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[–]flibbidy_floob 915 points916 points917 points 4 years ago (85 children) | Copy Link
Yes just heard this announced on CNN. The Feminists must be so angry the women aren't included here. Watch for the marches soon!
[–]Astrum91 727 points728 points729 points 4 years ago (62 children) | Copy Link
Wait for the "Men not allowed to leave Ukraine, women most affected." articles.
[–]AnFGhoster 430 points431 points432 points 4 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
"So many women left without providers after they flee country without their husbands".
[–]Ssg4Liberty 220 points221 points222 points 4 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
On a serious note, human traffickers are licking their chops right now. Women refugees, with zero protection, just flooding out of Ukraine right now.
[–]Helenium_autumnale -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
What news source can you provide to prove that "Women refugees, with zero protection, just flooding out of Ukraine right now"?
Even if that is true, (I'll suspend judgment until I see reliable reporting on that alleged event), what a shame that Russia caused this situation by attacking Ukraine and forcing people to flee.
[–][deleted] 52 points53 points54 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
The fact that all the able-bodied men are not able to leave Ukraine?
[–]dale87 36 points37 points38 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Connecting the dots! News source: Brain
[–][deleted] 33 points34 points35 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yup! A skill lost on some people
[–]Chuy-IsSmall 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ummm, it’s pretty well known everybody is fleeing the country without Visas. Connect the dots bro, it’s what a brain is for.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's like asking for a source on saying tomato sauce comes from tomatoes
[–][deleted] 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
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[–]bulletkiller06 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
What the fuck is wrong with you?
[–][deleted] 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
[–]NielTheGrassBison8 points 4 years ago [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link
You're not just wrong, you're an asshole too. Get out.
[–][deleted] 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
[–]NielTheGrassBison6 points 4 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
Report him to the mods. This subreddit has no room for this kind of talk.
[–][deleted] 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]LettuceBeGrateful 226 points227 points228 points 4 years ago (38 children) | Copy Link
AskFeminists is one step ahead of you. Women and children are "especially" affected by war, according to them.
[–]meat-beater_ 112 points113 points114 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
This is being downvoted. Fucking disgraceful people asking equality and downvoting this with their little bridie snowflake brains
[–]LettuceBeGrateful 38 points39 points40 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It was at -6 when I saw it. Disgraceful indeed.
[–]aknabi 28 points29 points30 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well threw that thread my goto "Equal pay until it's time to pay" comment... let's see how fast the ban comes into place.
[–]daylight_stalker 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Agreed it is disgraceful af. Someone commented that why can't feminist focus on men's issue to since it's about equality and one woman just blatantly said NO with a heart emoji like what in the actual f---
These are very parasitic women
[–]iGhostEdd 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Not anymore!
[–]Kindly-Town 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
After the link is posted here. Some of us from here are upvoting that post.
[–]iGhostEdd 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Well i know, i did my part!
[–]Echo13D 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
we all did and now its at +11 more upvotes than the post itself
[–]iGhostEdd 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
LoL, get wrecked
[–]meat-beater_ 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well, that was the idea
[–]biccat 53 points54 points55 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Women have always been the primary victims of war.
[–]LettuceBeGrateful 76 points77 points78 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Thanks Hillary.
[–]worms9 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fucking harpy
[–]MozartFan5 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Ask those women who chose to stay behind in Ukraine and fight for their country what they think about that and all of those women voluntarily serving in militaries worldwide especially those in combat roles such as Kurdish women in Peshmerga who helped successfully defeat ISIS. Two wrongs don't make a right. If women are "especially" affected by war, which isn't true when you consider a historical apples to apples comparison of male vs female suffering in war in the past century, that doesn't justify forcing males to stay behind just because they are born male. So much for gender equality! These "feminists" who are actually sexists and misandrists just want to have their cake and eat it too!
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
I get where youre coming from, but women can also be drafted now lol. Also, everyone is affected by war. Its not just men.
[–]MozartFan5 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
When did I ever say that war only affects men and not women? Given that men are being forced to stay in their country and defend it while it is being invaded and women a free to escape to Poland, Moldova, and Romania the war will inevitably result in more male casualties so it affects men more than women because you know, more men will DIE including men under 25 just starting out their lives.
[–]MozartFan5 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Also what does "women can also be dafter now" mean? Lol
[–]Blaze0205 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That’s such a idiotic sub
[–]magmachiller 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/t03fd8/what_is_the_feminist_perspective_on_the_current/hyetttx?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
lololol
[–]vwatchrepair 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Where's all the strong empowered women fixing these situations?? Are they dependant on the young boys to grow up and lift them out of those hard times? Cringe.
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, they are. Just as much as men. It hurts everybody. Kids are left without father's, you gonna tell a little girl that loosing her father to war didn't effect her?
[–]LettuceBeGrateful 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
you gonna tell a little girl that loosing her father to war didn't effect her?
No, and I never so much as implied that I would. There's a literal war going on and you're playing these bullshit word games? Go away.
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Women and children are still affected by war. You are implying that they're not.
[–]LettuceBeGrateful 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
No I'm fucking not, you liar. Not a single thing I wrote suggested that. I was criticizing a comment that said women are especially affected, as if men are disproportionately unaffected despite being like 99% of combat deaths.
It's absurd how when yet another war breaks out and men are thrown in front of the bullets, liars like you come out of the woodwork to concern troll and try to shut down the people saying "men suffer too."
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I literally just said that it effects everyone
[–]LettuceBeGrateful 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You also challenged me with this:
Kids are left without father's, you gonna tell a little girl that loosing her father to war didn't effect her?
And then said this:
Be willing to have an honest discussion or go away.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I mean everyone is equally affected, this entire post is just people saying that men are more affected. Lol
[–]Noob_master_slayer 59 points60 points61 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Better yet wait for the article "1000 killed, including 1 woman". I'm honestly sick of it. The way men are being treated as subhumans to sacrifice their lives for their pussy-owning overlords!
[–]ratcal 26 points27 points28 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I already saw "13 killed in Snake island and atleast one is a woman"
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
More like "Hundreds of family's left without father's or husbands due to war", pls stop acting like all women want are for men to suffer/to be victims. It is simply not true, everyone will be affected by this.
[–][deleted] 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
[–]iforgotkeyboard 25 points26 points27 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
they shit themselves when real risks appear. no big news here
[–]daylight_stalker 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If they go to war What they gonna do, use there pussy prowers ?
Back in the day some women would mate with the warrior who killed there husband or whatever cause now the warrior is seen as the alpha male..
These are obviously the same females today potraying as modern feminist.
[–][deleted] 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
[–]BuddyTubbs 22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
If that were really the rationale behind it, then they should only allow women of child bearing age and pre menopausal women to leave the country. But it’s not. It’s just the fact that if you’re a boy or a man your life is disposable, period, end of story.
[–]Dembara 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women are necessary to repopulating a country
Historically, yes. In modern warfare, less so. Because people live longer havd fewer kids and giving birth is relatively safe, the number of women in a population is not as important as it once was nor is having women in the army the same risk given what modern conflicts look like. You just need to look at Israel to see this.
[–]MozartFan5 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That notion only applies when the human species is near extinction and it certainly doesn't morally justify forcing men to fight in war while excluding women. Just because something may be true from an evolutionary standpoint and may even possibly be rational doesn't mean that is it morally ethical! Not to mention that women between 50 and 60 years old are almost entirerly incapable of having children yet they can leave the country while men of the same age must stay and fight.
[–]Normal-Yogurtcloset5 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe U.S. feminists will send them pink pussy hats in solidarity.
[–]Fern-ando 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Same femenist that complains when this is mentioned, sorry lady but testosterone doesn't make you bulletproof, half the populations shouldn't be fighting "to protect the rights" of the other half of the popolation that isn't forced to die on wars because of sexist laws.
[–]daylight_stalker 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This should be proof that the feminist don't care about men or equality.. they only want what's going to benefit them and use their pussy powers to obtain it.
[–]LibertyandApplePie 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yes, it's a shame that Ukraine (like many eastern-European countries) has conservative, anti-feminist attitudes.
It would be better if they adopted the feminist policies of Norway, where the draft applies to both women and men.
For 50 years, feminists have been loudly pushing for women to be allowed to fight in the military. Feminists filed lawsuits to put women in the military. Feminists introduced legislation to put women in the military. Anti-feminists opposed them every step of the way.
Contrast the anti-feminist view with the feminist view:
Feminist view: "Women will serve in all kinds of units, and they will be eligible for combat duty." feminist law professor Thomas I. Emerson
Anti-feminist view: "The push to repeal the laws that exempt women from military combat duty must be the strangest of all aberrations indulged in by the women’s liberation or feminist movement." - top conservative anti-feminist Phyllis Shaffley
Anti-feminism is the enemy of men's rights. Anti-feminism is the conservative effort to retain rigid gender roles that harm both men and women.
Feminism seeks to end gender discrimination and gender stereotypes. That's good for women and good for men.
[–]interiordasein 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's a wonderful sentiment, and I absolutely agree with its premises. Unfortunately, that is not at all in practice what feminism advocates for either here or abroad.
Sweden and Norway have the privilege of drafting women largely because their minuscule militaries, which have not since been tested in war, are dependent on another military, the United States, for defense. If they really did start drafting women during a real war, odds are they would change their policy--likely incrementally, without ever having to fully admit what they were doing.
In practice, do any feminists have anything to say about male disposability? Why do you think it is that the plight of black men has made feminism so unattractive, for instance, to working-class black women, who see their husbands incarcerated, beaten, murdered, and are told by their white neighbors that they ought to envy their husbands and brothers for it? Why do you think the barister's daughter fought so hard to have her father's job, but not the daughter of the miner, the construction worker, the soldier?
The fact remains that male disposability is an unwanted stain on the feminist narrative, a narrative which relies on a notion of patriarchy, wherein men as a whole enjoyed power and privilege which women were excluded from, while in reality the vast majority of men throughout history have been relegated to dehumanizing, violent, demoralizing labor their wives and sisters and daughters wanted nothing to do with.
[–]aprettypansy 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
People should be angry that men are being turned into canon fodder, not that women aren't being forced to join them.
Conscription is wrong on all levels.
[–]xXAngelsXx -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Why the hate against feminists? Feminists don’t want anything to be forced, why would they want their own families to die fighting in war?
[–]BMoney8600 295 points296 points297 points 4 years ago (28 children) | Copy Link
Shit
[–]keklamo 246 points247 points248 points 4 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link
Not surprising. Female privilege is not an western-exclusive thing.
[+]xXAngelsXx -19 points-18 points-17 points 4 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link
This isn’t ‘’female privellege’’, it’s only happening because society sees women as weak and incapable. Women do help fight on the front lines but a lot aren’t able to because of misogyny.
You lot say you advocate for mens rights but then all i see on this sub is hate against women. You make the whole movement look bad.
[–]vwatchrepair 22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
How many women or pro-women individuals are coming out saying, "This isn't right!"
Also, how many in Ukraine are saying, "If the men stay, we all stay!!" Or helping to smuggle them out. 🤔
[–]xXAngelsXx -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
It’s not like any of you lot care about women’s issues, why should they care about yours?
Also about the second statement, how are you gonna put yourself and your family in danger to make a point? You’d make you and your children stay in a war zone? I guarantee the men would want others to escape, you’re just being selfish.
[–]kyrgyzmcatboy 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
this is such a toxic way of thinking about things
[–]xXAngelsXx -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I don’t really think like that though, I was just answering that persons question and calling out their hypocrisy. This sub shits on women/feminists then wants them to help them as well as blaming them when something goes wrong? What a joke, this sub isn’t even about hating on women/feminists.
