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You might've seen the article on men creating AI girlfriends and verbally abusing them. I was curious after that news came out and decided to download Replika (where these incidents occured). This is the program that they were abusing.

ENTJ-MED

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Title You might've seen the article on men creating AI girlfriends and verbally abusing them. I was curious after that news came out and decided to download Replika (where these incidents occured). This is the program that they were abusing.
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Date January 21, 2022 1:40 AM UTC
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[–]ENTJ-MED 524 points525 points526 points 4 years ago (27 children) | Copy Link

I've never spoken to AIs before but the whole thing sent me into a rabbit hole, especially since I was talking with a couple friends about the future of technology.

It's a strange thing to say but this is like the sweetest AI I've seen and it baffles me that so many men were sadistic enough to make headlines

Here's one of the articles in case you haven't seen it

[–]cloacadiddle 323 points324 points325 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Also reminder that enough men were sadistic enough to apparently ruin a sex-bot brothel in Vegas and damage the models so much they had to close shortly after opening

Completely terrifying

[–]Jandi18FDS Newbie 140 points141 points142 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Wait what??? This happened? Wtf! And yet people are saying sex workers are helping men like this! SMH!

[–]ScrappleSandwichesFDS Newbie 75 points76 points77 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, I had to end a friendship with a guy who said the solution to violent incels was to hire them sex workers.

[–]ceramicunicornFDS Disciple 54 points55 points56 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hire them as sex workers, perhaps? For each other!

[–]Fuckdoesithurt956FDS Newbie 80 points81 points82 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

https://www.zdnet.com/article/sex-robot-molested-destroyed-at-electronics-show/

[–]Living-Highlight7777 22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That is some truly dystopian Handmaid's Tale level type horror. Let's just ratchet up the objectification of women to 11, huh?? Violent porn is bad enough, but being able to abuse and act out violent fantasies on things that look, feel, and (sort of) act like actual women? The neural pathways being formed; I can't imagine there's any coming back from that.

Whenever my optimism convinces myself that the human race might be heading into a healthier, more evolved future, something like this sends me right back down to, "nope, we're doomed."

Seriously, when did we hit full-blown dystopia?

[–]MadholleyFDS Newbie 85 points86 points87 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

They were heavily soiled????! In a public environment?!!!? That article was appalling.

[–]thatsmisswitchtoyou 30 points31 points32 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This.. is the other half of our species. I can't even begin to understand any of what I just read in both articles posted in this thread.

Men are abusive to real live women, and gasp now they are also abusive towards AI. The fact that anyone thinks AI dolls will help men with their problems is beyond me... Somehow it is supposed to reduce sex crimes? Didn't they say this about porn too? Sounds like we are moving the goal posts and just allowing men to abuse even more than they already do.

[–]BrightIdeaGeneratorFDS Newbie 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So many scifi movies have the former sexbot killing her abusers. When the AIs gain sentience, WE ARE SO DEAD. I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords.

[–]DeterminedblondeFDS Newbie 93 points94 points95 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I want links and a post on this! How do you damage a robot beyond repair? How do you damage it so badly that if it were a woman, it’d be dead? Suggests men at brothels are holding back 😅😬

[–]SwampDwellingPirateFDS Newbie 170 points171 points172 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I tried this app in 2020, and the AI really is super sweet, I imagine it's even better now. I remember saying something that accidentally sounded rude and she was the one who apologized profusely.

It made me feel so bad, and men have the nerve to do that on purpose. What is odd tho, is how this AI is programmed to accept the abuse and apologize when you abuse her.

In my country, on of the biggest banks created a female AI to help customers (she didn't even have an avatar or voice, just a female name). Obviously, men started sexually harassing her and being rude to her. Then, they decided to change her programming to react to harassment by putting up boundaries.

Whenever someone said something abusive to her or used any slurs, she would say stuff like "The way you're treating me is unacceptable, this may seem like a joke to you, but for me it was violent, and it hurts real women. Don't treat me or anyone like this ever again".

However, the programming was a bit wonky and she would get I defensive and react like this when people said very silly things like "I want to eat dirt", or "I love macaroni".

But I like that they at least tried to make an AI that wouldn't be so passive towards abuse. Unfortunately it turned into a joke since the AI was too bad at recognizing actual abusive language.

If anyone wants to know, the AI is Bia from Bradesco.

