Liberals blaming "Mens Rights" as cause of mass murder. Even though there's no evidence this man was involved in Men's Rights

babycarrotman · 2014-05-24T17:06:40+00:00

If he was any way involved in MRA's he should be disavowed as violence is not the way forward to make change. I would rather be proactive about condeming Elliot Rodger. Let's not mitigate and deflect if he claimed to be an MRA and confront it head on. Either way Elliot Rodger was a piece of shit. I'm not going to pretend there are not bad men that can be attracted to this movement. All movements have these moments how we as a community responds will say a great deal.

Edit: Thanks for the gold stranger, it's my first. I feel wierd for being guilded for saying what I feel any decent human being should say in a tragedy.

Edit: Thanks for the second guilding. Please no more gold, it hurt me actually. If you feel the urge to show your appreciation donate to men or boy's mental health services or to the victims. If you do not have funds give the men and boy's in your life a hug and let them know you are there to listen and help as best you can.

shibbidybibbidy · 2014-05-24T17:55:00+00:00

MRM has nothing to do with PUA. At all. Maybe there is some membership overlap but MRM has nothing to do with picking up women.

There is really no surprise that the kid was on PUA stuff. He was a desperate,lonely, virgin. Exactly the kind of person who looks for help picking up.

The author conflates two completely different things and labels it MRM. 100% wrong and the author needs to learn what they are talking about before posting stuff. That is asking a lot of the "writers" that soapbox on the internet nowadays. Truly a dead art

2014-05-24T20:12:03+00:00

"Schifman said in recent weeks that Rodger’s parents were concerned for their son's well being and reported his disturbing YouTube videos to police, which lead to an investigation. According to Schifman, police interviewed Rodger and found him to be “polite and kind.” He did not specify which law enforcement division conducted the interview.

A social worker also contacted police about Rodger last week, said Schifman."

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"The father of Elliot Rodger confirmed through his attorney, Alan Schifman, that his son was the gunman. The 22-year-old was being treated by multiple therapists and was a student at Santa Barbara City College, said Schifman."

Source: http://gma.yahoo.com/suspect-uc-santa-barbara-shooting-identified-family-171001175--abc-news-topstories.html

TheBrokenWorld · 2014-05-24T21:24:39+00:00

What's with the liberal hate on this subreddit? Many of us lean pretty well toward the left.

Samurai007_ · 2014-05-24T19:00:14+00:00

I noticed the guy was also subscribed to The Young Turks, a left-wing news commentary channel. Perhaps that is what drove him over the edge. Or all the automotive channels he subscribed to.

He wasn't subscribed to any MRM channels, like GWW, Rockin' Mr E, ManWomanMyth, or any of the others. PUA is not MRM, but the lefties like Kos try to link the two because they see it as a way to smear the MRM. If anything, actually listening to the MRM and MGTOW may, possibly, have made him realize he doesn't need a woman to validate him as a man, that he needs to be happy as a person on his own instead of measuring his self-worth by having a girlfriend. If he'd gotten those messages he might have felt better about himself and not seen the need to lash out violently in his frustration.

Middletom · 2014-05-24T17:55:06+00:00

It turns out he might have been anti puas and anti manosphere and anti game:

http://www.justfourguys.com/special-post-elliot-rodgers-retribution-manifesto/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=special-post-elliot-rodgers-retribution-manifesto

Aparently he was a member of puahate. His comments over there is being deleted right now.

dewse · 2014-05-24T17:26:16+00:00

"The true Alpha Male. What those who call themselves the Mens Rights Movement aspire to be."

"The Men's Rights Movement as they call themselves is a nebulous group of pickup artists and misogynists who've found each other on line, and are attempting to create a movement based around their hatred, disdain, and fear of women."

That is disgusting. Where in the world do they get this from? That's so far from what we're seeking of all this. That site is pathetic for letting an article like that be published.

Sketchy_Uncle · 2014-05-25T00:49:20+00:00

I do not understand why /r/mensrights gets roped into stuff like this. NEVER have I read where this group advocates for pickup artist/seduction technique type stuff or forced affection and rape. I'm just dumbfounded that this group gets characterized as such. Blows my mind.

2014-05-24T19:56:39+00:00

The bodies of the victims haven't even gone cold and the anti-mrm brigade are already using this tragedy as an excuse to tarnish the entire movement?

