Women do not love men or sex. There's nothing wrong with them, its just human nature.

Valuable-Marzipan761 · 2022-09-14T19:03:49+00:00

How does any of this lead you to the conclusion that women don't love men or sex? What you said is mostly true, I just can't see any link between your text and the title.

For example, how does the fact women often moan to make a man finish faster lead you to believe that "PIV is literally irrelevant for their pleasure"?

bunnakay · 2022-09-14T18:49:20+00:00

Why do you think loving women for sex is a truer love?

poppy_blu · 2022-09-14T19:23:21+00:00

this is so far divorced from any semblance of reality.

tinasnow-poty · 2022-09-14T21:45:54+00:00

Personally I love men idk about y’all

Separate_Original390 · 2022-09-14T19:17:53+00:00

So you saw a study that says men like sex more than women, and deduced they don't like it at all?

Tell me you're shit in bed without telling me you're shit in bed.

poppy_blu · 2022-09-14T20:24:32+00:00

Well, we were kinda overdue for a “women do not love or fuck me therefore women don’t love men or sex” post.

AngaPhandaj · 2022-09-14T19:20:57+00:00

Yeah, sometimes I moan to encourage my partner to finish, because I’m fully satisfied, getting tired and also just love it when he cums, so it’s a cue to let him know he can let go and cum. My partners have usually tended to hold back until they are sure I’m satisfied, so I communicate that I am in different ways, including moaning or just using my words.

I have zero idea how you concluded that this is “weaponizing” sex, or that I don’t care about sex or my partner. It’s because I care about both sex and my partner that I make sure to be communicative with various vocalizations to let him know I’m satisfied and enjoying myself and desire him and want him to enjoy himself too.

As for whatever else in here that’s unrelated to your statement, I don’t know what to tell you except that I have loved men with every fibre of my being, loved them forever. And I have desired them, I have craved and loved sex with them, and have had sex in my life that has been an outright spiritual experience.

ruboyuri · 2022-09-14T20:39:29+00:00

Well, I guess it’s true, guys; you will never be loved or desired by a woman. Women hang around Chad because he has the best timeshares, not the best tingles

LadyofTheGreyPath · 2022-09-15T00:29:30+00:00

Women literally do not produce bonding hormones when they are with their partner.

To the men and women who argue about N counts and pair-bonding: Pack it up folks, the debate is over, doesn't matter if she's a virgin or a hoe with a body count of 500, women can't bond during sex. The debate has been solved once and for all /s

In all seriousness even I'm not this cynical and so far into the doom mentality.

2022-09-14T21:34:50+00:00

No offense to op but how did this get posted and my post didn't get through wtf is wrong with PPD

AstronautLoveShack · 2022-09-14T19:32:40+00:00

I, for one, absolutely love sex. Have it as often as possible - with my husband, who I also love. You must be damaged indeed to believe that women don't love sex or men.

risdeveau · 2022-09-14T19:16:06+00:00

I see nothing in your OP about love, but plenty about sex

Vronicasawyerredsded · 2022-09-15T00:01:15+00:00

If men love women so much why are so many women, especially pregnant woman, murdered by male domestic partners?

AssistTemporary8422 · 2022-09-15T02:18:24+00:00

Women weaponize sex because they are aware of how much it means to men. For example: 87% of women "moan" to get their partner to climax quicker or to boost their partner's self-esteem

Why is moaning to boost your partner's self-esteem or to stimulate his climax "weaponization"? Sounds like a good thing to me.

a woman will never have this intense desire for companionship

Just because won't don't pursue as much doesn't mean they don't want companionship a lot. Maybe they are afraid of initiating or being used for a hookup. And how do you know she doesn't want companionship much after the relationship or sex has happened?

Women will never tell men this because they want to have some power over men and they know that a man's pride when it comes to sex, is the perfect way to do it. Its a strategy.

Did your source say women don't tell men because they want to have power over him? What it's out of possible embarrassment if he knew the truth?

Why do you think women body shame men like belittling a man's dick size when PIV is literally irrelevant for their pleasure?

You don't have evidence all women do this, and many men body shame women.

