If your sister, a close female relative or your close female friend was interested in a guy who employed TRP hookup tactics, would you voice your opinion on the situation?

Barely-moral · 2019-01-22T22:21:00+00:00

She is an adult. She can handle her own business. If she asks my opinon she will get the same answer. I trust her judgment, and if I don't, then it will be a good lesson to learn.

OfSpock · 2019-01-23T01:59:42+00:00

Dating my sister seems like a fitting punishment for a TRPer.

blackedoutfast · 2019-01-22T22:50:45+00:00

if it was my sister, i wouldn't even bother because i know she isn't going to listen and i know exactly how it's going to play out because she does the same thing every time "omg he's so sweet you just don't know him" (few months pass) "ugh that guy was such a shit head"

for female friends that ask for advice and might actually follow it, yes, i would be pretty straightforward about what he was doing. ie i would tell her that if he hasn't explicitly said he isn't fucking anyone else, then she should assume that he is fucking other girls, things like that.

NeedingAdvice86 · 2019-01-22T23:05:19+00:00

Don't necessary know but I can tell from experience that telling someone at their target is such and such things will not work as you expect and will only make them want that person more not less.

It isn't like women are not warn about a well-known asshole repeatedly by people in her group and his but has that every stopped said girl from getting even more horny for the "rebel" that nobody else likes.

gblyeti · 2019-01-22T22:32:54+00:00

Explaining the trp to women is impossible. You have to accept she is her own person and that includes letting her make her own mistakes. If she asks or seems to want to know about this guy I'll advise her what will likely happen if she lets him. But a guy who really knows what he is doing with trp will have more influence over her than I will.

Part of women's lib is men being liberated from being responsible for their female friends and relatives. Women can make their own mistakes and live with the consequences, without a man's help. If they get knocked up and end up a single mother with Chad's baby you have to let them do it. But you're also not responsible for helping them deal with that.

[deleted] · 2019-01-22T23:34:25+00:00

I'd tell my sister/daughter to play solid defense and surrender only to a guy that she's screened thoroughly and she knows he's a good guy and is gonna respect her. I'd anyway try my best to inspire my sister/daughter some self-respect so that she wouldn't fall for douchebags, let alone be reduced to a plate.

[deleted] · 2019-01-23T00:57:18+00:00

I wouldn't tell her anything like "he's an asshole" or whatever because when I was in a low point (not trying to make myself out to be the victim) I dated a guy everyone knew was fucked cause I wanted to see the best in everyone and I felt so spessshuuullll that he picked me, even when he'd treat me like shit.

Instead of putting all the blame on the guy, which she could easily ignore, I'd hype her own self esteem up. I'd try to explain it doesn't matter how great you think this guy is, put up your own boundaries and standards regarding how a guy treats you and don't lower them just because he's sexy or because he knows just the right words to say. I'd tell her to focus on herself and build frame, and to practice abundance mentality. If you know that you are awesome, charming, gorgeous, charismatic, etc, you don't need this Brad in your life to fill a void. I'd put her onto the female redpill (not RPW, which is basically how to be a pickme 101), but more shit about how to create boundaries, how to pick men, how to make men chase you, the art of seduction, etc. I'd tell her not to get oneitis, only become emotionally invested after he's invested time/resources/commitment into you, and to have fun with it. Dating is a game. If she thinks she can tame an alpha, I'll at least give her some tools. Doesn't mean she'll be successful, but it's her life. I'm not gonna let her walk into a relationship with a man that literally has a play by play manual with nothing except her heart on her sleeve.

SkookumTree · 2019-01-22T22:43:40+00:00

Not a TRPer. I'd tell her the fucker was a TRPer.

Pope_Lucious · 2019-01-22T23:14:22+00:00

Depends on what she wants. If she’s marriage-oriented, I would tell her she is being played.

And loooooong before entering adulthood I would’ve had a conversation with her about how men and women view dating quite differently.

reluctantly_red · 2019-01-23T02:43:54+00:00

After observing my little eight year old daughter dealing with all the boys on the playground (including older ones) it doesn't seem like I'm going to have much to worry about. She's already able to twist the boys to her will.

Karakal456 · 2019-01-23T01:24:57+00:00

First of all, “TRP hookup tactics” (whatever that might mean) are not magical mind-control or hypnosis. Women are perfectly capable intelligent human beings who can decide for themselves.

Second. Why would I mind? I am awesome ;-)

More serious, if the guy went around talking to women about them being HBx and “spinning plates” he is a moron. I would voice my concern about them dating a moron, yes.

Apart from that, I’d ask her if she was happy and what she wanted. And then use the good old phrase: Pay attention to ~her~ his actions, not her words.

