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[–]Change2222 45 points46 points47 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
These results aren’t abnormal. Guys shitting on you are either skating on their height and/or looks and are oblivious to it, or they’re hunting in the pacific ocean in National Geographic harpooning whales and pedaling them off as 10s. You should record your audio in set.
[–]Tige-rbalm 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
LOL underrated whales comment
[–]mcgradydunk163 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Bro huge respect for your hustle and bring the light to how important of the volume. Believe you reach the point of not taking each approach seriously and you can just take action right away.
I still at the point of jut passing AA ( average approach 3-4 girls / day), what is your advice of get pass the initial “ wanting it to work in a prefect way” to the massive action phrase ?
Love your post and nothing speak louder than solid action
[–]ShiftReasonable4066 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I remember doing the AA. Asking for the time. Quick compliment drills etc... It was extremely tough. I gave up several times. It didn't help that I was fed PUA material either. It all came down to being a numbers game. And rejection is inevitable. How successful you want to be comes down to how much rejection youre willing to muster in a day
I recommend mike mehlmans website. I found him weeks ago. His posts will help you and its not bs. If you liked this experiment, you'll love his work
Goodluck brother whatever path you choose
[–]poplin01 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Hey, what are you basing your 7/10 SMV on, do you have a picture of yourself? i’m curious
[–]ShiftReasonable4066 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
Face, body, style. Highschool smv if you wanna look at it that way(dated 6s 7s 8s)
You can be slightly below average in the face department. But with leaner athletic built body and a very fresh style. Youd be a 8/10. An actual 9 of a guy wouldnt be approaching girls. He most likely has a job as a model or is an instagram sensation. Not hard to compete with the other remaining guys
Most common guys dont care about their appearance. And if they do, they heavily lack the other departments. Majority of guys can be at least a 7. No such guy is too repulsive
Blocked pics due to privacy reasons
[–]poplin01 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Fair, but there is a high amount of disparity between the way you look and the way other people think you look. Qoves went into some detailed studies on this in a video coincidentally called “EVERYONE can't be a '7/10'...can they?!”.
The reason I bring this up is because if you are a true 7/10 ( using r/truerateme chart for reference ) you would be attractive enough to be a high street/retail model. With pickup, especially short pick ups, this is the biggest factor at play. You should have way higher amounts of numbers if you are this attractive otherwise there is something seriously wrong with your game.
[–]ShiftReasonable4066 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You just know these type of smv things through personal experience. Which is basically a reflection on how people have always viewed you
And theres really no such thing as game. I remember having sick game after many products and hours invested in the seduction community. And when i finally unlearned everything i started getting dates
My kid brother got his first date at his 78 approach. And i didnt tell him anything other than im doing an experiment but its a numbers game
He accomplished more in a week than any guy here doing "game." Thats exactly why im against pua stuff. Shits stupid
[–]poplin01 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Probably, game is the wrong word. But if you are truly a 7/10 there has to be something wrong with with your social calibration. There’s a lot of factors at play here, but 7/10s avg 20% success rate in getting numbers.
[–]Rastaman143 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This isn’t bad at all, people keep thinking that your stats will stay the same forever. No you’ll get better and better and your ratio will get better, people don’t seem to understand to get your game real tight you have to put in lots of approaches.
[–]kiramdahanett 27 points28 points29 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
i'm sure there'll be guys here telling you had a bad approach to lay ratio or your numbers are very bad but i'm telling you , these people haven't even been seen doing one lifetime approach , they don't even hit the streets . just downgrading other men's results..
anyway , how long did it take you to complete 500 ? & was it all daygame ?
i'm shooting for 30-50 daily approaches normally around 3-6 pm , hopefully i can complete 50 in 2> hours . if i can make 500 in 10 days i'll be more than happy.
[–]ShiftReasonable4066 25 points26 points27 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yes. They're in denial. And wont accept to swallow the pill. It took me about a year. I did it sporadically. My record of approach was 73 in a whole morning and day. Was exhausted in the evening
[–]GripIsEverything 4 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
Dude when did you start approaching? I'm 25 atm and planning to start this too. Going to college, so excited.
[–]ShiftReasonable4066 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
When i was in my early 20s. I got 3 dates per each year. It was a light hobby id mess with from time to time
[–]Thin_Protection5616 31 points32 points33 points 4 years ago (27 children) | Copy Link
40 second interactions are probably why your flake rate is so high.
I've tried that method and gotten similar results. Go for slightly longer interactions in the 2-10 minute range and go for instadates if you can.
[–]rhofire 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Go for slightly longer interactions in the 2-10 minute range and go for instadates if you can.
There's no benefit to longer interactions. If anything, you'll talk yourself out of a good situation. It's not about talking. It's about making moves.
[–]ShiftReasonable4066 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Guys are thick and refuse to listen. Keep your conversations short. Longer doesnt create interest. Its a myth. Been there, done that
Girls interest level is well before you speak
[–]ResponsibilityKey427 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
I don’t think extending a convo by 1:30mins will get her to not flake.
Cold approaching is ineffective because of the car salesman vibe. There is no history between the parties. And one side is asking for something from the other without knowing anything of that person’s status or what they seek.
At least on online dating the girls are seeking something and most likely not in a relationship.
Sure you will get bots, attention seekers, hustlers. But those only make a small percentage of the women.
But there is a general consensus that the women are looking for a man. Whether that’s a hookup or a relationshop
[–]Thin_Protection5616 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
Stop doing direct approaches. It's a newbie way that has a huge flake rate. Indirect and situational approaches are less likely to come off as saleman like
[–]ShiftReasonable4066 23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago* (18 children) | Copy Link
It doesn't matter. Indirect/situational/direct equally got me the same numbers
You become a salesman as soon as she finally knows youve approached her out of interest. You cant pander to surroundings forever, you will have to get to the point
Its already blatantly obvious why a guy goes up to a girl; to hit on her
[–]JayinHK 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Facts I've gone up to women with genuine questions and they thought I was hitting on them. Had 0 interest in em but they were really flattered lol
[–]Daunt02 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Getting numbers is pointless if nothing 95% of them lead nowhere.
