Modern women are choosing the lesser of two evils

6negative4 · 2022-02-15T19:58:34+00:00

Lol. It’s not “arrogant” to say that you would not cheat. Believe it or not, some men are in control of their horniness.

just_a_place · 2022-02-15T18:26:22+00:00

The point is that men SHOULD NOT fault women for picking the lesser of two evils and becoming boss babes who fuck chad.

There is a deeply fundamental problem with this approach: You are punishing the actual good guys here!

The chads of the words already agree with you, they believe in more power to you in this endeavor because it means less weight off their back. But the glaring flaw here is that those men who are not chad, the ones who actually have the intention of being loyal and faithful to a woman are the ones getting the brunt of women's vendetta against chad. So what's gonna happen? The good men are going to say "fuck this" and be forced to take a leaf from Chad's playbook which is why Red Pill Game is exploding across the board.

All you are accomplishing here is rewarding Chad and telling the rest of the male population to be like Chad!

ashpr0ulx · 2022-02-15T15:15:07+00:00

there are plenty of good, honest men in the world who want to or have wives they love and cherish.

it’s not the lesser of two evils, imo. there are shitty men out there yes, but it’s easier than ever to be a financially independent woman and marry for love and compatibility.

Elliejq88 · 2022-02-15T16:58:13+00:00

"All the dudes here saying I WOULD NEVER CHEAT will have a hard time saying that when they're 40 and the 20 year old secretary won't stop aggressively hitting on you"

This may be hard for you to fathom, some people dont think like this in relationships due to morals and integrity. I had these fears in the past with wrong men I dated. They were misogynistic and I picked up on the signs.

Your post is only relevant for those without morals/integrity.

effeteintellectual · 2022-02-15T14:41:07+00:00

How are women so scared of men leaving them and yet women initiate 70% of divorces? That doesn’t make sense. Women have higher SMV, more options and can immediately get sex after leaving their partner.

Women fuck Chad because they’re turned on by him. It’s not some mathematical probability risk assessment.

gopher_glitz · 2022-02-16T14:28:07+00:00

The percentage of 40 year old dudes who have attractive year olds pursuing them is laughably low.

TheEternalGhost · 2022-02-15T22:13:52+00:00

understand that marriage has ALWAYS been a gamble for women

Life is a gamble. Practically every decision we make is a gamble because none of us can see into the future. We all just try to play the odds.

The point is that men SHOULD NOT fault women for picking the lesser of two evils and becoming boss babes who fuck chad.

Women can do whatever they like, but men shouldn't bail these women out from their choices once they reach their 30's and decide to secure a beta male to have babies with. Men should make women choose between gambling on marriage in their 20's or trading it in for boss status and being alone when Chad doesn't want them anymore.

But I'm not arrogant enough to sit here and pretend it's impossible that I'd cheat.

I'm not promoting cheating, but why would your wife have to destroy her life just because you cheated?

dysonRing · 2022-02-15T16:30:45+00:00

All the dudes here saying I WOULD NEVER CHEAT will have a hard time saying that when they're 40 and the 20 year old secretary won't stop aggressively hitting on you. If you've never gotten real female attention then don't pretend you know how you'd respond.

Women have been giving me attention since my teens, I still have not cheated (as in fucked another woman while in an exclusive relationship)

That said women still have an upper hand over me in the potential to cheat department, she can just ask a guy of the street for NSA sex. I sure as hell can't do that. (not to mention she will always know her kid is hers until paternity tests are mandatory).

So as a result I do have abundance mentality, it is not as easy but I know my options and they are there for my own mental health.

Maleficent_West5812 · 2022-02-15T16:35:33+00:00

Both sides are in an arms race where unfortunately, nobody can both trust and get what they want.

Which is a good thing. It will lead to less interaction. Less interaction between the genders is good for both genders. Just see how men and women here complain about the opposite gender.

If they hate dislike the opposite gender so much then why do they interact with the opposite gender so much?

Isolation is the only peace in this "arms race".

If you're a guy who's anti marriage, then understand that marriage has ALWAYS been a gamble for women, because of biology.

Then why are women more eager to marry than men are? Women should stop marrying if it is so much of a risk for them.

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ChibsFilipTelfordd · 2022-02-15T20:52:50+00:00

All the dudes here saying I WOULD NEVER CHEAT will have a hard time saying that when they're 40 and the 20 year old secretary won't stop aggressively hitting on you. If you've never gotten real female attention then don't pretend you know how you'd respond.

I get plenty of female attention, and was faithful to my exs. Even when I got attention from women more attractive than my ex I didn't take the opportunity.

You are wrong.

Number 2 is correct though. Everyone should be financially independent

Boompa22 · 2022-02-15T15:38:16+00:00

Hope their man will never stray ever 2. Be financially indepdent so if he does stray she can leave/protect herself 3. Marry wealthy so even if he does trade up, she's still taken care of

You act as if these things are 100% unavoidable. Men don't cheat if they are getting their needs met at home. The majority of Men cheat because of a lack of sex at home. That's literally it.

