Before I begin, a little disclaimer: I'm just a young dumb cis shitlord MD who will be staff before 28 so take whatever I say here with a grain of salt.
It seems that any discussion about the divorce risk, emotional problems, or other "soft" social markers surrounding the debate about women who CC-rode in their 20s seems to devolve into accusations of insecurity, immaturity, misogyny, Other Standardized Buzzword to Enforce PC Thinking(tm). Nauseating counter quotes include inanities such as "Past is past!", "She chose you now, what does it matter who she fucked before?", "Stop being so insecure!", "It only matters in so far as sexual health is concerned, otherwise I don't give a shit".
Ok, fair enough. I can understand, from a purely rational standpoint, why gold digging CC riders and their cheerleaders have such a vested interest in preventing an epidemic of slut-averse beta bucks from occurring, for obvious reasons. God forbid those betas get standards and disqualify them from the gold rush, because that would totally suck for them.
But if you're a patient telling me that partner count or sexual practices doesn't matter when you're in my office asking about your vaginal discharge or swollen, painful labia, you get labelled Big Fucking Idiot in my head, and I thank you, because I look forward to seeing you again for another future 5 minute visit in a couple months that will net me another 60 bucks. Tack on another 20 for a sick note.
Let's get specific. Just what are some of the lovely medical sequelae that present CC riders are at increased risk for? Gonorrhea is the second most common disease (never mind STI) in the US; the highest incidence is in the sexually active female population 15-19, the second highest is males 20-24, but here's the kicker - the female rate is underestimated because infection is often asymptomatic in women. Risk factors? Multiple sexual partners, previous infection, being unmarried. Again, just a Dumb Cis Shitlord, just spouting agenda, not facts, oh wait - this was from the CDC and the American Journal of Epidemiology. But so what? What if I'm asymptomatic! Except gonorrhea can lead to, and accounts for, up to 40% of pelvic inflammatory disease, which is an upper genital tract infection that can cause chronic pelvic pain, infertility, or in severe cases, life threatening abdominal sepsis. Hur dur, we has antibiotics now, we is good to keep on slutting! Ok, fair enough, 90% of cases can resolve with first or second line agents, but past behaviour predicts future behaviour, and I've already had more than one tearful counselling session with an unfortunate who is now infertile "I never thought this would happen to MEEE!!". Repeat customer, beat it each time, until Mother Complications decided to show up and exert her dominance. But but but condoms! Routine barrier contraceptive use reduces gonorrhea transmission rate by up to 50%, not 100%. And yet an early 2000s CDC survey showed only 30% of early 20s women reported regular condom use. Oh well, there's always cats! HPV-related oropharyngeal cancer - AKA human papilloma virus, sub type 16 to be specific. Most common STI worldwide, infection spreads shortly after onset of sexual activity. In decades past the primary domain of smokers, but now thought to account for up to 50-80% of North American oropharynx cancers. Risk factors: early age of sexual activity onset, multiple partners. In graphic terms, if you had a choice between eating out a former slut wife vs. a low count/virgin and chose the former, you are literally at higher risk for throat and mouth cancer. Sure, you will probably beat the odds, unless you're one of the unlucky ones that ends up losing part of his tongue and a radiated wooden neck. Double sucks if you get divorced too.
Herpes - an incurable, but non-fatal viral infection that causes intermittent painful open sores on genitalia. Same family as cold sore virus. Traditionally, your oral herpes are caused by HSV 1, genital herpes by HSV2. With the prevalence of oral sex, you are finding both subtypes on both areas. Still transmissible even if partner is not symptomatic with active sores. HSV 2 generally causes worse symptoms, so woe to you if you get it on your mouth from your dear "past doesn't matter" Special Snowflake. Bonus points if you somehow get it in your eye.
I haven't even begun to scratch the surface of why it's objectively, from a strictly medical and health standpoint, a worse decision to wife up or make a former slut your new monogamous partner. Cervical cancer risk, chlamydia, prolapse, rectovaginal fistulas (essentially, you go number 2 out the vagina), ectopic pregnancy risk, salpingitis, etc etc.
Student health clinics are a gong-show. I get students coming in treating "the clap" like a joke, like it's just a routine cold you're supposed to get like clockwork per year. I love prenatal visits where the husband comes in with the wife, I ask the mom about previous STIs or sexual history, she denies, and at future visits she spills the beans when alone. I actually had one obese diabetic who has poor insulin compliance because, I shit you not, it's a form of fat shaming. Well, if preventing blindness, rotting feet, and kidney failure is fat shaming, call me Dr. Fat-Hating Shitlord. Every week brings at least one Maury-like moment, and it's hilarious. Telling a hysterical patient in ER matter-of-factly and stone faced that she has genital herpes, while watching her faithful boyfriend's expression slowly change as I discuss the possible transmission routes makes the hours worth it. The best part is getting paid well to get a front row seat to this daily dose of human stupidity. So, buy into the flow of PC bullshit about not being a judgey douche if you want, but don't worry, I'll be there with some antibiotics and antidepressants when it all goes to shit. Just pray the bacteria doesn't become resistant before you've had your fun.
Fuck I love my job.
This is a premium shitlord post. Slutshaming? Check. Inconvenient facts? Check. Calling out the betas who settle for used up trashbags? Super check. And there's even a nice little dose of calling out the landwhales amongst us.
Keep up the good work, and make that cash, /u/freshlywashedpillow.
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You can get stds even if you wear a condom. If your ball sac ain't covered and it's making contact with her vag, if she has something you will get it, though it is rare. Some people even get infected while they are removing a condom, they remove their contaminated condom and then touch their junk and boom you got the clap, the clapper. Condoms do NOT equal safe sex!
Indeed, all Hpv requires is skin to skin contact.
Back in my BP days, I had that once a year contact from a girl and was ecstatic. We went on one date, and in the car she just climbed on my dick. I asked about a condom and she said she was on birth control. I had heard of all my friends doing it so I just shrugged it off.