[–]ShiftReasonable4066 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Most numbers anywhere are pointless. Getting numbers is the easy part. In cold approach the majority of numbers will flake. Theres nothing you can do about it. Its got to be accepted. 110% girls flake
[–]Daunt02 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
That's why social circle game and screening chicks before getting numbers raises success rates 80% at least. I haven't had a girl flake in a while because I take the time to screen well. Also, when chicks ask for your number, it's possible if you get them hooked, they also end up in lays 50%+.
If you're just getting experience this is cool but it sounds like you're not actually building any relationships. Just touch and go. That makes flakes almost a guarantee.
[–]Hiddenaccount1423 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
That's why social circle game and screening chicks before getting numbers raises success rates 80% at least.
Can you talk a bit about this? Realistically, /u/ShiftReasonable4066 will get a shit ton more rejections, but isn't it likely that he'd get or have the potential for more lays(at least with new people) through his cold approaching than you would solely relying on social circle?
[–]Daunt02 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
It's just been my experience especially after doing this for 10+ years and 80-100 lays the sparkle of fucking a random woman kind of fades and fwb, plates and living a fulfilling life matters a lot more.
Who cares if you fuck some random girl when hundreds ignore you regularly. Choose wisely, become the prize, and women will chase you if you're of value.
I have circles of friends that vouch women for me because they know I'm single and down. When you actually have a functional social circle you gain status automatically and have longer more fulfilling relationships. This takes time. Getting hundreds of numbers and flakes is how you start but if you're still doing it after years your still at the beginning.
[–]Hiddenaccount1423 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
It's just been my experience especially after doing this for 10+ years and 80-100 lays the sparkle of fucking a random woman kind of fades and fwb, plates and living a fulfilling life matters a lot more. Who cares if you fuck some random girl when hundreds ignore you regularly. Choose wisely, become the prize, and women will chase you if you're of value.
I get what you're saying, I guess it just depends on what your goals are. I imagine most people on these subreddits are just looking for the validation of being able to pickup a random girl and get laid. So neither you or him are wrong I think.
I guess realistically, achieving this social circle would be harder than what a lot of people here recommend for general seduction stuff. Not many people can create one, be interesting enough to hold one, or deal with the amount of upkeep. I'd also be curious how that works as you get older and a lot of your social circle ages up, gets married, moves, etc. and you can no longer rely on it.
Would be very interested to hear your thoughts.
[–]Daunt022 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Totally, thank you for the honest response.
There's nothing wrong with wanting to get laid. I've always found more satisfaction having women in my life that are dtf for years rather than one or two times. I have 3 fwbs in my city, multiple friends that I end up fucking a few times per year and around four women that I travel to or they travel to me when I'm in town (New York, Florida, and Georgia). Even when I got into somewhat long term relationships and didn't see any of them for a year they were still down when I was single again. I haven't asked for more than two girls number in at least a year. True abundance mentality.
I also don't like to fuck women that I don't have at least some emotional connection with so trying to stack lays is kind of pointless to me now. The OP isn't wrong and I'm not necessarily right. I just feel that when you're approaching hundreds of women and hardly any of them are attempting to be around you then you need to switch up your game. That's hours of wasted time unless you really don't give a fuck and you're having fun. I'm getting older so chasing pussy just doesn't sit right with me. Plus, social proof is super important to making new women put in the work for you. If you have multiple women talking about your dick, and they do if you lay pipe, you don't have to cold approach anymore. I feel that cold approach is important to break down your comfort zone but just becomes pointless when you're in mid-tier abundance.
I'm no Chad or super stud either and I don't fuck most girls I talk to. A lot of women aren't worth fucking to be honest. Being selective keeps your rotation solid and makes for a better life.
I typically do "warm" approaches when I'm out though. If a woman is near me I just start talking. I try not to take too many steps to chat up a woman unless there are obvious choosing signals. It just makes the game easier in my opinion.
Nobody is wrong, I'm just older and lazy and it works for me.
[–]Hiddenaccount14232 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Yea, it makes sense. Honestly, something that I'd probably shoot for long term as well. I imagine it also helps a bit in regards to safety. Less likely to catch something I imagine.
I guess my question would then be how does an average joe build that social proof? For instance, I'm a introverted short black dude that works IT. I don't work as a Promotor, Bartender, DJ, Club owner or anything, ya know? And IT is full of other introverted nerdy dudes, so I'm kinda in a awkward spot to achieve something similar.
You gotta get out there and befriend solid dudes and women that are in larger quality circles in your city. Befriend some rich people with connections. I'm a 5'9 black guy in IT also but I am also a DJ and event organizer of over 10 years so I've built my circle for years. You gotta get out there. Don't undervalue having solid female friends. Don't get friendzoned but initiate friendzones to women that you're not the most sexually compatible with but have large circles of friends.
It could be worthwhile getting into the IT scene in your city more and building a public figure identity that you can leverage for a larger group circle. It'll expand your options.
What other hobbies do you have that you could leverage? I started doing comedy and there's circles of women that are down for nerdy black guys. Gotta get out of your comfort zone. See what random events are in your city and expand your circle. It takes work and years but it's worth it. It stops being a crapshoot and more of a landscape that you can walk through to add your social circle.
When you get to a place where you have options you don't have to really cold approach anymore.
Guess I need to start figuring out how to become a DJ and event organizer, lol.
My hobbies, when I'm not working aren't as exciting. Honestly slacking a bit on them. Include: Travel, Bachata/dancing, Rollerskating(think SkateLyfe TV), picking up Spanish, Motorcycle, festival here and there and.. that's about it generally.
[–]Daunt021 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Dude dancing, rollerskating, motorcycles and festivals are great networks to start working with. Just make sure to do it because yoy love it and start networking.
Guess so. Just got learn/get good at networking and get over the fear of messing things up. I don't want to end up doing something that would make it awkward to enjoy the hobby from then on out.
Dude... fuck people. It comes with age but for real nobody is thinking about you. I use to feel the same then I began purposely doing weird embarrassing shit for immersion therapy in the game. Nobody cares man. Limiting yourself because of a non-existent maybe is not living. And truth be told, I regularly "fuck up" with women but I own my life and really don't give a damn and they don't either.
