The ugly truth behind the anti-men's rights crusade

AeneaLamia · 2012-02-14T02:46:35+00:00

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kragmoor · 2012-02-14T05:28:00+00:00

As a bisexual man, I find Adrian's actions revolting. It is plain disgusting to see someone who should know better act as he is. He should realize how important it is that men have the right to be as we were born, have choices, and have autonomy.

We fight against things like forced circumcision, especially if circumcision is done for outdated religious reasons. We abhor how men are treated like pedophiles and monsters if they wish to be single (or gay couple) fathers. We fight for fathers to be considered a parent by court systems too. We work to keep control over our own reproductive systems just as women do. Finally we try to find equality in a world that has given men the legal disadvantage across the board. We fight for fathers, sons, brothers - even grandfathers.

Misogynists you say? When so many can't even admit misandry exists? You call us angry when women come here flaming us on accounts like "icumwhenIkillmen"? You know the part I find most hilarious? When some anti-mra posts trying to bait and troll me with taunts that I like cock, as though I'd rage like some hollywood stereotype and show myself as some bigot. Guess what? I'm male and I like cock! I fucking love it! I love pussy too! (hint, that's called being non-sexist). So I crack up when wannabee batmans come here and expose their own homophobia.. but no, you won't see Adrian act against that type of homophobia here. It doesn't fit his narrative. He'll just go with the easy and quick shit-fling to try anything that will stick, just like the other trolls. So am I angry? Fuck yes! With every bit as legitimacy as anyone else in the world of gender related discussion.

I hope that gay and bi men everywhere realize that Adrian is acting against our own best interests, against men's rights, and is helping perpetuate a system that keeps men in narrowly defined roles - subservient to women and the vast legal power women now hold over men, fathers, and their children.

The deep irony here is the same people who claim they believe things like "men should have a right to feel too" and "feminists had to fight for rights, men should as well"... are the very same people who do everything they can to tell us what we feel is wrong and that we should be shamed and silenced.

Thanks for selling men out to up your page hits, Adrian.

2012-02-14T06:01:16+00:00

Yep, they're just a bunch of filthy, lowlife human beings. I guess there are those who must have a certain group of people to hate. There are also the women who are afraid of (non white-knight) men forming mutually supportive networks.

jawston · 2012-02-14T08:42:10+00:00

I really don't understand the white hate, I'm from a rather large lower middle class mestizo family and I don't have any hate for middle class whites that these people seem to have.

Is it white guilt or something?

eskachig · 2012-02-14T05:59:32+00:00

I like the part of the MR movement where the MR's have to keep the moral high ground but the trolls get to do whatever they want.

UnoriginalMike · 2012-02-14T14:58:07+00:00

It's interesting to me to see the anti-men's rights groups being openly for castration, mutilation, child abuse, etc, and somehow that is all ok. But me saying child support payments in excess of 100% of my income is a horrible and wrong thing. Repost to WTF.

hardwarequestions · 2012-02-14T03:20:49+00:00

OMG! that was me!

cool.

BuzzKyllington · 2012-02-14T13:56:00+00:00

Wait, isn't this the same guy who was outed as the habitual IAmA faker? Don't give trolls attention.

kragshot · 2012-02-14T16:48:27+00:00

The worst part of this is that half of this hate comes from "troll culture." Half of these people are just ignorant and are baiting us for the sake of stirring up shit and stroking their egos.

We need to stand tall and realize that we are fighting for something real; for men of all colors and orientations. Folks like the SRS/SA crowd aren't fighting for any damn thing other than the right to be assholes. The second best defense against a heckler is to highlight their stupidity and then continue on with your original point.

The best defense against a heckler is to clearly illustrate how their heckling is a flawed, unintelligent, and uninformed attempt to promote their point and then incorporate their heckling into proving your own.

The best thing we can do is to not fall into using base insults and hostile and reactionary emotive responses to counter these attacks. I'm not saying to not be passionate about stating your points or replying to debate. I am saying that we need to keep our cool and use logic and passion to clinically dissect those opposing viewpoints. (This is directed to you, Jeremiah)

ajleece · 2012-02-14T08:43:44+00:00

On the flip side of this, many feminists get their view of MRA's from Futrelle,

Why don't know how to uses plurals? The plural of MRA is MRAs.

BUT, good article.

casmuff · 2012-02-14T11:00:47+00:00

Imagine if when women complained about inequalities, men told them to stop whining.

Sometimes I wish we could tell dem bitches to cut the shit.

UnoriginalMike · 2012-02-14T14:55:04+00:00

Every activist group has come under hard times at its start, abolition, women's suffrage, civil rights etc. Hang in there boys, it's going to be a long ride, but we can make it.

