If men had as much standards as women did, would anything really change?

Pathosgrim · 2023-08-26T12:28:20+00:00

Beyond Japan levels of decline

Educational_Ad4410 · 2023-08-26T10:46:07+00:00

Women would just continue to go for the men they find attractive and if they don’t get that man they will just stay single or have the occasional date or hook up now and then.

It would probably though increase better options for men since bad behaviour won’t be rewarded. Probably more women in shape, less single moms, more feminine women etc etc.

However, it probably wouldn’t be a radical shift where men who are undesirable by women are going to suddenly be swimming in options.

DisasterPeace7 · 2023-08-26T13:34:24+00:00

If men reproduced with the same process that women did the human race probably would have gone extinct sometime ago

NocturnalCoder · 2023-08-26T14:45:00+00:00

Look at dating over forty for your answer. Most guys at that age, having been married or not, have way higher standards than in their younger days. Dating is still a mess in that age bracket and you still have the difference between guys wanting something serious and being authentic vs. guys saying everything and anything to get in a woman and very few taking accountability or being unaware of themselves.

MxMaster9907 · 2023-08-26T16:54:48+00:00

I think a lot of women would rather be single than to be with someone they are not attracted to. Men seem to be more desperate to be with someone that’s why things are the way they are. Things wouldn’t change much.

OmoshiroiKudamono · 2023-08-26T15:50:12+00:00

It would because women would lose their army of simps.

Women would also lose out on ATTENTION. Attention is like air to most women. Without all these simps giving money, attention, energy, and time to undeserving women, 304flation would correct itself real quick.

Right now we have an epidemic of SIMPS giving women false attention.

The reason for the checklist is BECAUSE OF THE 10,000s of SIMPS CLOGGING THE DMs.

Nellylocheadbean · 2023-08-26T15:26:35+00:00

I think there would be less relationships but those relationships would be better in quality and probably last longer. Women that are 8,9,10 would be paired up to their make equivalent. I think there’d probably be way less average relationships tho.

Dull-Laugh-4037 · 2023-08-26T16:55:23+00:00

Guys are actually fairly picky with who they choose to committ to, just not who they have sex with. Generally, they find the average female attractive. But finding someone you want to commit to is much different.

lacuti3 · 2023-08-26T09:58:11+00:00

It would probably level out some, but the thing is, a lot of women don’t really care about sex so they’d probably be celibate for the rest of their lives and/or be childfree. If society didn’t condition everyone to want children I think a large fraction of humans would be childfree.

Lovemelikeareptile1 · 2023-08-26T11:55:24+00:00

Yes, but that wouldn't be the first step towards solving the problem. The real problem is that men believe they are no good. They believe the only way they can be happy is to have a woman and have lots of sex. And when they don't have that, they make themselves miserable and sad and lonely.

They are in fact creating their own loneliness and neediness, so their instinct as a desperate guy is to keep lowering their standards to the point where they will say "I will take anyone, as long as she has a pulse".

But let me explain why this totally backfires. Consider the Dr. David Burns rule:

People NEVER want this which they can have. People ONLY want this which they can't have.

In the above example, a desperate, lonely man, who has lowered his standards into the ground is perhaps the EASIEST person on earth to get. They present zero challenge to a woman because she can have him anytime she wants. He practically throws himself at her. Do you think his desperation is appealing?

Take this analogy. You walk around a mall and someone says "I have great discounts on this ACME widget". Maybe you stop and take a look. And the sales person goes "I will give you 50% off on top of the discount. You know something, I will sell it to you for a dollar. Please, please just buy it from me. Please, I need to make a sale otherwise I will feel very lonely and probably kill myself".

Does that sound appealing? Does anyone want to buy something that the other person is basically giving away desperately? No! You think something is wrong with the product and the desperation turns you off completely. They are not even trying to add value to your life wjth the product they are selling, they are literally all about themselves. They need the sale, they need the win. You are just a sucker who can give it to them. Does this sound appealing to you? Absolutely not!

Using the same analogy, why are there lines in form of Louie Vitton stores. Why do people want to spend so much money on a luxury item, that is never discounted? Why do they want to spend so much money on something only a small portion of the population can afford? Because they can't have it. Or at least not everyone can.

These same principles play out with human relationships. Women don't want a desperate lonely guy, because if no one else wants him why should she? Women always look to attach themselves to men who have shit going on, who are happy and fulfilled, who don't need them and who can bring some value to their lives, as opposed to always looking to take value away like the needy guys always do.

harmonica2 · 2023-08-26T17:10:02+00:00

As a guy, I am in monogamous relationship, not just because I want to be but I also feel like I am doing my part so other guys have more options too.

splittingxheadache · 2023-08-26T19:35:26+00:00

Are we talking about relationships? I do this already, I don't see why I would incorporate someone into my life without being pragmatic about it. I have my boundaries, my musts and my compromisables.

Men becoming pickier with women might mean a slight reduction in attention towards women overall but really it would just be the lower end women (single moms, mentally unstable, "colorful history"/bad decision maker) who suffer and the higher end women (more attractive, more successful, and more charming, all relative to the median man) would get more attention. But unless you're talking about sex, not much would change in women's behavior overall because women don't get nearly as much commitment as men want to believe, even for "steady" sex.

Tricky_Dog1465 · 2023-08-27T00:06:01+00:00

From what I can tell they do have those standards. Different standards, but a fair amount of them.