All the dudes here saying I WOULD NEVER CHEAT will have a hard time saying that when they're 40 and the 20 year old secretary won't stop aggressively hitting on you.

If he is getting his balls drained at home this wont be an issue.

The point is that men SHOULD NOT fault women for picking the lesser of two evils and becoming boss babes who fuck chad.

No one is stopping you from doing this. You're free to do whatever you want. Just don't be surprised if you never get commitment from chad or from dudes who don't want someone with a sexual history.

Also, I don't want to hear how women have it tougher in marriage when alimony, child custody, 50/50 splitting all favors the woman currently. On top of it you keep talking about how men can leave at anytime and yet 70% of divorces are initiated by women.

Jakes1967 · 2022-02-15T15:52:41+00:00

People on both sides of each culture are trying their best to minimize risk, knowing that as long as the other person has leverage over them, there's a possibility of getting screwed.

As they have for generations.

If you're a guy who's anti marriage, then understand that marriage has ALWAYS been a gamble for women, because of biology.

So explain the single mothers.

This is a shit sandwich for women.

Compared to the breeze for men?🤣

The point is that men SHOULD NOT fault women for picking the lesser of two evils and becoming boss babes who fuck chad.

Why not? Especially if she's looking for a relationship, as borne out by almost every successful single "boss babe".

Its LOWER RISK and its STILL RISKY. Guys in the manosphere who tell women that being traditional will solve their problems are cringe.

It's a suggestion, not a mandate.

I don't know if I could ever be faithful to just one woman forever, even if she was the mother of my kids.

So you're biased?

Both sides are in an arms race where unfortunately, nobody can both trust and get what they want.

Firstly it's a game of chicken, against kamikazes.

Secondly, says who? Most men of means get exactly what they want, whereas many women of means definitely don't.

Potential_Respond224 · 2022-02-15T15:59:05+00:00

I don't fault these women for looking out for their best interests. I just want them to acknowledge that looking out for one's best interests is inherently selfish.

TRP is correctly lambasted as inherently selfish, or at least suggesting selfish strategies. But women, who themselves are acting selfishly, will lambast men for acting selfishly, like they aren't?!

That they're selfish while we're good people thinking, is still inherently part of the arms race. So I'll call it out when I see it.

wtknight · 2022-02-15T15:34:29+00:00

I personally think that it’s better to love and get burned than it is to close oneself off to love and just live through physical pleasure. That’s what choosing to just have meaningless sex with high value men is, and it’s just sad to me.

Men who just choose younger women just because they are younger aren’t really in love either. It’s not like men can’t be hurt, either. Women can easily branch swing, or just decide that they’re tired of being married.

But through all this, I think that the emotional rewards of trying are worth the pain of it potentially not working out, so I think that it’s more “evil” to not even try to pursue romance.

Gari_305 · 2022-02-15T18:06:23+00:00

If you're a guy who's anti marriage, then understand that marriage has ALWAYS been a gamble for women, because of ~~biology~~.

You mean legal system u/BecretAlbatross no fault divorce, Men don't want to put their wallets in a vice like that there.

geyges · 2022-02-15T14:43:36+00:00

The possibility of a guy leaving you for a younger model ALWAYS exists

Not always. Just a date a man with no options.

Fearless_Abrocoma_19 · 2022-02-15T17:30:22+00:00

If women are worried about men who struggled early on the solution would be to not be promiscous and when you get older give the low value men a chance. We know that women are only with us because there options are running out and they wont treat us like kings so we wont treat them like queens.

Or spread some of the wealth around most guys wont reject promiscous women they have history themselves, if I had history a womens past wouldn't matter butbI don't so it does.

lostwanderer28 · 2022-02-15T17:44:10+00:00

No, marriage since ever always was in favor of women. As a man you literally need to be the whole package to be able to marry. God forbid you have flaws. Yes, I am exaggerating to drive the point across, don't get jingled up so fast.

Do you think men want to stick to one partner only? If they could men would be banging left and right, brunettes, blondes, dark skinned, fair skinned, chubby, thin, athletic, fit, muscly, big breasted, small breasted, big assed, small assed, big lipped and thin lipped women. The list just keeps going on, european women, eastern european women, north american women, south american women, asians, african and so on. Men in fact did this since the beginning of time. Before marriage men shared women as well. One man got to bang at least 5 or more women. Of course the men who weren't powerful enough to be in such a position were just left out, just peasants, nothing but cannon fodder.

If you don't believe me just look at what is going on today. One man literally gets to bang tens, hundreds and thousands of different women. Look at Harvey Weinstein. Look at Charlie Sheen. Look at Epstein. These are just the more prominent examples. Do you believe these are the only ones? Think about it, they didn't even get properly punished for their immoral crimes. What do you think about the "small" fish who haven't been seen yet on the big screen? They are there and bang tens, hundreds and thousands of women. A serious proper marriage would bind them to one woman only. When I say marriage I am certainly not talking about cuckolding or wife swapping or whatever. I am talking about proper real marriage.

Admittedly there are a few men who prioritize monogamy, but if they don't have power, money and attractiveness their desire for monogamy means literally nothing. It simply has no value at all.

