Would you prefer a society governed by Islamic law and norms over the status quo?

Dr_Click_Click_Boom · 2024-06-09T02:52:07+00:00

No. Who the fuck wants to live in a society with no bacon?

Pegmaster6969696969 · 2024-06-09T03:41:36+00:00

Why the fuck would anyone with a brain want that

qwertyuduyu321 · 2024-06-09T02:57:27+00:00

Would you prefer a society governed by Islamic law and norms over the status quo?

Nope, absolutely not.

I follow the teachings (=Paleolibertarianism) of Hans-Hermann Hoppe and Murray N. Rothbard.

The Sharia is incompatible with a private law society and that's putting it lightly.

I don't believe in compromising the (bodily) autonomy of women just because a growing minority of men are not getting any pussy even if their life would depend on it.

AstronautExisting230 · 2024-06-09T02:45:44+00:00

stoning women for adultery, banning women from education and raping six year olds seems a bit too much for me tbh. I like my soy liberal freedoms. Nothing is sexier than a woman that's educated. Also I'm a Jew. I don't accept Mohammed as my prophet.

kongeriket · 2024-06-09T02:54:49+00:00

There isn't one Islamic Law. But several.

Syria is a secular state, actually. And it's de facto two countries now - with leftist kurds ruling the north and Baathist/secular Al-Assad regime ruling the rest. Iraq is also not an example of an Islamic state.

Taliban-ruled Afghanistan is an example of an Islamic state. So is the Islamic Republic of Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Oman, Jordan, UAE, Brunei, Pakistan, Mauritania and Yemen. Please don't confuse majority Muslim country with Islamic States.

The difference between these is striking.

Jordan is in fact a top tourist destination for Westerners and most of what you may imagine about Islamic Law doesn't happen in Jordan. Meanwhile, Pakistan is far worse than you may imagine. Yemen is also very bad though for reasons of civil war these days. Saudi Arabia is pretty bad but a lot less bad than 15 years ago.

The Islamic world is not a monolith. Islam has several dozens of schools of thought from the most radical ones like Deobandi (observed in Pakistan), Wahhabi (Saudi Arabia) to more liberal ones like Hanafi and Dervish (noticeable in Bosnia, Albania and Cyprus). Also, each have branches. Turkey is Hanafi but so is Afghanistan - but Turkey looks up to the legacy of Ataturk while Afghanistan looks at the legacy of Mullah Omar. The result is literally two different planets between the two countries.

Now, to answer your question: NO.

Several reasons:

not a fan of too religious government
Islam, especially Islamic governance, is not man-friendly, contrary to what ignorant westerners think. To be fair, Western media contributes to this ignorance as well. They will plaster this kind of news everywhere, but not this kind of news. They also rarely tell you that these excesses are in fact illegal even there.
Sharia Law in family affairs is also not man-friendly at all. It's gynocentric in different ways. Look up the terms Mahr and Nafaqah and start reading. A lot of Westerners think Sharia Law is man-friendly. But it really isn't. It's just differently rigid.

With that said, I would live in some majority-Muslim countries. Especially Albania. My wife is in love with the place and I quite like it too. But then again, Albania is a very different kind of Muslim. The main religion there is Albanianism more than anything else.

Eh... it's complicated.

TL;DR: Those who say yes have no idea what they're talking about or are legit crazy.

TheYoungFaithful · 2024-06-09T02:52:56+00:00

Just letting people here know that you’re not allowed to drink in Islamic society and being drunk in public is criminally punishable.

Diamond-Breath · 2024-06-09T03:47:04+00:00

That's what Project 2025 is going for. Please vote blue people.

saywhatitis11 · 2024-06-09T03:17:34+00:00

Hell no. That any of these RP assholes say they’re converting to the world’s most violent religion is obscene and baffling. Tate says he doesn’t really know too much about the religion but he should spend a minute on google and read about it. It is dishonest to point to anything good that the Islamic religion has done, such as charity, family values, without also fully accepting all of the evil that it’s done, throwing acid in women’s faces for getting an education, beheading anyone who doesn’t believe in the religion. That religion is an evil mind virus. If you are told that even criticizing the religion will equal death now and in the afterlife, it’s very difficult to say someone actually consents to being in the religion. I’d much rather see child indoctrination into any religion to be illegal. If an adult wants to submit their life to some bullshit cult, more power to them. If those people try to convert me or my kids by the sword, they’ll get a sword back. I’m free and the west needs to maintain freedom.