After the sex, we were bullshitting and it came out that her n-count was 35. I felt a little pit in my stomach, but I calmed myself with the BP indoctrination quotes. "The past is the past", "Women are sexually liberated, it's normal", "Just man up and get over it". I dated her for maybe 4 or 5 months, sometimes banging her raw.
I woke up one day a little after with warts all over my junk. I tried to ignore it until I had to go to a doctor. He checked it and went "Yep, that's HPV". I took every STD test I could, waited 6 months, took them all again, waited another couple of months and took them all again to make sure I had no other ones. You don't know how relieved I was to hear I didn't.
It sucks, I had to go in and get the warts removed every once in a while, but as far as these things go, I'd say I almost lucked out. Once they stopped coming back, you couldn't find anything off with my dick with a magnifying glass, although it's a virus, so you always "have it". It's not worth the personal humiliation though, really, it's never worth the risk.
Not true, while there is no cure, a healthy immune system will in most cases completely flush it out f your system withing 18 months (garlic supplements help i've read for the white blood cell count).
Since i've started getting successful I've done all the research about std's, although no two sources have given me the same answer with regards to hpv infectivity.
While all sources agree that given the nature of it (skin to skin contact/often asymptomatic nature) it can be hard to avoid as a condom doesn't protect everywhere and they can appear anywhere on your genitals/anus(and the genital type can be orally contracted like herpes), i've yet to see them agree on when it's safe to start having sex again.
Research has shown that getting rid of the warts does nothing about how liable you are to pass it on, although i've seen many sources say you can start fucking as soon as you get rid of the warts(despite the above).
I've seen others say that their is disagreement about whether their is even a point in telling partners you've had it.
Also the types of hpv that cause warts are the non-cancerous types, tbh i'd prefer a few inconvenient warts over penile/mouth cancer.
Getting back to what you said about banging her raw, chances are if she is the one that gave it to you it was most likely inevitable condoms or no(as her having an oral strain, touching her mouth then your junk could spread it), I knew a guy from uni got it in a part condoms don't cover.
Do you tell anyone you're banging that you had/have it?
This may help and keep a peace of mind, but just keep your undies on and pull your dick out from the hole, put condom on, and leave your balls covered inside. You're gonna get your undies covered in vag juice, but you'll greatly reduce that 50%
You should also Saran Wrap your nuts and thighs in one swipe. Greatly reduces transmission by 99%
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I know a girl who had a relationship and during that time/shortly after, she met allot of older men (she was 20) who fucked her silly.
This resulted in her getting all kings of nasty's. She had no idea who gave it to her and who she spread it to. This resulted in her having to give heads up to everyone.
Including her ex and current fling.
Nice huh.
I think you mean NATURE is a great leveler.
I've never seen this post before now. I was waiting for a punchline the entire time. I don't get it. The argument that OP makes is that it's related to people with multiple sexual partners but it's irrelevant. You could get an STD after one encounter or never get an STD after 1,000 encounters. OP's argument doesn't really read like a medical professional, it reads more like an undersexed sociopath's fan fiction. Sure, more partners equals more risk but less partners doesn't mean you're invincible.
What is probability chance? ELI5
This might help answer some questions. It's rough and doesn't cover all STDs, but it'll give you an idea. https://markmanson.net/std-guide
Ok I love differing perspectives but the first statistic used as evidence in that article is this:
Ok so you're much more likely to die in a car accident than you are to contract syphilis. Good point. The big problem with using these statistics like this is the different time scales (chance of being diagnosed with syphilis in one year vs chance of dying in a car accident over your whole life). That is not a fair comparison of the probabilities. To fix this, we should make the time scales equal.
So considering average life span is 71 years[2] then your yearly probability of being killed in a car accident goes to 1/84 ÷ 71 = 1/5880. Now comparing the statistics on a yearly basis, you are much more likely to get diagnosed with syphilis (1/1800) than you are to die in a car accident (1/5880 chance). Note that this is chance of being diagnosed with syphilis, and not simply contracting syphilis. Since that probability does not take into consideration cases of syphilis that go undiagnosed, then you are even more likely to actually get syphilis than 1/1800.
[2] United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs (29 July 2015). "United Nations World Population Prospects: 2015 revision" (PDF). UN.
Do you habitually confuse possibility and probability?
You need slutshaming. Women have no fucking clue that they are actual losers by slutting it up. They think their mind, who have sexual conquest. Women don't, they get sexually conquered.
Same counts for beta-cucks-orbiters, they need to be shamed. But we all know why both things aren't happening.
This is anti promiscuity in general, and you are framing it to be women specific. How can you be that retarded?
As a guy who has decided firmly that he will use escort service once I get accepted into a Canadian uni for my PhD I'm gonna have to be really careful in choosing my escorts now that I know the risk of STI's is so much more than I previously estimated. Fuck I've never been so thankful I had been a virgin until recently and my N count is so low.
No way you can choose an escort carefully, that wishful thinking. You will never know who or how many these girls have been with.
Those escorts girls that you want to bang, I assume will be banging 5-10 guys or more a week. Now for fun lets guess how many partners a year she will have had. So multiply 5 partners a week with 52 wks, and to be conservative, that is more than 250 guys a year. So if that is your route in avoiding a STI then it's probably a high risk compared to dating a bar slut. Then again high end escorts do take more care and do more check-ups.. Still no guarantee. .... I am not against escorts, but in the end dating or going to an escorts price wise is more or less the same. The latter is less hassle :-)
Damn there is no escaping the risk of STI's. Seriously what the fuck do I do then...? I'm Indian and 5'6" and I always eased myself thinking sex with an HB9 is guaranteed and just a phone call away since I have no problem banging escorts, and tried getting an outcome independence attitude using this cheat code but with the information of this post not even this seems a safe route any more.
VR porn and sex bots look like the only safe route now. What the fuck.
Nothing we can do. Wrap your dick, salute the flag and dive in. Live by the pussy, die by the pussy, bro.
Did you know that escorts actually have a lower rate of STIs than the general population?
They're more careful than the average girl at the bar.
