CMV: Men Can't Love

wtknight · 2018-08-16T11:22:30+00:00

While I understand the point of making this post, I think that it generalizes men just as much as AWALT generalizes women. I do think that there are men out there who have no real desire for polygamy, in that, while they might look at other women and even fantasize about sex with those women, they ultimately have no desire to betray their monogamous partner. I think that it's the same way with women who, although they realize that a certain man would be a "better catch" than their current partner, choose to stay with their current partner due to their love and feelings towards him rather than throwing it all away to take a chance with some new man who might seem better but who she does not know as well as her current partner.

On the other hand, there are some men who are natural players and some women who are natural branch swingers who are always going to optimize their sexual situation. I just don't think that the generalizations are universal. If you find someone who is compatible enough with you, and someone who is capable of strong feelings and who doesn't only think polygamously or hypergamously, then you're less likely to be dumped or cheated on.

LeJacquelope · 2018-08-16T08:18:21+00:00

but I would argue (and most women would testify) that women en masse want a man with money/career not for the sake of the money itself but for what that money implies about his personality and status.

Of all the erroneous things you wrote, this one is the most obvious: because many women are quite happy to DIVORCE a rich man once she qualifies for alimony. Plenty of women never gave a flip about his personality, she married him for the money.

Russelsteapot42 · 2018-08-16T07:24:29+00:00

Polygamy is a male imperative. This is RP 101. How can anyone claim a man can truly devote himself to a woman when it's his imperative to find other women.

How can a woman devote herself to a child when it's her imperative to have other children?

There is no community of women who get together to talk about how terrible the opposite sex is

This is blatantly untrue. I could fill pages with examples.

Aaren_Augustine · 2018-08-16T08:02:54+00:00

I'll translate it for you - Beta men often have undying love for the women they want. A lot of it is external validation and they want mommy to care for him so he doesn't have to do the job himself. OR, and I do mean or, he's a beta dude who genuinely cares for a woman that has luke warm feelings for him.

He's found that the more he cares for her, she cares less. Men and women love differently.

Women cannot love men like he wants. In a cosmic paradox of women, to a man at least, women give all to men that don't seem to want them. Women give a lot less to men that are devoted to them. Aka beta bux alpha fux.

That male devotion comes off as an unattractive man child wanting mommy to most women; at least that's the feed back I hear.

Men are much more objectifying

You misunderstand men then. As much as a lot of TRP men really misunderstand women.

JezebeltheQueen5656 · 2018-08-17T16:33:42+00:00

males cannot love,they can only lust.

what they do is project their awful nature onto all women in their pathetic little safespaces aka. manure sphere / echo chamber.

males are not even attached to their own children. males are hollow.

YaAmar · 2018-08-16T09:26:26+00:00

Obvious disclaimer: I don't literally think all men are incapable of deep emotional connection but it's hard to express nuance in a short title.

And what exactly do you perceive to be a deep emotional connection? Talking for hours about nonsense, putting up with her family? or understanding the woman on a deep, personal emotional level? Many men go through that and go above and beyond the line of duty to make their girlfriends and wives feel better.

It seems RP talks a lot about women being unable of loving a man the way he loves her. The claim is usually that 1) men love women the way women love children (because they feel the need to protect them)

That is true. Men love women more than women love men, and men love women in a different manner because men are the peacocks of the sexes, we display and women select, from the groups of men who compete with each other for her romantic attentions, and then she makes her choice. Since women have more value than men have, a woman's love is in many cases temporary. Guess who begins most divorces and ends most relationships?

2) women's hypergamous nature prevents them from permanently committing to one man.

This is true, and that's why patrhiarchal societies prevent women from having contact with other men, as over time they will very likely develop ''emotional attachements'' aka they want new cock for the men they work with if they were to have jobs outside of their husband's house, and when women get married they can only interact with the men in their own families. Obviously this is wrong, because women ougtha be free, but the point still stands.