For real tho. Fuck people. Who cares what they think unless they're paying you money.
[–]Thin_Protection5616 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Numbers is the goal?
[–]ResponsibilityKey427 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly, it puts you in the chaser role.
She has power over you unless you are significantly more attractive than her.
[–]TheLegendofMikeHawk 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Church.
[+]ShiftReasonable4066 -8 points-7 points-6 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
40 seconds got me most of my dates. Especially when I was an amateur. Debunked it. I can easily do +30 minutes of conversation. Gets you nowhere everytime
Sorry to disappoint but i ain't no noob dude. I'm more than capable of being very social with lengthy conversation. I don't do it for a reason. If I do, its because I'm entertaining myself. That just lies i used to believe
[–]Thin_Protection5616 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Ok, I'm just telling you my experience trying to do shotgun style mass approaches and short interactions.
Led to a lot of social media closes and very few dates.
In my experience, as I originally said, 2-10 minutes is optimum if I want to see the girl again and can't do an instadate.
[–]ShiftReasonable4066 -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
If you read the post it is mentioned that I also interacted for 10 minutes
Instead it can even be re-worded, "10 minutes interactions are probably why my flake rate is so high." Which is true
Dunno why you interpret only what you wanna believe. Its clearly mentioned up there. You just happened to pick the other end out of ur convenience
[–]Rich-Anteater-9468 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The more you game the more you realize the ghost rate is the same no matter how long your interactions. It's not worth going longer than 30-60s for the convo before number close.
[–]dheidjdedidbe 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Dang those are some solid results. I tried a 250 approach run and got 0 results
[–]ShiftReasonable4066 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
It's just luck dude. I had 2 dates within a first 100 approaches. Then it took me almost 200 approaches of straight rejection before another date. I almost gave up. It all balances out in the macro
Once got 9 numbers per 100. Then later 20 numbers per next 100. It fluctuates. Its not a repudiation of you. Just luck
9/100 + 20/100 =29/200
Numbers game: 15=100, 30=200
Yup. It checks out. It all balances out. Either you have a horrible run and finish strong. Or have a great run and barely cross the finish line
[–]Andetag 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Same
[–]lovesports2100 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
So you approached 500 women and only 6 dates?
[–]ShiftReasonable4066 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yep. 50-150 approaches per date. Keeping fluctuation in mind. 100 approaches is the average sum
If you get a date in 30 approaches, cool! The next date is within 170 rejections. ~200 approaches =2 dates
I can go to the gym and within x amount of rejection finally get a date. After collecting x amount of numbers. Done and tested it. So can you
[–]Keezymac34 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The workers dont mind you asking gurls out at the gym
[–]ShiftReasonable4066 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I didnt care. It was for the experiment. Most of these gyms were all a chain of the same gym. Where my membership was valid for all of them
I always thought there was always a risk getting told something from workers anywhere i went. So it can happen. And if it does... its gonna happen regardless. So it makes no difference if youre scared
[–]Beginning-Ad-8041 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Op good job on numbers but in my experience and we have similar SMV I can usually get a lay on about 1 in 40 approaches, are you doing all of these behaviors I am going to list:
speaking from your diaphragm, and loudly or quietly (As in NOT from your throat)
holding eye contact slightly longer than her, looking away after she does, while having good intent, ie. You feel the electric urge of being turned on wanting to fuck her (not just logically liking her)
Flirting
Having standards or dealbreakers (ie. If she has a drug addiction you are out) and being willing to walk away from her
trying to lead her/your place or to a place and get her to a place where sex could reasonably happen (This is the most important one, 2nd place goes to intentful eye contact)
I went to a bootcamp and I’m eh at game but these things they showed me skyrocketed my numbers, also I advise shooting for 2-10 min convos in daygame, she won’t know who you are with only 40 seconds of talk
[–]ShiftReasonable4066 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Its mentioned that ive talked for 10 minutes. Its also mentioned that ive already previously gotten many dates out of it and hooked up with some
I'm past the beginner phase. I could've easily lied and said I got laid every 40 approaches. I have a lot of proof for it. But thats not reality, nor am I like that. This is to help beginners. Its not of my benefit
Guys with such results is just male embellishment. It never comes from a place of humility. They lie all the time. I know how to get dates & hooks ups consistently, this experiment wasnt for me. Its for you guys
I dont advocate unrealistic statistics. Cuz it's all lies. This is to help guys, not to feed more bs results with tactics
[–]Beginning-Ad-8041 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
How about you actually try these rather than just write them off, if you think they are too much of a commitment try the speaking from diaphragm one, it takes 20 mins to get down, if you currently do it then stop it and watch what happens
You clearly have the aptitude, you could do a 1,000,000 sets it does not matter, these behaviors come from coaches out of Vegas that have been doing game for 10 years, work smarter not harder, if you are taking more than 70 sets to get laid consistently then get a coach b/c you are doing something wrong
These are just collecting numbers into dates. Which can be harder than getting laid
Theres a reason guys go for instadates instead of a day2 dates. Cuz theyre more likely to get laid that way
Legit players arent collecting numbers. And the best of the best arent wasting time conversating either. Theyre looking for dtf girls. I can go to vegas and literally screen/filter 100 girls in less than an hour and get laid. By being very aggressive and physical
Why!? Because its a numbers game, and the volume is certainly there. Youre looking for girls dtf if youre truly trying to get laid. They are out there, you dont have to convince girls of anything. Conversatings just a waste of time. Been there, done that
And all that has absolutely nothing to do with this post. Thanks for commenting
[–]NattyGainsReaper 4 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
One thing I noticed is that in your places used, you don’t mention parties, bars or nightclubs
You mentioned more day to day, usual errands kind of places, and that’s ok, but I’ve approached WAY LESS girls than 500 (gotta respect u for that, takes balls), but still gotten more action, doing my approaches in bars and nightclubs, those are social settings and people are there to meet people and be social
Absolutely nothing wrong with daygame, I want to implement it in my routine, but I don’t think you’re making the most of game and approaching if you’re not using these places
[–]ShiftReasonable4066 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes. These arent socially settings. Its out of the norm to be doing what im doing. Parties, bars, clubs, WAAAAY much higher chances. I'll put it up there. Thx
[–]2758egli 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
So in your experience, was the 500 approaches worth it? I’ve always had the idea that cold approach trumps all but I’ve never tried it properly yet
[–]ShiftReasonable4066 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
It gives me a piece of mind on how many approaches and how many numbers a beginner needs till a proper date happens with a hot chick. It definitely has it pro's and its con's. If anything I'm more confident and my independence from dating girls has drastically increased
In my subjective opinion. Not too worth it but it is an eventual guarantee if you do the time. Other guys might love the grind and I can see why they get addicted to it
[–]alexmaycovid 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah some guys forget that you approached hot girls. But for some guys an average girl is enough.