The other day I encountered a chick, suppossedly a nutrician, that assured people that Diabetes type I could be treated with Cannabis and a weird mushroom called reishi, leaving it without symptoms. She also said that obesity didn't cause Diabetes type II, she assured me it was the other way around in spite of all the research. She even had the balls to say that research proved her point, unsurprisingly she didn't offer any sources. Anti-fatshaming makes me lose faith in humanity.
PS: OP, you wouldn't mind sharing some of those stories from time to time right?
You obviously encountered a crazy person.
I know a dermatologist that suggests homeopathy to her clients, at least she does it after giving her professional diagnosis/recommendations, but like, still....
Some homeopathy medications actually do work. Skin issues with homeopathy is pretty good.
lol dude........ homeopathy is absolute quackery what the fuck are you on about
Don't do it then. But until you try it stfu
As I said. homeopathic meds for skin issues are good. Ive seen atleast 3 cases of major psoriasis in my family disappear for at least a couple of years. They came back but psoriasis in incurable.
Sounds like he encountered a naturopath (a doctor that believes all disease can be cured by diet and supplementation). I believe in the idea to a certain extent but you gotta be careful to discern a real naturopath and a snake oil salesman.
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Do you recommend any good books or journals for someone looking to dig into dietary research heavily? I've got some cursory knowledge but at this point I don't know how much bias I've consumed and would like to get as objective of an idea as possible.
Not a nutricionist, but a Med student... If you want to really Understand Nutrition, you gotta read Biochemistry and some phisiology, though I guess with only a strong foundationg of Biochem you will be fine. (Biochemistry by Leningher)
That's interesting, what is the difference in education? Or rather, how much more education do you need to be a RD?
The idea that metabolic syndrome, which commonly ends up as type II Diabetes causes obesity is gaining some traction. Dr. Peter Attia is the most vocal proponent of this I believe, and he does have some convincing arguments. He cites the same research that everyone else points to linking obesity and diabetes but interprets the data differently. That chick does sound like a crazy lady though.
As someone who looks into and takes Reishi as a supplement she should be sued for malpractice if she is spouting that off in a legitimate medical environment. A supplement is essentially an herb or chemical that isn't strong enough to be classified as a drug by the FDA (with some major exceptions) and it would fall squarely under this.
As a recovering fat person, I feel insulted by the fat acceptance movement. By large the people who have insulted me for being overweight are also overweight and usually for improving my state. The method is also passive aggressive: "come on, you've exercised today you can have one of my muffins. Are you too good for my muffins now?"
While I appreciate how easy it has become to be a top 20% man, it disgusts me at the same time.
The cause and effect relationship between Type II diabetes, morbid obesity, and NAFLD is fairly unclear. All of them seem to trigger the others to some extent.
Diabetes isn't caused by obesity, it's caused by poor nutritional intake, i.e. lots of refined sugars. It's just that diabetes usually goes hand in hand with being a lardass.
That makes a lot of sense. However I also heard a theory that being too fat makes the body not process insulin well. For the same reasons that it clobs up veins.
An interesting factoid is that in Australia's legal brothels STD infection rates are lower than in the general population.
This is because of the requirement for legal prostitutes to use condoms 100% of the time, and the requirement for them to check their clients for STD lesions on the skin every time the service them. This is coupled with the law-abiding nature of Australians that results in almost 100% compliance with these safeguards. In Oz legal prostitutes also get STD testing once a month.
So, if you're in the Land of Oz, you're actually safer from disease hiring a prostitute than you are picking up an ordinary chick.
Think about that!
The amount of dick escorts, porn stars and hookers take on is pro level.
NBA players have nothing on a porn star.
The risk / reward calculation is simple. If you don't protect yourself you have no income, you're health is gone, and it's game over.
The cost / benefit analysis of spending time training to detect STIs and asking your clients to show a recent test (if you are high level escort / top porn star) comes out positive for the pros. It's a seller's market.
http://www.relatably.com/m/img/what-the-fuck-memes/What-the-Actual-fuck-meme-6049.jpg
Yeah I know, Jim Jeffries told me this in one of his specials. It makes allot of sense. Whores are just smart sluts.
Remember - Legal brothels.
But yeah girls are sloots here.
Thing is though, this is great. It's nice to have a medical professional give a candid view on what's happening to society. For most people it's a huge problem: no matter who you fuck, you have NO idea where they've been and what you're sticking your dick into. Majority WILL lie. "I'd rather save face than be honest and potentially ruin this man's life with my STD's!" And all it takes is one. One bad encounter. Russian roulette at its finest. Most people wouldn't take a 1-in-6 chance their lives will be ruined by a bullet to the head, so why take an often 1-in-3 chance on an STD?
I don't see a way to fix this. Men want to fuck as much as possible and women are all too obliging if the right man comes along. So how is anyone expected to find a low mileage woman to LTR?? I'm lucky in that I married the girl I was with since I was 16 and we were Virgins, but even then I'm not blind and realise she could have 6 boyfriends on the side if she wanted and there's not a damn thing I could do because I wouldn't ever know. Maybe she even slept around before me and it "doesn't count" now which is why she didn't tell me. I hope I'm not being lied to, but I realise I could be, and I have an escape plan at all times should worst come to worst. It's about being prepared to face the sloot race.
Agree, but there arent any low mileage girls anymore, not for an LTR. Even the 19 year old I am dating has had over 10 partners, she I consider LTR material. Virgins are are a rare commodity, I guess you have to meet them in highschool. Like you I am a cynic too, I dont believe girls will ever be 100% faithful, AWALT/Hypergamy and shit in modern society, unless you live in the middle of no where.
Yeah you got to have an escape plan, its messed up, but at least we know the game!
Virgins are really not that fun unfortunately. You have to teach them to love sex, and some will even refuse to have sex before marriage. I recommend finding a girl in her late teens/early 20's with a previous boyfriend or two, aka 1-2 N-count. Yes, they fucking exist. Try uni-educated girls from traditional backgrounds. Just enough freedom, knowledge, and experience to be open-minded, with a childhood foundation of slut-shaming and traditional values.
Uni educated? You mean the girls who had access to thousands of hot guys in a culture that encourages hook-ups?
