Why are TERPERS supporting rape as a sexual strategy?

sivarias · 2018-02-14T17:55:28+00:00

Alright.

I really hate to say it, but agree with Jammerly on this one. While I'm not sure I agree with rape, I am convinced it's sexual assault.

Here's why. There are three responses to violent situations. Fight, Flight, or Freeze.

Everyone is saying she didn't fight back, so she must have wanted it. That ignores the other two responses, and is dumb. (FWIW I had to have this explained to me as well. It was a very interesting conversation about why affirmative consent is necessary, and to clear up misconceptions about it.)

Alright. At red pill we're all about evo-psych right? Let's dig into that. What do prey animals do when confronted by a predator? They freeze. Why is that? Predator's eyes have evolved to detect movement as it's highest priority. The freeze is to hope you've escaped noticed. But it also serves another purpose.

Look at videos of gazelle being eaten and just laying there. If you notice they just take it, hoping to minimize damage. Then when the predators get distracted, (usually by fighting amongst themselves), the gazelle is up and off again, and escapes.

Now re-reading the OP linked post. This dudes an alpha right? He lifts, he's channelling his inner Chad, probably masses 200-220 lbs easy. He's not some skinnyfat fucker.

Let's look at the chick. She's cute, not some landwhale ugo. Probably feminine, petite, otherwise he wouldn't have bothered to chase her. Let's put her at 120lbs, or we can even go up. Maybe she's a cute chubster at 5' 5" and 140lbs (mostly boobs).

Is there any doubt in any of our minds who's the predator and who's the prey?

They start getting into it. Hot and heavy. The limbic lizard hindbrain is sending all the happy signals. Then suddenly pain is registered. Lizard hindbrain was already firing because of sexy times. It has to interpret this new input. Maybe it's not sexy times. Maybe this is a predator prey scenario.

Shit. I'm half this dudes size. He's obviously a predator. Fight? He's already proven himself my physical superior and a violent streak. We have to avoid permanent damage and more pain. Can't break free then. Flee? He's on top and I've already proven I can't break free to run anyway? Shit. Freeze. Go limp. Blank out and mentally go somewhere else. This will be over soon and I can flee when he loses interest.

It's over. Monkey brain comes back. Not sure what the fuck just happened. The guy seems sweet, he's concerned about me. Maybe I imagined the terror. I'm not sure what happened but I'm scared and alone. Accept offered comfort.

Regarding sex the next morning, he did the perfect thing from an abusers how to guide for gas lighting and minimizing the gravity of the situation. No different then the gas lighting women do to us with regards to argument (if your in an ltr)

Regarding the orgasm. That doesn't mean shit. This isn't 18th century England. We've learned so much since then. If you haven't, go check the study that proves women have a sexual response to any sexual stimuli, regardless of orientation or even SPECIES. It's a defense mechanism, nothing more. Unless you also think men can't be raped because they wouldn't be able to maintain an erection?

PromCrom · 2018-02-14T07:06:45+00:00

That is a shocking post. He’s pleased with himself because he ‘thinks’ she had an orgasm - but at no point does he think ‘I am being rough here, maybe just a check of her face and a little question to see if she’s ok with it’?!

If this is how many RP guys think all women want sex (I’m assuming they do, because AWALT), they’re right in such a small percentage of women that it’s really fucking dangerous to assume she’s going to be into it. Louis C.K. - for all his questionable sex judgement - got it completely right with this bit Never assume a woman you barely know and haven’t discussed it with wants to be slapped, choked and otherwise demeaned. You’re asking for a rape allegation - and you are definitely a scummy human being for abusing your physical strength and the woman’s probable trust in you (if she went home with you, she trusts you not to attack her) by escalating into full on Dom mode without her being fully into it.

