Why does the Blue Pill hate (unfortunate) virgin guys so much?

exit_sandman · 2015-05-19T19:38:51+00:00

Is it because most BP women are unable to understand the perspective of male virgins?

Yes.

Apart from that, it also doesn't compute with their just world-fallacy - if you are romantically unsuccessful, you must somehow deserve it.

throwawayobvvious123 · 2015-05-19T17:07:05+00:00

It's funny isn't it, blue pill is angry because red pill judges women by their sexual history, so to show how far above that they are, they... judge men by their sexual history.

But yeah like HSW said it's just a low hanging fruit shaming tactic. "You don't have any game" is basically what they're saying. Except they can't phrase it like that because then they'd have to open the door to the possibility there's a use for red pill.

rapunzelly · 2015-05-19T20:38:34+00:00

It is an unfortunately common insult in society. I don't think I've ever used it, and apologize for those in "my camp" who do.

autoNFA · 2015-05-19T21:31:45+00:00

To convince themselves that they live in a just world. They want to believe that any non-hideous person with a personality and worldview they deem acceptable will be able to get laid with other people of similar attractiveness. When a man challenges that narrative, they must either admit to themselves that some good men struggle to get laid or instead assume that the man has a despicable personality. Most choose the latter.

TRPACC · 2015-05-19T18:00:49+00:00

blue pill and red pill are both sexist and promote forms of traditionalism, the dispute is over which sexism is correct.

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PetticoatRuled · 2015-05-20T01:10:09+00:00

Can't speak for all blue pillers but I think nothing negative about virgin men.

Nazrath2112 · 2015-05-19T17:55:06+00:00

Women want men not boys, someone who has not been laid cannot be a man. It is pretty simple. Ask them how tall you need to be for them to date you if you really want to see how shallow they really are.

cuittler · 2015-05-19T16:59:12+00:00

I see no reason to hate or mock virgin men or women. I see no reason to hate or mock promiscuous men or women.

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AlephNeuter · 2015-05-20T19:37:33+00:00

Because it is assumed that virgin men are virgins for good reason, and all people, Blue Pill or not, are antipathetic towards the unlikeable.

mordanus · 2015-05-20T22:00:19+00:00

Because it is an easy way to prove that you are a low value male. This goes perfectly with red pill thought. One of the most attractive traits a man can have is preselection. If lots of other women want you then you must be worth wanting. If ,however, you are a virgin then that proves that no woman wants you and thus you aren't worth wanting. That's the mentality of women on this and you are seeing them clearly for how they really feel.

give_me_shinies · 2015-05-19T19:43:06+00:00

They do it b/c "virgin" is basically stand-in for "loser"; it doesn't mean they have a problem with actual virgins. Much like how "gay" is used as a stand-in for "lame" and someone using it doesn't necessarily mean they have a problem with homosexuals.

It's just an all-purpose general insult, a lot like how high-school girls will call any girl they don't like a "slut" regardless of her actual sexual experience/behaviour.

It's an excellent example of TBP/SJW hypocrisy. If you call them sluts or say their sub is gay, you're misogynist/homophobic but them hurling gendered sophomoric insults at men they dislike/disagree with is a-okay.

Ultramegasaurus · 2015-05-19T18:03:35+00:00

Are we talking about virgin shaming as a primitive ad hominem attack in feminist "argumentation" or as a proper bullying strategy against male individuals who are indeed virgins?

The first case is quickly explained by feminists' love for cheap ad hominem.

The second case is a result of extreme female entitlement to excellent men which reached a point where low-status men's mere existence offends them.

crimson-hound · 2015-05-19T17:34:14+00:00

I don't really frequent the blue pill ever.. But I've seen this mockery attitude IRL and on other reddit subs like /r/niceguys and /r/justneckbeardthings.