[–]Kedrith 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I honestly cant fathom how can you menage your mental sanity after that much fails (dont get me wrong, it's a compliment). I go on ruminating mode and self deprecation if i flake with a couple of girls the same night.
[–]2758egli 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Interesting. I’m guessin though it gave you benefits that you can’t really tangibly understand like confidence, being able to carry on a conversation, improvements in your body language and being able to take rejection….which I’m sure all carry over to other domains of your life
[–]PimpHandsStrong1 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Bravo. You inspire me. Instead of over rotating on theory, you are out there putting up numbers on the board.
Dates or no dates, I believe the best result from this experiment is the increased confidence and independence that you gained from your experience.
I’m coming out of a divorce after 10 years of marriage, so I’m just starting to get my legs beneath me with dating again. I struggle with approach anxiety, so your post brings me comfort in knowing that is truly just a numbers game and nothing more.
Seriously, thank you.
[–]AceCoE 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Cool stuff. Your ratios are definitely rough, but they would be better simply by going to those social environments. Cold approaches in everyday places is just plain hard, people are in a rush all the time.
Do you think you kind of half-assed alot of those approaches just to reach a high quantity?
[–]ShiftReasonable4066 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I did it only when I could make the time for it. Its why it took me a year to do. So I was in no rush when interacting with girls. They weren't going anywhere. I intentionally made nearly all interactions identical and always was closing them. 99% for the purpose of the experiment
When I stated it doesnt matter how long you interact with her and whether she seems very interested is because in the past girls have flaked to my shock. I learned early on that nothings a guarantee until she physically appears at the date. Her receptiveness on the surface means nothing. Unless she flat out ignores you or is giving you red flags, leave. "Cool, have a good day."
Cold approach is mostly about quantity than quality. Its better to even dumb yourself down when talking to girls
[–]AceCoE 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh gotcha. For fleeting day-time approaches I agree quantity is definitely huge.
But in special situations had more than a few girls who warmed up and eventually gained attraction over very long periods of time. FWIW, it's happened mostly in college classes, girls who didn't show attraction initially but did after later interactions with days/weeks or even months between. Usually because I took a different approach or something just clicked in our interaction down the line.
It's gotten me 2 lays in about 8 months and maybe a dozen numbers, but seems good considering the limited time we interact in class. But totally different scenario, I'll admit.
[–]cowarrior1 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This post is a realistic approach result for this sub.
[–]AgileDoughnut555 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Great hustle. Don’t settle for that batting average though. You can do a ton better with some tweaks. You can easily get up to a 10% date rate.
Ditch the Nike shoes. I love Nike’s, but never wear them for pick up. That was impressive to your HS buddies, but won’t be to most chicks. Get a nice pair of real shoes. Somewhere between casual sneakers and business. Women pay attention to details like that. Also wearing a casual dress shirt makes a big difference too. You want to have a unique style, and not someone that worships a brand. There is a lot of guidance out there on how to dress better. Take some time to study that too. I’m guessing that this change alone will double or triple your average. You’ll feel a lot more confident too, which will improve your batting average more so.
Your points valid. But i guess its confidence i can pick up girls in a white t shirt, blue jeans, and sneakers any day of the week with minimal effort. Anyone can, i aint special
Well put
[–]blackopsplayer5 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
idk seems kinda sus. Are you selling something? because you dissed rsd and pickup coaches. I don’t think they’re terrible they definitely would help some guys
but nice job having the proactive ness and energy to do that much work
[–]rmbarnes 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Those stats sound about right for a beginner who isn't only approaching girls less physically attractive than himself (If you have good looks + physique + are well over 6ft and approaching 7s that's easy mode).
I know a guy who went on to become an internationally renowned daygame coach (he's legit, not full of BS). I think these stats are similar to his in his first year. After a few years of obsessively hard work on his game he got approach:lay ratio down to about 25:1, so huge improvement is possible.
It's also worth noting the experienced guys gain a "6th sense" in terms of knowing which girls will be most amenable to an approach just by looking at them. This massively increases their ratio.
[–]Main-Vanilla8378 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Great work
[–]ResponsibilityKey427 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
Ok this is just further proof that cold approaching is ineffective af.
I also took away that initial interest doesn’t mean ish which is true.
Some women are just friendly and nice ppl that won’t outright reject you.
PUA “tactics” also are ineffective and don’t rly make sense if you think about it.
You either do it for her or you don’t. No amount of “game” will make you SEXUALLY attractive to her.
“Game” is rly just not fucking up what you have (her attraction to you)
Thx for the input, my OLD stats are like 5 hookups for every 30 matches. Much better results and something I’ll always recommend over cold approach.
[–]Rich-Anteater-9468 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
5 hookups for every 30 matches is nuts that is absolutely top .1% on OLD. Meanwhile I can barely get a match a week. I have picked up more numbers from approach in the past month than I have OLD in many months. Cold approach IS effective. But you have to enjoy the rejection that comes with it. The fact you are whining about results tells us it's not for you. I embrace my rejections and they only make me stronger for the next approach. I enjoy getting rejected. I know, the average brain can not possible understand such a seemingly strage perspective. But you need to be approaching dozens a day for 3-6+ months before finally getting multiple women on rotation. There are guys who have done it. It's not impossible.
[–]zxblood123 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Any tips to start off?