Go on a BDSM site and find women who legit want it like this - don’t spring it on some unsuspecting woman in the belief that your ‘Alpha’ Aggression will make her come like a freight train and be all heart-eyed at you after for being such a ‘Man’! You’re not a man with this behavior. And looking at it from a purely no-conscience RP perspective - you are looking at the very real possibility of a life-altering rape charge. Who wants that just so he can feel like an RP ‘Alpha’ for 20 minutes?

The responses are scary. Some RPers here have great points about helping guys to be healthier, stronger and therefore more attractive to women - but this is the misogynistic shit that gets them so many enemies. You can’t defend this to any reasonable person as acceptable behavior.

goatismycopilot · 2018-02-14T15:59:01+00:00

In this story the part that surprises me is that he noticed her crying and had a reaction to it. He could have easily been banging a corpse. Might make things easier next time.

Merger-Arbitrage · 2018-02-14T06:37:17+00:00

Like she's dissociated somehow, not really processing what's happening anymore. . . At this point I'm pretty happy with myself and I'm getting ready to tell her to get the fuck out. When I turn towards her I notice she's crying a little. Not sobbing or anything, just like these quiet tears running down her cheeks.

Drunk? Regretful? In pain from this dumbass hurting her? Some combination of all of that? We don't know for sure.

What is there to discuss here?

The only way you're going to prove that TRP/RP advocates this is if you can quote a majority of their senior members suggesting that Terps do what was described in the text. Now I don't think much of them, but I think they are a little better than that.

nemma88 · 2018-02-14T10:11:30+00:00

This is probably why they are so obsessed over rape allegations. Best to stick to straight sex with ONS or new FWBs you don't know. This is what happens when socially challenged read TRP, they take things too literally and too many derps with revenge fantasies enabling them.

LPT: Judge's don't like assault in sexual encounters unless you can prove it was all some pre spoken BDSM funnery (And they don't like it even then). This is probably how that guy has an order of having to notify the government when he plans on having sex (This does exist).

notworthmuch20xx · 2018-02-14T06:28:08+00:00

Advocating aggression during sex is an over the top response to being seen as weak. What they miss is that most women will want a man who is generally aggressive but will still give her a good time.

(This does not account for the few special individuals who want the man to have sex with them violently, and want him to do that without asking, which this strategy would actually be good for)

EmpyrrhicalData · 2018-02-14T06:38:42+00:00

At what point do we assume she had agency?

Also, fake news.

justhanging92 · 2018-02-14T07:55:49+00:00

With the logic the terps are giving in this thread, next we are going to hear that women want to be violently raped because that is the ultimate form of dominance and feminism brainwashed women into thinking this is a bad thing. Nothing wrong with sexual dominance but even he admits he took it too far and she entered a disassociated state.

LewisCross · 2018-02-14T15:29:35+00:00

Where's the "rape"?

If she isnt' saying "STOP I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS" or even just "STOP", then it's not rape.

Or perhaps you'd like the "affirmative consent" rule, where every thrust and touch requires express verbal approval. "Can I touch your left breast? Can I squeeze your nipple? Can I touch your right breast? Can I insert my penis into your vagina? Can I thrust? Is this thrust OK? Is this one? You doing OK? Can I thrust again? Is this thrust good? DOes this thrust feel OK? May I have your approval to continue thrusting?"

wageovsin · 2018-02-14T08:56:50+00:00

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Whisper · 2018-02-14T10:02:30+00:00

Oh, you mean the girl who slept in his arms all night and had sex with him again in the morning? That rape victim?

Once again, OP shows us that feminists also realize that women are children and have no agency.

incelchad · 2018-02-14T12:51:40+00:00

This is nowhere about rape. He was not enough vanilla and probably crossed boundaries, yes. But it doesn't look like her concern is about if she was raped or not, but more about the fact she's not comfortable with what she ENJOYED.

incelchad · 2018-02-14T18:56:38+00:00

Yep sounds like the typical TRP encounter. And they wonder why they have to hide their beliefs from women. lul

TheBookOfSeil · 2018-02-14T09:40:55+00:00

I don’t see any part of this where TRP is “advocating rape,” nor any part where the guy actually raped this woman. The sex that they had sounded nothing like she had expected it would be, using the details he listed, but I wouldn’t classify that as “rape,” unless the new rule is “All sex that is not ‘good sex’ is rape,” now. It was just bad sex.