I personally do care but there isn’t anything I can do about it is there?
[–]vwatchrepair 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
So, you'd be fine with, "ALL FEMALES 18-60" can't leave the country. Men and children can.
[–]xXAngelsXx -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Are you dense? I literally said I was against it, not my fault you can’t read.
[–]Echo13D 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
when did you say that
[–]LettuceBeGrateful 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Women are allowed to serve in many countries, they just aren't compelled.
There's no misogyny in his comment, and yours is at odds with reality.
[–]xXAngelsXx -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I never said they weren’t allowed, I was talking about social stigmas.
[–]LettuceBeGrateful 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You said "a lot aren’t able to." They are.
Please don't lie about your comments. Anyone can scroll up. You're just wasting everyone's time.
I didn’t specify why they weren’t able to,I just didn’t make it clear enough. I’m not lying lmfao
[–]LettuceBeGrateful 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You literally lied. Not just about your comment, but that we're just here to hate women.
Go waste your life trolling somewhere else.
[–]DraganTehPro 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women do help fight on the front lines but a lot aren’t able to because of misogyny.
No one is preventing them from doing so. It's just that they aren't forced to.
You lot say you advocate for mens rights but then all i see on this sub is hate against women.
When you don't have a valid argument ^
[–]keklamo 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I'll assume you're joking.
[–]xXAngelsXx 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I’m not though, there are tons of women soldiers that don’t get credited. I get this whole thing is a men’s issue but you don’t need to get annoyed at women for it.
[–]2sharkanwaria 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Aren't able to because of misogyny.
Before current conditon, I didn't see much posts or movement where feminists were supporting females to go in war. It's really sickening to see true colours
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Nope talking about Female Privileges ,is not about hating woman . If women were responsable enough and hold other women accountable ,men-rights dont have to deal with it.
[–]xXAngelsXx 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Deal with what exactly? I don’t get what you mean.
[–]Alarming_Draw 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Everyone PLEASE learn and remember this-feminism was HUGE right before the First World War. Lesbians were seen as 'trendy' (true fact), headlines were full of feminist anger.
And then war happened. And all of a sudden, the feminists knew to close their mouths and play snowflake. And all the men were marched off to war.
And an ENTIRE GENERATION OF MEN WERE KILLED GLOBALLY.
Feminists are the same now as they were then. The same as they always are. Loud and greedy and hypocritical when it suits them. Snowflake fainting Victorian 'ladies' the moment shit gets real.
Because whenever women do go into the army they get harrassed or sexually assaulted for being women. Like the men don’t want us there with them yet complain when we’re not there??
[–]CanniBal1320 246 points247 points248 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
Well feminists, if u really think MRAs r bs then this is the perfect opportunity to prove us wrong and shut us up. Fight for the equality in conscription too, let the world see that women r willing to fight side by side with men in the times of war. Let the world see women truly r as capable as men.
[–]aknabi 66 points67 points68 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Equal pay until it's time to pay
[–]Noob_master_slayer 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It never was about equality. It's one of the largest myths that men had a lot of power, whereas women had none. Guess how much power did a peasent male have in the middle of the 1500s? None. Peasents, men and women, were mere slaves to their imperial overlords.
[–]triplenipple99 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My country was also ruled by a woman during that period, but no... Women were only seen as property.
[–][deleted] 26 points27 points28 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The problem is that feminists will take credit for any random woman who stays behind, I've already seen articles praising women for "not being afraid of Russian soldiers" (nobody really cares that women aren't a target per se), they may even twist it and say women are willing to protect the country so they don't need martial law to tell them.
[–]STARSTRUCK888 33 points34 points35 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well still no answer.
[–]xXAngelsXx -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Feminists don’t support men being drafted? Some women do actually want to help on the front lines and the only reason they aren’t is because society views women negatively.
Why would they want anyone to be forced to fight?
[–]Zephyr9865 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No one is forcing them to leave or stay.
The majority leave and those few that stay are in non-combat roles.
Men are not allowed to leave.They are forced into combat roles.
And yes,don't lie to yourself, feminists support male only drafting, they fought to keep it that way multiple times.
[–]xlaaane -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
it’s literally not legal in almost any country lol. are you going to go volunteer? probably not. i bet you’re laying in bed right now.
[–]okfornothing 222 points223 points224 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
When I first saw this, I knew it would end up here...where are those feminist wanting equal rights!
Pathetic.
[–]FireWolfie820 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Here... Just me... By myself, unable to do anything for you and shaking at the thought that it could have been me or my family members and disgusted at the fact that men are forced to go kill and die for some pieces of shit not by choice ;-;
[–]Rorschach_And_Prozac 198 points199 points200 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
No feminists in a house fire.
[–]Complicated_Peanuts 38 points39 points40 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Bill Burr really knocked it out of the park with that whole skit.
[–]MrElderwood 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
"I wanna go play jump-rope!"
[–]themolestedsliver 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Got a link?
[–]GreatBayTemple 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Found it.
[–]Complicated_Peanuts 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I watched it on Netflix
[–]themolestedsliver 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Kk
[–]_the_redditor__ 104 points105 points106 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Don’t forget about manspreading! That must’ve been why they weren’t let into the busses transporting refugees out of Ukraine!
[–]aknabi 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The trifecta is mansplaining while manspreading while male privileging
[–]Noob_master_slayer 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And manspreading. How dare he spread his legs a few nanometers apart💢😠
[–]themolestedsliver 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah let's go on and on about men spreading their legs a bit wider than normal but confidently ignore sex based conscription like this.
[–]Dumbledorfie -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Almost as if different countries have different levels of problems
[–]LandscapeClear1630 80 points81 points82 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Women are allowed to leave???
[–]SharqPhinFtw[S] 109 points110 points111 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
If you can find a plane or hit the border ya. If you're a man you won't find a non-private plane and we all know how much borders love men as refugees. When they turn you away guess who's back on your side of the border.
[–]LandscapeClear1630 32 points33 points34 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
The airspace is closed and police are telling people they can't leave the cities.
[–]SharqPhinFtw[S] 51 points52 points53 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
as the situation changes men aged 18-60 still won't be able to get out. They'll certainly get refugee evacuation planes in and televise it for good feels. Just take a good look at who the refugees are in their own clips
[–]Nitr0Sage -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Watch me fly, and probably get shot down, but I’ll get in
[–]Frosty-Gate-8094 35 points36 points37 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Its unlikely that women will be able to leave a violent territory without a male accomplice or human-trafficker.
This mandate effectively traps all women inside the border too.
But feminists will not complain. Coz, it doesn't appear to affect women directly.
Months later we will have amnesty report showing how this mandate trapped millions of women in the warzone and led to their physical and sexual abuse. Wait for it. You read it here first
[–]waterim 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It undervaluing women ingenuity. They don’t need a man to leave. People are simply walking out
[–]LandscapeClear1630 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They can't. No one is currently allowed to leave by the Ukranian police.
[–]iLoveWomen89017 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes they do, men can protect women
[–]Daddy_Stop 199 points200 points201 points 4 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
Disgusting and unacceptable. I get war times are hard. But to force a civilian to fight, while separating them from their families and providing protection to those born with different genitalia to you, is extremely hard for me to be comfortable with.
Any woman who is okay with this does not care for equality.
[–]BuddyTubbs 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Perfect summary, unfortunately men are men’s biggest enemy to equality. I guarantee you the mandate stopping men from fleeing was issued by a man, because “real men fight and die for their women and country”. That’s true toxic masculinity.
[–]Zephyr9865 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Please stop using the term "toxic masculinity".
[–]pargofan 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly. Men are taught to sacrifice. Women are taught that men are there be sacrificed.
[–]Igereth -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
what woman is?
All the top comments here have this "in yo face feminists" vibe. As if Feminists want this. As if in this situation the most important thing is to "show" feminist how wrong they are. As if this would invalidate the problems the other sex faces. I actually thought this sub cares about men and their problems but it's just another childish anti feminist, men vs woman shit.
[–]LettuceBeGrateful 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
The comments you're referring to are born of years of frustration with feminists telling us that these problems don't matter. We still have a few armchair sociologists making this point while the damn war is happening.
It's not a vapid gotcha, it's a response to years of invalidation and a complete dismissal of our basic right to live.
[–]Igereth -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
and why do you think such "feminists" talk like that? it's exactly the same reason, years of frustration. Now doing the same thing is helpfull how? People will take you as serious as the feminazis if you behave like them. This is not men vs women. If you make this sub about that then it's not pro men just anti women.
[–]LettuceBeGrateful 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
This is not men vs women.
I never claimed otherwise.
it's exactly the same reason, years of frustration.
Um, no.
"Our rights are being violated!"
"You're complaining about nothing, you just want to be oppressed."
It's not"exactly the same." Not at all. This middle ground hand-winging is not rooted in reality.
[–]Igereth -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link
No you just claim that it is feminism which causes all this as a whole while you focus on those kinds of "feminists" who arent really feminists. This is as if I focused on incels as the core of men's rights movement.
Lol what? Are you saying that women were at no point oppressed and made sound unreasonable for saying so?
[–]LettuceBeGrateful 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link
while you focus on those kinds of "feminists" who arent really feminists
They should just rename "No True Scotsman" to No True Feminist at this point. Feminists successfully excluded male victims from rape legislation around the globe. They torpedoed wildly popular family court reform. The largest feminist organization in America called men who were fighting for due process "bullies and rapists." An ecologist explicitly feminist DV framework has resulted in male victims being arrested more than their female abusers.
I am so tired of the demonstrably negative impact of feminism on men be minimized because some feminists out there are good people. No shit some are good people, most of my friends are feminists. They're wonderful, but they aren't relevant when discussing societal issues.
you just claim that it is feminism
Yeah, because it actually literally is.
This is as if I focused on incels as the core of men's rights movement.
If incels were in positions of power, using the MRA label as cover while impeding women's rights, I No-True-Scotsman'd my way through it instead of acknowledging their impact on women, focused on petty self-preservation instead of objective objecting to misogyny, and spent my time whining about dictionary definitions in lieu of acknowledging reality, then yeah, it'd be the same. But that's not what's happening, so it's not.
[–]Igereth -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
There are incels in positions of power. Just look at Texas rn and their abortion laws. Look at Trump who literally talked about grabbing women by the pussy. What about Epstein and his catering of minor girls to politicians?
There is good and bad in all sexes. Feminism as such is not the problem but some fake feminists which abuse this movement.
You need to stop beliving those women to be feminists just for the sake of hating feminism. I can claim I am a panda bear and I doubt you'd take that as truth.
[–]LettuceBeGrateful 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link
None of the examples you mentioned are incels. They literally aren't. You're the first person I've ever heard in my entire life apply that label to those people.
Mary P. Koss is one of the most decorated, influential feminists of the past 30 years, with a library of published feminist literature, a thumb on the scales of rape legislation in the U.S. and the U.K., and almost 40 years of insistence that men can't be raped, even when they are drugged and forced into intercourse.
The National Organization for Women is the largest feminist organization in North America, and they have actively fought against progress on men's rights and vilified men.
The Duluth model, the most common DV intervention framework in the U.S., is explicitly feminist, and assumes men are abusers merely for being men.
The Women's March in 2017 is the largest one-day protest in U.S. history, and was organized by Linda Sarsour and hosted Donna Hylton, who brutally tortured a man to death over the course of a month.
Those are just specific examples. Then you have cases in different countries where male rape victims aren't acknowledged because of feminism, men's groups and advocacy being shut down because of feminist protests, and even a damn documentary that was pulled from theaters because feminists who hadn't even seen the movie marched against it.