Not everyone at college spends their whole time fucking around. You gotta study! Doesn't mean they'll be virgins coming out, but not everyone experiences Animal House every night
Virgins not that fun? Fun for me in bed is 100% based on one thing alone: HOW DOES SHE LOOK. If she's young enough to be a virgin, and can fit next to me in bed, she probably looks just fine
They aren't fun at first but they are very eager to please. They may be squeamish at first but you can teach her to love the dick. Just be ready for her to leave for another one at some point.
It's true that virgins are unexperienced,but what is that getting passed around 15 guyss makes them better in bed as opposed to getting fucked well by 1 guy?
That's the point, 1 or 2 previous LTR's. Lot of experience, low partner count.
Wow. Stop that beta hamster there, cuckey mouse
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Do you even know what you just said? You are saying you can't enjoy a girl only you have fucked. You need someone else's dick to fuck your girl so you can start having fun.
Guess what. You teach her to enjoy sex and have fun
Think about it. You will thank me later.
Yeah... I've had only 4 in about 15 yrs.
Virgins are so statistically unlikely they're barely worth mentioning, and if you do find one they always come with anti matter baggage, "something dogmatic or depressing keeps them out of following their nature."
V card at 18? Shocking.
At 22? Wtf did you do why are you so messed up what're you hiding?
Wtf is with the prevalence of beta bullshit regarding virgins?
The amount of sex a girl has doesn't qualify her as ltr worthy. The whole point here is that it's the opposite.
Chances are a virgin girl is just a social outcast, raised conservatively, etc.
Yeah, who wouldn't want that and all the rest.
etc.
Seriously, a conservative virgin is never paid enough, by the board.
Just be happy about it, lol.
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Couldn't agree more! It's for this type of girl that all the game you practiced pays off. She'll likely have a better system of values, and a lower n-count. On a related point: getting out of your comfort zone (i.e. dance recital, or some-such event) is a goldmine. Went to my club's pool, which is super family friendly, and met a true-to-form HB9.5. The kind of girl that makes old men wish for their younger days. We chatted. She took me to meet her milf mom and the 3 of us chatted the whole day. All this at my club's pool on a Sunday. Nothing came of it sex-wise, but it was such a confidence boost knowing that my game had become good enough to entertain such quality.
Oh they are out there, but if you show blue pill behavior around them, it's only a matter of time before your sweet snowflake is blowing Chad and swallowing, with enthusiasm.
It is really rare to find CUTE girls on their early 20's that are virgins. Yea I know a few, but they are almost unfuckable, super stuck up nerds, or whatever.
Early 20's girls with 4 + o - partners are not that rare though... With enough experience you will know how to see them. Most of them don't have slutty friends, had 1 or 2 long term boyfriend etc.
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I had one who was 24. Can confirm, totally nuts. Hottest girl I ever had. 9 at least.
When I was in my last year of high school, 9 years ago, I had dated this super cute, bandnerd blonde. Easily a 9. She had some major mental/social issues. We'd go out, have a wonderful date, then she'd call me as soon as she got home saying she didn't wanna date me again. A few months would go by and she'd call me saying she'd missed me and wanted to see me, etc. Rinse. Repeat. We'd go out, the next day she call/text she didn't wanna see me again, blah blah and just wanted to be friends.
On the 3rd time, I was in college, she was a freshman at another one, and we decided to meet up and I had decided if I couldn't at least get a kiss I'm out, 3rd strike you're out, for good. We had a nice walk along a river, and we finally kissed. I figured it OK, I'm in now, it was gonna be different this time. Nope...
A few hours later I get this 3-page long facebook message about how wrong it was for me to have pressured her into kissing, and that she had just gotten out of a 'wierd' relationship with this guy at her college, and that this was her first kiss, and she wanted to just be friends. WTF She was a 19-20 yo, blonde hot 9, and a kissless virgin. Batshit crazy though... So all I replied was: "k." Never saw her again.
Yeah, they are usually BPD, my friend has a similar story
Man.
Do i know too much about bpd. "Experience, study, and training"
I don't care how ethically wrong it could be to avoid Samaritan behavior. Get. Them. Away. From. You.
Wtf is with the prevalence of beta bullshit regarding virgins?
The amount of sex a girl has doesn't qualify her as ltr worthy. The whole point here is that it's the opposite.
Chances are a virgin girl is just a social outcast, raised conservatively, etc.
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Ah hehehe, good question. I am in my mid 30s :-)...
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I am not sure today if it is even important. I will at least always look at the value the girl has, family upbringing and so on. At least from my personal experience HB5 to HB7 under 25, say they have had around 5-10, so multiply that by 2-3 for the real number.
I think the question is all of us that aspire to get that HB8+, the amount of guys constantly hitting on them is insane. Even my girl on facebook gets bombarded with msgs everyday from guys, and especially when out in town at night.
So I dont care to much about n-count, more here background, values, had some long term monogomous relationships and upbringing to see if she can be LTR material. If not than it is a plate.
why are you cuffing my nigga? Is you the police?
The original post is a year old and already outdated. Gonorrhea is more serious today than it was then. There is strong evidence that it's developing antibiotic resistance and would make it much more difficult to treat. Source: http://www.cdc.gov/std/gonorrhea/arg/
"The Scorching Eternity" strain, I think UCSD has that incurable version of that going around.
I don't doubt your medical expertise, however, if this is to be avoided, then seems to me that EVERYBODY has to be much more selective about who they have sex with-men and women both have to batten down the hatches. I am confused; according to red pill theory, the sluts go for alpha males who then settle for betas But BOTH alphas and betas have sex with the sluts, why are the alphas immune to any disease? I could have got this wrong, put me right if I am. What you are implying (inferring? never sure what is correct word) it seems is that men shouldn't take advantage of the women on the cock carousel.
They are not immune. The 50% stat is news to me. Condoms don't prevent stuff as well as I thought.
If we can't bang sloots anymore... what do we do?
Continue on the path of self improvement, it's never ending.
Start changing society to put women back in line?
I think we're beyond that ever happening.
