[Q4All] Will Women ever be to empathize with Incels?

KerPop42 · 2018-05-23T14:16:01+00:00

I mean, a woman coined the term incel to describe herself and people of both sees like her: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/25/woman-who-invented-incel-movement-interview-toronto-attack

She still empathizes, she's just repulsed by the violent revenge fantasies

storffish · 2018-05-23T13:12:11+00:00

the incels sitting around writing about putting femoids on rape farms? no, I think not. nobody empathizes with those guys, they've ostracized themselves.

lonely guys who can't keep from striking out? I think some women could in some circumstances, but it's a uniquely male problem. they can definitely sympathize, but do you really want the person you want to desire you to pity you?

wtknight · 2018-05-23T13:27:47+00:00

I think that the average woman could empathize with an incel who was making an active effort to improve himself in a way that was not derogatory towards women. But otherwise, no, I don’t think they can empathize.

efficientelf · 2018-05-23T13:58:32+00:00

No, I guarantee you not even the most conservative redpilled woman cares about some group of men not having sex. There are sick and hungry people on this planet ffs

says_harsh_things · 2018-05-23T14:21:18+00:00

I think there are plenty of women in the 0-40% attractiveness bracket that will have a VERY difficult time getting any men to commit to them even as an exclusive boyfriend. They are continually used for sex and at the first hint of anything more serious and the guys are gone.

On that level, I think they can understand how difficult it can be to try to make someone do something they don't want to do, and that no matter how hard you try, the package that you bring to the table is not enticing enough. When not pushing doesnt work (keeping things casual), when gentle pushing doesnt work (I'd like to be exclusive), and when forceful pushing doesnt work (no sex until we are exclusive), then they can empathize.

[deleted] · 2018-05-23T14:03:51+00:00

Yes. We can’t empathize with not being able to get sex on demand but we can empathize with not being wanted and not being loved. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/8lciin/have_you_ever_dated_a_practice_or_placeholder/?st=JHJ6HU2R&sh=3d21a0ef

theambivalentrooster · 2018-05-23T14:16:15+00:00

Define incel for me.

edit: let's also ask the question, whose responsibility is it for incels to have sexual experiences?

Is it on the incels to figure out how to get sex from women, or is it on the women to provide sex to incels regardless of their preferences?

azngirl7689 · 2018-05-23T13:34:39+00:00

The psychos who hate women and want them to be raped? Hell no. May they burn in Hell where they belong. It’s no one’s fault but theirs that they are celibate.

DareyFathom · 2018-05-23T13:17:41+00:00

Very unattractive women can probably relate.

SmurfESmurferson · 2018-05-23T14:16:48+00:00

The incels who are just late bloomers, or who are too shy? Sure, I'm sympathetic. Most will overcome it.

The Internet Incels calling for rape farms, forced distribution of sex, and a beta uprising? GTFO, those morons are the result of Darwinism. Those guys are being selected against by society because something is wrong with them, and their genes shouldn't be continued.

goatismycopilot · 2018-05-23T14:42:36+00:00

Not the ones who want to stick women on breeding farms or get government wives as a part of social distribution or rage about how horrible women are.

reluctantly_red · 2018-05-23T13:56:58+00:00

No! These guys are not viable in the dating marketplace and are, therefore, expendable.

Incels have to find ways to validate their lives themselves. Women are never going to help or empathize.

SpaceWhiskey · 2018-05-23T19:21:16+00:00

If by empathize you mean ‘take one for the team and pity fuck’, no probably not. Because that’s usually what it means.

Freethetreees · 2018-05-23T14:06:28+00:00

no, women don't sympathize or empathize with men who have difficulty getting sex, or who can't get sex. Several reasons.

--sex is easy for women to get. Women cannot relate to people who can't get sex.

--A man who can't get sex has failed to carry his burden of performance. He's seen by all of society, men and women alike, as a loser. And women especially hate losers.

--Women (and therefore, society) don't see sex as a need (though it very much is, for men). Sex is an essential component of the human condition for almost all men, and it is a need. (If it weren't a need, men wouldn't masturbate, and internet porn wouldn't be as ubiquitous and cheap as it is.) Yet, for all this truth staring women in the face, they refuse to see it. I think it's because the thought of an unattractive man wanting/needing sex is viscerally repulsive to them. So society shields them from it.