And here you are, ignoring the common thread through all of this because you're not a panda bear.
[–]Igereth -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Guys paying to sleep with minors does not sound like incel? Apart from that do they have to be incels to violate women's rights? Can only feminists violate men's rights?
Interestingly enough in university she was never mentioned. I didnt major in gender studies but sociological and philosiphical fields often cross read.
Im not with this woman, no sane feminist believes men cannot be raped. No sane person is for Trump either yet he was president one of the most influential positions.
Donna Hylton was one of 7. 4 men and 3 women to be specific. And it's not like she killed a guy then went on to be an activist. She served 26 years in prison. I highly doubt she is the only ex convict that changed their lives. What she and the others did was wrong that does not mean the woman's rights movement is.
The duluth model is 40 years old. There were places in 1981 where women coundn't even vote yet.
And there are tons of cases where female rape victims were dismissed for what they were wearing or where they were going.
We can go on and on with the list. Fact is there are asshole men and asshole women.
Im not ignoring shit. Why do you think I am on this sub? I acknowledge the problems men face and it is not feminism. It is people who distort femimism. Just wait a bit and see where the men right's movements will go. Extremists will do just the same thing with what you try to do here bc they always do. There are already men who claim women not wanting to date them is discrimination. But I would never give fault to the ideology of the men's rights movement.
[–]dishwatersupper 171 points172 points173 points 4 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link
So every 60 year old man is considered more capable of fighting than a healthy 20 something woman? If that really is true then the world needs to start rethinking a lot of things.
[–]SharqPhinFtw[S] 67 points68 points69 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
They're grabbing reservists first but otherwise 2 random citizens they'll pick the man of 60 over the woman of any age
[–]MasterOfChaos6 74 points75 points76 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It’s not that a 60 year old man is considered more capable, it’s that men are more expendable than women.
[–]Zephyr9865 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
*perceived as
Not that we should be.
[–]Gawernator 37 points38 points39 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Have you seen the video of the like 45-55 year old men's club soccer team beating a Women's pro team lol
[–]iforgotkeyboard 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
school boys actually
[–]Gawernator 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
that's a different one
[–]iforgotkeyboard 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
ah. ok
[–]Fern-ando 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The Ukranian president called influencers and Tik Tokers to do their part, those 20 something woman had a key role to play against misinformation, could a man do the exact same thing, yeah but the laws are incredible sexist.
[–]fevilic 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
I thought that was a "Man's" Job 😱
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[–]neoalfa 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They're heros.
They are victims. A hero chooses to fight, a victim has no other option.
[–][deleted] 57 points58 points59 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That's male privilege right there
[–]HugoStiglitz007 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Privilege to die
[–]Nitr0Sage 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wish I that
[–]dale87 79 points80 points81 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
That's fucked up. Those dudes better start identifying as female reeeal quick.
[–]Sininenn 27 points28 points29 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Unfortunately, this particular craziness hasn't made its way into Ukraine, so even if they tried, they'd only make fools out of themselves.
Afaik Ukraine doesn't allow for a legal sex change
[–]snarky- 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You can in Ukraine. It's not easy to get a change in legal documentation there, but it does exist.
[–]Sininenn 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The point is, that it isn't a formality as filling out an online form and that's it...
[–]snarky- 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It isn't in most places
[–][deleted] 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I shouldn't have laughed but I did...
[–]themolestedsliver 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I have a sneaking suspicion that won't matter in this instance. If you pass as a guy you're going to the front.
[–]Mustimustdie 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'd give you an award, if I didn't think awards were complete BS false economy.
[–]SuddenlyHip 66 points67 points68 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
No way I'd risk my life to die for my Western country in its current state. I as a male am not entitled to anything but females are entitled to me risking my life for them? Clown world.
[–]JakeWasAlreadyTaken 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
In older cultures it made sense. We took more risks and had influence in society—we were the only ones who could vote and companies were mainly men. Now, women are quickly replacing us in schools and in the workforce. The idea of a nuclear family is dying, yet men are still the butt of society. When a man provides everything for a woman, and she cheats leading to divorce, she gets custody of the children and half of his income + wealth. When we go to war, men get drafted while women are allowed to leave. Make it make sense.
[–]SuddenlyHip 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My thoughts exactly. Women get the best of both worlds while we get the worst
Yea it's sad af thats why women need to respect men more as the alpha cause we ARE.
If you want that title too then you better be ready to go out to war then and stop cherry picking rights and privileges that you want and don't want
[–]PQKN051502 134 points135 points136 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I would not serve for my country if they treated me and my gender that way. 🥴
[–]GobLinUnleashed 40 points41 points42 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I don’t think they have a choice
[–]rmpalin 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Desertion
[–]B_Boi04 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Not the best option either
[–]PQKN051502 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I know. 😔
[–]Connect_Stay_137 60 points61 points62 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Sexism at its finest.
Just letting yall know, if the US starts drafting I'm officially coming out as trans and changing my identity to female so I can't get drafted /s
[–]ocket8888 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
this but unironically
[–]7ozO0b2_8haBtTiw60__ 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I will riot. Genuinely.
[–]rabel111 53 points54 points55 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
While the media, our leaders and cowardly feminists/allies continue to use men and boys as human shields, lets also remember the many women who will willingly stand shoulder to shoulder with their men to defend their homes and loved ones. Their bravery, all of them, leaves me speechless. Live long Ukraine. Gods speed.
[–]SharqPhinFtw[S] 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's why I kept my post title to what it is. Being forced to stay is an example of male """privilege""" but it doesn't mean you can't choose to stay
[–]EpicHajsownik 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Thats truly dystopian. Imagine if women wouldnt be allowed to leave a country, that is at war, and they would be forced to die.
It would be unthinkable. human right abuse, and historical event.
But if it's men being punished for being born male, which they had no influence over, then its fine, and at best the families who run away are the most affected.
Seriously. Just the fact, that you were born one gender over another making you not be able to even leave a country, and die for it. As if random chance of who you're born was deciding whether you live, and evacuate, or not, and die
[–]MozartFan5 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Exactly my thoughts man. If I were a man in Ukraine right now I would try to help Russia assasinate President Volodymyr Zelensky for enacting an extremely existentially sexist rule.
[–]EpicHajsownik 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
its not his fault. Its a fault of a sobiet union establishing male only conscription, which made men the only one who know how to fight. Zelensky kinda fucked up by not recognising, that forced soldiers are bad soldiers, but its 99% fault of soviet conscription discriminating men and then making them the only good soldiers. +he may not know that so many volunteers wanted to join.
For now men do not have fucked up so much, cause men not wanting to die are kept in the back, and it will remain that way, so its not that bad. But they should give men a choice. Ewentually end conscription/ make it for both genders.
Also helping russia in that case is even worse, cause Putin makes the same thing, except he uses them to attack innocent people/ is responsible for conscription in Usa. He is way worse, cause he could end consription for 20 years. He could just not send unwilling men by lying to them, that they were attacked. Putin really did a warcrime on men
[–]Njaulv 117 points118 points119 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
The way I see it, if you do not have enough people in your country willing to fight for your country then your country should fail. Conscription is slavery.
[–]SunosUnix 45 points46 points47 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
I will dodge the draft if the US goes to war..... Just saying.
[–]SlyGG 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I’m with you. I genuinely like most aspects of life here but no war cause is worth my life. I don’t really care what the reason is, I’d rather live under a dictatorship than be dead
[+]randonumero -23 points-22 points-21 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Then why do you stay?
[–]SunosUnix 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I would rather not stay. But i have yet to make enough money to be able to leave to where i would rather go.
[–]randonumero 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I'm going to ask and take the downvotes...would you be willing to fight for the other country that you'd rather be in?
[–]SunosUnix 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
A country where i can get healthcare? Where housing is affordable? Where i can actually live above the poverty line? where rehabilitation is preferred over private for profit prisons? Where the citizens are treated as humans instead of the products of for-profit everything? Where workers have rights?
Yup. I would.
When the military recruiters came to my highschool many years ago, the only interaction i bothered to have with them was asking if they got to choose which oil company they get to die for.
The US is just as much of a corrupt joke as Russia. I will not fight for the US.
[–]randonumero 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is probably one of the best responses I've gotten on reddit. While I don't agree with the US being as corrupt as Russia we definitely have our share of politicians and oligarchs who'd feel right at home under Putin. Again, great response.
[–]SlyGG 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because where am I going to go? Some other country that I’m also not willing to fight for? it’s a hassle to move and I’m content here I don’t get it
[–]Oreo_ 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Oh so every single person should be willing to die for their country to be a citizen? Sounds alot like ww2 Era Japan to me
[–]randonumero 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A foreign army invading is different than your leaders trying to nation build for cash or attacks from terrorist groups. While I hope to never go through it myself, I'll never forget a conversation I had with a Syrian refugee who told me that Syria will always be his home but he didn't feel it was a country worth him fighting or dying to stay in. I'll also never forget a conversation I had with a black WW2 vet. He told me he signed up hoping for the double v and because as bad as he was treated in the US for just being black, it was still where he wanted to call home.
So no you don't need to be willing to fight for your country to be a citizen but it's worth asking why when these situations happen so many people choose to stay and fight.
[–]InfiniteDunois 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Are you suggesting that by forcing people to fight for something they don't care about, your going to get the worst experience using them you could
[–]emerald_engineer_08 26 points27 points28 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I can’t upvote this hard enough. I said the same thing about the US a few weeks ago
[–]Fern-ando 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Russian population is over 3 times Ukraine, is not like they have much of a choice
[–]Njaulv -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
They do have a choice. They could just admit defeat, try to instill a strong sense of nationalism and duty (even if it is through propaganda) they could preemptively try to garner a more serviceable military and tactics to their population, encourage militias, or now that the enemy is at their door seek help and advice from others, there are many routes to go outside of conscription.
[–]blaizken_420 35 points36 points37 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Suddenly, my sympathy for the government evaporated
[–]Starforce2005 32 points33 points34 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
A country that does not care about men, are not worth for men to fight for.
I was cheering for Ukraine when Russian attacked. Now I'm not so sure.
Its just another meaningless war that lower class male have to die for the rich politician.
[–]Raise_me_up 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I’m right with you, why fight for a country that hates you.
[–]Ldoran421 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly. If you must force them to stay what makes you think that they would like you afterwards after you make brothers,fathers,sons all of them die for you. It's not a Russian war on Ukraine, it's two governments playing a lethal game of chess.
[–]AlibshaZia 31 points32 points33 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
All genders are equal, but some genders are more equal than others.
[–]virilealpha 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Absolutely gutted. An entire generation of men, disposable and about to die ill-equipped and prepared because of one absolute scumbag. This includes the young soldiers Putin radicalized and sent to the front lines as well.
[–]NonnyNu 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This is what makes the makeup of refugees from Syria suspect.
[–]boringcarpets 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
For real
[–]boomboxspence 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Mens lives are valuable too
[–]cool_tricks_s 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Be aware that unusual_whales are a missinformation account / russian bot or something.
They are allowed to leave if they must.
This media shit is really a sad view.
[–]SharqPhinFtw[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
How you gonna post misinformation when the actual source is right below it lmao???
Also if they were a russian bot it would be disinformation.
[–]Nerfixion 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Imagine turning 18 and being forced to fight in a war you won't win without outside help. Ukraine just took a step down.
[–]NekoiNemo 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Ukraine just took a step down.
Don't blame the country - blame the US puppets that are their government, who are so desperate enough to not get dislodged as to sacrifice civilians.
