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Nah. As far as I'm concerned they're absolutely right when it comes to economic policy: Minimum wage increases have been shown to have a good long-term effect in cities where they were implemented, and they're only one part of the platform that most of these folks advocate for. Many of the other initiatives they support like increasing union membership, collective bargaining, and stronger workplace protections would help everyone, including Methville OH.

The reverse of that coin is that the people who usually oppose minimum wage hikes and mock these kids for protesting are also the ones who fucked over Methville and oppose any attempts to help it directly. Economic conservatives are the worst hypocrites imaginable on the subject of economics, and yet we give them a pass while dunking on idealists instead.

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meta studies overwhelmingly indicate an unemployment effect

A short-term one that normalizes after a little while, and which can be mitigated with a decent support system.

you forgot the hand over fist unsustainable free shit, which is overwhelmingly front and center compared to literally everything you just listed

The "free shit", as you call it, is what makes it possible for people to actually rise above minimum wage income: Secondary public education (or publicly funded trade school) is an excellent way of qualifying for better paying jobs without accruing debt, and public healthcare allows people who need it to have more disposable income to spend on their own development and not be tied down to the first employer that pays for any sort of insurance, regardless of salary.

That doesn't only affect low-wage workers, btw: Even professionals who earn in the 6-figure range can't easily leave their jobs if there's a risk of losing their health insurance as a result, simply because healthcare in the US is so goddamn expensive.

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A short-term one that normalizes after a little while

Yes, it normalizes the amount of people that are just unemployed because of an arbitrary price floor set by economic creationists.

and which can be mitigated with a decent support system.

there's the magic infinite free stuff

The "free shit", as you call it, is what makes it possible for people to actually rise above minimum wage income:

Bunk. Ignoring the fact that "minimum wage income" denotes nothing whatsoever, the reality is that a million things (education, free education online, side gigs, hell literally just working at a minimum wage income and being a reliable employee who shows up) can help people rise above a minimum wage income - in fact, only about half a million workers in the entire United States are making THE Federal minimum wage, which stands in stark contrast to the nonsensical bullshit that without minimum wage we'd all be slaves at $0/hour.

Secondary public education (or publicly funded trade school) is an excellent way of qualifying for better paying jobs without accruing debt, and public healthcare allows people who need it to have more disposable income to spend on their own development and not be tied down to the first employer that pays for any sort of insurance, regardless of salary.

with magic resources that grow on trees. Or, oh wait, sorry, "taxes", the magical incantation that somehow invalidates the laws of supply and demand, economic scarcity, and the conservation of mass and energy.

That doesn't only affect low-wage workers, btw: Even professionals who earn in the 6-figure range can't easily leave their jobs if there's a risk of losing their health insurance as a result, simply because healthcare in the US is so goddamn expensive.

And if healthcare was the only thing you were reaching into my paycheck over, I might have a different point of view - but it's not, so. This country treats "personal responsibility" like the black goddamned plague, and it's pathetic.

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I'm 40 and have several 60+ family members that cant distinguish between socialism and communism. Not knowing what either is no doubt doesn't help.

Their working definition seems to be things I like = not socialism, things I dont like = communism, things I really dont like marxism.

I have only a vague idea what communism is, so I dont know what an actual implementation would look like.

I'm not so ignorant as to conflate communism and socialism when healthcare comes up. That's a pretty low bar though.

Of course of any system, people reject any implementation that casts that system in a bad light, saying it wasn't a pure enough implementation.

I'd guess using cherry picking then starting a gish gallop isn't very interesting, but thats mostly what these arguments look like.

I'm not saying communism would work, just that I doubt the boogeyman created by conservative media.

I'm not a big fan of the inequality framing currently popular. I think it oversimplifies and leads discussion in the wrong direction.

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Lotsa the tech in the iPhone was made at Unis and shit, not by capitalists.

Since when were universities not capitalist?

What capitalists did do was make an update for it that slowed it down on purpose so you'd buy a new one.

To act like that's the only contribution capitalists made to technology is very disingenuous. Apple was the first company to take a lot of innovative tech, most notably multi-touch which we simply take for granted today, and put it into a commercial device available for the masses. Other companies then did the same, most notably HTC which was the first major Android partner, then later Samsung, due to the incentive they had to compete with Apple for profit.

As other replies have already stated, there would be very little if any incentive to innovate if it were not for the promise of profits. And more competition is always good for the consumer.

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Unis are funded by taxpayer money

They're partly subsided by taxpayer money (they shouldn't be but that's another debate) but they are privately owned and you have to pay tuition fees to attend so they're a business regardless.

There's no incentives to innovate really either lol my phone is basically the same shit it was 6 years ago

On the surface maybe but the technology powering it has developed massively in that time. The modern smartphone is easily as powerful as a fully fledged computer. They didn't used to be. Compare the chip in the original iPhone with the A12X chip for example. They are both ARM based SoC's so they use the same architecture but the A12X is literally more powerful than most laptops while the original iPhone was only like 400MHz with under 1GB RAM.

That's enormous progress, you just don't notice it, you just see your apps going a little faster each year and don't realise how much progress is being made in the chips over time.

Maybe the capitalists can go make some good movies instead of churning out Action Movie 8 or another crappy Hero movie.

Joker was good imo.

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Title	Clown world iPhone communist starter pack
Author	crackrocksteady7
Upvotes	384
Comments	246
Date	October 16, 2019 11:44 AM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/dio4ng/clown_world_iphone_communist_starter_pack/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/PurplePillDebate/clown-world-iphone-communist-starter-pack.291002 https://theredarchive.com/post/291002

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