Since the first homo sapiens sapiens took his first steps on this world, it has been known that women aren't loyal, no matter how much of a Chad the guy is, sooner or later the womanis going to get bored or look for a new partner because that's what her biology tells her to do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_seven-year_itch

The manosphere paints a picture of a man's love being some sort of pure undying devotion for his partner who is in turn painted as a harpy who leeches off her man until she branch swings to the next one.

The way men love women is absolutely different from the way women love men. Women feel sexual lust, they feel immense sexual desire for the physical traits that every woman is looking for to bring into the next generation of human beings.

Height, broad-shoulders, lean muscle mass, a very symetrical face, and great hair and teeth. Women will tell themselves that they love the guy because they don't want to feel like sluts, and the ugly and fat women who can't get a man like this, will marry some guy and say they love the guy so that they can have sex without feeling physically repulsed by him, because they have an ''emotional connection'' with each other and that's what matters.

Men actually love women in a way that women very rarely ever love men.

They dedicate themselves to their wives and girlfriends for as long as their partners don't dump them to monkey branch onto another guy, and let's be real here. Just take a moment to look at the endless works of art, songs, poems, and so much more that men dedicated to women because of the love they feel for them, throughout the ages. I'm sorry, was ''Keep the Faith'' writen and performed by a woman? Was the Taj Mahal constructed by a woman and consagrated to a man?

can really love a woman the way she loves him.

LooksSafeFromFarAway · 2018-08-16T15:43:22+00:00

1) men love women the way women love children (because they feel the need to protect them)

I don't see a problem with this as an aspect of male nature rather than the entirety of TRUE ROMANCE. My perspective is being married almost 16 years, and off the top of my head I can think of 3 times when the outcome would've been death, destruction, or possible brain damage had my husband not been around. Me hemorrhaging massively, a kitchen fire, and our 2yr old son having a fever that went from 102 to 106 in the time it took me to get the pediatrician on the phone. The ability to handle crisis calmly and come out on top shouldn't be looked down on, when people are put to the test like that you don't want to be with someone caught up in shock or their feels when it happens. In a more average way, if we're separated somewhere he pops up like a house elf from Harry Potter if I look confused or pissed. He doesn't need to be clinging to my leg to be situationally aware, and I think that's awesome. Dobby is free btw, I give him my clothes all the time.

Polygamy is a male imperative. This is RP 101. How can anyone claim a man can truly devote himself to a woman when it's his imperative to find other women.

This really depends on the man in question and what his relationship goals are rather than a broad truth. You can go further into this and say it depends also on socioeconomic level, religious upbringing, etc, but it's too broad stated as is.

Men are much more objectifying. I don't mean objectifying as a cliched buzzword but that simply put men want a woman for what she can give him (mostly sex).

Men don't settle for just sex with someone they want more from. It's extreme vetting that tits won't distract him from. If it's a guy who obviously has options for an easy fuck, you're being risk assessed because they aren't looking just to fuck something, they're looking to feel something. Plus, you're always free to turn down sex if that's not all you're after yourself.

Men form relationships because they want sex and once they get a whiff of greener pastures (that doe eyed young secretary that just joined the office) they quickly ponder upgrading their apparently beloved wife for the newer model.

Sometimes sure, but as always it depends. Anecdotally I can say my Dad's first wife was a ridiculously hot woman, he left her because she was a mega bitch and a shitty mom. Same with my father in law's first wife. And I don't mean in the "well maybe if you look at it in a certain light she was right" kinda way, I mean in a jaw dropping was she trying to get ditched? way. If you marry an ambitious and successful man, then throw temper tantrums and fail at being a mom, it doesn't matter if you fuck like a porn star while looking like a film star. That doe eyed secretary is the preferable option because she's a clean slate, easily amused, likely easily impressed, and teaching someone to fuck is way more fun than navigating the mega bitch minefield to get off. Plenty of marriages and subsequent marriages have survived tons of "new girl" upgrade temptation because there are married women capable of holding it down in the sex, house, kids, work department while not being miserable because they were honest with themselves about what they wanted in a man before marriage.