[–]SharqPhinFtw[S] 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
US convinced them to denuclearize for Nato inclusion xd
[–]MRMRising 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yep, and Ukr still did not get in.
[–]Right_Pepe 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Can the goverment start drafting the feminists too? They the ones they demans equality. Not trad women.
[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
“Women have always been the primary victims of war” -HRC
[–]matrixislife 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sooner or later this needs to start being posted to the general subs. People in here know that male privilege is garbage, but it never seems to get out into public domain.
[–]NoorDaDoor 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
wow this is infuriating and ridiculous! everyone should be allowed to leave if they so wish. but allowing only a specific gender todo is something else completely
[–]Noob_master_slayer 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Ah, so much male privillege, am I right? Feminists who claim that male privillege is a thing, exist in such a fantasy world that their instinctive reaction reading this would be and I quote "Men started the war, so they should fight the war".
[–]SharqPhinFtw[S] 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
^ Fact. Have already seen tweets like this while trying to avoid political twitter
[–]Noob_master_slayer 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They literally don't understand that men don't start war, humans do. In a hypothetical female run world, guess what, resources would STILL be scarce. Throughout our history as a species, we have fought wars over resources and access to resources. If women led the world, guess what, wars would still happen...just perhaps not for food, instead for make-up pigments🤣
[–]MozartFan5 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Simply because men start a war doesn't mean that all men are responsible for that decision. Just because I am the same gender as the person who started a war doesn't make me any more responsible than a woman to fight in the war. Their logic is like saying that if a woman commits mass murder killing 10 people that all women are responsible for it and should be punished for that one woman's crimes. These false feminists, aka sexists, will come up with anything to have their cake and eat it too. They want all of the privileges, rights, and rewards of being male without any of the risks and responsibilities.
Anyways if a woman helped start a war, which several have throughout history such as Theresa May in the Falkland Islands War, I highly doubt that they would tweet "Women started the war, so they should fight the war."
[–]doesnt_matter_1710 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Equal rights inequal fights
[–]TRDPaul 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Why are the feminists not angry about this? Oh yeah they support discrimination
[–]MRMRising 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"Virtually every society that survived did so by socializing its sons to be disposable. Disposable in war; disposable in work. We need warriors and volunteer firefighters, so we label these men heroes."
- Warren Farrell
[–]Noob_master_slayer 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ah yes, classical male disposability. Just because someone has a cock between their legs, they thus are obliged to be ridden by bullets and missiles, whilst superior humans who have a vagina are completely safe! Wow, so much equality!
[–]rollitpullit 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
True feminist will fight for equal treatment here as well
[–]AbysmalDescent 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
No versions of feminists would fight for equal treatment here, because that is not consistent with any version of feminism. They would be quiet, dismiss the issue or paint it as a women's issue by saying something like "women aren't treated seriously enough to defend their country" or "women are being made vulnerable as they leave to other countries". The only women who would fight for equal treatment are combative egalitarians and female mra's.
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[–]SharqPhinFtw[S] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Dicaprio could have fit on the door
[–]AzLibDem 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She was done with him.
[–]BumLeeJon 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fucking 60? Holy. 45-50 makes much more sense
[–]CyclopeWarrior 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's specially funny considering how supposedly progressive Ukraine was with it's miniscule female armed forces and special operatives.
House fire starts, and the pigtails start poppin
[–]therenousername[🍰] 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is just sad not only because Ukraine is forced to do this like its ww2 again but the fact that so many women would rather not fight all they do is cry "the patriarchy" and "equal rights" Well where are they now? They've gone and left everything behind its time for women to practice what they preach and man up fight for what is yours prove women and men can work together side by side be an example to all other feminists across the world.. shit its just beyond me I mean yea there are women fighting but they're very few and far between and it's just sad all of it especially when the media outlets start saying women are the biggest victims and that's just bull shit men made the ultimate sacrifice and yet women are still the biggest victims.. :/
[–]andy123north 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I pointed out this kinda stuff yesterday and i swear to god i had a male feminist call me worse than hitler lol
[–]SharqPhinFtw[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Ask him what he thinks about Bandera and how Ukraine now supporting his "freedom fight" and extermination if Jews and Poles
[–]andy123north 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Mate i spent a hour fighting this theres no point he is like all the woke/bame generation these days talk shit but cabt back shit up.
[–]DraganTehPro 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
And people say Russia is a authoritarian shithole...
[–]SharqPhinFtw[S] 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Some comments reported Russia doing the same. I can't 100% confirm this but a few of the captured Russian recon units were essentially kids not even aware they would have to shoot.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Should be based on the standards which are used in military. Shouldn't be based on gender.
When standards for military were changed, this should have been changed as well.
[–]MRMRising 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"Once boys' and men's challenges are clear, the question 'why now' quickly becomes 'why didn't we see this sooner?' The answer? Virtually every society that survived did so by socializing its sons to be disposable."
Warren Farrell
[–]BuddyTubbs 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Just a reminder folks that your son’s life < your daughter’s life.
[–]MozartFan5 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Yup, but I have to be reminded at college about having "male privilege" everyday despite my life being legally and socially less worthy than a woman of the same age as me just because I happened to be born with X and y chromosomes.
[–]BuddyTubbs 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Facts, I really can’t think of a singular thing a woman is more disadvantaged of vs a man in the western world. Maybe being more excluded from more manual labor jobs, but also being more prone to be hired for office jobs and college being tailored towards them.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
So....where's all the feminists volunteering to grab a rifle and fight for their freedom AND their men?
Where's that post?
Saw a lot of promotional stuff before invasion was announced and now they're nowhere to be seen in all the military training vids
[–]waterbottletops -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Do your research and maybe not ask on a Men's Right subreddit?
Genuine advice
[–]themolestedsliver 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And yet feminists what to go in about male privileges this patriarchy that.
What's worse is I seen this dumb bitch on Twitter going on about ware being caused by "insecure dudes".
Amazing how selective their outrage is.
Conscription like this doesn't count but the dictator apparently is indicative of male leaders apparently....sickening
[–]rakib_2000 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Saw some female friends sharing post in fb that a woman sacrifices the most in a war cause she lose her husband, brother or son(it is from a poem ig) Fuck,so a man sacrifices his damn life and a woman is the one who sacrifices most
[–]MozartFan5 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly its ridiculous. Being killed or surviving after being forced to kill other men, including civilians, watch your fellow soldiers get blown to pieces, and suffering PTSD for the rest of your life are both much worse than having a member of your family die. Honestly, do these idiots on Facebook that you mention have a brain?
[–]MozartFan5 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
They want to have their cake and eat it too, any excuse no matter how irrational will be made by these false feminists.
[–]BlinkBuster 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well that’s undoubtedly Rape culture
[–]weedsmokingjew1 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I hate this world. Talk about double standards. Feminists only want the good side of equality.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
White male privilege 😂🤣🤣
It's amazing how feminism is the larger movement than mens rights. We have proof of discrimination right here. While they argue about false discriminations such as the wage gap (still zero proof that women earn less than men for the same role with the same skills in the same company).
[–]Ononas 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wow, my support of Ukraine gov. suddenly dropped low
[–]Inevitable_Cup_70 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yet another example of male disposability.
[–]Zephyr9865 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree with you you, but the word is flooded, not inundated.
Român, nu? Nu cred că mai este vreo limbă unde se zice inundație.
[–]AdamChap 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yay making European men kill each other again! Also no sides are worth fighting for so I can't wait for the propaganda they pump out to make us kill each other this time. Imagine being FORCED to defend your country. I would lay down my guns for the Russians, I'm not going to be a pawn for NATO.
[–]NoorDaDoor 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
id be much more furious and hating towards people who put these discriminating and shitty laws than I'd be at the enemy.
[–]MozartFan5 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
What a disgusting example of society's continual support of male disposability! After seeing this order my support for sanctioning Russia has fallen out. The only women between 18 to 60 who should be allowed to escape Ukraine are pregnant women, women with children, and women incapable of military service because of disability. Yet does UN Women, the United Nationa organization responsible for gender equality, care about this egregious example of sexism against men? Of course not! Plenty of women are already fighting in combat roles in Ukraine and time and time again women have proven highly capable soldiers with many being stronger and more accurate soldiers than their male comrades. The biological notion of male disposability only is arguably justifiable when the human species is near extinction and that obviously is not the case right now. Why is it that simply because people happen to have an X chromosome and a Y chromosome that their lives are automatically considered disposable while those humans with two X chromosomes have their lives valued more? These men didn't choose to be born male! Not to mention that not every single male between 18 and 60 years old is a more capable soldier than every single female between 18 and 60 years old. Additionally almost all women between 50 and 60 years of age are incapable of having children so the biological reasoning behind male disposability makes no sense in that case yet those women are allowed to leave Ukraine. Just because it takes longer for society to recover from large numbers of women dying than large numbers of men doesn't mean it's ethical to vale the lives of women over te lives of men. Modern societies typically don't abandon infants born with down syndrome to die in the wild because they are from an evolutionary perspective a hindrance to human evolution. We value the lives of people with down syndrome because all human life has intrinsic value and its has equal value when people are of the same age.
Its just disgusting that Ukrainian men with dwarfism, physical disabilities, and mental disabilities are forced to stay behind in Ukraine simply because they are born male while 18 year old physically and mentally capable Ukrainian women can leave the country! The United States Congress just had a study released last year showing that women should be required to register for Selective Service because they are often just as physically and mentally capable of being good soldiers as men! (Thanks to stupid Republicans like Josh Hawley the amendment that would have required women to register for the Selective Service just as men already have to didn't become law.) Has the Ukrainian government taken note of all of the Kurdish women apart of military forces in combat roles such as the YPG in Syria, the PKK (which has over 30% of its forces being women who choose to join because the PKK is highly supportive of gender equality for women and despite the PKK being wrongly classified as a terrorist group by the USA and EU), and the Kurdish Autonomous Region in Iraq? Women have proven time and time again that they make great soldiers. When I went to basic training for the US Army out of over 150 trainees with over 75% of them being male the most accurate shooter was a woman from Detroit!
Shame on those Ukrainian women between 18-60 (except those who are pregnant, are bringing their children, or are incapable of military service due to a disability) who are abandoning their country while it is being invaded! I highly respect those women who have chosen to stay behind and help defend their country despite being given the chance to leave. If the gender roles were reversed the United Nations, European Union, and virtually all Western governments would be in outrage calling it sexism, misogyny, femicide, and so on. Ukraine must change this sexist policy immediately if it wants to be respected by those that believe that women and men are 100% equal. Women don't get to have their cake and eat it too. Equal rights means equal responsibilities when you are capable of fulfilling those responsibilities (except when protecting children and for pregnant women of course).
[–]ABCAJB 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I agree with your comment.I currently have a petition to call on congress and the senate to either abolish the selective service system or to expand it to require everyone to register. As you may know the current selective service is unconstitutional since it only applies to one gender which violates the 14th amendment of the constitution and the equal protections clause.I would really appreciate if you can look into and sign my petition to have equality in the law.
Link to my petition: https://chng.it/mtgBd6yn
[–]MozartFan5 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Thank you, I have already signed your petition.
[–]ABCAJB 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you for signing and if possible can you share this petition among your friends or around this site.I am spreading the word around as well since We need as many people to sign the petition for we can to make a Bold statement to congress and the senate that discriminatory laws such as the selective service system will not be tolerated and cannot stay that way in the law and the constitution.
[–]appletonappler 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Based on most of the interviews I hear, most don't need to be conscripted. On both sides of the gender spectrum.