2012-02-16T01:11:33+00:00

The weirdest part of these SRS troll posts are that it seems like they are joking, but in the same way that racist/sexist/homophobic white guys would have joked 30 or 40 years ago. It's like, what part of 'becoming the thing you hate' got lost on these trolls? I don't see anywhere near the kind of casual, joking hatred, bigotry, incitement to violence, and pure bitter scorn in any other group on reddit; it's bad enough that they have that much hatred inside themselves, but should they be allowed to spew it out just to ruin everything for others?

JeremiahMRA · 2012-02-14T05:12:54+00:00

And ignatiusloyola still welcomes SRS into our sub-reddit, refusing to ban them, chillin' with therealbarackobama who has had beautiful heartwarming discussions with him.

coldvault · 2012-02-14T09:22:21+00:00

Let's just all agree to 1. ignore Chen and 2. stay out of each other's fucking subreddits.

brunt2 · 2012-02-14T08:29:51+00:00

And this. Piece of cancer-faking shit, was .....able to control reddit? I'm speechless.

Nobody_special · 2012-02-14T14:43:25+00:00

I am glad mens rights is/are getting attention.

2012-02-14T20:48:01+00:00

Really great piece of writing.

These people that want to rejoice in the suffering of men need to be named and shamed.

Torquemada1970 · 2012-02-14T10:01:55+00:00

Odd how online behaviour has come to mimic the worst aspects of tabloids - the problem being that the 'oh, that was yesterday' attitude of cancer-fakers and the like somehow acts as a shield is an assumption that comes back to bite. Just ask Piers Moron. Hell, ask James Murdoch.

heavym · 2012-02-14T13:57:10+00:00

how does the author of this article know that each of those "troll's" are who he says they are? i get the point of his article - men's rights is a dirty word. but how does he know each of those posts that he has pointed were written by the handful of "journalists" that he claims?

ravia · 2012-02-14T16:41:07+00:00

He's fighting a good fight. There are a lot of issues that really call for this kind of "next stage" rubric. Advocating for men's rights in a society that has been, in some ways, very male dominated. But those who have taken up the issue see clearly that it is not a simple matter of a late emergence, a "but note as well" addendum to feminism. The same goes for most other really big movements.

I don't want to sound racist, but along with the always important issue of oppression of minorities comes the need for critique of those very communities, within their given cultures. The problem is that once the cognitive powers that be are set to work on a given issue, any consideration of other angles, sides, ancillary or related rubrics/problematics is just too much to deal with and these other, often later, problematics and causes are read off as nothing but a kind of bad conservatism that is seeking only to take the stance of the usual bad guy who is, in fact, very rightly criticized: the true misogynist, the true racist simpliciter, etc.

In the end, and the beginning, this is a problem, indictment and crisis of and for thought, as in said "cognitive powers that be", which might well sum up who we are all really cowering before: those few brain cells that have been allotted for framing problems, sorting out difficulties; that determine the tolerance for sound byte usage, set the criteria for the level of thought involved everywhere and force the tortured presentation of real and glaring problems in the forms the unfortunately end up taking under this real tyranny of thoughtlessness: egregious situations gone wildly wrong, horrendous outcomes, intense and extreme, crippling suffering.

That this is not really about men's rights, the proper and improper defense of feminism and, as I have suggested, other issues such as racism, but of this other tyranny, the limits of cognition, of thought, powers of mind and so forth, is something that both "sides" would do well to consider. On the part of the men's rights advocates, it would be much harder to hurl the kinds of salvos discussed in the post were more commenters, bloggers, writers, advocate, etc., to get very, very clear on an independent affirmation of the clearly important cause of feminism, which has its own teeming archive of horrendous stories of abuse, trauma and death after another that is so well known that it is assumed that this doesn't need to be mentioned in order to say "but also", "yes, and", or "these other things as well". The same goes, of course, for racism; from slavery, to ongoing police and other brutalities, to countless stories of whole lives spent under the boot of racial inequality, it is needful to also critique minority cultures both from within and without, while at the same time staving off being taken as retrograde by being very clear on simplistic racism: it is indeed quite wrong.

But the cognitive bigotry that lies behind this problematic is, perhaps necessarily, slower to come into view. This bigotry, both limited by the wealth of the Internet and yet fed by its TL/DR mentality, keeps too many running for cover as its short tempered, intolerant, thoughtless, impatient, reductive and ultimately mentally obese and cartoonish sensibility and demands has its way with issue after issue. In a way, it ultimately is a kind of background, determining tyrant that has yet to be adequately challenged. For my part, I do so in part with a long, comment such as this, with its run-on sentences reminiscent of the long sentences of Arendt, in sheer, deliberate defiance and let me report heartfelt outrage.