Divine_Chariot · 2024-06-09T04:17:39+00:00

I’m Hindu so what do you think?

Even if I wasn’t, I would not want to get Bacha Bazi’d. However, both the regular Afghan army and the Taliban engage in it, with the US soldiers looking the other way, maybe even encouraging it. It’s a popular saying in Afghanistan that “Women are for children. Boys are for pleasure.”

FiestaDeLosMuerto · 2024-06-09T08:07:19+00:00

Don’t red pill men want liberal women that are free with their sexuality rather than fascism?

PiastriPs3 · 2024-06-09T03:25:03+00:00

The barrier to sex and relationships in Islamic countries are alot higher. If Incels think the west is hard, then they might off themselves living in Iskamic countries. Especially with polygamy and excessive dowry making marriage for an average man daunting. But once you pay the dowry which is often several years of income, you pretty much own the women in so many Islamic countries.

Ayaka_Simp_ · 2024-06-09T04:14:11+00:00

Nah. I want people to be as free as possible. One of the core tenets of RP is that attraction can not be negotiated. Oppressing, indoctrinating, and limiting women's options will not make them more attracted to you. But even if it did, why would I want to be with someone who had to be forced at gunpoint? No. I want women to desire me desperately and freely or not at all. I will not settle for anything less than an enthusiastic yes.

bifewova234 · 2024-06-09T03:52:01+00:00

The only thing that Islamic law and norms are more tolerant of is polygamy

Forward_Promotion_48 · 2024-06-09T05:06:18+00:00

I despise Islam and Islamic law. Islam is a false and evil religion, Islam is bad for all societies. Islam is a cult started by the false prophet and rapist pedophile Muhammad Abdullah.

playboiferina · 2024-06-09T05:59:15+00:00

Of course not it’s just som idealistic fairy tale dream that they ironically crank on women for being too

kingpinkatya · 2024-06-09T08:11:12+00:00

What principles of the laws you cited do you feel would resonate most with rp men? Just wondering your top 3 since you introduced this wacky sneararo

Tokimonatakanimekat · 2024-06-09T09:39:12+00:00

Average man in Islamic society is absolutely busted.

Prettmongouse · 2024-06-09T13:56:08+00:00

No. But I hope we can make porn illegal and sex work in general. Authoritarianism regarding sexual expression when not behind closed doors is a good thing given how many people are being corrupted and destroyed by sexual fetishism and compulsion

Weekly-Vacation-6929 · 2024-06-09T19:12:45+00:00

if its a legitimate islamic state, redpillers would hate it. if it was ran like most muslim countries now where only women are subject to the laws, then they'd probably prefer it.

SkookumTree · 2024-06-09T04:19:50+00:00

Fuck no. I would probably take up arms if people came here and tried to impose fundamentalist sharia law by force of arms.

RIPGeorgeHarrison · 2024-06-09T03:50:11+00:00

I don't want to go "well akhtually" here, but there is a lot of variation in islamic law. Afghanistan is a good example of a country that relies only on Shariah law to inform itself, and we can see how well thats going, but it's basically the only one that uses solely islamic law, and most countries used a mixed system.

since you bring up Syria, they have secular courts to carry out criminal law, while private law is done by various religious courts. Christians don't have to use islamic courts to settle private affairs. I say this because a mixed system like this is more common than I think people realize, and actual full on islamic law is going to look a lot uglier.

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purplepillparadox · 2024-06-09T03:04:49+00:00

No, I'm a liberal atheist.

SoldierExcelsior · 2024-06-09T04:04:55+00:00

No I like the status quo plenty of sex freedom and debauchery with minimal stoning beheading and hand chopping.

MistyMaisel · 2024-06-09T04:10:45+00:00

I think you may find that this is a unanimous no from red pill as well. I think it may be the thing we all regardless of pills agree about.

Ok-Dust-4156 · 2024-06-09T04:50:06+00:00

No. Just no.

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AidsVictim · 2024-06-09T07:34:05+00:00

Do I want that? No. But it doesn't matter what I or anyone else wants if the only people having large families are religious. The people of the West are hedonistic nihilists mostly and so they push for their own self destruction and replacement.