You guys just don't understand stats / can't read. He said condoms reduce the gonorrhea transmission rate by 50%. That doesn't mean you have a 50/50 chance of contracting it every time you sleep with a girl lol fuck. The transmission rate might be 5% for example, and generally the way they do these stats is based on 100 couple-years. So if 100 couples have sex for a year with one infected partner, 5% will convert/infect their partner. Then you add condoms and reduce that rate by 50%, now 2.5 couples per hundred in a year will convert.
Thanks for this, having context of collection methods and an accurate method of interpretation gave quite a bit more nuance to my kneejerk reaction of "wtf 50 percent?"
No worries. Stats are easy to lie with and often tough to understand. I hadn't looked up the actual transmission rate though, but according to the CDC the transmission rate for gonorrhea is actually very high at 20% per episode of vaginal intercourse. This still doesn't represent your risk when sleeping with a random though because there's a very low prevalence among middle class white women (17x higher for black women).
My n-count is 26 (I think?) and I'm still clean to this day. Either that 50% stat is BS or I'm lucky as shit.
Then again, only one of those was a ONS (I try to avoid those) so maybe it's just the type of women I've been with?
I've had 5 ONS and I'm clean. Been got tested after the last one.
I think it's BS. I also think it's not nearly as common as MDs think. Sure they see alot... cuz that's where you go when you have one. Also the reported number women give doctors is not trust worthy. So if on average a woman who has one has had 5 partners that number could actually be 50+.
Just because it's a doctor doesn't mean she will tell the truth. The fear of being slut shamed is to high to have an accurate report from patients.
Another thing to consider is that women regularly get checked automatically with their regular (and generally free, thanks government!) OGBYN visits. Most men won't see a doctor until they can't stop the bleeding or can't walk for some reason. Combine that fact with the 80/20 rule and we may have a reason for the doctors' 50% rule here.
Stay with me here. If we factor in 80/20 rule, that puts men more in the 12.5% range. Let's now further factor in the top 20 that have low standards (and as such, increase their risk). In other words, I'd wager that not all men in the top 20% will fuck women below the 40% threshold, but only a select few. If you think about all that, you now have a slew of hambeasts that have ghonnasyphaherpaids because they only screwed that one drunk Chad with low standards that one night, but otherwise don't really get laid much. A woman who's a bit higher SMV and more prudish may not fuck that Chad knowing he's out of her league.
A quick google search leaves me blank, but I would highly wager that the prevalence of STD's in women is much higher than that of mens'.
Md student here. Probably true, we see a lot of them everymotherfucking day we visit the hospital.
I know a lot of people with a huge N account without std... I don't have aniway to prove what I will say, but
N account = Multiplier. Chances of getting it = Social and Sexual background.
Slutty Sarah who has rich parents fucked 20+ rich kids, and they only fucked among themselves... so probably no std.
Noww, Slutty Kamie at medium class collegue fucked 20+ regular kids, maybe one of those fucked a white trash drug addict woman back in his town, and now you have a problem.
As an MD student you should really have a better idea of STD stats. Are you studying med in pakistan?
Maybe all of those who are in the clean 50% think it's BS.
It easier to contract something as a women than as a man . Like I think for Hiv for women it's like 1 in 2 if the guy has hiv while for a guy it's 1 in 10000 if the women has has HIV
Transmission rate of HIV is higher for women, but not by a factor of 5000.
For a woman having sex with an infected man, it's 1 transmission per 1,250 exposures. For a man having sex with an infected woman, it's 1 transmission per 2,500 exposures. So it's twice as likely for a woman to contract HIV when exposed (this is all vaginal sex).
Source: Lancet
See my stats comment above
I know someone who lost his virginity, and from that one experience won the grand prize of venereal warts.
So yes, the n-count sort of applies to her partners as well.
I knew that girl too, and you would never suspect it. She just seemed too nice. One of many lessons in AWALT that confused me back in my blue pill days.
Yeah, that's cause it's not an accurate statistic. They aren't a fool proof option, and you can still get things from having oral sex. Just don't go raw dogging every girl you're banging, choose carefully.
Regarding the implying/inferring issue, if a speaker makes a statement with a hidden meaning attached to it, he is implying something. If a listener believes there is a hidden meaning in a statement, he is inferring it. In short, a speaker/writer implies; a listener/reader infers.
I hope that clears it up.
None of what OP was talking about sounded that bad except infertility. Unless you're unlucky enough to end up with cancer you can probably beat the rest of STIs with modern medicine. For a "beta bucks" infertility is something he would want to avoid.
You're looking at it from the wrong angle. Being an "alpha" will make girls want you but - seeing as you cannot control who she fucked before you - the point of the post is that you need to be selective in who you choose to Fuck.
What is being implied is that the alphas are the source of the STD's that ruin the virgin girls.
Not saying I agree with this simplification.
I don't think that is being implied, but I think inference should be made in that direction at least a percentage.
Yeah I agree with everything here, one should wrap it up.
However, most girls I have hooked up with, even those who claim to have a low partner count (yeah right) don't insist on using a condom. They dont even bring it up :pppp Only the girls I hooked up with from the healthcare industry insisted (they know the deal).
I was surprised at this, and asked some friends around if they had experienced the same thing. Seems like guys, a lot of girls like going raw too. So the low condom use by the young seems correct.
So I am playing Russian roulette, but damn it feels good without :-).
Feels good until it's not. Wrap it up - it's at least a line of defense. I know a lot of people on here are probably from the developed world where infection rates are pretty low, but when I worked at a lab in a sub-Saharan country it was crazy the number of people that tested positive for HIV. Before I relocated, I seen a couple of family (2 aunts and 2 uncles) and friends that I went to high school with develop full blown AIDS and die. I learned from an early age to ALWAYS wrap it up.
Yeah, unfortunately I know you are right and there is no excuse :-)
I'm surprised you're the only one that brought that up. The past few girls I've been with did not want me using a condom. A girl I'm currently seeing does not want me using one saying she doesn't like it. Honestly they feel exactly the same and I don't care what anyone says.