To me it seems like the same natural phenomena that causes "bullying" or "hazing".. A bunch of people who have done something (in this example, having sex, getting laid, or regular PUA ability) get together in a group and ostracize others for not having done that "thing" (or in this case, make fun of virgins or unlucky men with no game). It's similar to why some jocks at a high school might pick on a nerd. It gives the individual a reputation in the group if they prove to the group that they're a "brother" and demonstrate dominance over another individual. The reputation brings the individuals power of influence.

Why give, or work for up votes and down votes on reddit? Same reason.

cock_pussy_up · 2015-05-20T07:25:46+00:00

Its pretty funny, because they're basically calling on men to treat women as fuck toys and shaming them if they don't. You know, like the stuff you see on RP.

Just remember that a virgin man in his mid to late 20s can always have sex with 100 women later on. But a woman who started having sex at the age of 13, and slept with 100 men, can never erase all the baggage she's accumulated.

wiibiiz · 2015-05-19T18:44:01+00:00

I don't think blue pill hates sexually inexperienced men per se, they hate sexually inexperienced men who are myopic enough to take their experiences with women and extrapolate from that the whole of one gender's behavior. posts like https://archive.is/gGtPP#selection-1899.138-1899.221 this drive home the attitudes I'm talking about. This guy is 18, tops, and he's decided that based on his very little life experience with women that he's comfortable taking up an mindset that makes it difficult for him to see them as people. Also, the projection here is hilarious: "I feel suspicious everytime I come into contact with a girl my age now, like shes sizing me up, reading me, to figure out how best to manipulate me and get what she wants." Redpill is, by its own admission, all about sizing up/reading women and figuring out how to manipulate them to get what the redpiller wants (which is apparently honorable behavior in men, but disgusting behavior in women, because biotruths). I'll be honest, when I was this poster's age I was sexually inexperienced too. And yet, in spite of this I didn't hold women responsible for my behavior or unhappiness, and I managed to conduct my own personal quest for personal improvement and better dating without resorting to an ideology which seems to lead young, insecure men to the conclusion that women aren't intelligent enough to vote. I think this is why so many BPers have so little sympathy for the virgins of RP. It's because I could never, no matter depressed or horny or vindictive I felt, buy into an ideology which made it difficult for me to "look at (women) as people anymore", because I know too well that they are: from female friends, to family members, to community leaders and employers. This boy isn't a virgin because of bad luck or what have you: one of the very few things that the RP has gotten right is that with personal improvement you can make yourself more attractive. He's a virgin because in his willingness to buy into the RP he's already demonstrated the belief in the casual sexism upon which the entire movement is predicated: he's incapable of seeing women as worthwhile people, and yet he gets upset when they don't extend the same courtesy to him.

cherryblue12 · 2015-05-19T16:57:49+00:00

I'm so sorry you've been made to feel that way. Thats really unfair. Number of sexual partners, be it 0 or 50, does not dictate your value as a human being. And I for one hope you will contribute to as many discussions as you like!

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haircombsnightmare · 2015-05-19T22:51:36+00:00

It's usually said against redpill specifically. I don't think bluepillers in general would insult a guy just because he's a virgin. But again, I don't know every bluepiller. "Have ever of these guys ever been with a woman?" isn't truly an insult. You feel like it is because you are insecure about your virgin condition. I have honestly questioned myself if a lot of RP guys have ever been with a woman after some of the comments made about women... but my boyfriend is a virgin. shrugs

thatstonerbitch · 2015-05-20T14:39:57+00:00

I've never understood the virgin hate, I have almost a virgin fetish. So refreshing when I meet a virgin guy, makes me get vagina tingles.

VerticalSmileyCyrus · 2015-05-20T22:21:39+00:00

SRS responds:

sighs in exasperation

For heaven's sake, why the fuck do they even care that we might sometimes mock them for their sexual (in)experience?

http://np.reddit.com/r/TheBluePill/comments/36il1o/apparently_we_all_condone_shaming_people_for/crf7ztf

VermiciousKnidzz · 2015-05-19T17:33:11+00:00

i think it mostly comes from the idea that TRP is mostly guys who are frustrated over not being noticed by women.

even then, as much as i despise MRAs/TRPs, it pisses me the fuck off when TBP resorts to saying "theyre just a bunch of virgins" "neckbeards" etc etc. that level of superficial shaming is so undeniably anti-feminist and immature.

both sides are super immature, but TRP/MRAs 10x moreso imo. god i need to stop going on reddit.