There is no community of women who get together to talk about how terrible the opposite sex is, or how to manipulate them into handing over resources

LOL yes there is! Go to any moderately sized get together and there is the table of women bad mouthing their men loudly. Like it's *hilarious* that all he's good for is working, God, it's a good thing he's gainfully employed because that dad bod is gross. Or he doesn't do shit around the house, or he's "lucky" he's a good dad. All being said by a woman who isn't the physical presentation of her best self, certainly is representing socially as a sad damsel-victim with a tough exterior like her life accidented upon her.

I definitely think men can love, but it very much has to do with what you (not you personally OP "you" in general) appreciate in a man. Does it align with what he values in himself. Are you quick to thank the random guy that holds a door for you, and even quicker to not thank your husband for something much harder and more important because "he should be doing anyway." Do you feel like a child because he did something you could've done yourself, or do you appreciate that a need was anticipated and handled? If Karen at work did something to make your life easier would that be "bravo, the sisterhood is great!" but when your husband throws himself in front of a difficult task it's just one more thing to take for granted? Is sex currency to be bartered with first and foremost or have you elevated your game beyond high school with someone you have feelings for? Or even worse do you splash around his feels like a little girl in a puddle and then wonder why he doesn't come a-runnin when you snap your fingers? It's not an inability to love on the man's part if so, it's systematically shutting down every avenue for him to express it and then blaming him for it.

KikiYuyu · 2018-08-16T20:27:54+00:00

Polygamy is a male imperative. This is RP 101. How can anyone claim a man can truly devote himself to a woman when it's his imperative to find other women.

Not all men feel that way. So many CMV posts fall apart once you stop viewing the sexes as hiveminds that act only on pure biological instinct.

crackrocksteady7 · 2018-08-16T12:29:52+00:00

Men, especially betas, can love. Can rpers love? I'm not sure. I don't think i can anymore

sabadr · 2018-08-16T10:02:20+00:00

r/trufemcels

Wallstreet3 · 2018-08-16T09:10:26+00:00

Men reduce women to mere sex objects out of necessity. We say 'She ain't yours, its only your turn' out of necessity. We remind ourselves of 'AWALT' out of necessity.

We have forums where we take huge dumps on women out of necessity. We turn our backs on women out of necessity.

It is to protect ourselves from an emotional vulnerability that is nothing but damnation with the modern woman.

BirdManBrrrr · 2018-08-16T14:36:08+00:00

the very existence of the manosphere should be a testament to my point. Men have written blogs, began forums and forged a community where they 1) complain about their spouse and the apparent entrapment of marriage, and 2) trade methods/advise on how to leave your spouse, convince women in their 20s to sleep with you, and prevent yourself from developing attachment to new lovers.

Here's where you miss the giant elephant in the room with your assessment of married men and marriage itself.

There are countless men who love their wives to no end and get zero reward for it, and oftentimes punished for that self-sacrificing love they give. These men--myself and many men here included--were trained that they must love unconditionally and must sacrifice themselves in various ways for the wife AND the family to be a good husband. Sacrificial love is good, it's what makes you a real man, and good husband.

The same template plays out time and time again: The man gives more and more- More attention, more gifts, more house, more car, more money, more vacation, more everything...and the wife gives him less and less in return. Less sex, less respect, less gratitude and oftentimes it devolves into her checking out of the marriage in some fashion and/or just being a stereotypical harpy cunt. How's that for a reward for unconditional, sacrificial love?

When she takes the kids and more than half of his shit because she's not haaapy and he's not doing enough, he's left in the dust, wondering what he did wrong, because he did everything right...right?

So yes, it's hard to love like that when a man finds the manosphere and realizes he's been lied to his entire life about 1. the nature of women 2. the risks and pitfalls of marriage and 3. everything he thought he did right was actually what got him in trouble in the first place.

There is no community of women who get together to talk about how terrible the opposite sex is, or how to manipulate them into handing over resources

Not on the internet, but you bet your next paycheck all those Girls Nights Out and collections of UMC SAHMs drinking their mimosas at brunch after yoga on a Tuesday are definitely discussing and shitting on their husbands.

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mistercheeez-o____O- · 2018-08-16T23:09:30+00:00

There are other incentives to sexual companionship than the simple act of sex. It's very much tied to basic human need.