Maybelowsmv · 2019-01-22T23:15:56+00:00

I'd only bring it up if I heard something horrible directly or saw some fucked up trp Reddit post by him involving her. If it were my older sister I'd tell her and grab popcorn. She'd give Samantha from Sex and the City a run for her money, her feels are quite safe and not stored in her vagina. I imagine she'd be more offended some idiot thought his strategy worked when she was just dtf and probably approached him. She'd make it her mission to rip his heart out through his dick and then tell him to write a field report on it. There would be lols.

My younger sister is much too nice for this brand of caught red handed assholery. It would take a major act of deception to turn her into a plate. I'd probably tell my other siblings first because handling that would be a 2 part series in managing her feelings and devising a suitable deception in kind.

Edit: Oh god, sad terper dv's. Just pretend I come from a broken family and wouldn't say anything after consulting Tumblr, at least 3 advice subreddits, and a few solo counseling sessions just to be sure outing a douche is the right move. All better.

CatchPhraze · 2019-01-23T00:39:20+00:00

I'd hope I'd have raised a woman capable enough to avoid that shit show on her own.

321PK · 2019-01-22T23:02:43+00:00

If I knew, then absolutely! I’d even share some of the funniest things I’ve read on trp. I’m not sure it would be all that bad tho since trp is an aspirational force after all and most of the readership doesn’t seem to really understand it let alone practice it.

reluctantly_red · 2019-01-22T23:33:31+00:00

I don't understand. What tactics?

Maybelowsmv · 2019-01-22T22:17:36+00:00

Why? Is she gonna listen? Probably not. Questions like this and "how would you trpers raise your daughter" are stupid. You could raise her right and she cuts off all her hair and says her gender is alien just to spite you. It isnt the 50s

azngirl7689 · 2019-01-22T22:50:02+00:00

I’d let her do what she wanted and comfort her later when he fucked her over. She’s not likely to listen to me while in the lust stage.

LowCreddit · 2019-01-23T01:09:49+00:00

Like me? Yes, but I don't plate spin. I dislike plate spinning. I understand it and can appreciate it, but it is not who I am. I also think that women should have the self-respect to not be plates but a lot don't.

Modern society has intentionally made male sexual strategy and female sexual strategy adversarial. I don't make the rules. I just observe them. I would encourage all women to not be plates, not just my sister/daughter. It is not a fun way to live. I'm also not going to go to college campuses like a doomsday preacher and call them all whores either.

Instead of shaming men for playing by the new rules, we should be working together against the ruling class to institute new rules that are both fair and don't set men and women against each other. I am not advocating that we make tradcon arrangements. It doesn't have to be the only way, but that is the default. It is also coming soon if we don't do anything about it in the near future.

[deleted] · 2019-01-22T23:33:27+00:00

I have a long and storied history of third-wheeling on my close friends' dates and I would do that, just to see what one of you guys is like in person. My opinion would depend on the guy in question rather than my assumptions of him based on his apparent engagement with TRP.

If he could hold his own in a snappy conversation over dinner and didn't seem like an asshole, I'd be like... mazel tov, you two crazy kids have fun, call me if he starts using acronyms and you need help decoding!

Orange_Paisley · 2019-01-23T00:45:28+00:00

I would, but if she didn't want to hear it I'd let it go. My partner has occasionally tried TRP things on me (I'm sure he doesn't know they are TRP things, but they are) and I always call him out on it. Negging, etc.

dicklord_airplane · 2019-01-23T13:34:33+00:00

Yes, i try to warn my female friends about players and dickheads. Its usually too late, though.

mgtownigga · 2019-01-23T05:00:10+00:00

I'm pretty indifferent because it's her life, her decisions. I hate these loaded questions because you're forcing us to pretend that anyone utilizing TRP principles is only spinning plates, or utilizing it in the most mischievous of ways. Nowadays, women are spinning plates all the time, so it's funny that it's only bad when men do it.

Even if we assume the worst kind of trper, she still holds all the power in the dating scene. She can choose to select for guys that dont' fit into that mold. If she fails to do so, that's clearly what she wants or she doesn't care enough to vet, and that's on her. If it were up to me, women would be attracted to and reward a different subset of guys but I can't change reality

Glawen_Clattuc · 2019-01-22T22:49:44+00:00

Probably not to be honest.

Apart from the fact that it would be hard to say anything minatory that wouldn't end up encouraging her into his arms rather than driving her away from him, I would assume that she's not a dumbass and that she's got a pretty good handle on what he's about and what kind of interaction - if any - she's likely to have with him.

I mean, if I thought he was a rapist then that would be another matter, but if he's just a pick-up artist ... I'd hope she would know what she was doing as a mature adult and be able to make her own decisions.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2019-01-23T01:15:48+00:00

western men generally stay out of their female relations dating lives

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BlindingTwilight · 2019-01-22T22:33:22+00:00

Depends. Is she after hot sex or a relationship?