2nice4friend · 2015-05-19T21:03:20+00:00

Fuck it, I'll bite.

I don't shame male virgins for being male virgins. I shame male virgins when they run their mouths and act like experts on sex and relationships when its obvious they have no experience in either.

It's one thing to suffer from poor social skills and face poor odds at finding a mate. It's another to act like a classic internet psuedo-intellectual and try to hyper-rationalize your failures as a dysfunction of society that fuels your socio-political worldview.

So yeah, I won't be mean to a male virgin as long as he's not blatantly an asshole about it.

HappilySingleWoman · 2015-05-19T16:54:08+00:00

It's a silly shaming tactic . They don't actually hate virgins , their point is that MRAs don't know enough about women (something I don't believe is true).

People say this kind of things all the time. I'm a woman and I had a guy tell me the other day "You look sad , maybe you don't have enough sex" , lol.

SpaceWhiskey · 2015-05-19T21:23:43+00:00

Whenever I see someone use virginity as an insult on TBP, there is usually someone right behind to call them out on it. Not always, but I'd say more often than not. Your post was likely removed because TBP isn't for questions from "the outside" it's a circlejerk against TRP, and the nature of your post doesn't apply to what most people go there for. The thread you linked about "omg have these guys ever been with a woman" is about the larger Mad Max circlejerk/bruhaha taking place online right now, not about how lame feminists think virgins are. You're right though, it's a low blow to call someone's virginity into question, and it is the same as slutshaming.

videogamesfan · 2015-05-21T18:50:46+00:00

Im dont hate male virgins, i have male friends who are virgins, i dont think that bluepill hate male virgins. First of all you shoulf know than bluepill is a sub for laughing about redpill , they (i am a bluepill but i dont put "we" because i never have said anything against virgins)dont want to critic virgins, they only think that terper dont like be virgins and they say that terpers are virgins for laughing about terpers.

hatewave · 2015-05-19T17:09:10+00:00

You make us feel bad for having too much sex, we make you feel bad for having too little sex. I'm guessing most of us aren't all that bothered by it - some of us might find your virginity an exciting challenge provided you were otherwise a nice person. I would. We just know it hurts men in general to speculate on their lack of sexual experience. We know where to punch back when some random asshole says we're worthless for having a sexual appetite.

Will it lead us all toward world peace? No, probably not.

Here's something: why don't we get to be angry at the ubiquitous amount of shaming directed at our kind? Why can't we hit back?

strongalfalfa · 2015-05-19T18:55:23+00:00

I'm really sorry that you feel bad about this. No man or woman should be disrespected because of their sexual experience/lack of experience. There's nothing wrong with virgin men, promisucous men, promiscuous women, or virgin women. Just don't have an entitled mindset and you'll be fine. Being a virgin doesn't mean that you "deserve" to have sex anymore than the guy with the 50 partners. At the end of the day, sex is an act committed by two consenting parties.

That said, I don't hate you. I don't think people should mock you.

ThisSiteIsDumbAndBad · 2015-05-19T17:24:44+00:00

Virginity has nothing to do with it.

I just don't like assholes.

luridlurker · 2015-05-19T19:32:12+00:00

If you go around claiming to know The Secret but then spout utter nonsense, you deserve to be mocked.

For example, if I say I am a TOP EXPERT on cars, and I know better than most people how to keep a car running... but then I say that you should never ever change your oil...ever...it's pretty clear I'm an asshat who has very very little experience with actual machinery, let alone car engines...right? And if I claimed I worked on 100 car engines in the past year, you're going to assume (rightly) that I probably actually broke those engines. I'd deserve to be mocked for spouting such nonsense and claiming to be an expert.