MisterJose · 2018-08-17T08:10:30+00:00

If you're talking about that amazing fuzzy feeling you get when you really fall for someone that people call 'love', but that goes away after maybe 18 months, of course men can feel that.

If you're talking about enjoying being around someone, or appreciating someone as a life partner, sure men can feel that too.

If you're talking about intense, crying lust for a pedestal-placed woman, obviously men can feel that.

What else is there? That basically describes everything people actually feel.

WavesAcross · 2018-08-17T13:19:14+00:00

I don't actually believe either side is incapable of love, but to make the argument:

How can anyone claim a man can truly devote himself to a woman when it's his imperative to find other women.

It is precisely because he is polygamous that his desire for other women doesn't impinge on his devotion to the women he already loves. Your looking at this from a woman's perspective, where yes, women won't commit to multiple men, so a new man means leaving the old one. But if your point is simply that men don't love women how women love men... trp is agreement.

Men form relationships because they want sex and once they get a whiff of greener pastures (that doe eyed young secretary that just joined the office) they quickly ponder upgrading their apparently beloved wife for the newer model.

This is not men's natural desire though. This is because our society doesn't condone polygamy, (at least not to the same extent it tolerates hypergamy). If men were free from social constraints, they wouldn't upgrade, they'd just have both.

Traditional monogamy was a sort of trade between the sexes. Men wouldn't be polygamous (and thus women wouldn't have to worry about not getting her man's full investment in her children), and women wouldn't be hypergamous (so men would have assured paternity).

As a society we've relaxed our constraints on hypergamy, so both genders behave in this way, but that doesn't mean its fundamentally what men want.

Men have written blogs, began forums and forged a community where they 1) complain about their spouse and the apparent entrapment of marriage, and 2) trade methods/advise on how to leave your spouse, convince women in their 20s to sleep with you, and prevent yourself from developing attachment to new lovers.

Because polygamy isn't tolerated as much as serial monogamy is, men (and women) lean towards serial monogamy. But you shouldn't take this as reflective of men's nature.

No where do you find man hating of this caliber.

radfems.

AllahHatesFags · 2018-08-17T18:33:27+00:00

Polygamy is a male imperative. This is RP 101. How can anyone claim a man can truly devote himself to a woman when it's his imperative to find other women.

Wrong. More often than not, it's women who are either caught cheating or ask to open up the relationship (read: permission to cheat).

Men are much more objectifying. I don't mean objectifying as a cliched buzzword but that simply put men want a woman for what she can give him (mostly sex). The media and most people's personal lives are rife with stories of men fooling around with their secretaries etc. not to mention RP portrays a middle aged man spinning multiple plates in their 20s as the ultimate male goal/fantasy. Men form relationships because they want sex and once they get a whiff of greener pastures (that doe eyed young secretary that just joined the office) they quickly ponder upgrading their apparently beloved wife for the newer model. It often gets said that women want to leech off a man's career, but I would argue (and most women would testify) that women en masse want a man with money/career not for the sake of the money itself but for what that money implies about his personality and status.

So much wrong here, where do I start? Women objectify attractive men just as much as men objectify attractive women. Women are more likely to cheat than men because it is far easier for them to find sexual partners. And saying that men and women value different things in their partners does absolutely nothing to prove your point.

No where do you find man hating of this caliber. There is no community of women who get together to talk about how terrible the opposite sex is, or how to manipulate them into handing over resources, and those small niche collections of people who do that are shunned by both men and women at large.

There are many more women's spaces bitching about men, "toxic masculinity", and "the patriarchy" than are in the manosphere. Just look at r/TwoXChromosomes and r/Feminism and that's just reddit! Feminism in it's modern form is about nothing but blaming everything wrong with the world on men.

With the amount of bitterness flung at women in the manosphere, with near all men fantasising about keeping a harem of gorgeous 20 somethings and with how men reduce women to only the sex and fun times they can provide them it is obvious men cannot even respect women let alone love them anymore than they love their favourite toy or restaurant.