Spoken like a champ
[–]ShiftReasonable4066 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link
Cold approach is such a waste of time 😂 it is up to people to decide that upon for themselves tho. Thats the purpose of this. To cold approach or not to cold approach. But these are definitely your odds starting. And hopefully this puts an end to all the daygame lies they were fed
[–]Cormagnon 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
If cold approaching is a waste of time and online dating is a waste of time then what is there to do
[–]ShiftReasonable4066 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I ask myself that everyday 😔
[–]vroomvroomski 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Meet girls naturally at parties, get introduced to them, flirt, escalate, date, fuck, marry, have kids, grow old, die
[–]Cormagnon 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wdym get introduced to them
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[–]vroomvroomski 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Ur going to some lame ass parties then if u can only find Becky's.
I guess you do need a strong social circle so you can get invited to the best parties, but there are a shit ton of options and you can shoot your shot to multiple girls at once.
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[–]vroomvroomski 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I am talking about house parties / frat parties but good ones
Just read it. Youre statistics are very accurate. If you keep going at 500 you'll see the same results as me. They're already very similar. 50 approaches isnt likely for a date. +-100 is
PUA guys just wanna lie to you. Theyve never really cold approach. They just advise you to fix your game, which doesn't really exist
[–]lordbelua 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Your statistics prove that attracting women needs looks, status and money. Which no amount of game can ever replace, where game is the very foundation of this subreddit. Makes me wonder if having game is really worth it.
[–]AceCoE 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You're thinking too much of the ideal situation: being some kind of chad that is attracting multiple gorgeous women. Game (which is really just social skills) is a huge help for anyone. I've lost count how many guys I've met with girlfriends who are more attractive than them. I'm talking overweight, average looking guys too. I also am friends with those typical "chads" and seen them get rejected by average chicks. It's not all about looks and status for 100% of women.
[–]Rich-Anteater-9468 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Game is worth it. LMS does not matter nearly as much as you think. You need to be approaching dozens a day for results. This goes for any guy.
I know this because girls will reject me without even looking at me. You could be Channing Tatum himself for all the girl knows, but they don't care.
[–]WanyCaleb 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You can attract them with all that but, it's game that gets you laid/relationship/fwb.
[–]ShortStuffV2 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If game is irrelevant, how do I consistently throw my interactions with initially interested women?
Sounds like you’re suffering from confirmation bias. If you don’t engage women at all, you certainly won’t fuck them (for free).
Just find an approach that suits you and be consistent in its application.
[–]willgo-waggins 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So first WAY to fucking sterile and scientific here. Y’all fail because you are making this into some kind of fucking computer program and forgetting that you are dealing with humans.
And guys definition of what a nine or ten is here are totally whacked out.
Instagram “models” (read hookers)?
Celebrities?
Porn stars?
Lmfao!!! Try great looking, fit and nicely built (depending on your preference - I like athletic petite no matter the height) but then the factors that push it up to that range are - personality, self reliance (ie - does she have a good job/career and her own means not counting in me to support), and what kind of interest she has in me.
I’ve met a lot of 9 and 10 looks girls in my life. And when they fail in those things they immediately don’t loo so good and drop to low value in my opinion. But then I’m a 6’3” fit white fit with money. So I don’t get all googly eyed about worthless “celebrity” types. They aren’t even real to me.
[–]GripIsEverything1 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Thanks for sharing these convos.
[–]NoDatabase15520 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You said you had consumed PUA material and then you threw it all away. You didn't erase it from your mind. That stuff has affected your behavior. So you can't completely deny their helpfulness.
Cold approach is like a mock interview for a job. You can't measure its success rate by how many jobs you don't get. It's practice. The purpose is to gain a lot of social experience with a lot of different women, and deal with the rejection. You already know how to talk to women, so yeah.. it was a waste of time for you. Cold approach is a lot more valuable for someone that by chance interacts with 1 woman a month.
[–]CocoBabeNYC -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
Lol, this is weird and pathetic man. Think about it. Do you think normal men who get laid a lot have to resort to approaching 500 women? Do they have to resort to wearing top hats and learning magic card tricks?
There is a way to increase your success rate and I can tell you reason your results are so pathetic is 1. You are not as confident as you think you are 2. You aren't going for women who want to go home with a guy.
[–]ShiftReasonable4066 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
This is an experiment for others to see. Nothing more. Its not of my interest. Its for the beginner community. I did this sporadically within a years time. Its not of my benefit. No sir. I know how to get dates with cold approach and without it
More weird and pathetic that from a cold approach experiment theres proof and results than anything you have
I've hyperlinked screenshots of my phone. Wheres your proof? Or just run away w/o backing your claims
[–]SocialReject101 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I will have to agree with u/CocoBabeNYC at least in the confidence part. Your comments here are rash and almost angry. Seems like you are very disappointed at these results. But good work nonetheless. Thank you for sharing with us.
[–]ShiftReasonable4066 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
No ones mad friend. And I'm glad it can be of use to you in one way or another. For beginners, its 250 or so approaches to get laid. Can easily be done within a month for anyone starting, wanting to try
[–]SocialReject101 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Also, judging by the pictures he was dishing his own number as well (maybe after those 40 second interactions). 73 approaches a day sounds tiring. How can you even keep composure after 25?
[–]TricksyTrampoline 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Jesus… why such harsh judgment. I think what OP did was courageous and admirable to see if daygaming really fits the hype and here are his results. How judgmental you’re being seems odd especially in a subreddit about taking risks and approaching girls.
@OP I guess from these findings what would you say you’ve learned? Best way forward is nightgame?
[–]ShiftReasonable4066 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Social settings, night game, and online are the way to go. If you decide to cold approach its a tonne of rejection left and right. But it is an option for the grinders
[–]TricksyTrampoline 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yea I might try night game but not sure I’m gonna give up day game so fast. I agree with that it’s a grind but the girls I’ve been able to date or hookup through it are WAY better than the girls I’ve been able to get with through apps
[+]CocoBabeNYC -8 points-7 points-6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
OP is the reason why women go on Reddit and post stuff like "Don't approach me in public you creeps". Like what is all of this accomplishing? It's just shooting yourself on the dick.
[–]ShiftReasonable4066 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
6.5 approaches to girl giving out numbers doesn't seem creepy to me: beginner level
The proof is there
[–]TricksyTrampoline 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes there are many women that say don’t approach me in public also for that matter there are many women that say don’t approach me in bars or clubs either. Having said that there are many, if not more, women that are ok being approached in either scenario depending on circumstance. I get it if daygaming isn’t for you but would you be calling out a guy that approached 500 girls in clubs or bars?