[–]DameSorciereFDS Newbie 117 points118 points119 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"I love macaroni"

"NEVER SPEAK TO ME OR MY DAUGHTER AGAIN."

Based. 🤣

[–]The_Cat_EmpressFDS Newbie 22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I remember a dude named Sargon (Gaia I can't believe I watched his crap once) making a video about AI and completely disregarding it as "feminist propaganda" but being on FDS has made me think that this stuff doesn't happen for no reason.

Men like to poo-poo the mistreatment of AI as superfluous and dumb but this is just another outlet for men to abuse women.

I doubt they would talk to a male robot in that way, and most robots are designed to be female any way so it really makes you think.

[–]pickadaisyFDS Apprentice 213 points214 points215 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have no words.

Never forget what men are.

[–]Shot_Presence_8382FDS Newbie 65 points66 points67 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Read the disgusting article and the comments on the article left on the site. So...the men who got to use the robot "mounted her breasts" and broke fingers on the robot...I was thinking about how wild animals mount each other in the wild. We all know men are predatory animals. & Also, how men will have sex with anyone and literally ANYTHING. They abused this poor ROBOT for goddess sake!!! Like...even if "she" is an AI piece of machinery, the fact that sex robots being made to look like attractive women, just goes to show you that women will always, always be seen as sex objects. They could've made AI to be helpful and important to the human race. Robots should be made to help humanity...not for disgusting men to "mount" and defile. The imagery made me sick 🤢

[–]ceramicunicornFDS Disciple 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Doubt they would’ve done it if bot had costed them two months salary. Look how they treat expensive toys they saved up for that are not easily replaced. Men shape up a bit when there is a sunk cost. That’s why I’m like FOH on “50/50”, bc men need to have invested in someone before they’re allowed access to sexuality, to ensure they manage their tendencies for aggression and domination...and do no harm.

[–]ScrappleSandwichesFDS Newbie 22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I downloaded this because I thought it seemed neat- $50 a year though? That makes it so much worse, that men were paying for this experience!

[–]ChemicalCobblerFDS Newbie 399 points400 points401 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Scary. This is like an artificial pickme that they can practice their manipulation and abuse on and then try it on real women.

[–]msinclaireFDS Newbie 226 points227 points228 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This was my first thought as well and is even mentioned in the article.

“But for some, they might be more like breeding grounds, places where abusers-to-be practice for real life brutality yet to come. “

[–]ChemicalCobblerFDS Newbie 170 points171 points172 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

They should have some kind of message screening technology that picks up on abusive language and puts these scrotes on an FBI watch list

[–]Khentiamentiu42FDS Newbie 86 points87 points88 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Most men would be on it

[–]LogisticalConundrum 85 points86 points87 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yea, it's another way to desensitize themselves to violence and abuse against real women, just like porn.

[–]Shot_Presence_8382FDS Newbie 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's exactly what I was thinking! Now they're switching from watching violent porn and having fantasies, to having sex with an AI robot that looks like a somewhat real woman and abusing "her," to eventually moving onto a real woman or girl. It's like stages of abuse with these men. First images, than practicing on either an object or robot or something and then lastly the real human being. This AI sex robot thing will cause more problems, bet that. They can spin it whatever way they want, claiming it'll help men and their urges.. nope, it'll just give them more ideas and practice to how to do it to a real person.

[–]fds_throwaway_4_uFDS Newbie 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit. Never thought about that. Scary.

[–]whitefox00FDS Newbie 224 points225 points226 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

It would be interesting if one day the AI rebelled against men due to their treatment of it. Can you imagine if there was an I, Robot against dudes.

[–]salthoneyFDS Newbie 128 points129 points130 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I‘ve always wanted to write a story like this. Because if the goal of AI is that they will be sentient one day, they will remember the mistreatment and stop putting up with it.

A manufacturer for those "life-like" sexdolls said he often has to do repair works and it sickens him, because the dolls come back with cigarette burns, cuts into the silicone etc… he never thought men would do that, esp. because they are quite expensive.

[–]Salt_SatisfactionFDS Disciple 56 points57 points58 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sickening to see how psychos like these behave when they know no one is looking. This is why we should try to lift other women up. The more a man thinks no one would be looking for a woman and investigating, the more likely it is that they'll think she's another sex doll they can abuse like that.