Neptune-Jr · 2023-08-27T01:42:35+00:00

If Men had as many hoops to jump through as women all that would happen is not much of anything. Men would still be lonely even more so if they are turning down available women on icks. Women would not be affected by this what so ever. Women don't care when a man they weren't going to date or sleep with to begin with suddenly decided they were unworthy.

prsadr · 2023-08-26T11:18:45+00:00

As long as someone is always available for casual sex nothing is going to change.

OneNineSevenNine · 2023-08-26T15:22:23+00:00

Basic truth: women are more comfortable being single than men.

So, if it is the case that women are more comfortable being single. Then the whole “we’ll do to them what they’re doing to us” rhetoric falls flat.

Because what this says, is that women have the patience and fortitude to “hold out” for better.

Which means, men would not only have to match women’s resilience to being single but then surpass it.

Maybe that can happen but it would require a massive shift in consciousness for men. It would have to be big, because I would wager women could easily survive a drought of men.

I would take a bet that says “Women don’t need men.” before taking “Men don’t need women.” at this point and time.

Women form meaningful relationships more easily than men. They take better care of themselves than men. They have better education and are slowly earning more than men. Women are more independent than ever and are loving it.

There is no good reason why a woman would forfeit any of that for men that are already, in their minds, subpar.

At this point in time. Men need women more than women need men. Women are more happy with their independence than men.

The Red Pill is so, disconnected from the reality of the conversation it’s almost funny how bad it is. Women are not going to change. They know what’s at stake.

No amount of “men changing” is going to nudge women because of he historical context matters. What women were, is also a part of who they are. Which means, going backwards is never an option.

KingOnixTheThird · 2023-08-26T18:58:59+00:00

If men were just as picky women were, there would only be 1 billion people in the world, not 8 billion.

RevolutionaryFig929 · 2023-08-26T14:03:46+00:00

If you go to muslim countries as example a big portion of gurls will try to cater to the ideal, as the majority of men (including, good looking, wealthy basically the one they want) will never marry a girl tgats not a virgin, drinks, smokes and parties. So a big portion will try to present themselves like this.

(its an overgeneralization as we are speaking a lot of different countries that are all a bit different, and tgere are more modern folks, too, i just wanted to make a point)

harmonica2 · 2023-08-26T17:07:51+00:00

Well if the top 20% of men would stop screwing every woman in sight then those average or below women would be forced to pick other men than just the top 20?

wtknight · 2023-08-26T18:47:29+00:00

Men do have high standards when it comes to long-term relationships and marriage. All that would change is that less men would be complaining about not having sex because they wouldn't be seeing the men who have casual sex easily having it.

januaryphilosopher · 2023-08-26T13:13:48+00:00

Not really. Men are quite picky, or at least picky on what they act on, so it wouldn't be a change. They're often just less aware of their own standards and often genuinely think they can be into all kinds of people while consistently picking the same kind.

SlowEffective8146 · 2023-08-26T15:03:52+00:00

It actually would change dramatically for the better imo.

So in theory, men would not fuck down right? That means all of these women who are 4s and think they're 8s would not exist. They would KNOW they're a 4 because only male 4s are giving them attention. It eliminates male desperation and the inflated self-evaluation that women get from it.

Safinated · 2023-08-26T17:23:47+00:00

Meaning lower libidos? Women would be forced to be more proactive

-snickerss- · 2023-08-26T19:14:07+00:00

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Ayaka_Simp_ · 2023-08-26T16:16:08+00:00

LMAO. NO! It wouldn't change anything because women are too lazy and entitled to self improve for a relationship. They have unlimited options today, so they don't care if a few thousand men avoid them. They always think they'll find someone. Until they don't.

Bottom line: women won't do anything in the dating world unless they have to.

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MouthSandTeethTongue · 2023-08-26T10:10:54+00:00

If people and their environment were different, would the outcomes also be different? We are what we are. This is like arguing about sci-fi.

AFuzzyMuffin · 2023-08-26T12:06:25+00:00

Yes, there would be less bad couples and more quality couples

WilliamWyattD · 2023-08-26T19:02:27+00:00

It would make maintaining the widespread monogamy paradigm even more difficult. In theory, if men had the same standards as women, it would not decrease the maximum number of hetero pairings possible. But in reality, the sorting mechanism is not that efficient. So put more conditions on pairing and the pairing rate drops even further.

Proudvow · 2023-08-26T23:03:13+00:00

Online dating would basically vanish.

mikehawk1988 · 2023-08-27T13:40:56+00:00

Well, I mean, I tried being pickier in my choices but it led to drastically less success. So no. Not unless we get a cultural revolution but that's wishful thinking at this stage where feminism is the dominant culture.

grown_folks_talkin · 2023-08-27T16:33:53+00:00

Sure, economic and societal collapse.

Suspicious-Bed-2717 · 2023-08-27T17:51:55+00:00

Population collapse causing state mandated gfs

RonMexico432 · 2023-08-27T22:57:57+00:00

They are just as picky. About different things, but they're just as picky.

JumboJetz · 2023-08-28T02:40:43+00:00

Women already claim beauty standards are beyond attainable. And they allege men create the beauty standards.

So if men raised their standards even more - I guess women would go in to massive depression and try to meet those standards (but also go on PPD and claim women don’t give a fuck about men’s standards).

2023-08-30T02:05:13+00:00

Population would plummet 😂

Title	If men had as much standards as women did, would anything really change?
Author	-snickerss-
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Date	August 26, 2023 9:47 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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