The girl I'm with claims she's on birth control. She showed what she was taking and everything. I'm hoping she's clean from stds, but you never know.
I know she don't want kids and even though she takes birth control, I still pull out because you never know. Women have us by the balls. If I want to use a condom, I'm severely limiting my choice of sex partners. Put it this way, the last girl that was cool with me using condom was back in last October. That means it would have been almost a year since I've had sex.
I know I'm playing a dangerous game, but Im just very careful who I have sex with. The girl I'm currently seeing has recently got tested so she's good for now as long as she's not banging someone behind my back.
Yeah this happened with the last girl I was with. Started initiating sex and got her on the bed. Was wondering if she would say something about protection, nothing. So I go ahead and do it with her, several times over a week. So I assume, well, she must be on the pill since she is ok that I am not using a condom, and she even said she doesnt want kids, which I believe since she still has 3years of University. Later that week, she tells me she is worried that we have had unprotected sex for over a week, and asks me to go the pharmacy to buy the morning after pill. My mouth drops, and of course I go buy it make sure she is taking it. Then I start using a condom hehehehe
I guess the point being that we men need to protect ourselves, is too damn easy it appears to get a STI, even with rubber, so wrap it up as the guys says. We cant trust the women are taking the pill to avoid pregnancy, and we never can know their partner history or if they have an STI.
I think what one can do, if you are going exclusive with a girl, and this is what a close girlfriend of mine does, insist on having only safe sex with condom for a while (one of the few). If they decide to go exclusive then they both get tested, and if all is good, rubber is off.
But I agree with what you are saying, my friend says the same thing about a girl he is hooking up with, she doesnt like using the condom... So all precaution like pulling out etc. I even for extra protection record her last period and using an app predict when she is ovulating to avoid unprotected sex at that period.....
But I hear ya, its a bitch... Guess I need to start wrapping it up, better safe than sorry!
Great comment and I agree with everything you stated
You really think they would deny you sex if you insisted on wearing a condom? That seems pretty fucking crazy to me.
Yes, absolutely. I'll give you a great example when this did happen. It was about two years ago me and this girl was getting ready to hookup for the first time. As we started making out and taking our clothes off, I told her to "hold on."
I got her off of me and went to grab a condom. As soon as I got it on she didn't want to have sex. She said I killed her mood for going for the condom. Then a few minutes later she said she didn't like having sex with condoms. So we sat there looking like retards and I didn't get to have sex with her that night. She stayed over early in the morning. Same thing happened that morning. When I was getting ready to get the condom she told me to just forget about the condom. I went raw (stupid on my part because she was a whore) and that was that.
I had a few close calls, but I'm running into a lot of women that don't like condoms. Yes they will deny you sex if you consider using a condom. And all that back and forth talking to her about using condoms in the middle of having sex will kill the mood for both you and her.
I think it would be key to be able to walk away in that situation. Like I would start putting my clothes on and walk out the door. If she was actually pretty fired up she might be like "oh just this once".
This is semi-sensitive information, but what is your race, age, and location? As a late 20 something white man in the west, I have NEVER experienced anything like that.
26, black and in the Midwest. Black girls tend to do this the most. However a white girl I'm currently seeing doesn't want me to wear condoms because she says she don't like them so I'm just trusting her use of birth control
Literally every girl I have ever had sex with has insisted on no condom. I always keep it wrapped though.
The suggestion itself to not use a condom makes me want to use one even more because I know I'm not the only guy who was told "don't worry about it" lol.
Still relevant comment by the OP in context to a comment about male N-count:
Never forget, you are male so you do not have the same safety nets if you fuck up and sacrifice your health.
If you eat pussy, partner count definitely matters. Cases of male oral cancer linked to HPV are on the rise. If you like fish dinners, make sure it's fresh.
As a fellow MD, well done to you. Keep up the good fight. And that rectovag fistula, just a social construct, like gender, nothing to worry about.
Not according to Google images (ugh, how do you Doctors deal with this condition and keep your lunch down?) Wait, those must be totally photoshooped, there's no way a strong Womyn could ever suffer from a tear during childbirth or from Tyrone's mammoth cock. Fucking Patriarchy at it again.
If they shit out the vagina, does that make anal sex better?
Would you really want to anal sex someone with this shit?
Pretty sure it was a joke...lol
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Currently, that will only help with certain strains.
Can confirm, i got herpes while wearing a condom.
In Canada they vaccinate all teenage girls. Go crazy.
edit: I think they've been doing it for a long time now, so women up to 30yo should be guaranteed vaccinated.
No fucking shit. "I wore a condom, so nothing can affect me later"... what vapid bullshit. Right on man.
Yeah and it still ignores the condom failure rate when it comes to unexpected child support claims or abortion bills.
Either way a man is better off adding additional safeguards of some sort than just condoms alone.
The only way to prevent STDs is being ugly.
which is why i'm safe 4life x) well at least i get to laugh at people catching disgusting diseases because they behave like cattle,only upside i guess
damn... sex seems unappetizing.
I'm in college and I don't want to get an STD but I have a feeling that if I asked a girl if she was clean before having sex she'd probably just lie to me. Is using a condom really that ineffective at preventing STDs/STIs?
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A better question is "When were you last tested?"
Just wrap your tool, you'll be ok, and take a look before you leap...
Herpes can spread without visible symptoms, to areas just beyond condom coverage.
No, it depends on the STD. A herpes outbreak for example could occur closer to the anus, so in missionary position even if you wear a condom your unprotected balls hang against her ass. So you could get it anyway if the outbreak isn't in the most likely spot. Condoms don't completely cover your body...
This line still gets to me. How can I ever believe another thing that comes out of a woman's mouth. I know I know, the answer is in the question. But my god, is this what it's gotten to?
Every woman I meet (and have ever met) is another schrodinger's cat. Both a slut and a normal girl, who the fuck knows. That's some sweet cognitive dissonance right there. Which I will never get my answers to, because we know they lie and will continue to lie until their deathbed.