[–]Rich-Anteater-9468 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Tell me you don't approach without telling me you don't approach.
[–]CocoBabeNYC 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
I've forgotten more about approaching than you know.
[–]Rich-Anteater-9468 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Cool how many have you done in the past year?
[–]CocoBabeNYC -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
0
[–]Rich-Anteater-9468 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Great. That's all I needed to hear.
[–]CocoBabeNYC -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
For one, I am married so I don't approach. And if I wasn't, I wouldn't have to approach all that much. Actually, I did approach one woman in the past year. It was at a bar and she was with her group of coworkers in front of the men's bathroom. I went straight up to her and told her she had a great strategy for meeting men, because eventually every man in the bar would have to go past her to get to the bathroom. But if I were single I could have easily gotten laid with a coworker who was into me, a Starbucks barista who was into me, a milf who I met while walking my dogs, a girl who works at the neighborhood bakery and was flirting with me, and probably a ton others that I just interacted with in my daily life.
[–]Rich-Anteater-9468 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
Cold approaching is not just for results. The average brain cannot understand this and I empathize with that. This is why majority of guys who look at stats like "1 date for 60 approaches? What the fuck?" end up quitting.
You have to realize how important it is to get rejected. It puts a fire in you and you become more calibrated for the next approach, not caring about the outcome. Think about it. If you can go up to the hottest girls you see and tell them they're attractive right off the bat, what could there possibly be in life that you are not capable of? It will be a breeze asking your boss for a good raise or promotion, you will have no problem giving someone bad news, you will be able to internalize assholes much better, etc. because all the rejection you carry brought you to that point.
Basically, I see any numbers, dates, and sex that accumulate from the cold approach as a bonus. It is needy to be outcome oriented.
[–]JayinHK 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is so true. Got into a LTR for a few years and I immediately missed cold approaching so much! Time to get back to it 💪🏼
[–]boxletowe 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Jeez dude exactly what I've been thinking, the thing is that feeling is so addicting I don't want to get into a relationship, have you found a way to keep that not giving a fk attitude without approaching every day?
[–]Rich-Anteater-9468 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Unfortunately, approaching is the best way to get the no-fucks-given attitude. There is no shortcuts.
I have to say, assholes at work bother me much less now because I have been able to handle girls that outright ignore me when I tell them they're cute. You will understand what I mean when you get good approach volume.
[–]MO_drps_knwldg -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I’m a believer in daygame, but in my experience online dating is by far the most efficient, if you have the right attitude (don’t take it too seriously ) and know a few ways to make your profile stand out.
[–]dheidjdedidbe 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
How is online more effective than in person? This is coming from someone who doesn’t even get likes when paying for tinder platinum and who has a perfect profile according to swipehelper
[–]MO_drps_knwldg 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
I’m not a fan of Tinder personally. I used Hinge and Bumble. Hinge was the easiest to get dates, Bumble had more attractive women overall. Tinder is a portal to hell in my opinion. I’m in a LTR with someone I met on Bumble, almost a year and half ago.
I wouldn’t rely on Swipehelper or any of those services to determine the quality of your profile. The proof is in the pudding
[–]dheidjdedidbe 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah I am on hinge. That my main profile that I put the most effort into. Though it seems like a waste since I have gone through all the girls within 100 miles without a response or match.
[–]underTheRadarGuy1 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
If you have a good dating app profile you can have a small to very large pool of women in most cities who want to talk to you. In person you have none.
Yes sir. Completely agree! Online > cold approach
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[–]ShiftReasonable4066 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Ahahahahahahahah
Yes I'm clearly a 3/10 pulling the girls I posted up. Solid my guy
I do get told that I'm way younger for my age. That I'm 19 😆. Oh, youre funny
And I'm "average height" for a hispanic(5'10). What the actual fuck kid????? lmaooooo
The ignorance out of you is sooo unreal lol
And with no cash? Haha I approached only when I could. Ive commented it many times and that it took me a year. I have a career and went to school
So try again bud
[–]JayinHK 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Andale fuck the haters
[–]WanyCaleb 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Aye yo! Not a single f*ck or chill given. You made my morning haha
[+]Lifedeather -7 points-6 points-5 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Just don’t cold approach in public lol, it’s useless, weird and downright creepy sometimes
[–]ShiftReasonable4066 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Completely agree. I was creepy, I had to be. Its up to the person if they give a hoot about what others think. Naturally they'll acclimate to where they see it as normal with enough experience. Those guys just do whatever they want
[–]Lifedeather -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Totally agree! Thanks for posting about your experience though :)
[–]IAMNUMBERBLACK 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You’re getting this at 140lbs? Wait till u bulk up like 30lbs more. Good shit bruv
I bet! Glad you enjoyed it
[–]KnightSwan 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Good job man, I’ve heard that even the best pickup artists only sleep with up to 1/30 girls they approach, and that’s after a decade of experience
[–]Crisia_1234 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's more like 1/5 for the very best
[–]Apprehensive-Put5487 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Mate, these are great numbers - keep it up 😁!
[–]KalEl2k 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Love the breakdown. Thanks for the insight.
[–]nbh1995 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
can you explain how many girls you slept with from that approach?
2 out of 500 correct? not hating just asking
[–]ShiftReasonable4066 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Yes. I also made out with over 50% of them on the 1st date, and 2nd base
[–]nbh1995 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
so 3 out of 5 dates you got to make out and have 2nd base right?
when you say you can't create interest what do you mean by that? don't you think if you increase the conversation time and quality of approach there will be a higher likelihood of success?