[deleted] · 2019-01-22T23:33:58+00:00

She is an adult, (I suppose) so she can make her own decisions. She is supposed to understand the guy more than me.

I would warn her that if he is really high value (not exactly TRP) he is only good for STR or sexual relationships.

But she would go after the guy for romance anyways, completely rejecting my advice. As a parent or brother

Did you not have a sister or young cousin? young women almost never listen, so I let the reality do the teaching for me.

I am not their babysitter. They can deal with the consequences themselves.

I will just sit and wait. Maybe she convinces him, maybe she won't. But more often than not I will just say "told you".

Oh, and I already advice something like that to my female lesbian friends. They didn't listen. Had to use the good old "Told ya"

Plopolok · 2019-01-23T00:20:04+00:00

Probably yes. And I might also voice my opinion if she was interested in a BP with no game. I'd try to explain her how a man is likely to behave, how she can infer what he is from what he shows, and tell her to make her own informed opinion.

Sprach_McGrachan · 2019-01-23T00:39:14+00:00

I would stay out of matters and not meddle or interfere.

TheLongerCon · 2019-01-23T01:04:54+00:00

I don't know why everyone thinks TRP tactics are someone incredibly rare mysterious thing, because they're not. Seeing multiple women at the same time, and rating their attractiveness on a scale of 1-10 isn't something they invented.

If I had a close female friend the only advice I'd give them, and I have had to give this advice is: Look, as a woman they're alot of guys out there that will be willingly to fuck you but won't date you. If you're fine with casual sex that's cool, but most women aren't and they get hurt when they get pumped and dumped. If you want a guy that'll actually be loyal in a LTR you may need to refrain from going after the hottest guy who's hitting on you. And I understand that's hard.

[deleted] · 2019-01-23T01:45:47+00:00

Not really, The women around me have their own mind and as much as i like to give advice i would rather be the one to support her whatever her decision will be.

LUClEN · 2019-01-23T02:37:18+00:00

If she's anything like me then trying to talk her out of it would just make her double down. I would just befriend him and become really tight with him. She'll get salty and lose interest.

larrythetomato · 2019-01-23T04:34:01+00:00

Depends whether I liked the guy or not, and whether it was appropriate for me to intrude.

If it was and he was is asshole. I would break it up subtly (ironically using RP girlfriend tactics):

"Hi oh you are seeing that boy again? Josh the Chav haha. Have fun."

That will break the relationship up so fast that it is not funny.

This is basically what you use if you don't want your daughter dating a prick. Saying that she is not allowed to do anything will strengthen her resolve.

Willow-girl · 2019-01-23T05:04:52+00:00

No. Nobody can tell anybody anything.

Zippo-Cat · 2019-01-23T05:28:29+00:00

lmao any terper would be far, far better than the guy she married.

Eartherry · 2019-01-23T06:04:47+00:00

Definitely. I would pull up the sidebar on the redpill page so fast...

sknaruto · 2019-01-23T07:18:53+00:00

What is trp? Can someone explain?

fatalcharm · 2019-01-23T08:06:55+00:00

I would voice my opinion but I wouldn't push it. Ultimately it is their choice and while it's not what I would look for in a partner, it might be what they are looking for.

GayDarGalaWhore · 2019-01-23T08:14:16+00:00

Yes, I already have.

abaxeron · 2019-01-23T12:34:04+00:00

I will tell her that she'll most likely either be left heartbroken or will break his heart even if he's the most family oriented bloop to ever walk the Earth.

mrp_awakening · 2019-01-23T14:03:19+00:00

TRP is at a high level applying evolutionary psychology to dating and sexual relationships. The individual acting on that information can be completely shitty, or have intentions which are just fine. TRP gets a bad rap because most of the people there are angry/bitter, and only in it for the pussy. Knowledge of these concepts I think is a prerequisite for a healthy relationship... period. Otherwise, you risk losing attraction over time and getting divorced/cheated on. Ideally, I'd actually prefer my sister's or daughter's BF to aware of red pill, and its concepts, but be through the anger phase and focused on using masculinity to improve himself and his life (much like the marriedredpill advice).

GuyWithTheStalker · 2019-01-23T15:33:59+00:00

Each of your questions entail an existential fallacy.

Next time, if you're gonna oull that shit, start off by saying something like, "hypothetically..."

maljo24 · 2019-01-23T18:57:12+00:00

No. Let the game play out. They are both adults.

MindTheFuture · 2019-01-24T12:02:08+00:00

As if they would need or heed any advice. Grown adults make their own choices.

DebatePony · 2019-01-22T22:17:22+00:00

Yes, and I have.

dawnpriestess · 2019-01-23T04:31:57+00:00

Stop spreading this fallacy that TRP is about manipulating women and "hookup tactics." It's quite the contrary. It's about educating men about how they are being manipulated by women and society and then equipping them with the information to react to it by their own will rather than brainwashing.