MisterFunnyShoes · 2024-06-09T07:40:57+00:00

Lmao no

Hoopy223 · 2024-06-09T16:00:27+00:00

I would argue that UAE/Saudi Arabia are better examples. Taliban are a horror show.

There was a time when I’d have been disgusted by the idea but after traveling a bit I dunno. We are taught in the West that we are superior and our liberalized way of living is the best but I’m not 100% sure anymore.

Spyro7x3 · 2024-06-09T22:41:11+00:00

Being Christian no but it would probably be better than atheist secular world I admit that.

Taliban is pretty based and seem chill

thetruth19023 · 2024-06-09T22:43:21+00:00

As someone Who is spent a great deal of time in Islamic countries I personally love postmodernism

Religious authoritarianism might be a fantastic mechanism for maintaining social cohesion but It is oppressive to everyone!

Personally I love postmodernist society... sex without commitment, money without morals, free time without obligation.

so what if It will eventually end in the in total and complete degradation or possible collapse of Western culture I live now and having three young girlfriends without having to promise any of them anything is simply amazing

BuffaloDesigner3171 · 2024-06-09T22:49:36+00:00

What's the idea behind this question? That RP men want to subjugate women? Seems loaded.

serpensmercurialis · 2024-06-10T04:56:41+00:00

This is a joke, right? Have you seen the countries run this way?

SaBahRub · 2024-06-10T08:16:13+00:00

It’s funny that men don’t actually want a male supremacist society

Patient_Recording_96 · 2024-06-10T09:07:33+00:00

Taliban-ruled Afghanistan and the former Islamic State territories in Iraq and Syria are probably the best contemporary examples of Islamic law put into practice as the law of the land.

No, they are not. Those places thrived when USA and Israel were not bombing the civilians into to the ground.

The best example is the Ottoman Empire. If you take a look at Jerusalem, you will see that Jews, Christians and Muslims lived together there without any clashes at all.

Nowadays, under the rulership of the USA-EU-Israel-Zionists Palestinian children are being Bombed everyday. The hostages are also being Bombed by USA and Israel. Remember a couple days ago when they rescued 4 captives? Yeah, in the process Israel bombed other 3 US captives. Good job, eh? Not to speak of the hundreds of children that have been massacred by Israel.

So, yeah, of course I'd prefer Islamic law. Afterall, US-law, Switzerland-law, Zionist-law, German-law... they all support bombing children and are not even bothered by it.

DankuTwo · 2024-06-11T18:08:50+00:00

I like whisky so….no.

OkProfessional9405 · 2024-06-09T04:14:00+00:00

What on Earth does your question have to do with RP? Of course we wouldn't want to live in a country like that. There are barely any Islamic countries that are out of the stone age.

Kagenikakushiteru · 2024-06-09T04:53:18+00:00

Like I have to wear a white turban? Nah

januaryphilosopher · 2024-06-09T08:31:49+00:00

No because I'm not Muslim and most people aren't so I'd prefer laws we could all at least begrudgingly accept. If you mean Islamist rather than Islamic, double no because they can go against basic human rights.

AnalSexIsTheBest8-- · 2024-06-09T08:32:26+00:00

Would you prefer a society governed by Islamic law and norms over the status quo?

Why would anyone who isn't a bitter and resentful incel want that? What good do we get from becoming slaves of God?

LouisdeRouvroy · 2024-06-09T02:47:33+00:00

Taliban is blue pill though, since it's basically men being responsible for women in everything, just like in the West. It's the same obsession about the safety of women first mentality than US feminism.

The difference is that they're more consistent because since men have all the responsibilities then they also have all the power, while feminists in the West want none of the accountability but all the decision power.

Red pill is about telling men how to not take responsibility for women's actions but only for oneself, and thus no sane red piller would want to be under a Taliban rule where you have to be the person in charge to check the delusions of the females in your family.

kartu3 · 2024-06-09T07:58:05+00:00

I am not "any pill" but many things referred here to as "red pill" are strong findings from scientific world. (e.g. hypergamy is not something sosme "pilers" made up)

The question is crazy.

Would you prefer a society governed by Islamic law and norms over the status quo?

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Tone down your pro-female sexism.

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