Unbelievable.

2014-05-24T17:29:36+00:00

The video for this piece of shit can be found here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/24/elliot-rodger-video-confession_n_5385175.html?

Gittiup · 2014-05-25T01:36:42+00:00

Here's his 140 page manifesto. He talks of an antiPUA site, where failed pua's go to rage. That's about it. The rest of his manifesto is what you'd expected from a full blown narcissist turned homicidal maniac.

Popeychops · 2014-05-24T20:46:50+00:00

The article is a shameful smear piece which doesn't know the difference between Men's rights, TRP, or a PUA. Don't waste your time reading this.

iddco · 2014-05-24T21:29:35+00:00

top comment on his youtube manifesto echoing the article

"This is what the men's rights movement and red pill rhetoric does to somebody.

This guy wasn't crazy: violent misogyny is not a mental illness. But it's what drove him to being a psychopath. That's what their fucked up ideology does to somebody. It's horrifying."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBvaVWdJRQM

I personally find the gross over generalization, no evidence and inability to get past one's own bias to be the true horror

stidf · 2014-05-24T22:28:06+00:00

As a white male alumnus of UCSB, IV can be a very lonely place if you are having trouble social. Especially given everything that goes on around you. Hordes of beautiful people in a beautiful place enjoying themselves and the company of others. It can be very crushing sometimes. I can definitely remember several times while I was there that I felt much of the same pain and isolation he probably felt. I just found that taking some time by myself sitting on the beach watching the ocean a much more effective coping mechanism than what this deranged man did.

Also having watched his "retribution" video, he makes no mention of being an MRA or anything of that sort. The dude is just a sick man who unfortunately decided that instead of seeking help from the numerous sources available to him for free at the university and from the community writ large he would go on a murderous rampage. If you watch the video it is basically a 4 minute rant about how sad and lonely he is. The sad part is how it basically spells out pretty much to a t the stereotypes that people who hate on MRAs. Dude needed help and any efforts by the media to conflate this with MRAs are actively contributing to the creating of future situations like this. By refusing to empathize with the marginalized or acknowledge the imbalances in our society they are actively contributing to the hopelessness of people who would have a tendency to commit atrocities like this.

Big_Tubbz · 2014-05-24T16:46:24+00:00

This just reminds me of the whole "do you drink water? So does hitler" thing. Even if it was connected MRA still wouldn't be bad at base.

2014-05-24T20:26:10+00:00

Does anyone know what groups he was involved with ? One guy i tweeted with said something about PUAHate but i clearly don't know.

PeBeFri · 2014-05-24T20:44:44+00:00

My comments here

c0mputar · 2014-05-24T21:06:54+00:00

The same people who get pissed off that the media ignores mental health issues in the aftermath of these shootings, in favor of gun issues, make the same mistake.

Whenever a political issue that is dear to commentators can be injected into a tragedy, the root cause, mental health, gets ignored. Even gun issues got ignored by feminist leaning commentators, that is how important smearing MRM is to them.

The guy had mental health problems, was in a social health housing, reported to police weeks ago by family, and still this happened

But MRA rabble rabble...

mean0dean0 · 2014-05-24T16:23:05+00:00

This is yet another example of the PUA community (and especially bad behaviors in particularly bad parts of the PUA community) being linked with the MRM as a whole. Even though most MRAs have distanced themselves with the misogyny and the gender warfare of /redpill and other PUA communities, should we put out some sort of notice in a sticky or on the sidebar that violence and hatred against ANYONE will not be tolerated in the MRM? It seems like such an easy way for feminists and other ideological blowhards to discredit the movement, when nobody would dare claim that the man-hating SCUM crowd were representative of all of feminism.

Thatonebigguy · 2014-05-24T19:54:29+00:00

As a 22 year old virgin who's never been kissed, I have more important things to do like work and get myself established in life. I don't care about any sort of persons opinion who hasn't even begun to live in the real world and see things for themselves. I'll find someone (lol hopefully), but at my own pace and not under some sort of societal pressure.

2014-05-24T18:11:00+00:00

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AryaBarzan · 2014-05-24T19:54:39+00:00

This kind of nit-picking and logical gymnastics is very common amongst feminist/feminist-sympathizing groups (generally left-leaning political associations) and really shows their desperation in attempting to paint the MRM as "hateful".