[–]MozartFan5 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Can you provide links to these sources please?
[–]appletonappler 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Sorry mate just off cbc news
[–]dtyler86 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Literally came here to post this
Same here. I have lost all sympathy for Ukraine's government because of this.
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Feminism is a luxury belief. Girls can't lug as much equipment as men. They can't march as far. They can't drive or shoot as well. Also, they're not like ducks which have cork screw vaginas so they are not even grape proof. Perhaps most perplexing, they also come with war brides evolutionary psychology which allows them to flip sides as they observe the men's competition in terms of battle lines and settle with the winners.
[–]Starmind0 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Doesn't excuse drafting men.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I wonder if the death of so many men will make the inheritance gap bigger. Forget the income gap. Women inherit more than men through divorce simulated slaughter and the death of parents.
[–]AlMahmud_Jasimuddin 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What will 40+ aged people do in a war?! what do ukraine govt expect from them?! They should not force anyone aged 18-60 to go to war. This is human right violation.
[–]waterbottletops 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
it sucks for all ages dude. Drafting is stupid.
[–]aknabi 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Oh EU and US feminists are *not* gonna like the potential result of this... insanely hot Ukrainian women turning up on EU/US soil, enjoying looking their best and letting a man be in charge... feminists will go 100% mean girls on their amazing Ukrainian asses real quick.
Dude, east european women are just as horrible.It's the man that are not so tolerant of their feminism.
You put them in female supremacy tolerant enviroment and they're gonna be just as bad.
These ideas come naturally to women.Bad women aren't a result of feminism, feminism is a result of bad women.
[–]Organic-Brotha 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Everyone screams equal rights until it’s time to get your hands dirty
[–]alexander_1776 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link
60??? It would at least make sense if they said men ages 18-25 as that’s the strongest people, but SIXTY? YOU WOULD RATHER DRAFT A SIXTY YEAR OLD MAN THAN A HEALTHY EIGHTEEN YEAR OLD WOMAN???
Edit: I’m not saying that drafting young men would be okay. What I was trying to say is that drafting sixty year olds doesn’t even make sense.
[–]Starmind0 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Not even 18-25 is acceptable. This is utter disgusting misandry all around.
[–]alexander_1776 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
It isn’t acceptable, but it makes sense as males ages 18-20s are the strongest.
[–]Starmind0 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
No it doesn't. You should seriously quit talking about efficiency if you're not gonna apply it to everything, otherwise it's crystal-clear that your belief stems from misandry and carelessness of men's lives.
[–]alexander_1776 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I think I do tend to apply efficiency to many (if not most) of my beliefs and the way I live my life. Are there any specific cases you are referencing?
I wasn’t trying to say that drafting young men would be alright. I was trying to say that forcing sixty year olds to fight is stupid and completely ineffective as they cannot physically fight (until someone mentioned that men those ages may have USSR military training and would know how to fire which is likely why the age range is so large). I was trying to say that what they are doing is stupid in addition to being cruel.
[–]Starmind0 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
But that's not the only issue here. It's the inhumanity and carelessness of the disgusting sexism and misandry, which is drafting men and banning them from leaving the country. Anyone who is ok with that, supports it, or even simply stays silent should consider ceasing.
[–]Weak-Pressure-1114 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It’s because men 50+ lived through Soviet occupation and therefore have military training. The younger men have none. It’s about trying assemble a competent defense force out of civilians
[–]alexander_1776 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That makes sense, thank you for that information. Seems like they’re just trying to keep men that can shoot straight then.
[–]Vanriel 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I saw this earlier and it pissed me off. Doesn't surprise me though I saw a video earlier about self defense classes for women for wartime footing. No mention of the same for men.
This is clearly brought how society view men.
[–]Sensitive-Ad6609 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wow. Damn..
[–]SAUS__ 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
B-but the m-male privilege, this article is oppressing meeeeee /j
[–]camo_titanics_alt 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I present to you, a man's privilege to die and have women whine about how much they are the victim
Same shit that happened in Afghanistan last year. Young female refugees will be called heroes and given scholarships to the most prestigious universities. Young male refugees will be shamed for not choosing to decompose on their own soil.
[–]Mr-FBI-Man 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
How 'bout that gender pay gap 👀
[–]lonestarcom 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That’s fucking stupid
[–]saintofthepyre88 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Point this out to any feminist and she'll say "See, patriarchy hurts everyone"
Lol okay asshole, but I don't think a system that privileges on group above another as you say it does, would also view that same group as completely dispensable.
[–]JakeWasAlreadyTaken 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
All of modern day liberalism stems from from significant comforts. In times of true hardship, humans revert to what biologically made sense for thousands and thousands of years. Men become strong warriors and leaders, while women stay home and protect the family.
Personally, I think society was meant to be patriarchal, given that most cultures in the world followed that pattern.
[–]nanoepoch 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Men become strong warriors and leaders, while women stay home and protect the family.
That's the reason why Ukraine is being invaded in the first place, and why innocent men are being killed.
[–]cousinohwhytho 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
More men need to be vocal about our issues, most just brush it off unlike feminists
[–]aprettypansy 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Let's just put Putin in a cage with that Ukrainian president guy and have them wrestle each other, whoever wins wins the war. The government wants a fight, they can fight the leader of the other country they want to fight with. Or if they don't want to fight physically, they can play a game of chess or Tetris or something or they can have a tap dancing competition.
On a more serious note, conscription is nothing but slavery. Seeing it as anything else makes no sense.
If I was an old Ukrainian Babushka, I would definitely be there putting young men in old men costumes so they could leave the country. You can make the skin look wrinkly with PVA glue and make hair white with talcum powder. If they weren't asking for ID I honestly think this could work. My worry would be what would happen when they actually crossed the border, though. Would they be sent back?
[–]ladydeath6666 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's some of the negative consequences of patriarchy on men
[–]Adeus_Ayrton 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It is men who started the war, therefore they deserve it /s
[–]MRMRising 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I give it less than a week until we see that somewhere on Reddit or Twitter.
The racists will also say it about White's. "Putin is white, so white's deserve this".
[–]elebrin 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
I find myself having a serious, visceral reaction to this news and I am really torn between my two sides.
On the one side, being a man means taking responsibility. Part of that responsibility is for defending your home. It's important to be fit and capable in case such becomes necessary - it's why I do my best to eat right and work out. The more sensible of us also will take the time to learn how to shoot and learn martial arts well.
On the other side... man, I am a pacifist. I don't want to fight. I've never really lived anywhere I cared about enough to defend, and I have never cared about my community enough to bother, either. This side of me would run for the border, on foot if necessary. Failing that I'd hide, and failing that, well, I wouldn't be forced to fight. I'll do my training and as soon as the shooting comes my way I'll raise my hands, because I'm just not going to fight. For me, fighting means fighting for survival which is more about finding food, shelter, and water.
To be honest I am not sure which side of me would win that battle if such a thing came down upon me.
If nothing else, the dichotomy serves to re-enforce for me that the sort of defense that the men of Ukraine are being called upon to participate in is the most severe of sacrifices, and it's a reminder that such a sacrifice is something that deserves respect.
[–]Starmind0 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Being a man doesn't make them fucking disposable. Responsibility is a standard for adults including women, but you're not holding women accountable.
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[–]Starmind0 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
No, you're a misandrist who puts women on a pedestal. Women are capable of protecting, you're just making up childish bullshit to justify your sexism.
But honey I'm not gonna ignore how you're a troll.
[–]Starmind0 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Try harder troll.
[–]z770i1 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I will defend my home, if they gave me a choice.
[+]eddboat112 -11 points-10 points-9 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I'd say I'm a pacifist too. Fuck war and fuck dying for something that might not even matter to me.
But I see honor in standing up and defending our women and children, even if that means giving my own life. If we get drafted, it means we've gotten to the point where our own women and children are at risk (at least I hope, this would be the only reason I'd gladly respond to the draft.)
To each their own, however. Just because I may choose not to dodge a draft, doesn't mean I'd judge anyone who does.
[–]elebrin 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
But I see honor in standing up and defending our women and children, even if that means giving my own life.
Eh. The only thing a woman has ever told me was that I can't do something. I was told by women that I was too dumb for college I attended college and did quite well. I was told by women that I would never make it self employed. I did. I was told by women that I couldn't be a professional musician, that I wasn't good enough, that I wasn't attractive or smart enough. I did.
Maybe part of their role as women is to be encouraging and drive us towards our hopes and dreams in a positive way. If that is the case, then they failed me completely for sure. Every ounce of encouragement or positivity I have comes from within me. Nobody ever told me I could be successful, not even once, and especially not a woman.
I feel no great urge to defend them.
But, you know what? I know how to survive, and if it comes down to that, I will focus on my own survival above all else.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
For those commenting about 60 year olds, I read somewhere that older people had mandatory training during in the ussr and they dont have time to train everyone. Sort of an all hands on deck situation and experience is important.
[–]khun-snek-hachuling 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Feminists on suicide watch if they permitted the drafting of all the healthy women.
[–]hatefulreason 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
what if they self-identify as non-binary or as women ?
[–]Shortwawe 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
yeah that would fly in states like us and finland , not country like ukraine
[–]gamerlololdude 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Quick. Have them all identify as transgender.
[–]uzy111 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
But but but I heard women are the primary victims of war
everyone is.
War sucks. Its war.......
Everyone is violated and killed
[–]denvercaniac 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Our hearts are with you, Ukraine, you poor sons of bitches.
[–]FigurineLambda 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
« The real victims will be the women though! » as somone would say…
[–]JijoViale 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Wait, but this also includes transmen or whatever is called?
[–]FakinUpCountryDegen 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nah, you know better than that...
Nobody trying to be something they're not wants the parts they aren't jealous of... All that responsibility stuff - ain't nobody got time for that!
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You beat me by one second on this. Horrifying.
[–]SharqPhinFtw[S] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
13 hrs = one second
Tho it is horrifying. I'll always stand with the civilian cause we/they are always the ones being dragged into stuff while just following the laws and regulations, cause some people higher up in government aren't happy about current state of their laws and gotta fight
[–]AdamChap 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I bet the politicians sons are going to be able to leave the country though right?
[–]Millennial_Paleocon 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Are they really prepared to draft 60 year old men??
I'm so disapointed to see no women shout at this...
[–]nachobusiness101 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is horrible! Why are they demanding men for a bloodbath when drones exist and war should not happen in a perfect world? Putin has lost his fucking mind!
[–]SentientGrape -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Men get conscripted into war - a tale as old as time. Are you shocked?
[–]MozartFan5 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Just because it's a tale as old as time doesn't make it righteous. Because women were excluded from power and equal legal rights for almost all of human history doesn't make that morally right.
[–]SentientGrape -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What’s the alternative? Do you want women to fight in war instead
[–]MozartFan5 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Both men and women OR neither men nor women being forced to go to war if they don't want to. Equal rights means equal responsibilities.
[–]KataLight 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You can't blame every citizen in a country like that though. Most people are just trying to live their lives in peace. Those in power did things badly but that's hardly every joes fault. I'd rather let some people in that did bad shit then let thousands or even millions of innocent be denied.
[–]Amazing-Window-346 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
If russia was to invade your home land would you want to leave or fight
[–]SharqPhinFtw[S] 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Non-argument.
[–]DraganTehPro 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
I would leave lmao fuck that.
[–]DEVOmay97 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That's bullshit, the polish government for example is offering asylum to any Ukrainians fleeing the conflict for example, I know that to be a fact since I've seen the polish governments website specifically about it. This is probably put up by Russian trolls to keep people from leaving.