But if I said, "Hey, I don't know much about cars...maybe someday I'll learn more." or "I want to learn more about cars"... or "I don't give a shit about cars" there's no reason to mock me. Period. It's how I'm living my life right now.

If you haven't had sex yet, cool! If you want to have sex yet, but haven't had the opportunity, cool! If you haven't had a chance to have a lot of sex? That's all fine. Everyone has their unique situation and how much sex you have had, or haven't had doesn't mean much about you as a person. The act of sex doesn't make you a better person or a worse person.

But tell me all women like it rough? That all women love to get jack-hammered? That all women just love getting their cervix hit? That "just read the Sex God method and orgasms will pour out of her ears"!? I'm going to assume you're an asshat, who hasn't had that much experience, who deserve to be mocked.

ECoast_Man · 2015-05-20T11:51:35+00:00

I am a guy leaning more towards the blue pill on most aspects, but TBP as a community is very hateful, atleast to me.

I extend the warm hand of brotherhood my friend. Time to lean the other way.

I don't see any success stories over at the TBP, just a bunch of squawking 'strong, independent women' taking about how their BFs are 'totally' cool and hawt and feminist, and then there is a bunch of manlets.

You should come on over and learn to get that confidence you need, then cuckold one of those BP independent women (they tend to all be bisexual, probably because they're fucked in the head) or one of those manlets, just for shits.

GridReXX · 2015-05-20T15:28:57+00:00

Ofc your husband thinks all stupid guys are virgins? Nice.

I'm sorry you've had a negative experience on Reddit.

But when it comes to "virgin shaming," I've always experienced it as a thing guys do to other guys.

myfriendscantknow · 2015-05-19T18:11:28+00:00

So in general, I see virgin shaming very commonly to TBP even more than slutshaming on TRP.

I haven't really been around in a long while, but I find this impossible to believe.

Virgin shaming is wrong. It's a product of the same sexism that leads to slut-shaming, and smart, compassionate people who put in the thought will realize that. Feminists who deserve the title will avoid it.

/r/TheBluePill is not a feminist subreddit. /r/TheBluePill is not trying to better the world. /r/TheBluePill is pretty much exactly the same as /r/cringepics or /r/TumblrInAction, its sole purpose is to make fun of people. Not to make the world a better place, but because it's funny. As such, it's entirely expected that people in there will fall into typical human, normal culture foibles.

I'm a feminist, so I don't virgin shame or attack masculinity. But I can't control what people in /r/TheBluePill do. I like the sub because I like making fun of /r/TheRedPill. Is that good of me? Not particularly, but I'm not a saint. For what it's worth, both virgin shaming and slut shaming are by no means exclusive to TRP and TBP, they both pervade our culture and are something to look out for. Slut shaming is also by no means the worst thing TRP does imo.

pandorarosie · 2015-05-19T18:01:35+00:00

We don't hate. We just can't help. We can't force women to pair bond with them...just like we can't force them to pair bond with women :)

backslashbunny · 2015-05-19T19:24:34+00:00

I'll just re-post my original response to you.

The question, have these people ever even BEEN around <x>, is an expression. It is NOT limited to sexuality. It is used in ANY context in which a group of experts (or more experienced) expresses contempt for another group that has greatly limited/reduced experience/contact and yet professes knowledge. If this was a tax forum full of tax agents, and there was another forum full of English majors that kept trying to give everyone absurd advice like "oh don't worry all you need to fill in your tax return is five leaves, a cup of flour, and some butter," the tax forum would be like "oh my god have these guys ever even SEEN a tax return?"

Since TRPs are really gung-ho about their whole "don't ask the fish how to be caught," and dislike female opinion even in things ABOUT women, we laugh at their pathetic equivalent of "oh yeah we're 99.999% white and we WANT to stay white but we totally understand all black people and black culture," or their silly "I majored in underwater basket weaving and I hate all business and accounting majors but here let me show you how to do journal entries."

Title	Why does the Blue Pill hate (unfortunate) virgin guys so much?
Author	throwawayobvvious123
Upvotes	36
Comments	284
Date	May 19, 2015 4:50 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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