Just how extensive this tyranny really is I think has yet to begin to emerge. For those of us who have seen the ravages of simplification, reductive argument, the culture of collateral damage, which is the perfect manifestation of simplification and cognitive limitation, no cause is more important.

BaSiiCzxX · 2012-02-14T10:50:32+00:00

No matter what there is always going to be irrational people. Just be better then them and remember to never feed the trolls!

LazarWulf · 2012-02-14T15:38:30+00:00

If that jackass had a father, he would smack him upside his head.

eskachig · 2012-02-14T08:44:36+00:00

Nobody here will acknowledge that this is satire making fun of /r/mensrights accusing anyone and everyone of rampant misandry? I must say, you all have missed the plot.

imightlikeyou · 2012-02-14T11:04:32+00:00

All this has convinced me to volunteer time working for a local pro-life organization. Not that I particularly give a shit about abortion. As zed says, hate bounces.

Feminists are truly nasty things, mocking men whose genitals have been mutilated, among other things. The pro-life movement where I live is well-funded and well-connected. This seems to me the only way I can strike back.

2012-02-14T16:10:34+00:00

This guy would make Mengele and Goebbels cringe. On the upside, he is insanely terrified of men. Lets promote him and his views so we can trip him up later. Anyone?

Sin2K · 2012-02-14T15:58:10+00:00

SRS writes what is quite literally, the craziest shit they can come up with and you poor bastards believe it. That's beyond trolling, it's as bad as lawmakers quoting the onion.

RobotAnna · 2012-02-14T06:47:21+00:00

a+ impressive grandstanding and willful misrepresentation of those against your idiotic joke of a movement, would not read again

2012-02-14T06:35:24+00:00

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PlasticPaddy1 · 2012-02-15T01:29:50+00:00

SRS is awful but it seems like it's a race to the bottom between MRA and SRS. Both of you act shitty and do more harm than good.

I would hope that you don't allow SRS behavior damage your views on feminism. Rigid gender roles negatively effect men in many ways and in that regard feminists are our allies.

Don't let SRSs impotent whining and lazy half-assed trolling cloud your judgment. Feminism HELPS men! :)

masgrada · 2012-02-14T07:01:16+00:00

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dangerpantz · 2012-02-15T05:22:15+00:00

The guy who wrote that article is clueless. The points he makes for why Men's Rights isn't ridiculous is itself evidence that Men's Rights is ridiculous.

Over 28,000 men this year alone will commit suicide What the fuck does this have to do with Men's Rights? Did they commit suicide because they didn't have rights? This is mostly an economic and class issue.

About 4,200 men will be killed in a work related accident Again, work safety issue. Still not seeing how this relates to Men's Rights. Human Rights issue, certainly. Also more women in the workforce = less men getting injured. So doesn't feminism benifit men here more than men's rights?

Over 14,000 men this year will become the victim of a homicide Yes. And the perpetrator will most likely be another man.

There are over 8 million unemployed men in the US This is an economic and class issue again. You can blame the unemployment numbers on the careless practices of unregulated banks... run by men.

Men only make up about 41% of college enrollees Because men are choosing not to go to college. Mostly because they're poor. Again... economic and class issue. There are no stumbling blocks in front of men gaining education that aren't there for women as well.

Over 230,000 men will be sleeping on the streets tonight, with no shelter to go to. Seriously. Why is this guy harping about income inequality like it's a men's issue and not a human rights and class/economic justice issue.

Men are dying about 6 years earlier than women. Black men's life expectancy is barely 70 years compared to white women at 80.6 years Women have always lived longer than men on average. Even when women had no rights and men ran everything. This is genetics. Nothing to do with rights at all.

For the exact same crimes, men will spend an average of 3.14 years more behind bars than women. This is the only relevant point he makes. It's true and it's total shit that this happens. Though there are some states where women routinely get harsher sentencing for the same crime. That aside, most feminists agree that it sucks and that women should get equal sentencing to men and not sentencing them equally presumes the woman is either weak or not responsible for her actions.

Over 2,000,000 men will be incarcerated at any given point in the US, overwhelmingly for non-violent offenses Again. This is a legal issue that has nothing to do with men's rights. His problem is that people are going to jail for committing crimes? So if someone steals your car and sells it to a chop shop (a non violent crime) they shouldn't go to jail?

About 50,000 men are sitting in a US jail, who fell behind in their child support, most because they couldn't find work Again. Another social justice issue. This is a human rights issue and a legal flaw to jail the unemployed when they can't make child support. Unless he's suggesting that men shouldn't be required to support their child, then this isn't a men's rights issue. This is a criminal justice system issue.

About 180,000 men will be raped and sexually assaulted in prison this year alone Yeah. By other men.

Title	The ugly truth behind the anti-men's rights crusade
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Upvotes	290
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Date	February 14, 2012 2:27 AM UTC (14 years ago)
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