It works both ways there, sweetheart. How many women are fantasizing about a handsome billionaire to come take them away to live a life of luxury? There are many women out there who seem to view men as little more than walking ATMs. How can they love a man?

WhatIsTheMeaningHere · 2018-08-17T21:52:24+00:00

Men can't love the way you want them to or else they'll get dumped.

darksoldierk · 2018-08-18T06:49:30+00:00

I don't mean objectifying as a cliched buzzword but that simply put men want a woman for what she can give him (mostly sex).

Sex is not something she earned. It's not something she had to work for, her ability to give him sex was a product of her birth it's a part of her. Therefore, men loving sex with women is the same as saying that men love women. YSo, what men love and want the most from women is an inherent part of women. Similarly, women inherently love their children because those children give them (or their genes) a future.

You are getting a bit confused since you seem to think that when the red pill discuss this topic, that they are discussing one women and one man. As in, they are saying that men love individual women more than women love individual men. That's not what they are saying. Men love women in the general sense. Yes, men cheat with their secretaries and others, but guess what, those secretaries are women. Men sacrifice their families, their entire lives (eg. physical protection) to cheat or to be with women because men love women. Women do not reciprocate those actions for men. They do it for their children, we often hear about women sacrificing themselves for their children, hell, the act of child birth is one where a woman risks her life for her child, but women don't love men the way that men love women. That's what they mean, men love women the same way that women love children. It's not, "men love their wives/girlfriends in the same way that women love their children"

consios88 · 2018-08-18T18:42:04+00:00

Very true a woman cant love unconditionally. Its much rarer. while men are capable of loving unconditionally much more on average. People should be able to use their rational human minds to rise above primal instincts but many people can not. Thats the only reason I dont completely cut women slack for the way they are, because they can rise above it.

PersonofControversy · 2018-08-19T23:30:11+00:00

luls this post makes some massive generalizations, but I'll bite.

First off, if the manosphere was something the majority of men took part in, the world would look very, very different. Saying that men all secretly hate women based off stuff you see on the manosphere is just as fallacial as guys on the TRP using tumblr feminism to prove that all women secretly hate and are jealous of men.

Second off, if you believe polygamy being the male imperative (in animals), then you must also, logically, accept that hypergamy is the female imperative (in animals). And if you think that actually applies to personal, lived human experiences, then the actual take away is that neither gender is capable of love, and romance was just a farce all along.

Third off, your entire point about money is a logically unsound. If women want a man because of what his money implies about his personality and status, then... what? Money correlates with status, not personality. You are literally agreeing with TRP here by saying that women want guys with status. This is the same as saying guys are attracted to pretty girls because of how much attention she pays to her looks says about her personality. If women think that a guy being rich means he has a good personality, are attracted to that, then, in the end, women are attracted to money.

Fourth off, at least TRP adds a caveate by saying a woman can't love a man the same way he loves her (I don't entirely agree with that part of the red pill, but I'll give them that; at least they don't talk in absolutes in this one case). You somehow managed to be even more bleak and grim.

And fifth, and finally...no. I draw the line in TRP when they start theorizing on what women feel. Talking about what women actually do? Fine. Trying to extrapolate what women want from that? Fine, I'll allow it. But trying to say things about what all that actually feels, on the inside, from the female perspective? Nah, miss me with that stuff. You can't complain about female solipism and then turn around and actually believe you can actually know what it's like to be a different gender.

So I have to draw the line here as well. Complain about men all you want. But don't try and tell men, what it's like to be a man. Acting like the worst parts of TRP is not the way to debate them.

Good job on the title though. If this was all a tactic to get clicks and spark discussion, you've done a great job.

NalkaNalka · 2018-08-16T13:18:15+00:00

No where do you find man hating of this caliber.

Give me a break, haven't you ever heard about this tiny thing called feminism?

Pope_Lucious · 2018-08-16T15:10:00+00:00

The reason there is no analogous space for women like what men have in the manosphere is because the dominant social paradigm already shits on men and lifts women up. There’s no need to have obscure internet spaces with secured anonymity when any woman can vomit out word-diarrhea and have it be treated like Beethoven’s Fifth Symphony.