SlimLovin · 2019-01-23T00:49:38+00:00

Yes. But the women in my family and friend circle are much, much smarter than TRP.

ArcticFox2019 · 2019-01-23T03:16:40+00:00

For some reason, TRP seems to think women are those defenseless, helpless little girls who have no idea whats happening around them and needed to be guided into the right path.

They are not. They know what they are doing. My sister never read TRP, but she knows the hot guy or charming guy is statistically less likely to be a good father than the cute but awkward guy next door. She knows the consequence and risks, and it is up to her make her own life choices.

.... (Not that she listens to me anyways) ....

JaxJags904 · 2019-01-23T15:50:37+00:00

All being red pulled means is that you see through the bullshit. It doesn’t mean anything about treating a girl badly or something. That woman just can’t manipulate a red pulled guy.

So if you are saying a girl shouldn’t date someone red pilled, what you’re saying is Timmy hat she needs to date someone she can manipulate

stats135 · 2019-01-22T22:50:10+00:00

If she's going to be a slut, does it really matter who she sluts it up for? If she fucks a boat load of men, it doesn't really matter if they are alphas or betas, RP or BP. Ideally she follows the tradcon path where she finds herself a nice beta guy with potential, gets married young, and reserves sex for her husband. And I'll advise this to any woman I care for. But if they've already fucked around (most woman do nowadays), then what does it matter who they end up fucking?

[deleted] · 2019-01-22T22:55:56+00:00

It probably wouldn't be worth the trouble. She'd call you a controlling patriarch or something and then completely ignore you. If it was your daughter, you might even push her to be a big slut in rebelling against you.

It's difficult to prevent women from making stupid decisions, especially now when they believe that everything they do contributes to some greater good like smashing the controlling patriarchs in their family. Id just have to hope I don't wind up on "thought catalogue" or one of those other shit blogging websites.

equanimous_samsara · 2019-01-22T23:11:30+00:00

Even better, I would urge her to date that nice Blue Pill boy who dotes on her.

Reverse psychology.

sadomasochrist · 2019-01-22T23:32:11+00:00

Is she a slut, n=5+ or someone that is looking for traditional conservative values? Describe this person. Her relation to me is somewhat irrelevent in many or most cases.

Feel free to give some permutations.

diffdedbed · 2019-01-23T01:19:23+00:00

Unless the woman was more "male" in thinking I wouldn't tell her since that would probably just do the usual make her double down. I'd simply state oh he's a red piller.

"Whats that? Oh its a way some guys have figured out how to treat women and make themselves more attractive. Here you should read this, it will help you understand him better."

If she can't figure it out then, meh.

jkonrad · 2019-01-23T07:28:58+00:00

I wouldn't care. There are normal, healthy men who agree with TRP fundamentals, although they probably aren't the ones posting.

If I had to form an opinion about the guy it would be from a personal appraisal, not what club he's in.

It's okay to NOT have an opinion. I think people forget that nowadays.

passepar2t · 2019-01-23T07:56:12+00:00

TRP is more a state of mind, a worldview, than a tactic.

That said, I'd let her make her own decisions. If she ends up liking red pilled men, she's good to go. If she gets burned, well, getting burned is part of attaining sexual maturity, and she'll know what not to do in the future.

Eastuss · 2019-01-23T08:46:12+00:00

It's more uncommon that women go for absolute betas. Women naturally go for more RP men, this is literally the norm. Therefore there's just nothing to be done. Fathers and brothers used to try and protect their girls from the evil men who want to dick their female relatives. Nothing different with TRP forums existing.

VojvodaSrpski · 2019-01-23T09:14:43+00:00

Why do most you equal TRP with being an asshole?

bonusfruit · 2019-01-23T09:27:55+00:00

Translation: Is your gynocentric instinct stronger than your rp philosophy? Won't you at least protect the poor woman you care about from the evils of male sexuality??

solorathain · 2019-01-23T10:28:52+00:00

Yes, because women are so fucking dumb and incapable that they can't filter out men on their own.

BirdManBrrrr · 2019-01-23T14:12:47+00:00

interested in a guy who employed TRP hookup tactics

I thought TRP was stupid and didn't work and was for aspie nerds who have little experience with women?

The underlying assumption is someone's relative/friend is too stupid to fall for such nonsense, thus denying them agency of making their own, rational romantic decisions.

Or it does work after all..?

pighammerduck · 2019-01-23T15:24:46+00:00

Do not involve yourself in the private lives of other people.

ksilvia12 · 2019-01-23T03:33:15+00:00

As if something is wrong with spinning plates, women do it too.

Title	If your sister, a close female relative or your close female friend was interested in a guy who employed TRP hookup tactics, would you voice your opinion on the situation?
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