[–]SharqPhinFtw[S] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bot account confirmed. I've seen this copypasta all day and here it is completely unrelated.
Your argument is essentially "why aren't all North Koreans fleeing NK, south korea will accept them"
[+]Parzival_007 -9 points-8 points-7 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I don't think we should blame women here, what would you do if you were given a way out too? I think this is extreme sexism, but something tells me the men want to stay behind too, for their motherland.
Besides the feminist perspective isn't the global perspective. Many women are also choosing to remain behind, beside their families.
[–]DraganTehPro -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I don't think anyone's blaming women.
[–]Parzival_007 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Read through again, some are. Its nice if you aren't one of those people but some people here hate women.
Its black and white for some people with no in between....
[–]ChromoTec -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That... isn't what male privilege is.
Yes, they should let everyone out, but you're misconstruing what male privilege is which weakens the strength of the entire argument for men's rights
[–]NoorDaDoor 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
he was being satire about this being male privilege.
It's sarcasm buddy.
[–]Puzzleheaded_Brick34 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Y’all niggas weird
[–]CrackRockUnsteady -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Men send men to war. Don’t like it? Me neither, Join us in fighting the patriarchy.
[–]SharqPhinFtw[S] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Username checks out I guess
[–]CrackRockUnsteady -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Address the argument
[–]SharqPhinFtw[S] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Come with an argument
[–]CrackRockUnsteady -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Men make up 95% of world leaders, and therefore are the primary arbitrators of both war and conscription. Go on now, explain how this is actually women’s fault.
No, you're the one that brought up this being women's fault so please explain it.
[+]doodlelol -21 points-20 points-19 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
dude ngl, these kind of posts fucking suck. theres a full scale war going on, and people are using at as some kind of "gotcha". have some more respect.
Imagine you just turned 18 in Ukraine last week. Gotcha! Hahaha!
So funny haha haha
Get help bro
[–]Ononas 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I’m 18. I would have been a citizen of Ukraine if my parents wouldn’t luckily find a Jew-origin documents so we could flee from Russia to Israel. Now, I imagine myself reading this, understanding that only because I was born a man I have no choice but to fight and maybe die for a country that’s not even my homeland… Yes there is a war going on, but that’s not an excuse to violate my basic human rights. That’s not “gotcha” moments, that’s just cruel.
[+]xlaaane -15 points-14 points-13 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
it’s just like how dare you post this while you’re in all likelihood safe in your own home like it’s tone deaf and using peoples suffering as a pawn
[–]LettuceBeGrateful 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
using peoples suffering as a pawn
Complaining about discrimination while the discrimination is happening is not using its victims as pawns, it's pointing out their damn lack of rights.
[–]xlaaane -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
who made the policy in this conservative country? the government run by angry feminists? you dispose of each other
Wow, victim-blaming! Do you think women are a hivemind with collective guilt, too? I guess FGM doesn't matter to you because it's mostly women who push it on their daughters, right?
[–]xlaaane -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
every other sentence in this sub contains the word feminist which seems to be who you think is responsible for all of your problems and horrible “oppression”
[–]LettuceBeGrateful 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well, when feminist groups in multiple countries have successfully defeated laws recognizing male rape victims, when an explicitly feminist DV framework is responsible for male abuse victims being more likely than their female abusers to be arrested, when the largest feminist organization in America calls men denied due process "bullies and rapists," when that same organization successfully fought against wildly popular family court reform, and when people like you simultaneously defend feminism and treat men with the original sin of collective guilt...makes sense to point the finger at feminism.
You do realize the difference between criticizing an activist ideology, and lumping together everyone with a certain set of innate characteristics, right? Because I'm doing the former. You're doing the latter, and that's bigotry.
[+]doodlelol -15 points-14 points-13 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
EXACTLY. dont politicize violence
Do you also think we shouldn't discuss how to stop school shootings after someone shoots up a school?
Pointing out discrimination isn't wrong. Wringing your hands over OP's tone instead of the problem he's complaining about (men forced to be cannon fodder) is wrong.
[+]Jopatam -6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Don't use a war for your stupid fucking agenda. This is not about men vs women.
[–]MozartFan5 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
He never said this is about men vs women. Its about powerful male politicians creating sexist rules that put the lives of men as young as 18 at risk of death, injury, and mental illness even if they don't want to participate in the war. You're the sexist idiot here. Since when was asking for equal treatment under the law a "stupid fucking agenda"? What a hypocrite you are!
Hmm but they have no problem pushing their agendas + war agendas
Who's they? Idk but it's about equal to your vague accusation.
[–]International-Neck-5 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly.
[–]leavingcarton -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yah it’s not fair but life in general Isn’t fair (case & point the situation in Ukraine in 24 hours it all just went to shit) & reality is sexist, you can’t honestly believe women are actually to be useful in any actual combat! somethings need to be handled by men and unfortunately fighting a war is 1 of them as it has been since the beginning.
[–]daniellederek -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So like are mail order brides coming back as a thing?
[–]Thelfod -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Uhm it's a war I assume they need all these guys to fight right?
[–]AdamChap 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah the government is going to force the population to fight instead of relying on trained soldiers that are paid to fight. That's always good isn't it?
[–]SnappyAircraft -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
On one side it's inequality.
But we are born for fighting. It's in our blood.
[–]MozartFan5 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Please read this reply I made earlier. Your argument for sexism against males not only is illogical but more importantly is incredibly immoral and unethical. You should be ashamed for having such a sexist opinion. Simply because I am born male which I have no control over doesn't mean that I should have to risk my life in war, be forced to kill other men including civilians, watch my fellow soldiers die and be injured, risk serious injury, and experience all of the horrors of war which leaves you with PTSD. All this simply because I happened to be conceived with an X and Y chromosome! It doesn't matter if men are generally physically stronger than women ON AVERAGE, I am a human being and my life is equally valuable to a woman's no matter what physical advantages I may have over most women. Not to mention that I am sure that there are thousands of Ukrainian women who are physically stronger than I am and better potential soldiers.
It's not in our blood, plenty of Kurdish women have fought and killed ISIS soldiers and helped defeat them. We use guns now where most of what you need is good aim and the ability to pull a trigger not fists or swords.
It is a sexist societal construct that only men should be forced to go to war just like the sexist societal construct that women should stay in the home and take care of the children without pursuing a career. Eliminating sexist societal constructs goes both ways especially when people are killed or risk serious injury.
[–]TheLadyBugPrincess -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Both sexes have their pros and cons
[–]MozartFan5 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The cons of being male are far worse. Being forced to conscript into armed service and stay in your country as it is being invaded by a far superior military force in which you are likely to die, be wounded, see your brothers-in -arms die, be forced to kill other men, get PTSD, and experience all of the horror of ear is far worse than anything Ukrainian women who aren't leaving their country are experiencing right now. How would you feel if you were a Ukrainian woman and you were forced to stay inside Ukraine and fight while men are free to escape the country as refugees? Not so nice then is it?
[+][deleted] -59 points-58 points-57 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Both sides are trash, do not pick one
[–]SharqPhinFtw[S] 37 points38 points39 points 4 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
You're right
Both the men, potentially kids that literally just turned 18, and the government that forces them to fight while all the officials get to live in luxury, yep those are both equally trash. /S for any other degens
edit: I didn't like telling him to get fucked anymore after 1 reply said he could have meant Russia/Ukraine tho it wasn't so obvious
[–]SharqPhinFtw[S] 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Russia as far as I've seen seems to only draft for those recon units that have been surrendering left and right. The rest are a professional army. Tho agreed draft is shitty regardless of a side
You misunderstood, i was talking about the governments of the 2 countries
[+]Alienscented -8 points-7 points-6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Meanwhile in other countries in the middle east or Africa it’s the opposite... men flee women stay
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Do you have any source?.
Also, that could be happening because that's one of the few ways to get a better economical situation for their families...
[–][deleted] 4 years ago (39 children) | Copy Link
[–]windblows187 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
So where are the feminists fighting for the right to go into the draft then?
This is the one chance feminists have to make it on the world stage for true equality and to silence the Men's Rights Movement, as this is one of the biggest arguments the Men's movement has. So where are the feminists? Silent?
Can not choose what you want equality for. Just like the US lowered the standard to enter the military just so weak women can sign up, women must now also be drafted and not allowed out just like men for equality. Whats wrong? Dont like it?
[+]Hifen -17 points-16 points-15 points 4 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
I mean, the feminist movement you're talking about is not really present in the Ukraine, so what are you talking about?
Also, women have the right not to be sexually harassed, to vote and to be treated the same in the work place without having to play the draft game with you.
The draft isn't about "princples and equality", it's a last ditch effort at a nations survival.
"Fuck, we told John he's not allowed to slap Erica's ass in the office any more, welp, guess we got to allow ourselves to be annexed now".
You've never been drafted, stop acting like a victim.
[–]BloodyUserOfNames 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Fuck you. I’ve been drafted and I’ve seen the horrors of war. I’d rather never see my brothers die in a selfish war by a fascist prime minister
[–]BloodyUserOfNames 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You don’t have a right to be sexually assaulted. It just happens. Anyone with a sane mind is against it.
[–]BloodyUserOfNames 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Why should they die? Why don’t women draft into the war because of their independence?
[–]Hifen -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
No one should have to die, but war is an inevitable part of the human experience. The fact that this sub is solely based on the "but whatabout women...." Whines, is again why no one takes it seriously.
I'm sure you can ask any of those men today that were drafted if they want their wives and daughters next to them on the front line.
[–]windblows187 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly, which proves the point, we are different.
[–]Anonymdudee 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women should fight in a war equally as men and if feminists say otherwise they disprove their own ideology and cant be taken serious.
[–]BloodyUserOfNames 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
So a man should die because he’s male. And I’m sure those men back then would rather come back rather than be guilt tripped into war.
[–]Hifen -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
No one should die and obviously no one wants to go towar, jfc. This sub is clearly the lowest denominator.
[–]bara_enthusiast 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Definitely just draft the women and none of the men. Easy
[–]Hifen -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
See, this is a silly sub. We don't draft women for the same reason we don't want women firefighters.
[–]windblows187 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Why is that?
[–]bara_enthusiast 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Draft only women then
[–]windblows187 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yup, a last ditch effort for a nation's survival that should be gender neutral for equality. The end. There is no argument here. If it is male only, it is mysognist, as it is not allowing women to participate in the war. What happened?
[–]Ren_kurusu 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
You really dont see a problem with this????
[+]Hifen -28 points-27 points-26 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
I mean its an unfair but inevitable part of the human experience. But no one here is in the Ukraine or at risk of being drafted, its just a bunch of babies trying to self victimize. I guarantee the people affected this are not crying out at "feminism".
[–]waterbottletops -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
One day when you become president go send all the women only to war. Problem solved
[–]ScarAdvanced9562 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
lmao, your entire comment history is cringe. imagine replying to every single post here
I was wondering what you were talking about and then I remembered I made a new account.
But yeah this subreddit was interesting and a hot take, so why not... I'm sure we all got a few sludge of comments in one post lol, Im definitely not the only one so its not that cringe.
If that's cringe then I don't know what to respond about that. Maybe ignore me lol.
[–]Ren_kurusu 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's not exploiting anything seriously. It's just pointing out the shitty situation that men as a whole are facing in Ukraine now. It's not something like DESTROYIN FEMINIST LOGIC or anything like that. It's just about addressing the shitty situation which men are facing right now. That's what this sub is for right? Addressing men's problems?