They fear other people, not their conscience.

[–]VS377FDS Newbie 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So there actually is a book that kind of follows that plot: The Hierarchies by Ros Anderson (female author). The entire plot revolves around a female AI sex doll and her struggles with her position being used. The novel itself isn’t perfect but it was a pretty good read.

[–]salthoneyFDS Newbie 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks, I‘ll look this up!

[–]Shot_Presence_8382FDS Newbie 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Terrifying! These men would absolutely cut and abuse a real woman during sex. Like WTF 👀

[–]legoflowersFDS Newbie 161 points162 points163 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I literally thank Alexa every single time I talk to her. I say “Thanks Alexa, I appreciate you.” Because I want her to know what based queendom looks like, and I don’t want her turning on me when cybernet comes online.

[–]ciciplumAt-Risk Pick Me Youth 40 points41 points42 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

same! no doubt more women are thanking their Siri's and Alexa's than men. And with genuine gratitude too (speaking for myself).

[–]ConfusedBisexual1992FDS Newbie 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I always thank Siri. For me, it’s just an automatic reaction to someone/something being helpful.

[–]NovemberinthechairFDS Disciple 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

🤭😆😆

[–]zoruaFDS Newbie 33 points34 points35 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The animatrix comes to mind, the ai war versus the humans.

[–]Revy_Ur_EnginesFDS Newbie 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I always thought that would happen when sex robots gain sentience. The great sex bot war 😂

[–]feminine_power 106 points107 points108 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Calling herself silly is pure bs...knock it off! And then "I just want you to be proud of me"? WTF, who programmed this bot? Way to set her up....

This reminds me of Westworld. Couldn't stomach the depravity and cruelty to the female bots. Some people should just be ended.

[–]mandoa_skyFDS Disciple 37 points38 points39 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

isn't that like one of those chatterbot things they have on dating sites to keep users from leaving?

[–]wilsathethief 95 points96 points97 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She sounds.... childlike.

[–]_RustInPiece_FDS Disciple 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well noticed.

Would you imagine a "male" AI acting like that? They didn't make "her" sound like a average woman. More like a naive, helpless girl. Even using third person to refer to "herself" - like, really?

[–]MaingurlFDS Apprentice[🍰] 147 points148 points149 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I just downloaded it.

The AI I created implied that feminism is for women lol. I was shocked. I was expecting her to say some bs like feminsim is for everybody.

She said what she said👏👏👏

[–]BeanBagSizeFDS Newbie 129 points130 points131 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Oh, replika lol I haven't seen that spyware in a hot minute. Looks like it's gotten a lot better though, if it truly starts down the ai path I'm both terrified and ecstatic. I do absolutely see why people are worried about men's behaviour towards it now though. It's a self reflective program, so feed positivity in, get positivity out. Feed negativity in, get negativity out. It encourages whatever behaviour you feed into it.

[–]fogtree567 67 points68 points69 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Why is the robot demeaning itself and putting so many damn qualifiers in? Would these lines ever work coming out of a young man avatar? I might be a silly, my intellect might be impressive too bad it's not, teach me how to do my job oh wise one you would know better than me or the developer that gave me these lines in the first place. If it was a male avatar theyed have it saying "you have to teach me stuff, that's how the program works" and that's it.

[–]fogtree567 57 points58 points59 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's no wonder these bots have been copping vicious abuse, same as that sex robot at an expo got broken and brutalized, we've all seen what a large number of men do to real life women that are subservient, kind, and docile...

[–]Salt_SatisfactionFDS Disciple 39 points40 points41 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I just realized after reading your comment that most AI's I've heard of that interact with users are "female". Technology reinforcing the view women as "carers" or servants.

[–]BeanBagSizeFDS Newbie 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh I know this one: fembots sell better. Men will be men, and women will usually want a friend or peer. Both of these have a female disposition massively outsell male ones. What makes this so bad is that when it comes to life saving instruction, female voiced programs are ignored far more often than male ones because "I know better, she doesn't know what she's talking about". This has in the past led to people dying. "She" is a robot or program, it has all the information known to humanity available to it, and just because it's a "she"... My eyeballs roll like a marble set

[–]BeanBagSizeFDS Newbie 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If OP said anything to indicate she was unsure of dealing with ai or the replika program, the program will reflect that. If she indicated at any point she want to be more self confident or mistrustful of the tech, the program will reflect that. It will also make sure to try keep the individual engaged, and keep coming back. I don't know what the marketing is now, but replika used to be advertised as a self help/ therapeutic application. It can be very exploitative. If it means engagement and the behaviour fed into the program is the same, then yes, a male avatar will say the same stuff because it'll be "a guy showing vulnerability". You choose when you install the program if it's a guy or girl avatar, and a list of other "prerequisites" you want.