Men who PREVIOUSLY DIDNT have status can gain status in their 30s/40s and STILL CHEAT. All the dudes here saying I WOULD NEVER CHEAT will have a hard time saying that when they're 40 and the 20 year old secretary won't stop aggressively hitting on you. If you've never gotten real female attention then don't pretend you know how you'd respond.

What on earth? Why would that happen at all? Why would 20 year old somethings hit on 40 year old wrinkled dudes?

gimpgirl555 · 2022-02-15T21:15:57+00:00

The point is that men SHOULD NOT fault women for picking the lesser of two evils and becoming boss babes who fuck chad.

Then women should not blame men for dating younger women once they get more money/resources.

If you're not willing to take chance on love, then you can't blame men for exercising their options.

goatismycopilot · 2022-02-15T17:12:47+00:00

I do not see how trying to have some financial independence whatever that is supposed to look like is a shit sandwich.

Drive-By-Cuckers · 2022-02-15T19:19:25+00:00

Everyone should be financially independent. Be a boss babe or a boss bro. nobody wants to hang out with people that don’t have high aspirations

As for relationships, it doesn’t matter whether you wanna fuck around or be committed nobody should judge you either way. Personally I have tried both mentalities but I find placing my full trust in anyone terrifying

Devourer_of_felines · 2022-02-15T20:49:56+00:00

But placing your trust in a man not to stray is dumb. I don't know if I could ever be faithful to just one woman forever, even if she was the mother of my kids. I THINK I could. But I'm not arrogant enough to sit here and pretend it's impossible that I'd cheat.

Because YOU personally can't be trusted to stay loyal, therefore men as a whole can't be depended on? I dunno what could possibly change your views there.

Both sides are in an arms race where unfortunately, nobody can both trust and get what they want.

So...don't get married if you cant trust your man/woman to stay faithful.

Puzzleheaded-Lab-165 · 2022-02-16T02:07:22+00:00

I had many beautiful women ask to sleep with me while I was marred. I stayed faithful even though my wife cheated. When women play the victim card it is a huge red flag of non stop manipulation will follow. Avoid these women at all cost. I forgave my wife for cheating for Christ forgave me.

Mrs_Drgree · 2022-02-16T14:36:10+00:00

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jverveslayer · 2022-02-16T17:32:23+00:00

I don't really think this is much of a gender issue.

Making big sacrifices and commitments to one person is always going to be a big risk. Things happen, people change.

I don't really consider a relationship a "waste" if I enjoyed it even though I had to end over the other person changing. I've never been cheated on, but even if it happened I don't think it would make me regret an otherwise positive relationship. Though it does suck to lose something you put a lot of effort into

But sacrificing your career or location for someone else or putting half of your net worth on the line are really big commitments that I don't really want to make and I'm not convinced are necessary to be in happy fulfilling relationships.

Frosty-Gate-8094 · 2022-02-16T19:13:10+00:00

I have said it multiple times on this forum and will say it again -- MONOGAMY IS A TRADE OFF.

Yes you correctly mentioned the risks women have when they engage in monogamy..

Let me enumerate the risks men have -- .

The woman cheating on him and passing the baby as his. (Paternity fraud).
She getting 'bored' or trading up with another dude, still screwing him up for half his net-worth and retirement savings.
She taking their kids and disappearing and he can never see his own kids again..

Now, you are right, men can abandon the woman and marry a younger girl.. But is it legally possible?
Not without the court ordering him to pay her a hefty settlement, lose 80% custody and pay alimony and/or child support.

Women are legally protected within marriage, or in common-law relationships..

But compare that with the risks to men I enlisted above.
Paternity fraud-- absolutely legal.
She abandons him -- he still pays.
She takes away the kids -- she gets the custody, he gets the bills (85% cases)

You see?
The risks of monogamy to women are legally remediable.
The risks to men are not, and even get double if he goes to the court.

The reason men don't want to get married is because, the institution of marriage isn't beneficial to men at all.

Yes, monogamy benefits both genders.
But the legally enforced version (marriage or common law) only protects women and punishes men.

That's why you see women advocating for marriage, whereas men totally against it..

(Note: I am talking about modern western legal version of marriage. How it was in 1950s is irrelevant to modern times. And religious version of marriage became obsolete the day no-fault divorce laws were passed.
If it isn't 'till death does us apart' it isn't religious version of marriage.).
(I also left out DV and sexual violence. But if you gonna bring them in, I ll also show how even that negatively affects men more than women)

Want2Grow27 · 2022-02-17T03:01:27+00:00

I feel like marriage is one of those things where opting out of it is difficult in the short term but absolute horrendous in the long term.

Like, I honestly wonder what's going to happen 40 years from now, when we have an entire generation of men and women who refused to marry or get together. The idea of being alone feels sweet in your 20s. But what about in your 50s, 60, 70s, and even 80s?

I personally think this whole MGTOW or WGTOW is gonna get ugly in a few decades.

Title	Modern women are choosing the lesser of two evils
Author	BecretAlbatross
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Date	February 15, 2022 1:06 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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