I pity the plugged in and beta male, for they are getting played horribly. Imagine living besides a ticking time bomb like that. Where as any day your girlfriend/wife might spill the beans, give you an STD or divorce rape the fuck out of you.
I don't know what's worse. Hearing about how your girlfriend got gang-banged by the entire football team, getting incurably sick or losing half your money and shit.
Back in ancient times I could at least physically punish the fuck out of her if she misbehaved. Society would have my back, my mates would- they might even light her up for me.
Her reality would be clear, behave and live or fuck up and die. Welcome to my reality bitch. But no, I digress, that's some misogynistic, mentally-ill, barbaric shit I'm spewing right now. I should get punished further for even considering the thought of offensively defending myself.
It's 2016 and everything should be one big fantasy land where reality doesn't exist and everyone can be anyone without getting their feelzy feelzies hurt
love this post , reminds me of Doctor House cool stuff
So I keep hearing wrap it before you tap it. Why has the oral aspect been glossed over?
Wrap it before she sucks it. And use a dental dam before you lick it.
A dental dam can be easily made from a condom by splitting it down the side so you have a large square.
http://www.sexualityandu.ca/stis-stds/how_do_i_protect_myself_from_stis_stds/dental_dam
condom origami.
Well thats what I tell my asian bitches.
I can attest to the hsv 2 to mouth thing... :(
Licking out sluts is a stupid idea. If you really need to, there actually exists protection for this. Use it like always using a condom. And still you are not 100% safe.
So conclusion: Even as full blown alpha-stud, you should not become a full blown man-slut unless you like to get an STI.
There is nothing less sexy then dental dams.
I can't wait to get some and try it out just to see the look on a girls face.
I don't disagree. Best is you don't do it if you have not been exclusive for quiet some time (and even then she can cheat, but it's about minimizing the risk).
Man-sluts are men who give their commitment to anyone (beta's). There are no sexual man sluts, men are programmed to spread the seed. STD's are simply a result of society, I'm curious what role they played in ancient times.
Reminded me why I went monk mode/vol-cel after sitting through health class in middle and high school. Thanks /u/CrimsonPerspective and /u/freshlywashedpillow.
The acknowledgement of the hazardous effects of unconstrained female hypergamy leads to the next Red Pill. It does not matter if you are an Alpha or a Beta. All men are confronted with the effects of lost gender polarity.
Womens nature is demanding access and is now uncontrolled. Globalism and feminism enabled women to choose only men of the top hierarchy. After experiencing the prime of their life (i.e. cock carousal) women end up as empty shells. Even if Betas ignore bad features of former sluts, e.g. high STD ratios, their low bonding capacity is damaged due to low oxytocin.
All in all, hyper-individualism and enjoying the decline is only a temporary solution.
Thanks, keep up the good work.
I like this guy already! Nothing like a dose of reality.
LOL- in my collection of clinical photos, I have shots of a guy with a ring of genital warts around the base of his cock where the condom ended.
This just clears up the reason why Catherine zeta Jones made a big deal out of the fact that Michael Douglas implied he got throat cancer because of having oral sex with her throughout their marriage, in 2013.
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It's both women and guys. They don't give a shit because it's treatable. My own slutty ass sister got gonorrhea and she currently sleeping with a new guy claiming it's her boyfriend. Poor guy has no idea what he got himself into.
Obviously women are worse because getting sex is shit easy for them. When a (normal) guy bangs he probably has a nice window to realize he fucked up. Get treated and re-enter the game.
Women not so much, they can fuck 4 guys in one week and 2 guys in the 'off-week'. No idea who the STD came from.
Before they spot it they might be on the CC for 10 dicks straight.
Back in the 1980's there was really deep, deep, deep fear of AIDS.
Then by about the late 1990's all fear went away as it became clear that it was contained within the homosexual male sexpool.
These days you can treat HIV infection like it was something mild and there are even sub cults within the gay male world called "Bug Chasers" who purposely set up an HIV infection so they can "join the club" and truly be part of the homosexual community.
Are we doing something similiar in the straight world?
High levels of promiscuity leads to increased spread of disease.
This has been known since they understood germs and even "believed" through superstition long before that time.
An interesting historical example of STD's:
Syphilis
Yeah. Liberal media is saying herpes doesn't matter anymore. everyone has it, like geez!
Most everyone has Herpes Type 1.
Herpes Type 2 is the one that makes those big sores and is more rare, but still is pretty common.
I like the idea of calling it Herpes Type 1 instead of HSV-1....gets the point across that it's not a big fucking deal.
The Herpes Type 1 has been around since at least ancient Egypt.
Type 2 is nasty because it creates horrible sores, often in very visible places on the lips.
Imagine being drunk one night and kissing some sloppy drunk whore who has Herpes Type 2 in her mouth. The most infectious stage is just as the sores are emerging because the germs are bursting out of the sore. You then get this infection without even knowing it. A few weeks later you suddenly get your own sore emerging in a visible place. Women look at it with horror.
The good news is that for most people after 5 to 10 years the sores become less frequent, so for most people your body adapts to it. But the virus never goes away and finds places in the body to hide for the rest of your life.
My guess is that older human cultures were aware of the dangers of promiscuity, especially before contraception. Which is why they heavily maintained the importance of virginity when finding a wife. A slut was no good, and only good for a fuck. It really is a danger to humanity to have rampant diseases going around. But hey, modern medicine can fix it all right?
Most of us during the 1980's believed that promiscuous sex was over... AIDS represented the end of the road.
Then they effectively cured it and by the late 1990's it's as if AIDS never happened.
Damn that would be scary. I'm already scared of infected sluts.
The thing is that there aren't currently any diseases that aren't managable.
Even an HIV infection is something that can be kept in check for the rest of your life.
But historically when a disease entered the "sexpool" it just spread at whatever rate of promiscuity existed in the population.
Southern Africa was hit hardest by HIV and overall something like 25% of males and females in the region are infected.
But our media rarely mentions this because they fear people will return to families that practice monogamy.
Disease is good for business I guess.
This is a big reason for MGTOW I'm sure...
I couldn't find it on the CDC website but do genital warts = hpv or can warts be caused by other things?