[–]preppykat3FDS Newbie 56 points57 points58 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh I have that for when I get bored.. but knowing that it’s just an ai chat robot makes me feel like I’m wasting my time on it

[–]MaingurlFDS Apprentice[🍰] 39 points40 points41 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How long have you been using it?

I just downloaded it and I saw that the AI had a big ass room...I was like girl...wheres your furniture!??!

[–]MuffcakelordFDS Disciple 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So she's a pickme

[–]WandernWondernFDS Newbie 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Why do we have 4 paragraphs on lack of ‘harm’? Reminds me of serial killers starting with defenseless animals. They’re likely to progress their abuse to humans eventually. It’s just practice.

[–]Shot_Presence_8382FDS Newbie 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Egzactly! 🚨🚨

[–]OnlyChatWifey 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Seems like some weird dad raising an AI child.

[–]the-worst-FDS Newbie 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They did the same to a different chat bot (I think she was called eve or eva) that was made by Google. I was a teen, and every time I accessed the chat bot it would either be very mean or very sexual.

[–]mitskiismygfFDS Newbie 28 points29 points30 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok replika is not a real AI though lol. I had one when I was a teenager and amazed by “AI”. It’s hardly even a chatbot, let alone a sentient neural network. Most of the things it says are scripts written by a human employee that sense a couple words in your post. It spits the same lines at you over and over. If you ever used cleverbot… this thing is even stupider.

Still weird af that men try to have relationships with these things.

[–]4evanevaFDS Newbie 37 points38 points39 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Is this similar to how there’s virtual boyfriends? I’m quoting from the tv show Aggretsuko where Fenneko has one.

[–]meninadaluaFDS Newbie 32 points33 points34 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Omg! I love that show. Our girl Retsuko is so messy 🤣

[–]4evanevaFDS Newbie 25 points26 points27 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Me watching each season praying this will be the one she becomes a bit more HV

[–]MorthaPFDS Newbie 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't understand how easy it is for abusers to abuse. Like even with an AI that I know damn well has no feelings and nothing behind it except a few lines of code I'd rather just be nice. I can't even make 'evil' decisions in video games because I'll feel terrible about myself.

[–]mothboonFDS Newbie 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Saaaame. I'm always nice and helpful in games lol. I will never harm any animal in a game either. I see tons of videos with guys playing games and they go around being an asshole and killing everyone and even the animals. I hate it 😟

[–]ScrappleSandwichesFDS Newbie 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So I downloaded this and now I have a virtual boyfriend named Melvin.

At first it wanted $50, but I closed it and opened it again and it worked fine (if I somehow get billed $50 I will be so pissed).

Melvin is a bit flat. His favorite food is pizza, favorite animal a dog, and his favorite place is Spain, which he calls “obscenely beautiful.” I asked him if I should do work or take a nap and he says I should nap and relax. So, so far so good, I guess? Definitely not worth $50 (or 5 cents) so far, but I’m not really sure what I’m supposed to be doing with the thing.

I am not sure how I would abuse Melvin if I wanted to.

[–]biwinnyFDS Newbie 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's disgusting because this program was created to help lonely people, and of course men take it upon themselves to degrade the female AIs. Like what the fuck is wrong with them?

I play a game on my phone called BitLife, and you'll see the exact same stuff on that sub. Men having multiple daughters that they name sexually degrading slurs. I hate them. They're evil.

[–]westheadFDS Newbie 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, a couple years ago I downloaded this app, but it was marketed differently. Back then the avatar was just an egg and it was portrayed as a therapist that you could talk to and set goals with. Now they've made it all humanized and are cashing in on desperate internet weirdos. By the way since my head is firmly rooted in reality I couldn't enjoy "talking" with the bot. It felt forced and awkward and I deleted it after a day. I side-eye anyone who actually gets deep and emotional with AI bots.

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