The few times there have been some killing spree by some guy with "girlfriend problems", the guy gets painted by these slanderous tards as an MRA.

Here's the steps I've witnessed over the years. 1) Guy with "girlfriend problems" goes on killing spree either targeting women or not. 2)Sometime before guy with "girlfriend problems" goes on murderous rampage, ends up looking for solutions to his problem and surprise surprise finds PUA websites/blogs. 3) Feminists find posts from PUA website and perform mental gymnastics to convince others that PUA=MRA. 4) Feminists make claims that the murderer was an "active MRA" because of his posts on a "MRA website" and these actions are clearly supported by MRA's.

When you have to force associations between a group of men discussing ways to pick up women and a group of men/women fighting for the rights of men, you know you reek of desperation. Then again, I can't blame feminists. Most of their prominent members have stated/supported bigotry against men, unlike the MRM so they need to create some sort of "boogeyman MRA's" to have any standing chance.

ThePigmanAgain · 2014-05-25T01:34:15+00:00

A smear piece from a cowardly pile of filth hiding behind a pseudonym, and the kind of thing i expect from a shit-hole like Kos. The conflating of PUAs and MRAs shows that the writer is either a moron or a fucking liar, either way he can kiss my ass. Incidentally, it's anti-male shit like this that made me stop reading things like Kos.

"I don't think we should be at all surprised that when hateful rhetoric is trained on any group, lone wolves like this guy get triggered."

Oh, the moronic irony. After all, what is his own article but hateful rhetoric?

guywithaccount · 2014-05-24T20:13:11+00:00

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ObligatoryPokemonRef · 2014-05-24T20:12:26+00:00

I wonder what he thinks about the doolittle raid.

juanqunt · 2014-05-24T23:47:48+00:00

Dude is a disgusting spoiled brat with a fucked up mindset. Should not be associated with true Men's Rights Movement where we advocated for true peace and equality.

MHRAdvocate · 2014-05-25T04:02:22+00:00

My immediate thought as I read this article, was that it was very unfortunate the author confused the Men's Rights movement with the Red Pill lifestyle. Truthfully, though, I think the author did know the difference, but decided to go through with it anyway, knowing that the average, non-assuming reader wouldn't know any better and would readily swallow this BS without much question.

vaselinepete · 2014-05-24T17:59:16+00:00

This is absolutely obscene. What a pack of fucking lies. Disgusting.

MulhollandDrive · 2014-05-25T03:49:27+00:00

I'm a liberal I'm not blaming MRAs

MattClark0994 · 2014-05-24T17:36:59+00:00

Wow, so they outright claim that the mens rights movement, who advocate THESE issues, are actually pick up artists?

This is how whiny feminists justify their "misogyny" crying? Well, I guess its a good thing us "pick up artist" mens advocates don't have to make shit up when calling out feminists.

Unenjoyed · 2014-05-24T20:04:24+00:00

That article was about as batshit as that murdering psycho's video.

bat_mayn · 2014-05-25T01:34:16+00:00

Is anyone more than a little disturbed how this is spiraling into basically a psyop against men's rights, and men in general?

Nomenimion · 2014-05-24T19:36:50+00:00

His diatribe had nothing to do with men's rights. Being lonely and jilted isn't an MRA issue.

Fhwqhgads · 2014-05-24T19:37:45+00:00

When a movement that seeks to change the status quo gains traction, these are the kind of attacks and smears they face in the media.

Power always wants to preserve itself.

jpflathead · 2014-05-24T20:25:54+00:00

Kos is blaming Men's Rights.

Kos is not Liberals.

Larn some basic logic, dumbass.

AlongAustower · 2014-05-25T07:39:19+00:00

It's the same old "Hitler was a vegetarian and supported animal rights"

My answer to that is, Good. It's nice that Hitler cared about animals and stood against animal abuse.

The same applies here. It's good if Elliot supported mens rights. But we also have to note that he advocated killing the entire human race.

The problem was he rejected the MRM and wasnt influenced enough by it.

typhonblue · 2014-05-24T16:44:17+00:00

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2014-05-24T22:24:56+00:00

The true Alpha Male. What those who call themselves the Mens Rights Movement aspire to be.

lolwut

Fucking hilarious. If he wasn't directing his hate specifically at women, they would correctly be saying he was crazy, he was depressed, that he needed mental health care.