Not a single research found that women's sex drives were even remotely comparable to men's

Thats on average. How about individual variation? What if men put in more work to emotionally get her in the mood and make sex enjoyable for her?

Further research showed that not only do women not have a desire for sex, but their oxytocin levels decrease when getting intimate with their partner

Maybe I misread your article, but it only said oxytocin levels go down for women during kissing, not sex and cuddling. Also it said her cortisol (stress) levels go down so its a good experience. And you need to also consider estrogen, dopamine, and serotonin.

So to make a long story short, sex is a means to an end for women and an end in itself for men.

You totally didn't establish that at all.

Females love males as tools

Where did you prove this? I'm confused.

the female will weaponize sex to get what they want from the male

I don't recall that being in the study you cited.

ZealousidealAd7191 · 2022-09-15T05:05:25+00:00

On a certain level (depending how you’re choosing to interpret the data) neither men nor women “love” one another we’re all just animals doing what animals do for the sake of the species. You’ve proven absolutely nothing.

Ohyarlysmiles · 2022-09-14T21:33:36+00:00

Men pursue, compete, fight, and sometimes even risk their lives in order to be with women, much like in nature.

Except in the documented species where females compete for males.

In no species does the female seek out or take any significant risks in order to be with a partner

Jacana, species of phalarope, and the spotted hyena....try wiki sometime.

Also just like in nature, a woman will never have this intense desire for companionship or a burning desire for sexual release like men do

You're using averages to issue absolutes, which is dead on arrival reasoning.

hostility_kitty · 2022-09-15T01:04:44+00:00

I have too big of a cum fetish to not like men

givesmeconniptionfit · 2022-09-15T00:24:29+00:00

That study essentially sums up what we already know: men consistently have higher sex drives than women. This does not mean women have no sex drive..

We do have ancient programming and follow mating strategies and behaviours similar to other animals (debatable, like Jordan Peterson's lobsters), but we're also one of two species that procreate for pleasure, mainly due to our capacity for awareness. We can consciously see that procreating creates pleasure, and we can choose to pursue that pleasure without procreating. The drive to do this is stronger in men as a byproduct of biology, but this does not necessarily mean one sex likes sex more.

You enter into a fallacy when you believe just because the biological drive is not as present, that the act is no longer enjoyable..

Women also derive their attraction differently from men. They are generally more interested in what piques mental stimulation, sparks their intuition. Fantasy, expectations and where their mental state is at can greatly influence how much women enjoy sex.

Women get horny.. Just like women crave food or experiences. People are generally attracted to what gives them pleasure, and drawn away from what gives pain. If someone is drawn away from you during sex, this may be an indication of something missing. Sometimes all that's missing is understanding

HobbitShaker88 · 2022-09-15T03:30:00+00:00

I agree with the 87% study you posted...however, thats because the average man is too selfish in bed to actually give the girl an orgasm or for a smaller % of women, they cannot orgasm easily. The majority of women do not orgasm from actual sex, but see thats the only thing men really care about. The rare man not like this usually does better in dating too...

BensonInFL · 2022-09-15T06:11:34+00:00

>Just like in nature, males love females as females. Females love males as tools and the female will weaponize sex to get what they want from the male. Its just how it is

A lot of your conjecture is gross oversimplification, however some is just plain wrong. You conflate love and sex, and never bother to even once mention 'relationships', which as an aside, is the most important thing that a man can weaponize in defense of weaponizing sex.

You mention that 'males love females as females', however many men 'love' females only for their body and sexual gratification, and if their access were to change, their 'love' would change very quickly.

>Women do not love men or sex. There's nothing wrong with them, its just human nature.

My experience contradicts your studies. I've been with women who wanted sex more frequently than me (multiple times per day), and I have had several girls who wrote me many love letters expressing their deep emotions for me (i.e. saying they can't live without me, etc.).

-B

EulenWatcher · 2022-09-15T07:08:00+00:00

First of all, sexual attraction != love. People created the concept of love, it isn't something that necessarily exist in the wild, but the closest "natural" concept is bonding which isn't necessarily sexual either. Most couples in the wild don't spend much time together, lots of species have males that have nothing to do with raising the offspring so they part their ways the moment after copulation. Human beings are different in this regard as well as some other social species living in close-knit communities.