EnduringLiberty · 2018-08-16T08:02:42+00:00

Men are much more objectifying. I don't mean objectifying as a cliched buzzword but that simply put men want a woman for what she can give him (mostly sex).

There is nothing more mood killing than showing emotional vulnerability. If men behave that way it is because they have to.

prevent yourself from developing attachment to new lovers.

The fact that we have to prevent ourself from any attachment prove that we would naturally be inclined to ... but have to prevent ourself.

but I would argue (and most women would testify) that women en masse want a man with money/career not for the sake of the money itself but for what that money implies about his personality and status.

Amen. I would have written the same thing to guess the cause of the two previous points , but you already did that in your statement. Women want confident men, no emotional ones.

Jokengonzo · 2018-08-16T13:15:31+00:00

Men can love but men often express it with action not words and the whole backlash towards women is well the reaction to society’s whole women are superior yet somehow oppressed wave that has been flowing as of late

YetAnotherCommenter · 2018-08-16T11:43:23+00:00

What is necessary, in your opinion, to constitute romantic love?

YaAmar · 2018-08-16T09:26:36+00:00

I'm sorry, what? The way a woman loves a man? And what way is that? The way of her keeping him as a placeholder until a much hotter man displays interest in her, or until a rich man wants to date her or marry her?

Women's love is utiliatarian. What can this man do for me? What can I get from him? Does he have money? Does he have a house?

Can he afford a wife and children? How much does he make? You'll see it in the gold-diggers who claim they can tell how much money a man makes by looking at the jewelery he brings to the beach. They must be thinking of St. Topez beach and thinking about the rappers and djs who go there during summer time to get sluts, I dunno.

Men's love is emotional and spiritual. It's carnal and it's strong and vast, and can remain so for many decades. Women's ''love'' and devotion to men only last as long as his wallet keeps getting thick with wads of cash.

Polygamy is a male imperative. This is RP 101. How can anyone claim a man can truly devote himself to a woman when it's his imperative to find other women.

Because men care about the women they are with and they don't want to overburden them with their sexual desire. There are women there in the world who are absolutely wonderful. Women with high sex drives, that don't need a guy to get down on his knee and ask her in marriage for her to get wet, women who don't need the man to kick start women's ''reactive sex drive'' and that all he oughta do is talk flirty and she gets horny. Ah, those are the greatest women alive, and when one comes across one, and she is attracted to him as much as he is attracted to her - there's nothing better in life.

So, men want to have sex with other women because it is rude and troublesome to seek out the same woman over and over again for sex. Or are you interested in having sex 5 times a day with your boyfriend/husband? Everyday? Are you interested in threesomes, in hooking up with another girl while the guy watches?

Are you interested in having sex in public parks after the lights are out? Are you interested in having sex at the doorstep of the high school you went to, if you were lucky to have your high school only steps away from where you now live?

I doubt that, which means men have to search for women who are willing to do that, as every sexual desire(that isn't against the law, that doesn't hurt tother people, and that isn't morally wrong as in underage people) that a man doesn't fulfill takes hold of him and results in him developing massive depression and anxiety. What woman loves her boyfriend if she doesn't have sex with other women to make him happy?

A man can love a woman, truly MADLY, DEEPLY, and still have sex with other women. Remember, our biologies are different, the way we are built emotionally is also different, and the men who have sex with other women usually always return to the woman they are married to, or living with. Women who look for new dick and have sex with other men rarely ever want to return to their husbands.

Men are much more objectifying. I don't mean objectifying as a cliched buzzword but that simply put men want a woman for what she can give him (mostly sex).

No, women are much more objectifying than men could ever be. I seen it, women selecting men whose aesthetics are perfect, think Henry Cavill, and then selecting a man for relationships that isn't perfect-looking - although she keeps wanting to date Henry Cavill - but the guy has a multi-use utility to himself. A man wants a woman because he is attracted to her. Emotionally. Mentally.

Physically. A woman wants a personal therapist, a personal ATM machine(if they didn't, they wouldn't insist so much that I get a job when I lie and them then that I have no job), a personal body guard, a best male friend, and someone with 4 times her upper body strength to carry around her shit and help her out.

