Stop making 1 to 1 comparisons between men and women. We are biologically different. Also stop looking at female attraction through a male lens.

Flash_4_Crab · 2023-06-15T03:52:36+00:00

There has been plenty of studies that show Women have a "Bar" for attractiveness that needs to be meet for any of that other stuff to matter. Female attraction is also much less diverse it's really just Hyper masculine or Pretty boys. "but but i've seen good looking women with ugly men". The dude is almost always Mid not ugly and she views it as settling. Also, exceptions don't make the rule.
Women are the less attractive sex. Higher obesity, less in shape statistically. Not that this matters.
"In General women have less sexual partners than men" Someone failed Math class.

MistyMaisel · 2023-06-14T19:22:23+00:00

This is exactly what I try to explain to men all the time. It's far too rational for purge week tho. Gonna need you to sit down until next week!

upalse · 2023-06-14T23:33:48+00:00

Sure it's purge week, but your transphobia is uncalled for.

Active-Razzmatazz-86 · 2023-06-15T04:55:50+00:00

In general, women have less sexual partners than men

Bro u talking about 1950s? Many women lei about their number of sexual partners when put to lie detectors they accepted they lied about their body count and it was higher.Many women don't count handjob blowjob in their sex count .Avg women has lots more sexual experience than avg men but top men high n count makes it look like all men getting plenty

RahLyt · 2023-06-14T21:06:48+00:00

100% true but women do the same. I'd argue they do it a bit worse.

"Why wouldn't you prefer a women who has experience, don't you prefer good sex?"

Lol not even the bluest haired male feminist would say "Yeah, I chose her because she's very good in bed, due to the experience she accumulated along the years". He would die a bit inside.

Also the women who get their life together at 38 and think they are at the peak of their attractiveness now because they are more confident than they ever were, know their boundaries, etc. And really believe that of men don't find them attractive they are insecure and intimidated.

Educational_Ad4410 · 2023-06-14T19:24:04+00:00

It’s just looks and basic functional social skills (nothing special, most people have this). Stop trying to make female attraction so special, they superficial like men.

You could argue that women are more superficial. Men have varied tastes in mass. That’s why you see fat women, ugly women, old women with tons of matches on dating apps, men being phrased “sleeping with anything with a pulse” (I have never seen a woman called this).

Maractop · 2023-06-14T19:28:21+00:00

Men find way more women attractive than the other way around.Look at this. Those top guys get the same raw attraction men have for most women.

And if what you said was the case why do the most attractive people on apps have the most matches and opportunity to date? Shouldnt everyone get a chance to show their personality off if looks werent so important? I get everyone wants to date someone atttactive and thats fine.

And with your last paragraph I get that women have struggles but it is easier to for them to find someone because they generally have more options that men do. They have less sexual partners generally because they dont find most men attractive like you said. If they found more men attractive it would they still have less partners? Idk but its just something to think about. I even seen something that said women are more aroused by other women than men. So I do think most women would agree that women are more attractive. I dont know if women generally are attracted to male body the way men are to a womans body. Just my thoughts on it

DancesWithMyr · 2023-06-14T19:06:11+00:00

Women find the grand majority of men to be sexless nothings. Add to the small minority they do find attractive that at least half of those men are conventionally attractive to and beloved by most women, and the average man's chances plummet even further

Women don't find men hot, they find the best men hot. They settle for the rest.

Fogofit24 · 2023-06-15T07:56:32+00:00

If I am going off my female friends and family, this is somewhat true but inconsistent. Or maybe the word is confusing. I agree that women need context to feel attraction to most men. So I've seen them get turned on by an attractive man walking by them, but maybe they would not find him attractive if they just saw a picture. But there a few things that guys don't get, including myself.

I'm friends with many attractive guys who get may matches and get looks on the street. On the street, women eye fuck them. I would say that's a 1:1 to comparison that works for example. Surprisingly the other way around, guys will receive the rare, unprompted nice gesture by a woman and he will fall for her, and she may not be very physically attractive. I would say that is similar to the attraction you are describing, not exactly 1:1.

And then there's the consistent rhetoric of six feet, six figures, blah blah, where women are just attracted to these dudes because their height/money is all the context they need lol. And my female friends and women online echo this.

So it seems clear to me that attractive guys can lose attraction, but if they're caring or etc, they can remain attractive. Men and women's attractive to average people requires more context. And I'm slotting average under attractive to be clear.

Dating apps are tough to use as examples because of the algorithm and the huge supply/demand issue there. Like guys in their 30s who have a job and look presentable, probably get a fair amount of matcha by single moms. In my experience, the context is that she probably needs help raising the kid and the BD not living in the same house isn't the same. So are they attracted to the man or just the prospect of help and that guy looks responsible enough or perhaps more responsible than their BD?

So this leaves me wondering, if our attraction is more comparable than we think. Attraction is relative of course so Chads might need context to find a lot of women attractive enough to take seriously because so many women are throwing themselves at them. So does Chad attraction function the same way as an average woman's attraction 🤔. I'm sorry it's late

LouisdeRouvroy · 2023-06-15T00:41:14+00:00

Men are perfectly aware that women's hypergamy (or as women say "the guy's character/vibe/values) a very important factor for women's attraction, otherwise they wouldn't try to appeal to this by flaunting their ability to purchase goods (showing fancy cars and clothes) and services (fancy restaurants and traveling, the whole time favorite hobby of women who mean by that: show that you can buy me fancy vacation).