So, no, women will never, ever empathise or sympathise with men who want/need sex and can't get it. Never.

SlimLovin · 2018-05-23T15:58:30+00:00

How could women possibly empathize with incels when incels don't empathize with women?

darla10 · 2018-05-23T14:29:52+00:00

No I cannot empathize because I have no idea what’s it’s like not to be sexually desired. Even when I’m 80 I’m pretty sure my old geezer husband will still be interested in having sex with me thanks to the goggles.

But I can sympathize......unless they start justifying or rationalizing violence or hate speech. Then I just want to take my sword out.

[deleted] · 2018-05-23T15:22:34+00:00

I had plenty of empathy for my RL incel friend and tried to help him become a happy, socialized human being. It backfired on me, and now he hates me completely for being a "tease" or something.

nemma88 · 2018-05-23T15:40:16+00:00

Hmm. First we have to really define inceldom. If for example, a prostitute would not counter the issue(And I'm guessing for the most part no, as near everyone has access to travel to somewhere it's legal if required) it's not actually about the act of sex itself, but validation. In which case assuming you believe there men and women are not the same, things like the ability to get sex easily for women is not as validating many women should be able to empathize their own mirrored issues, but never ability to get sex directly as that is not validating to them.

Sympathize? Sure, but I don't think a lot of incels want sympathy(or even empathy anyway). The incels who are crazy and derogatory? No ones going to sympathize with them outside the sentiment they need professional help, and there are few people would choose to help rather than enact 'justice' in the first place. If Incel communities don't cast out those who are more extreme they will all be tarred with the same brush, naturally.

solorathain · 2018-05-24T01:17:24+00:00

No. Generally speaking, women and men view sex/romance/intimacy differently. An ugly woman can visit a random bar, ask some guys if they'd want to fuck her, and at least one desperate beta will give it a shot. Men can't do that. Men actually need a good personality and a decent aesthetic to get laid. Incidentally, I think this extra effort also explains why men excel higher than women in nearly every facet of life.

Higher standards. Higher effort. More success. Relish in the challenge, men. This is what makes you great. Well, greater than women at least.

[deleted] · 2018-05-24T23:18:29+00:00

The danger I'm seeing nowadays is conflating all guys who can't get a date with misogynists and nazis. Rejected all the time? Unsatisfied with your physical appearance? 30 year old virgin? "You must be a horrid person". I don't see that trend ending any other way but badly.

CatchPhraze · 2018-05-23T14:31:31+00:00

I mean sense woman are valued for youth and beauty over anything else and sense women want realshionships like men want sex im sure there are many less attractive woman bitter about never having a real boyfriend and being considered low value.

PuleaSpataru69 · 2018-05-23T13:27:54+00:00

I do empathize with incels. The thing that makes me feel sorry for them most is that they've been lied to. People have told them that if they want girls they need to be nice, good people, to get a haircut and stuff like that. Truth is, you can be a serial killer and have girls after you. Jeremy Meeks is a felon yet women lust all over him. Chris Brown beat Rihanna and women lust after him and said they wouldnt mind being beaten up by him because he's hot.

I think their resentment comes from being lied to. Or they are said things like"when you grow up girls will love you". Meaning their best bet in life is being a wagecuck to a girl who cant secure her first option.

I empathize with them because I used to be a nice girl for years, I was exactly what everyone said I should be-kind, helpful, loyal and all I got in return was being walked over while bad people were thriving. I was full of resentment.

abaxeron · 2018-05-23T13:26:11+00:00

Women don't empathize even with non-incel men; what are you even talking about.

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CrestfallenWolf · 2018-05-23T15:44:50+00:00

The movement has been framed by the most extreme end of the movement. Not even the founder of incel can empathize with her own movement despite knowing the well intentioned foundation and help it once provided to men and women... tl;dr Not men or women will ever empathize with the movement again.

mistresswhat · 2018-05-23T21:03:01+00:00

Late bloomers and people who struggle with relationships? Sure, there have been times when I've been frustrated by my sexual/romantic interactions. I think everyone can relate to that on some level. I don't consider those people "incels" though, and I think a lot of them would reject that title. Even the woman who coined it has given up on using it. That term has been irrevocably tainted by two terrorist attacks and no one reasonable wants it anymore.