[–]ShiftReasonable4066 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
3 out of 5 dates; kissed, make out, groped them, played with boobs, pat their kitty before they said theyre okay with everything else but that
A girls interest is decided well before you even speak to her. Its not about quality. Its about quantity. If anything, conversating longer gets more flakes. Been there, done that
Keep it short and move on. Its a numbers game. Beginners need 15 numbers give or take before they get a date. Nothing you say or do will change that. If you accept that, youll get dates. Its that simple. Dont over complicate it
If all it takes is quality to get less flakey girls. Id be hooking up everyday off my approaches. But its not true. Its lies. Tested it many times. Dont waste your time with quality
[–]nbh1995 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I mean I doubt that you can't do certain things to improve the quality of attempts but you are more experienced than me...don't you think that in the attempts that it took you less times to get a date you didn't do something better? something different? maybe you weren't aware of those changes? sometimes cold approach could lead to a good connection but you need to be open minded about it and not think of it as potential lay...or maybe you were too honest about yourself or something lol...you know you gotta embellish the truth sometimes to make yourself seem like a catch lol
Again not hating or anything just trying to learn...an experienced person could have bad experience and good experience and it is important to distinguish between those two in an un emotional way
I try to think about things like a game of chess...there is always a mistake that was done that could have been prevented....sometimes the skill gap is too big and you will lose 99.999 of the time but most opponents can be beat with a decent mindful approach...so when you do pickup you are competing against other men (depends on how attractive the woman is) potentially anywhere between top 40 to top 1 percent of men...if you can get your skill level (game, confidence, looks, wealth) into that top 40 percent range you could beat them...lets say if you lowered your standards and approached 4-6s how different your success rates will be? but also if you improved your game and make less mistakes wouldn't you be more successful? Like I think that at some point making it a numbers game has diminishing returns no? like when you play a lot of fast games of chess and don't analyze the games carefully after winning\losing you tend to stagnate and get worse even.
I dont know just thinking out loud lol
[–]ShiftReasonable4066 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
They're honest questions but its not beneficial for a rookie to figure out
Its irrelevant. When you're out cold approaching nothing makes sense. Ive had huge mistakes when starting and some transition to straight hook ups and girlfriends.
"I like your leggings, do you work out your booty a lot?" Girl: "Well its real if you must touch. But im grabbing a coffee right now, lets chill? Sex
"Hello, yuh yuh youre cute. Wa-wa-waa- wanted to say hi. Girl: thanks
Sorry im leaving(stuttering embarrassed in front of everyone watching & laughing)
Girl:"You dont have to be nervous. Im easy to talk to. What made you come talk to me. What did you like about me? Where you from? Do you travel a lot to mexico? Do you go to school or work? What do you like to do for fun? What's your schedule like? Lets go out for lunch? Date, girlfriend of the year
If anything my memorable successes happened after big mistakes. Over thirsty and being a simp
The take away is don't make sense out of things. The only thing logical is that its a numbers game. If you stick to that as your rule, you'll get dates. Follow any other advice and lose your sanity making sense of it all
[–]nbh1995 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
hmm yeah I think a good balance of self reflection, criticism and also not giving a fuck and going back again is best...but again ill only be able to prove my point after I get the experience...
[–]tadass16 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Hi. Good job with the experiment. For the record, I don't think that all that material you said that you threw to the garbage is bad, they are guides, sort of. But you need to find your own ways of approaching and opening. It takes trial and error till you find your own technique.
Yes i need a complete refund. When i was an amateur i finally got sick of it. Then i did the opposite of what i learned and i started seeing results
Amateurs/intermediates have no business learning game. Theres no such thing. Say hi, introduce yourself, play the numbers. Thats gonna get you dates. Not game or seduction tricks
In one year of unlearning everything i had 3x more success
[–]Murrman1978 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
"RSD, Mystery, Neil Strauss, London day game model, seduction books, inner-game, push-pull, flirty, banter, text game "creating interest"
Did you learn anything useful from them? I always enjoyed Tom Terero, Neil Strauss and Mystery. It just seemed like they are all similar.
What is your opinion on the Cube, Strawberry Fields and 5 questions to use ?
Nope. I need a complete refund! I only started getting numbers and dates after i did the opposite of what i learned.
Back when i was an amateur i started interacting for 30 seconds and asked girls out for a drink. To my surprise almost every 10 girls gave me a real number. Than i read from legit players that it was a numbers game and i was doing excellent. Its takes many numbers for a date, not a few. 15 numbers to date for a beginner
A guys success is based on how much rejecting he can take. Not how much rejection he can avoid, how PUAs teach
[–]Colencence 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
In reality daygame is hardwork.
[–]1000miles_if_i_could 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I’m curious how much time that took you for all these texts? It seems like you put in a lot of effort in it. Any tips for responding texts? I sometimes would forget about what they talked about when I’m talking to a few people at the same time.
[–]ShiftReasonable4066 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Theres no such thing as text game. If youre not able to get a girl in text to meet up with you in less than 4 messages. Shes was never going to be interested! And youre just wasting your time doing anything else. Girls flake 110% of the time. When i was an amateur i needed about 15 numbers to get a date. No amount of text game reduced that
Have a look at this. Quick 40 second read of your time. Itll help you understand better https://mikemehlman.net/2020/04/12/how-to-be-non-needy-through-text/
[–]1000miles_if_i_could 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks. I know it’s a number’s game
[–]BigTBoneDog 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thnk you for the good and honest report!
[–]Informal_Fishing5729 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You say that you approached one millions chicks but you hardly tell what your successful tactics were, if any. Nonsense thread.
Its in the context. Emphasized many times
Keep your conversations very short and move on. Its a numbers game. Rejection is a prerequisite for numbers. A ton of flakey numbers is a prerequisite for 1 date. Nothing you say or do will change that. Say whatever you want as long as its not trolling the girl
Heres an example you can copy&paste:
1)"Hey how r u, i thought you were cute and wanted to say hi. What's your name?
2a)"You look good, do you go to the gym? How many times a week. Weight lifting or cardio. Meal prepping, protien shakes, how long you been at it"
2b)"You look good, do you go to the gym?" You dont? I need to stop eating so much junk food. I like spicy food. What's your favorite restaurant? What's your favorite thing there? Do you do any cooking? Whered you learn?
3)"Sooooooooooo, ummmmmmmm, you excited for spring? Whatre you looking forward to. What's your favorite time of the year? Etc....
4)"And hows your day been? Whatre you shopping for today. Cool, its the perfect time not too busy. Well i gtg, want to grab a drink sometime?