Secondly, women enjoy and crave sex. Lesbians have the least amount of sex compared to other couples, but they still have it. A lot of women have reactive desire, sure, but it doesn't mean they don't enjoy or want to have sex.

Thirdly, what moaning has to do with your post? Women moan to signal to their partners that they're having a good time, that's not "weaponizing sex".

KirthWGersen · 2022-09-15T09:26:37+00:00

You need to go and have sex with 20 great women, then reassess and change your views.

This post is so divorced from the actual experience of having sex that it reads as if it were written by an alien studying humans from afar with no sense of what humans are actually like.

kalashhhhhhhh · 2022-09-15T10:01:49+00:00

Women have lower sex drives on average, for the 100th time.

But the rest of your conclusions crack me up, dude, you can cite however many studies you want, I know I get horny, I know I crave sex, I know I love my boyfriend. I hate this term, but you just tried to mansplain that I in fact do not get horny or feel love and closeness to my partner because male and female hormones respond differently in the same circumstances.

Using the Occam's razor, would it make more sense that the female body releases different hormones during arousal and bonding, rather than they don't feel those things for men at all. Seriously, almost any man could confirm that women love men and sex.

Also, if this was true (and it isn't), wouldn't casual sex be a lot more damaging for the man's psyche?

darkvalleys · 2022-09-14T21:52:51+00:00

Then why bother with relationships? We have jobs, yet still date men

PCSX217 · 2022-09-15T03:44:39+00:00

Eh I moan to make them finish quicker when I'm bored and wana do something else or starting to dry up, not getting any build up. I also moan so I don't risk having to coddle them when they're upset they're not "getting me there." Sometimes, I don't know why piv doesn't feel good. Sometimes it's mood, stress, dick size, but I don't wana make someone else sad and feel guilty for something I can't control. So you fabricate and everyone wins. He's happy, and I don't need to answer 20 questions about why his dick doesn't feel magical. It's not weaponization lol

Post-Posadism · 2022-09-14T22:21:50+00:00

The way we understand "love" is inescapably human, and even highly subjective and variable within humanity. There is no use trying to universalise love or tie it to some sort of pseudo-evolutionary metanarrative, because the ways we love and express that love for other human beings is neither instinctual nor uniform, rather an interpretative reflection of other socially experienced and observed phenomena.

As for sex drive: as a grey-ace man myself, I can guarantee that there are women who exist, who have a much higher sex drive than I do. So evidently this isn't uniform either; one can only speak in terms of vague averages and generalities, which begs the question why gender would be considered a deciding factor instead of looking for variables that correlate more closely to those levels.

coconutcasserole · 2022-09-14T23:53:35+00:00

They definitely love sex, you’re just conflating the two by taking your life experiences personally thus far

AngaPhandaj · 2022-09-15T06:49:21+00:00

women want sex just not with u

D_D_BA4 · 2022-09-14T22:27:14+00:00

Excellent post. All true, won't even read the predictable denials.

anon-sucks · 2022-09-15T07:35:11+00:00

The only thing women love is themselves and status. Even the height issue with them is all about bragging rights between women.

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A1Dilettante · 2022-09-15T03:43:54+00:00

Love is a choice dude. Emotions and hormones are fickle. Conviction and action are concrete. I rather base love off the latter and not neurotransmitters.

PerceptionMediocre46 · 2022-09-15T14:22:31+00:00

I think the argument that women do not love men is kinda unnecessary to argue. However the loving sex part, I am sure women really love sex, even more than men.

Think about it: it is mostly a relaxing experience as the burden of performance very rarely lies on the woman. They have several different kinds of orgasms one after another with varying duration, intensity and experience. They can go for hours and they hold the stage in terms of what is considered a satisfying experience more often than not.

Compare that to the male sexual experience and you can see how women love it way more. They just have different societal pressures around it and actual fear for their life if things go south, so they have to be careful.

Peacesquad · 2022-09-17T00:59:22+00:00

Lmao what is this

Title	Women do not love men or sex. There's nothing wrong with them, its just human nature.
Author	AngaPhandaj
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Date	September 14, 2022 6:43 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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