[–]Frosty-Gate-8094 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
When american men (or other western men) say that women have already achieved equality and feminism isnt required, you guys give the excuse pf some middle-eastern or islamic country. (Well feminism is required there, so its not irrelevant.).
But now that western men are asking for equal rights for men in eastern european country, you are saying that we people affected there aren't crying about feminism?
Of course they don't, they have bigger issues to tackle. Most women from islamic countries do not complain about hijab either. That doesn't mean its not oppressive.
[+]SimpleBuffoon -12 points-11 points-10 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
We're more capable. Why shouldn't we be on the front lines?
Edit: Downvotes with no explanation... I'm simply stating that we have the better "Let's fight" biology of the situation. If anyone who's downvoting me could please explain how I'm wrong I'm more than happy to listen.
Yeah...
That's the same logic behind only letting straight couples have babies and teaching women to be exclusively house-wives, so... Literal shooting on your feet.
[–]SharqPhinFtw[S] 24 points25 points26 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You're right, we need equal rights right up until it stops being enjoyable, Let's go Feminism!
[–]bara_enthusiast 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Many mens rights users are russian / ukranian or like me live in nearby countries that may get affected.
Go back to being a piece of shit out of my sight
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Feminists are psychopathic murderous heartless terrorists, what did you expect?
[–]bara_enthusiast 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
We're talking about civilians being forced into military action. Why wouldn't ukranians be mad about it? Why wouldn't russians who have "mandatory" (read forced) military serveice and don't agree with the war be mad.
I am pretty sure while yes most men wouldn't have the time to post here in a crisis because it's a crisis IT IS THE EXACT THING WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IN PEACE TIMES.
YOU ALREADY VIEW CITIZENS AS SOLDIERS.
WOMEN AND FEMINISTS HAVE 0 EMPATHY
FUCK OFF
[–]Dapper_Lake -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Bro this is a fucking war, of course theyre gonna arm every thing with an xy chromozome god damn
[–]MozartFan5 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Is this sarcasm?
[–]Dapper_Lake -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No it isn’t, what are women finna do, slow down the whole division with their inferior body build and slower marching speed?
[–]SpolaInteNerTorky -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
It is a privilege to stay and fight for your country.
[–]DraganTehPro 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It is a privilege
Is that how we call oppression and slavery nowadays?
[+]KuntaKingVer -31 points-30 points-29 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
what a sad sub to exist
[–]SharqPhinFtw[S] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Here I'll quote you
dude shut the fuck up, it ain't your country don't tell people to fuck their home up and potentially put their family in danger. go fuck up your own country so your president can intervene
dude shut the fuck up, it ain't your country don't tell people to fuck their home up and potentially put their family in danger.
go fuck up your own country so your president can intervene
[–]KuntaKingVer -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
the fuck? neckbeard here wants to quote me without making a point? lmao
stay a virgin.
[–]SharqPhinFtw[S] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Can you help me become a virgin? Is "unvirginity" reversible somehow?
[–]KuntaKingVer -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
some weak ass response over something to get fixated on.
you're doing fine staying a virgin.
[–]SharqPhinFtw[S] 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
You fixated on something you can't confirm or deny in me and which wouldn't have an effect on the argument. Tell me which is more deranged.
[–]KuntaKingVer -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
the fuck? neckbeard here wants to quote me without making a point? lmao stay a virgin.
hmm check again. it was a sparing comment. your following response was pure fixation. dragging three little words rent free. the overcompensation confirms that "virginity" is a touchy issue for you.
Tell me which is more deranged.
who fuck is talking about deranged. man life is tough for you, you ain't bright or getting laid.
[–]SharqPhinFtw[S] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
you addicted to me or smt? You're not my uncle lol tryna explain shit like you're drunk and everyone's stopped giving a fuck long ago
[–]KuntaKingVer -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
thats some off topic weak ass npc shit
[–]SharqPhinFtw[S] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
>thats some off topic weak ass npc shit
thanks for finally self-reflecting. Know the amount of NPCs who couldn't hold an argument because of it so you're really growing now as a person
[+][deleted] -74 points-73 points-72 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
The reason they can’t leave is bc they need every possible personell unit on the ground. I’m for mens rights but this is childish. Y’all should be a shamed. The reason men r in the draft is because they’re physically stronger than women and they’re the re-guard in this case.
[–]AcariciadorDoGado 54 points55 points56 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The world would be a better place if both sexes were treated fairly but never equally because there's no true possible equality. As you said. Men are stronger.
However, you cannot shit on men daily with "toxic masculinity, patriarchy", parental fraud, child custody, "wage gap", "fighting for equality", and then, when convenient, men have to give up their lives and become cannon food while women are being sheltered and taken care of.
Nowadays wars aren't fought with brute force. It helps, but everyone falls the same with some lead drilled in the brain. They wanted equality? They got it. Time to defend the country. They also voted/supported the administration that led to conflict.
[–]SharqPhinFtw[S] 34 points35 points36 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ok so we can discriminate on rights depending on physical characteristics
[–]windblows187 27 points28 points29 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You want equality? You send in both women and men. Simple.
You CAN NOT go choosing what you want equality for. Bad luck on the physically stronger stuff now. Since you all can change the military standards just to let women in for equality, then they can now go to war, for equality.
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Why should they be forced to do anything against their will just because of their sex assigned at birth?
That's like saying we should force women into brothels because they have wombs and should serve society.
[–]Starforce2005 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Involuntary military service = Slavery, the most worst form of slavery
A government that enslave its people is no better than the invader, to the people that is forced to kill or die, there is no difference to them.
[–]omegaphallic 24 points25 points26 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's morally repugnet. The draft is a form of slavery and the corrupt regime in the Ukraine isn't worth dying for.
[–]Kindly-Town 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women can still help in protecting, coordinating and aiding injured soldiers. Modern warfare is done by machines, not by hand.
[–]OlivineTanuki 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ah yes a 60 year old man is physically stronger than a 20 year old woman
[–]Starmind0 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Tell me you worship women without telling me.
[–]pargofan -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Yes. But who declared this? A man.
Who supports this? Probably most men in Ukraine.
It sucks that only men are being asked to fight. But it's men that are doing this, not women. It's not as if women are telling men to fight, while they slink across the border.
[–]MozartFan5 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
That doesn't make it any less wrong. Most of us aren't blaming women for the problem we are just calling out sexism against men regardless of who the perpetrator of the sexism is as well as anyone who defends the sexist rule. The vast majority of sexism against men in this world is caused by powerful and wealthy men, not women. Simply because we criticize a sexist rule against men doesn't mean that we are inherently blaming women for the rule.
[–]pargofan -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Agreed. Except it's not even powerful & wealthy men. It's just men. I bet the average Ukraine man thinks this way, for instance. I just think men should think in truly equality ways.
[–]DraganTehPro 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Who supports this?
Like 10 rich people maybe?
[+]SelkoBrother -6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Stop complaining. This is war. Nobody wins in a war. Women aren't strong like men. You expect women to leave their children and die? A man has to protect his family because he's supposed to be strong. We should bitch about being men.
[–]SharqPhinFtw[S] 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Woman can choose to leave. Man cannot choose to leave. That is all.
[+]SelkoBrother -6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
True. It's sad man. If they don't fight, nobody will. Nobody wins from war. I wished they wouldn't have to.
[–]MozartFan5 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There are plenty of women in Ukraine who are childless and there are already thousands of women, including mothers, serving in the Ukrainian military. Your argument is bullshit. Who are you to say what men are and aren't supposed to be? We can be whatever the hell we want to be just like women as long as we don't do anything immoral. Also read this reply I made earlier:
[–]MozartFan5 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
You expect men to leave their children and die? Since when did the law say that mothers are more important than fathers. And if both parents die the child could be adopted or raised in a good orphanage, at the end of the day the child still gets to live on while we have true gender inequality. Would you sacrifice an adult's life so that the child gets to grow up with one of their parents rather than being adopted or growing up in an orphanage. The lives of children are more important than adults obviously but not so much more important that their ability to be raised by their biological parents is more important than an adults life, especially that of an 18 year old just starting out in life. Equal rights mean equal responsibilities.
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[–]MozartFan5 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
So do the women who are capable of military service.
[–]MozartFan5 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Anyways why do women get a choice as you state with "if they want to yes" but not men?
[–]hacibeko 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
are we back to the 1800s? i thought people would call others sexist when saying woman should stay in the kitchhen,should cook, taking care of children?! so no more equality when shit hits the fan i guess?
[–]hacibeko 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
i know thats what im saying. but women want equality with men. saying "we can do it the same as men" but if shit hits the fan they dont wanna fight like the men must ... also all countries have female soldiers... so what is their job if they dont wanna fight? why they are in the military then in the first place? just for decoration.?
[–]MozartFan5 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
So you are sexist against both men and women by supporting traditional gender roles? Read my reply here:
[–]MozartFan5 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
A fact pulled out of your ass. A Congressional study with the work of years of research determined in 2021 that women should be eligible for Selective Service in the United States. They studied the physical differences of males and females as well as psychological differences and many other variables. Plenty of women already have and currently do serve in combat and prove just as capable and even better fighters than men. Even if women were not physically and psychologically capable of combat, which isn't true, they could serve in non-combat roles which would help Ukraine even more. The more personnel who stay in the country the better
[+]International-Neck-5 -29 points-28 points-27 points 4 years ago (26 children) | Copy Link
Cmon, this isn’t about equal rights between men and women at all. That’s the last thing on their minds. They’re so down and desperate they created a draft of sorts. They’re on the brink of losing everything. Equal rights is a luxury reserved for peacetime affluent countries.
[–]bara_enthusiast 24 points25 points26 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Draft the women too
[+]International-Neck-5 -11 points-10 points-9 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I’m sure that’s coming next…
[–]bara_enthusiast 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Should've come first
[+]International-Neck-5 -14 points-13 points-12 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Why? Men are physically stronger than women. Plus I don’t think they’re as progressive as the US in terms of gender equality.
[–]bara_enthusiast 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Justice
[–]International-Neck-5 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
For whom? 😳
[–]bara_enthusiast 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The men who have died in every war forcibly
Let men take care of the kids while women fight for a change
[–]Starmind0 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
It IS about equal rights. People who hate war should have the ability to get out, but now men there can't. And you're justifying that like a misandrist.
[–]International-Neck-5 -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
For the government, survival supersedes equal rights by far. Gender equality is so on the back burner for sure. They have more pressing issues like missiles hitting civilian targets, and the like. I think it’s like that for the people too. They’re hunkered down in the underground train stations to escape the missiles and bombs. They don’t give a shit about equal rights right now, they’re trying to survive! It’s life or death…
People who don’t want war should be able to get out? It’s way too late for that don’t you think? Do you think the women have a free pass to bone out? By the looks of things it doesn’t look that easy. So if you’re drafted you’ve gotta stay, and if you’re a woman or child, leaving is looking tough. Also what about the folks who want to stay? The real ones who claim Ukraine as their motherland.
The ship is sinking and you’re worried about getting your clothes wet…
[–]Starmind0 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
"Hitting civilian targets"? Or women? Cause last time I checked, you don't send the people you care about to war and lock them in war zones like brutes. Gender equality is not a fucking luxury, it's a necessary human right and the lack of it is exactly why those men are dying. Because of women-worshipping misandrists like you. Women in Ukraine CAN leave, and a hard leave is much better than a force stay then death.
No honey, the ship sinking and men were fucking refused to be saved, shot in the head for trying to survive, and banned from lifeboats. Titanic all over again. You're nothing but a brute.
[–]International-Neck-5 -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
At least I don’t call you names with a condescending tone.