However, what men say when they point at how looks matter for women, is that women are oblivious about the order in which they apply their filters: they first filter out on looks, then on status, then on character, all the while pretending they only care about the latter.

Men do not have a status filter and aren't shy about how looks is their first filter but how character matters ultimately for anything longer than a one night stand.

And women are also oblivious to the fact that as they age, the first filter is less and less applied because they just can no longer afford to be that selective. And so women end up caring the most about the one filter that men don't use: status. And men find that disgusting at worst, hypocritical at best since those same women pretend men and women are equal all the time when it's convenient for them.

Phantom-H · 2023-06-14T22:21:51+00:00

Stop making 1 to 1 comparisons between men and women. We are biologically different. Also stop looking at female attraction through a male lens.

Translation:
Stop questioning women's questionable attitudes. Stay quiet in a corner and let women do what they want, even if what they do affects you negatively and unfairly.

That isn't to say that women don't value hot men, it's that their attraction (at least initially) is more diverse.

How is it possible women have more varied tastes when only a small percentage of men are selected?
If what you say were true most men wouldn't have many problems and incels might not exist.
It's just the other way around: men have more varied tastes when it comes to women and that's why the vast majority of them play the dating game in easy mode.

Sad_Top1743 · 2023-06-14T22:22:26+00:00

Sounds like someone who’s never had a close hot male friend with a decent personality

KayRay1994 · 2023-06-14T22:31:53+00:00

Its amazing how often this has to be explained for the incels and RPers to yell back in defiance - then again, seeing women through this lens also gives them a reason to continue their hate and justify their biases sooooo

PrinceArchie · 2023-06-15T05:50:37+00:00

One of the biggest problems with "equality/feminism" is that it has made us directly compare men and women as if we perceive the world the same way,

Yeah no shit. Yet women will consistently not be straight forward or even take a bit of time to self inflect about what causes their attraction. Men will tell them and then they deny it.

Here's some reality: women's physical attraction is tied in with lots of other variables.

It's status, plain and simple. Looks, then Status, then finances. It's very freaking simple. Stop peddling personality both men and women compromise "personality" to a significant degree because morality and the moral scope is incredibly subjective. Men and women will always favor the more attractive option if available and for men it usually stops thee tbh. Women will then significantly factor status because it basically encapsulates and presumes very positive things about everything else. It's an effective filter. The higher a mans status the higher likelihood he makes good money, is respected, is of good character, etc etc. It's status just admit it.

At the end of the day, it's also hard for women to find someone she really loves and wants to be with.

Because they want their cake and eat it too. A constant state of denial. When attractive and successful men throw the leverage they have in the faces of women they sleep with it eats at women. women hate losing face so they go through many contrived methods to feign a degree of independence. Men (whom people would take seriously) NEVER claim they DONT NEED WOMEN. False, at the bare minimum men need women for pleasure, there is no adequate substitute. There are alternatives but for a heterosexual man sex with a woman is simply a biological necessity with healthy implications across a gamut of things. Women are jaded and foolish enough to kick and scream that they dont need the men they are desperately attracted to. It's literately like a horse refusing to drink water. Drink the damn water or dont. And if you have to get lesser quality water at least it's better than nothing, y'all always want fuji, but refuse to drink the damn tap.

Honestly I don't think I've ever dated a woman who had more sexual partners than me. And that's not because she couldn't, it's because she wasn't interested.

Ngl seems pretty hard to do unless YOU are an incredibly promiscuous person or have a significantly low number of dates. Even if slightly there is a decent likelihood you will encounter a few women AT LEAST who out pace you. This isn't really a negative critique of women, just my general distrust of this statement. It's pretty useless info. Imo some of those women just omitted their true "n" count.

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Happy-Diamond1063 · 2023-06-15T10:59:49+00:00

Yes, I was almost thinking I was weird! But of course I'll find men in neutral poses with neutral faces less attractive, which is what ends up shown in "studies" to remove bias.

A man in a neutral pose with a neutral face is just pixels on a screen, the same man with some semblance of humanity might be attractive.

THIS is what I mean... the man in yellow is the same man in both photos, but I only find him attractive in the photo in the right.

questioningfeminist · 2023-06-14T22:04:09+00:00

Dude, it's not like women are some great mystery that is impossible to figure out.

They are mind numbingly easy to figure out. They pretty much all want the same thing and, while their specific version of "chad" might be different, make no mistake that there is a very real, very high threshold to meet before a man can even be seen as potential dating material.

Very few men here compare women as a 1:1 of men. Men are far more forgiving in the looks department and way less judgemental of flaws in women, and the men here know this. It's brought up all the time!

UpbeatInsurance5358 · 2023-06-14T23:08:08+00:00

They're also missing out the safety aspect.

begayallday · 2023-06-15T06:48:42+00:00

Women do value a lot more than just looks, and men are also objectively less attractive on average. Both can be true.

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