The r/braincels and incels.me posters? Those guys are by and large would-be abusers who are just too socially inept to hide it, which is lucky for women. If your average incel somehow landed the loving virginal waifu of his dreams he'd almost certainly abuse her. If you're a man reading this and think that's not true, imagine being in a relationship with a woman who talks about men the way incels talk about women. Sounds fun, right?

killallthenarcs · 2018-05-23T22:04:33+00:00

Most women with the capacity to have empathy also know better than to express that empathy. Common sense says doing so does not lead anywhere good. I mean seriously I and all the other women reading this are sitting here on our juicy pussies not using said juicy pussies to fuck incels... why would telling an incel that we feel for his plight lead to anything other than first unwarranted hope then incandescent rage?

Why do those guys feel the need to seek expressions of empathy from women anyway? Empathy isn't gonna get him laid. Empathy isn't going to make him feel better, it is just going to throw into sharp focus the fact that she knows exactly how he must be feeling and still won't fuck him.

[deleted] · 2018-05-24T02:23:26+00:00

I guess that's how you define empathy. Most people in general pity them. But no, women aren't going to fuck them out of sympathy

thinkytoes · 2018-05-24T15:40:12+00:00

I did. Then I spent time reading their stuff in their natural habitats.

The same way I don't differentiate Whites who ignore the KKK/Nazi parts of a side Is the same way idgaf about decent incels who kek along hideous shit said about women

They can all, literally, LDAR and not a single fuck will be given..just make sure to keep a few around to sweep up the bodies. We don't wanna see those either.

I do empathize with FAs. But seems incels are seeping in there too so good luck

SDW137 · 2018-05-25T08:18:04+00:00

Never, unless they were to become a guy for a day.

connieways · 2018-06-01T03:31:57+00:00

Doubtful.

I don't really empathize with a group that wants my gender sexually enslaved and obligated to have sex with whichever man.

I also don't empathize with a group whose issue is not having sexual access to another person's body. Masturbation exists. You are not oppressed or abused because you don't get to use someone else for your own selfish pleasure.

I really don't empathize with a group who's main solution is to take away my ability to say no or punish me for saying no.

Incel is just hate and violent revenge fantasies for sex being a mutually agreed and desired act rather than whatever the man wants.

quicklogaccount · 2018-05-23T13:13:57+00:00

No, because all women are incels in denial. Think about it for a moment. Think of a girl and take her pussy away. What does she have left? You wouldnt put up with her shit for a millisecond with her basically bitch attitude and low IQ.

Jammerly1 · 2018-05-23T23:47:26+00:00

No I don’t. It’s 100% white male privilege that these idiots haven’t been labeled a terrorist group.

connieways · 2018-05-23T14:51:39+00:00

I don't think incels actually care about sex that much. It's more about the status and validation that comes from having women sexually attracted to you.

Currycell92 · 2018-05-23T23:07:45+00:00

Will the rich empathize with the poor? Nope. Women will never empathize with incels.

YesICanWhoopUrAss · 2018-05-23T15:24:33+00:00

Women. Do. Not. Empathize. With. Men. PERIOD.

This shit aint rocket science. They know what it's like to do anything other than fucking BREATHE to attract attention from the opposite sex.

quicklogaccount · 2018-05-23T13:31:44+00:00

Empathize, literally? No. Every time they talk about it they're sympathetic and get pissed though.

Through abstraction and reasoning women could understand them. I just don't see any practical reason for them to, besides nerdery or some selfless intent to help them, in which case it becomes necessary. I reckon ignoring completely and refraining from actively pissing them off ought to work for most women.

OfSpock · 2018-05-23T15:39:30+00:00

You have to look at what incels are and are not. Incels are not dorky guys with shy personanlities who just need time to blossom into fine young men.

Incels are the bottom 10% (or whatever) of the attractiveness distrobution. Their opportunity to have sex (or a relationship) are slim to none, regardless of hitting the gym or becoming more social.

The fact is, as much as people like to deny it, their is an attractivness threshold one must pass before personality or abs begins to even matter.

Most people pass this theshold, and thus, really cant even begin to understand what its like to be an incel.

Title	[Q4All] Will Women ever be to empathize with Incels?
Author	Jokengonzo
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Date	May 23, 2018 1:08 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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