Men? We want someone we want to fuck all the time, that fucks us enthusiastically and doesn't nag at us and doesn't bother us so much. Women objectify men on a personal level far more than men could ever objectify women.

The media and most people's personal lives are rife with stories of men fooling around with their secretaries etc. not to mention RP portrays a middle aged man spinning multiple plates in their 20s as the ultimate male goal/fantasy.

That is impossible. Women in their early 20s are only attracted to men in their early 20s. Middle-aged men are expired goods, they're physically disgusting, although if they want to ''spin plates'' they could always move to Europe and partake in the many escorts and prostitutes in their early 20s who'd love to have more 5-seconds clients. Europe would appreciate the economical boost, thanks.

Men form relationships because they want sex and once they get a whiff of greener pastures (that doe eyed young secretary that just joined the office) they quickly ponder upgrading their apparently beloved wife for the newer model.

hahahaha, and if men actually only cared about women for sex, they'd visit prostitutes instead of getting a girlfriend and then having to put up with their partners.

It often gets said that women want to leech off a man's career, but I would argue (and most women would testify) that women en masse want a man with money/career not for the sake of the money itself but for what that money implies about his personality and status.

Most women here are weirdos that have as much of a sex drive as a 90 year old nun. There was one female poster here to whom I showed a picture of the most sexually attractive Chad in the middle-east, and she says that he's nothing special, although he was expelled from Saudi Arabia because women wouldn't stop throwing themselves at him, in front of their fathers, sons, husbands and brothers.

Ah, so women want men with social status so they can objectify those men as success objects that can then be used by women to brag to other women how their husbands make a lot of money? Sorry, have social status. So, women are getting horny for the local Youth Community center leader, right? He has high status in his community. He also has a broke ass wallet.

here is no community of women who get together to talk about how terrible the opposite sex is, or how to manipulate them into handing over resources, and those small niche collections of people who do that are shunned by both men and women at large.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4754914/Where-good-men-gone.html

Jennifer Lopez said men are 'useless' before 33 — and she's actually not wrong

http://uk.businessinsider.com/jennifer-lopez-jlo-tinder-men-useless-before-33-2018-7

And here we have a pussy faggot that is trying to get laid by becoming a feminist

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nomansweb · 2018-08-16T10:19:59+00:00

Polygamy is a male imperative. This is RP 101. How can anyone claim a man can truly devote himself to a woman when it's his imperative to find other women.

Almost all men can separate love and sex 100%. It's simply a fallacy to think a man doesn't love a woman if he wants to have sex with other women.

blackedoutfast · 2018-08-16T20:24:15+00:00

no, men love women so much more than women are capable of loving men that it's a serious weakness for us that we have to wall off and repress so that we don't get completely emotionally destroyed.

men don't become players or want harems of women or look at women as purely sex objects because we're incapable of love, we do it because we don't want one woman to have that kind of power over us. it's not because we can't love, it's because most of us have already tried that and ended up having our hearts fucking shattered by a woman.

YaAmar · 2018-08-16T08:25:32+00:00

I'm sorry that your parents haven't been together for over 30 years in a happy marriage, like my parents have been so far. There are still good men out there, you just need to be a good woman. Which is to say, if you want an attractive man, you gotta be an attractive woman to begin with. But with enough diets and by avoiding Oprah and the cheetos bowl, I'm sure many more women will be able of getting that.

darudeboysandstorm · 2018-08-16T17:33:22+00:00

" not for the sake of the money itself but for what that money implies about his personality and status. "

One is not less shallow than the other.

" No where do you find man hating of this caliber. "

Kill all men?

Your argument would be a lot more valid, if it wasnt based off of men ranting on the internet.

Workaholico · 2018-08-16T23:08:36+00:00

Polygamy is a male imperative. This is RP 101. How can anyone claim a man can truly devote himself to a woman when it's his imperative to find other women.