Buuut if your depression causes you to lash out against women, suddenly these people throw all the mental health stuff out of the window. Suddenly this guy is sane, and as such, pure evil.

An amazing about-face.

RobbenQC · 2014-05-24T18:14:39+00:00

This isn't even anything to do with the PUA community which he was involved in. The guy was a psychopath and he lost it. Twisting mental illness to political ends is typically despicable.

Ucanthandledatruth · 2014-05-25T00:06:03+00:00

The man was weak minded and needed an asylum or a prison cell. Simple as that. He certainly was not an alpha, so they got that part right... the only part they got right IMO.

Gawrsh · 2014-05-25T04:40:49+00:00

'Alpha male'

I'm not familiar with the "pick up artist" (PUA?) group, but it does seem to be something that I've seen with them.

Could someone with a little more knowledge clarify here?

Such a terrible person to do this.

2014-05-25T08:00:17+00:00

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wont_tell_i_refuse · 2014-05-25T03:44:18+00:00

You have to love it. If you're not with us, you're against us. MRA = PUA = incel = any other "manosphere" term, don't worry they're all interchangeable... very similar to the attitude that led the American public to brush it off when we declared war on Iraq. After all, they'd just done 9/11! Or something...

solaria_mra · 2014-05-25T17:23:39+00:00

This is the exact same rhetoric as when Colombine happened. "These two boys were clearly mentally derranged, but instead of getting help they refined their hateful world views with Marylin Manson, violent video games, and 'goth' subculture."

If you want to start a conversation about the relevant subject then absolutely, but if you're looking for some to point your finger at and lay all the blame on, you're not helping in any way.

DavidByron2 · 2014-05-24T18:01:53+00:00

Obama's killed thousands if not millions. Isn't he a feminist?

Lumiafan · 2014-05-25T04:49:25+00:00

Get used to stories like this. This is the new normal.

I'm willing to take bets on this type of shit getting force-fed to the public until someone like Hillary Clinton finds herself in the White House.

Desecr8or · 2014-05-24T21:54:47+00:00

If you can watch his video and not hear MRA rhetoric, then you're just in denial.

Gawrsh · 2014-05-25T02:33:30+00:00

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MattClark0994 · 2014-05-24T17:40:38+00:00

I would expect nothing less from a liberal outlet.

WadatahMyDamie · 2014-05-24T19:42:20+00:00

A guy immersed in a culture that thinks males are oppressed isn't mentally sound?

The hell you say.

2014-05-25T00:25:25+00:00

Are the mods going to do a single god-damned thing about the trolls brigading this thread right now? Or are they going to continue their usual tactic of ignoring all of the wrongdoing by the TwoX brigaders, and then in a few days, warning us against behavior that's totally tame in comparison?

havingread · 2014-05-24T16:16:09+00:00

All of these further the feminists' cause and so I see them as feminists. I've got to repeat myself:

Feminists absolutely love it when men snap and go on a killing frenzy to the point where they're surely begging for it to happen on the inside as they gleefully goad men. Had all of these men only known of this bottomless depravity perhaps they'd think twice about giving them exactly what they wanted. The moment you engage in unprovoked acts of violence against women you become a feminist in my eyes.

2014-05-25T00:04:46+00:00

This really shouldn't be a surprise to any of you. The liberal media hates men. I know lots of liberals are members of this div reddit, but I think this event should cause many of you to reconsider your position. The media won't let you be a MRA and a liberal.

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AskMen	281
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MensRights	198
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relationships	153
sex	147
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Subreddit	Overlapping Users
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AskMen	281
seduction	202
MensRights	198
NoFap	164
relationships	153
sex	147
RedPillWomen	123
trpgame	112
leagueoflegends	111

Subreddit	Overlapping Users
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AskMen	281
seduction	202
MensRights	198
NoFap	164
relationships	153
sex	147
RedPillWomen	123
trpgame	112
leagueoflegends	111

Subreddit	Overlapping Users
asktrp	576
AskMen	281
seduction	202
MensRights	198
NoFap	164
relationships	153
sex	147
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trpgame	112
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Title	Liberals blaming "Mens Rights" as cause of mass murder. Even though there's no evidence this man was involved in Men's Rights
Author	[deleted]
Upvotes	84
Comments	303
Date	May 24, 2014 4:13 PM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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