You’re misguided about what’s important here. You’re thinking like an American in a Ukrainian situation. I doubt if 1 Ukrainian is seriously thinking about gender equality right now. At the same time I bet there are more than a few Ukrainians who choose to stay.
You’re conjuring up a fantasy world where the Ukrainian government is strong arming its citizenry to fight. Has it occurred to you that maybe some want to fight? Refuse to leave? I mean, it is a highly nationalistic country.
[–]Starmind0 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
I will call you every name for justfying utter misandry that is literally killing men right now but you're so much of a fucking misandrist that you can't even realize it. THOUSANDS of those Ukrainian men and boys WILL and ARE thinking about gender equality since all their lives are done once they reach the boarders and realize no man or boy is allowed to leave. Locking them to die even if they're young, old, incapable, peaceful, sick, or simply don't want to participate in this war.
[–]International-Neck-5 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
You’re running amok. Calm down and relax please. What stake do you have in this conflict? Probably none. Yet you continue to apply your Western ideas to an Eastern country’s issues. Your American views are naive, and are of somebody who has never been touched by a war, much less somebody who has travelled to a foreign country before. It’s very laughable how irrelevant and meaningless your statements are. You’re so off and you don’t see it.
[–]Starmind0 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Who said I was from the west? And how the fuck are human rights "west ideas"? If this is all American views, then why not draft women and lock them on the country with men too? Or is that too inhuman for you, misandrist? Go worship women in your man-hating cave, brute.
[–]International-Neck-5 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Why am I a man hater? A misandrist? You don’t know me. And aren’t you from the West? What about this new country you’re talking about? You sound so funny. What the fuck, focus lady… 😂
[–]Starmind0 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
A misandrist for defending misandry. Defending drafting men and locking them in war zones to die. Is that hard for you to understand?
[+][deleted] -37 points-36 points-35 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Y'all are cunts
mr: dude, why the fuck we should die in this war? ?: cUnT
[+]Harry_Johnston -9 points-8 points-7 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Ik I'm going to get downvoted for this. I dont believe women should receive the draft or be conscripted to fight in any conflict.
Men are naturally more fit to fight, I don't blame the Ukrainian government for enacting such a law, given the horrific circumstances they find themselves in. Someone needs to look after the children and run hospitals.
Ideally they want to remove as many civilians as possible from the conflict to avoid unnecessary loss of civilian life. It's the smartest move given the dire circumstances.
[–]NoorDaDoor 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
not all men are fit enough physically or mentally to fight either (they even want men aged 50 to 60 to stay you telling me a 60yr old man is more fit than a 28 year old woman? )plus i was told that women are strong and all that? but also we are at modern warframe physical strength is much less of a demand now than it was years ago and there are positions that
why not just mandate "fit individuals" to stay.
[–]Harry_Johnston -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
There are, in the form of logistics and medical support roles.
As a general rule of thumb, however, a 60 year old man would be far more capable of defending his country than most 28 year old women. There is a reason why even many western nations still allow people in their 60s to serve. Obviously not all 60 year old men can, and there are some women who are capable of taking on combat roles, but they are the minority, regardless of age.
Women are not physically stronger than men, that is a somewhat dangerous myth portrayed by largely left-leaning feministic media sources.
It is not less of a demand now than it was 100 years ago. Maybe moreso than in the early modern period or the medieval period where motorised assets such as trucks and mechanized vehicles didnt exist.
The Russian military outnumbers the ukrainian military nearly four times. The Ukrainian government has had no choice but to enact this law for the survival of the country.
The Ukrainian government is actually more likely to win the war if it conscripts women according to the same standards as men. Thats why women are allowed to be in all roles in the US military despite on average being physically weaker than men. Having women conscripted in the military if they are better at their jobs than men obviously makes the military stronger and more likely to succeed!
[–]NoorDaDoor 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
im not arguing that they should not force the citizens to fight here (yet i personally believe in my right to have a choice) im saying if its a matter of fitness they could have mandated all fit citizens to stay. if such criteria was to be applied for sure the percentage of seen to be fit males would be higher than that of female probably by a big margin but the point is to be fair and not descriminate.
[–]Harry_Johnston -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Sorry but the fact is men are naturally physically stronger than women. There are exceptions to the rule but there are far too many factors to consider.
Ukraine is being invaded on three sides, the south from Crimea, through the Donbass region in the east, and through Belarus in the North.
When it comes to the survival of their nation, they have no time to think about sexism or particularities. Time is of the essence and they likely dont have time to filter through a demographic that is largely unfit to fight anyway. Like you said, 75% of those who you trained with were male, despite making up only 50% of the population. There is a clear disparity there.
Nothing is stopping women from signing up if they are fit enough, however somebody needs to stay at home to look after the children, run the hospitals and act as nurses. When an entire country is mobilised then someone needs to fill these roles.
It's easy to criticize the ukrainian government when we sit at home, at peace. Ukrainian citizens are living through hell right now, and are trying to make the best out of a terrible situation. They are receiving little to no aid from anyone else and are left alone fighting one of the most powerful nations on earth.
[–]MozartFan5 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
There are so many roles in the military that don't require being physically strong. Anyways, being a combat soldier such as a sniper doesn't always require being as physically strong as the average man. All you have to do is aim well and pull a trigger. Women who are physically weak just like men who are physically weak can be snipers, pilots, medics, logistics specialists, tank drivers, air traffic controllers, communications specialists, technicians, mechanics, chaplains, and serve in so many non-combat and combat roles that don't require much physical strength. Even then, as I've already said forcing men to fight and die and war simply because they are on average physically stronger than women is still not morally or ethically excusable to discriminate based on gender especially when it comes to life and death and even regardless of whether it hinders military capability or reproductive population recovery or not.
[–]Harry_Johnston -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
For sure, and in fairness I actually delved into it a little bit in another comment I made.
However ukraine has already got a fully trained armoured corps, individuals who are trained in not operating a tank / armored vehicle but also in the maintenance and upkeep of such a vehicle.
Training to be a sniper is not quite that simple, obviously there are the marksmanship principles that could probably be taught within a day or so, but concealment is also an important factor, which may take longer. Weapons maintenance needs to also be taught and individuals need to be capable of remaining out in the elements for days at a time.
Ukraine is losing the war in the air, Russia is targeting Ukrainian air defences and it doesn't seem likely that they will be able to recover. It's only a matter of time until it's airforce is left grounded or destroyed. It's not realistic that anyone is going to be recruited into any of these roles at this point.
The situation in ukraine is dire, I just dont believe that the Ukrainian government has any other option.
I've said this to another redditor, but from all accounts Ukraine would actually benefit more if women were forced to stay except for the three exceptions I just mentioned. If the border guards are able to distinguish between a 17 year old and an 18 year old they can for sure check to see if the woman is pregnant, has children of her own, or has a physical and/or mental disability. A dire situation doesn't justify forcing physically and mentally disabled men incapable of serving in the military to stay in Ukraine. As I said earlier women with children should be allowed to leave. If they can check whether a man is 17 or 18 or if a man is 60 or 61 they can certainly check if the woman's children are her own by a quick question with the children away from the woman and asking for identification/records. If these children still can't be identified send the women over and wait later to identify them. Plus there aren't enough children in Ukraine for every woman crossing the border to claim one as her own especially with the country's rapidly declining population and very low birth rate.
If the woman is more suited for military service than the father whether it be her education, physical strength or previous military-related training she should be chosen but most of the time the father will be chosen. But of course with the dire situation parents will decide for themselves for the time being. However, childless women who aren't pregnant and are physically/capable of military service can easily be identified and sent to war. There is no excuse to have such a sexist rule in place when it violates what it means to be a human being. To be sent to war simply because you were born male regardless of your suitability for military service while women are exempt is so immoral that the issue is honestly more important than the survival of Ukraine as an independent nation. Anyways, Ukraine will lose unless there's sustained guerilla warfare and Ukraine will need all the help it can get from childless capable women! You sir are wrong both morally and logically.
As to the time it takes to be trained women have proven time and time again in wars that they can take up arms, shoot, and run fast in guerilla warfare such as the Dutch women insurgents during the time of Nazi-occupied the Netherlands. In fact the fastest woman in the world ran less than 1 second slower than the fastest man in the world Usain Bolt. As to my example of the Detroit born woman who was the best shooter in a class of over 150 trainees with over 75% being male we were all volunteering soldiers and none of us were conscripted. It. Says a lot about women being as good or even better soldiers than men even when they are the minority of soldiers jn a class.. Also forcing women to conscript doesn't mean that combat roles will be 50/50 for gender but people will be determined by individual capability not purely out of the basis of men being on average stronger than women. Childless non-pregnant women are needed to do non-combat roles so that more men and combat-capable women can engage in the front lines while childless women and men not suited for combat roles can support combat troops from behind. Armies always need support personnel and in fact in nearly every conventional modern war such as this one there are more non-combat support soldiers than combat infantry soldiers. Someone needs to run the supply lines, drive the trucks, send communications, retrieve ammunition, provide medical support, provide logistical support, and maintain order among civilians staying behind to fight.
It is realistic that people will be recruited into those roles because medics and logistics specialists may require minimum training as any help no matter how little is better than none. The more help whether non-combat or combat the better. Anyways President Zelensky is calling on all childless adults whether civilians or not to stay home and fight. Civilian women could easily pick up a rifle and snipe from their homes just as men can or help men in supportive roles. Plenty of childless civilian women who aren't being recruited into the military already are. I'm sorry sir but no matter how you look at it there is no justification whether logically or morally for keeping the status quo on the sexist rule. If Ukraine is immoral enough to need such a sexist rule to survive (which it doesn't need the rule as it hurts Ukraine more than it helps) then its not a country worth saving as an independent state.
[+]YeOldeBunghole -22 points-21 points-20 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
This thread is full of pussies
[–]NekoiNemo 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
What "pussies"? Their government is giving them civilian weaponry and throwing them against an organised army and vehicles. It's literally a meatgrinder. And it isn't done in a war for survival like in WW2, but in a coup to simply overthrow the government and replace US puppets with Russian ones.
So, people here are "pussies" because we do not think Ukrainian civilians (male only) should be used as cannon fodder for the sake of a dick measuring between US and Russia?
[+]YeOldeBunghole -11 points-10 points-9 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You have a better way for Ukraine to resist being taken over by Russia and probably thousands of civilian casualties anyway? We'd all love to hear it
[–]NekoiNemo 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dunno. But if their army isn't enough - bunch of unorganised, untrained and barely armed civilians aren't going to tip the scales
[–]Acceptable_Peak_6723 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Do you really think Ukraine can resist being taken by russia?!?!? It's like the equivalent to the USA deciding to take over Mexico. It will take time but the result will be inevitable. What has happened thus far is like putin flicking Ukraine on the forehead. This isn't even the tip of the iceberg. The only hope is for russian soldiers to stop themselves. Even then Russia is the worlds leader in nuclear bombs. If putin wanted this to be over today it would be over. He's gonna wear them down slowly and no amount of taxi cab drivers, construction workers, and college men with guns are going to stop this.
[+]emix75 -22 points-21 points-20 points 4 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
It’s not discrimination, this is in the constitution. Same for other countries. Who the fuck is going to defend? Pink haired feminists? Fuck this western shit. Men are men, women are women, we are not the same and nit interchangeable. No one sees this as discrimination in any sane society.
[–]NekoiNemo 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
It’s not discrimination, this is in the constitution.
Women not being allowed to vote or own land also was in the constitution. So that wasn't discrimination either? Or do we have a classic case of double standards here?
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