Corretion: You mean poliginy, "Multiple woman" not poligamy "multiple weddings". that is the TRP 101, poligamy is polyamory 101. Men want to have a lot of satisfying sex, but woman tend to not want it, making the second best option having sex with many woman as at least one will do he job. Men just want to have a relationship with a single woman as it is too much trouble to have more than that. (actually, few, as we always have the polyamory and islamic crowd)

Men are much more objectifying. I don't mean objectifying as a cliched buzzword but that simply put men want a woman for what she can give him (mostly sex). The media and most people's personal lives are rife with stories of men fooling around with their secretaries etc. not to mention RP portrays a middle aged man spinning multiple plates in their 20s as the ultimate male goal/fantasy. Men form relationships because they want sex and once they get a whiff of greener pastures (that doe eyed young secretary that just joined the office)

Correction: Yes, men want sex. But the normal man will not forget a partner that easy. He has to be sexually deprived to jump fences.

The very existence of the manosphere should be a testament to my point. Men have written blogs, began forums and forged a community where they 1) complain about their spouse and the apparent entrapment of marriage, and 2) trade methods/advise on how to leave your spouse, convince women in their 20s to sleep with you, and prevent yourself from developing attachment to new lovers.

Correction: The only connection inside the manosphere is they are made of men who use the internet. Most know each other groups, have different founding and most do not like each other. For example: TRP is aprox. 9 years old, PUAs are more than 18 years old, MGTOW are 11 years old (happy late birthday MGTOWs), MGTOWs do not like PUA's or red pill behavior of chasing woman, and they do not like MGTOWs because they fled the market. MRA's try to help everyone, and are the activists.

One of the only connections is that they have view women as challenging part of their life and there are better methods to achieve what you need when dealing with women. MGTOWs do not even like the idea of relating with woman at all. Their objective is to be a monk.

There is no community of women who get together to talk about how terrible the opposite sex is, or how to manipulate them into handing over resources, and those small niche collections of people who do that are shunned by both men and women at large.

No? did you ever read https://www.reddit.com/r/RadicalFeminism/ or https://www.reddit.com/r/Feminism? Maybe https://www.tumblr.com? Cause you should.

With the amount of bitterness flung at women in the manosphere, with near all men fantasising about keeping a harem of gorgeous 20 somethings and with how men reduce women to only the sex and fun times they can provide them it is obvious men cannot even respect women let alone love them anymore than they love their favourite toy or restaurant.

Yeah... is that your first day meeting the purple pill or red pill?... are you sure you didn't pass too much time in the r/TBP? and what more. Men love women. All we do here is to say you should love yourself more than woman. But most, including me, have a hard time doing it.

RooseChange · 2018-08-16T15:56:41+00:00

How can anyone claim a man can truly devote himself to a woman when it's his imperative to find other women. Men are much more objectifying.

You're applying female sensibilities to male sexuality. Objectification by definition means to "present as an object; make objective." Emotions and devotion are not objective. Men don't always emotionally invest in who we sleep with and you're not able to wrap your brain around this.

It often gets said that women want to leech off a man's career, but I would argue (and most women would testify) that women en masse want a man with money/career not for the sake of the money itself but for what that money implies about his personality and status.

Everyone is leeching off of everyone else in some way. Instead of trying to sugarcoat it with this "what it implies about his personality" tripe, why not just own that you like money, comfort and security, and that as a woman you feel entitled to this in a mate? RP has a point when they say society's narratives about women are nebulous and dishonest. Women don't grow up with any illusions about the nobility of the male imperative.

What this really says to me is that you're trying to find some way to demonize male love, claiming it's impure and has ulterior motives, while whitewashing away all the impurities and motives of female love; poorly, I might add, because even in your own words it's still about money, personality or status, regardless of the justifications you give for it.

The very existence of the manosphere should be a testament to my point.

What a tiny niche of extremists have to say doesn't prove anything. I could go on Twitter or Tumblr and find nasty stuff said about men all the time. They're not taken seriously by most people. Surely you would agree?

and those small niche collections of people who do that are shunned by both men and women at large.

It seems that you do.

Title	CMV: Men Can't Love
Author	Szymmy
Upvotes	28
Comments	212
Date	August 16, 2018 7:20 AM UTC (7 years ago)
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