+-100 girls will get you a date. +-15 numbers needed per date. Nothing you say or do matters. You can copy&paste, that's also fine. Make your own script and play the numbers game. This also has been tested to be very accurate
I can talk to -150 girls this week after work and get a date this weekend with this. So can you. Not many guys can say that. No excuses
[–]NiceWetTissue 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Those stats are so demotivating to me. I dont live in a big city. Theres almost no way i can find 500 different girls to approach. Guess i should just kill myself or move to bigger country
Cold approach is always going to be low return investment. I've had dates before this experiment. And id be lying to you like the seduction community if you need way less than 100 approaches with sick game "quality approaches" to get a date. Its all lies. An amateur and beginner have no business trying to learn game if they can't manage getting a date in their amateur form. Which is 50-150 approaches per date
That's just to save you the time what the real sales funnel looks like cold approaching
[–]smoothfucker420 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good job man. You're inspiring
Are you aware that you didn’t give one single advice with a sense, beside telling the poor guys “just hit on a million women”?
[–]ShiftReasonable4066 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]boxletowe 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Respect for the hustle my dude, i’ve Approached so many girls ive lost count, and still had similar results as yours, in the end i realised its just numbers game, go approach get the social momentum going have fun, enjoy it and thats the important part even if you don’t get laid its one of the most fun things you can do nowadays imo
In the end its all similar stuff. Some might do a bit better or bit worse. Reality is, its just luck. Its hardly ever the case the guy is better. It just looks like that, but thats not whats actually happening
Ive had days where i get 30 straight rejection before a number close and any rookie could "do better." What's failed to realize is that the next 7 approaches are all straight numbers. Then its back to the vicious rejection. The next of those numbers are a date
[–]boxletowe 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Yup, also a rookie will get discouraged and lose motivation and stop before experiencing the next 7 straight numbers, also approaching gives u such a refreshing feeling of having no shame of doing absolutely anything, you get sky high confidence.
Noticed when i stop doing it after like a month life gets boring and monotonous, wonder if i have to approach my whole life to feel awesome, whats your experience with that
Its not for everyone. Glad i can help
[–]bigtittylover001 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Respect your grind mate. Wish I had friends like you.
Im not special bro. I did it for you guys. So you can all decide for yourselves if its worth your time
[–]MrManwithNoName2021 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
75 numbers for 500 approaches is really good stuff. Depending on location, season (summertime lay rates increases), and improving game youll see your lay rate increase.
[–]TipWellington 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This is so cringey and is a significant reason most women recoil when real men approach them. I went thru a phase of sleeping with as many women as possible and I’ll be the first to admit that I was trying to establish my worth to the opposite sex and where I stand (as far as “average” with my sexual ability and skills. BECAUSE there has to be some core/central reason why a guy (or anyone) would do such things. Just “loving women and also love being around them” is something that comes with endless annoyance and responsibility and is basically like having a second and third job. I can’t fathom the type of individual that enjoys going on first dates often or trying to keep even a handful of women satisfied (not just sexually, but emotionally) over the course of several months. Ive “juggled” 7-8 at a time, for a period of 3-4 years and it is a nightmare (note: hardly any of my experiences ended badly, so it’s not like I’m talking about rejection or feeling let down or anything). Every woman is slightly different, but they’re all roughly the same (in broad terms) and anyone that prefers 100 similar experiences of a shallow nature (if you’re managing 100 over a short period of time, that means you’re limited and aren’t able to establish deep connections with many or any of them) over having a few that you bond deeply with, is immature. Or the guy is trying to fill some hole that is missing in his soul. If you want to be turned off by women, go ahead and try to keep 5 or more happy for a year straight, all while maintaining your normal lifestyle, and you will wonder “why the fuck was I thinking this would be worth it?!?!?” Anyone whose had a number of good women fall for them will realize the shit is entirely overrated and 98% of the time is not even worth getting dressed for. Time and effort are 1000x better spent on tangible projects like building a business or creating art, or anything that doesn’t have an expiration date and can be used to build your bank account and resume (since 99% of sexual relationships end within a couple years and the “good times” are only a fraction of that time). The only thing that rivals “pick up ‘artists’” for douchiness would be like “professional” poker players lol The arrogance of most of them who don’t contribute anything to society or the world, yet they carry themselves like they’re even as worthy as a garbage man is sadly delusional. Please tell me one aspect or scenario of how I’m wrong and I’ll reply and explain to each why I’m still right (if you have any reasonable goals or aspirations for yourself or mankind in general). If you are just a glutton or hedonist, I guess that’s OK, but never worthy of bragging or acting like you’re anywhere near as valuable as my prior example.. a garbage man.
Deep. Completely agree. But our opinions are subjective to an extent. People will live how they want to live. Theres no right or wrong. Someone elses life is none of my business. Doesn't affect me. What makes them happy ill probably think its foolish and vise versa
[–]BigBadPiggy999 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Great stuff man . Thanks for giving us brothers hope .
[–]_Broatmeal_ 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
These girls would be proud to know that they’re part of your research project 🤡
😈
[–]Seppmeister85 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What you are not mentioning here is the importance of demographics. I approached 1000s of women in my hometown in Germany and had very few results. In Mexico I got 12 Latinas in 5 weeks.
[–]ShiftReasonable4066 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Theres a guy whos approached 10000s in japan. And strictly moved for his dating preference. Japan is supposed be a very conservative culture. And the guy has mentioned this in his hometown australia the approaches and success were about the same
So its not worth mentioning. It's just whining where you live and not making the most of it
How was approaching in the gym.
Same as everywhere else. Rejection left and right
[–]iplaysmitegame 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Bro your number to date ratio is low bc your texting is ass.
[–]ShiftReasonable4066 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
Text game ahahahahahahahahaha that's for fucking simps who barely know how to get numbers
Only guys that can't get laid teach that. ***Notice that the girls are texting me more. Not the other way around
I have too much value and dignity for that. By all means show me your dates and text proofs? Should be easy for you with your sick text game
Youve been brainwashed if you believe text game actually exist
[–]iplaysmitegame 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Okay, have fun with your poor results. Make all the excuses in the world.
Ya its what i thought. You dont have anything. Text game i feel sorry for you
[–]iplaysmitegame 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ok
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