As far as TRP goes, I think anyone who visits that sub is either:

1) A wannabe-douche man-let looking for tips

2) A typical douche who enjoys engaging “man talk.”

3) A casual browser who was interested in the post content

4) Someone who was too trigger-happy to allow a post they saw (such as this one) to exist without ranting about it to anyone they can.

the-4th-survivor · 2018-02-14T21:48:35+00:00

It seems like most of the people commenting here didn't read the rest of this guy's post. He said she stayed the night and cuddled with him and then they had sex again in the morning. That doesn't sound to me like something somebody would do if they felt they were raped or violated in some way. Most likely what happened is this girl felt like a slut because she'd gone home with a random guy she met at a bar and was now having raunchy sex with him. With her being a feminist as well she probably felt like a hypocrite for sleeping with some asshole alpha type guy who didn't give two shits about her. That's what I think happened here.

If she truly felt uncomfortable with the things he was doing then why didn't she vocalize that? It's not hard to say "please don't be so rough with me" if that's not what you're into. With all that said, I will say that it's a good idea to make sure the woman you're fucking is into rough sex. Don't just start digging your nails into her back, pulling her hair, biting her, etc. unless you know she likes it.

cholomite · 2018-02-14T18:11:05+00:00

My gf does stuff like this too. In the heat of the moment her primal urges take over and she will want me to choke, slap, call her names and get really rough, but when it's over her brain tries to process what just happened in the context of modern society and she gets weird feelings. She's never cried but she has definitely been like "what the fuck just happened. You still respect me, right?" At which point I just reassure her, same as the OP in the post did and everything is fine.

I know with 100% certainty that even though she feels funny afterwards, most women would prefer to be with a guy who really gets into it like that over a soft guy who would refuse out of "respect for her".

Uncommon_Sense_123 · 2018-02-14T12:45:05+00:00

This is why women need to stop with the ONS and get to know more about their partner and his sexual desires. Preferably sex should only be done in marriage, or second best in a very committed marriage.

This was not rape.

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VoidPill · 2018-02-17T02:21:42+00:00

As a terper that guy is just a straight up rapist or autistic or both.

alreadyredschool · 2018-02-14T16:48:28+00:00

You confuse cheering for comfort game with cheering for the sexual act.

WhiskersNT · 2018-02-14T17:47:27+00:00

On the facts presented this is most likely not rape

wigglyshark · 2018-02-14T20:18:15+00:00

I don't see where rape or even sexual assault happened in this FR. I don't see why women cannot use an adult-level of agency and say "STOP" or "I don't like this!", or at least try to pull away in scenarios like this if they are truly uncomfortable. A very small percentage of terrible men would ignore those kind of protests. If she had done those things, and he continued and/or escalated violence, then we would be discussing an actual crime.

I don't buy this rhetoric that men have to be mind readers or 100% accurate in perceiving and understanding whatever "body language" a woman decides is sufficient in delivering some kind of "signal".

newName543456 · 2018-02-14T23:51:39+00:00

Ha ha ha.

Grasping at straws much?

Now you will be looking at instances of consensual sex and casually redefine them as rape to suit your agenda?

Jammerly1 · 2018-02-14T18:46:45+00:00

Of course you leave out the important part.

The next morning she is horny as hell and I decide to reassert a positive association before she leaves by fucking her a little more gently this time.

Why are TERPERS supporting rape as a sexual strategy?

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Title	Why are TERPERS supporting rape as a sexual strategy?
Author	Jammerly1
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Date	February 14, 2018 6:24 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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