And can you be vaccinated for HPV after you've had warts/as an adult?
All warts are a form of HPV.
Source: American Association of Dermatologists
Not necessarily- I've gotten molluscum contagiosum. Not technically considered an STD, but can be spread through sexual contact, and that's the way most adults get it. Though athletes can get it from shared equipment.
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Hmm....the warts don't look the same at all though. What do you mean?
oh no I was just agreeing that not all warts are from HPV.
Great advice. There is no cuckery more profound than getting an STD.
like you all faggots get laid.
Condoms. They are there to ensure you can only have safe bareback sex if you sign a contract with a woman.
Have a question: does herpes wet fissures * are closed temporarily and open back when there's friction?
Great reminder. Can we all get an amen?
When in doubt, keep your dick out.
One of the most savage posts I've read on TRP. Good stuff. 👍🏼
Damn... I really like banging sluts.
Now what will I do with my life?
Oh. This. This made my fucking day. Please post more.
I love it when people tell it the way it is. Fantastic. Love your inconvenient truths for the sluts out there.
Thats why women cant be sluts its unhealthy but they can upgrade to a better man post 8mos no sex,its always better for 10 women to share one man than one woman have sex with 10 different guys.(her whole life)
Number 2 out the vag? Eeeewwwww
Never understood how people don't get this. Don't marry the village bicycle.
Yup, I have encountered fat activists who claim all the disastrous consequences of obesity are "big medicine" propaganda. Surely next step is claiming that letting a hundred cocks infect you is okey dokey because STDS are a myth created by "big pharma."
What a delusional world we live in. Feelz over realz!
Honestly guys, what this post should click in our heads is that taking part in the CC has higher risks than we've been told. The CC needs both parties to tango.
So if women are going to sloot it up nowadays, its really up to men to demand more women with integrity and to bring back the sloot shaming.
It will 99.9 % not happen as most dudes just wanna get laid with any girl no matter how long she's been on the CC. But, really we have the power to become selective as a whole and change women's slut ways.
Really, I'm not gonna hold my breath for that shit. I think I'll just go to a 3rd world country and get into an arranged marriage with a virgin to have my children. I'll definitely bring in my own gyno to confirm that the vagina is in its original in the box condition too. Call me crazy. That's fine. But at least then I can't get taken to the cleaners in a divorce, and I'll get a virgin to have like 6 of my offspring. There's a big world out there gentleman. Carpe fucking diem!
Does this mean that legal prostitutes are a better option since they routinely test for STD's?
Seeing that society views most men who go to prostitutes as losers, these losers would have very low N counts, so the risk also goes down with hookers.
I love prostitutes. Always use a rubber. They are tested. Better than CC whores?
well yeah. i read a statement by an australian doctor that said prostitutes in australia, where it is legal and there are mandatory monthly health tests have lower rates of std than the general population.
There may be mandatory health checks in legal brothels....
But most are illegal and remember girls are the oldest teenager in the room... so yeah....
But good pros are pretty professional about condom use.
One of the best posts I have ever read
The problem is that women will just play down their amount of partners. They might share what they have done with their exes before but consolidate 5 partners into 2 partners, because the "3 other were too short timed to count" and "to spare your feelings". No, it's because she "doesn't want to be nexted for being a whore". There are girls out there who kissed every friday night with some guy for years on straight, so you're rolling your tongue in a place where it hit 3 digits of tongues.
Gold post. Thank you. You've given me more oomph to monk mode in red pill than ever
It's a funny thing: plenty of people will get their curls in an uproar about "beautiful" animals like Cecil the Lion, but often forget that at the micro scale mother nature is a horrible bitch. Virus, germs, bugs : they're all nature too...
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I think you probably already have AIDS
This is a great post. Women are such dumb cunts...lol
This scares the shit out of me O_O
So... not sure what this is debating. I don't care about the number of partners a women has. I'm banging them because I want to bang them. Is this telling me not to bang sluts anymore? Nah, I'm good. I didn't want babies anyways, so them being infertile doesn't hurt me one bit. And I definitely don't want any LTRs so wtf do I care about how many people they banged.
Is this just ammo for the debate of "the past is the past"? Cause I couldn't care less about the past. Don't be judging me on mine, and I won't on yours.
Suit yourself. Not sure about you but I'd rather live without a disease-infested cock attached to my body
You must think asymptomatic means you don't have the disease. Wait until you get sick and the infection appears.
Good day sir.
Plus, it's cute you think you can take a woman at her word and assume she tells you the correct number of partners she's been with. TooCute4me
What? Are you projecting or something? I'm tagging you "disease dong douchebag"
By the way my cock is 100% certified disease-free.
Well it's good to know you keep track of descriptions of penis.
Keep that hobby up.
FYI - 1) Asymptomatic, doesn't mean disease free. 2) Getting a negative result on a generic STD/STI test doesn't mean you're free of infection. 3) You don't show detectable antibodies for diseases until after 3-6 months after infection. 4) enjoy keeping track of infected penises 5) No such thing as 100% certified disease-free, unless you have skin grafts. And then you'd only be doing it because you showed symptoms. TooCute4Me
More like, the more promiscuous the woman you bang is, the more likely you are to get infected with a disease. And no PC culture should discourage you from disciminating promiscous women.
If you think you can live with the risk, then that's your choice.
So you're saying you're deluding yourself on purpose?
Why not just say: I prefer more sex and more risk?
Who said I didn't say that?
Increased STD risk applies to increase sexual partner count for both sexes. Don't get why the same advice doesn't apply to men here?
It's not the count itself that matters, it's the quality of the partners. Having wild sex with 365 clean and healthy different dudes in a year is better than having sex once with a trashy junkie.
Yeah, sure enough that woman made extensive background checks on all of those 365 guys, lol.
You can see from the way they dress and a 5 minute talk if people like and can afford to take care of their bodies. Vas majority and people with social status have good health.
This man has a thing for experiencing the abyss which is human nature. Give him a cookie!
I wonder what the biggest reason for female promiscuity is. I find its usually due to lack of father figures and or sexual abuse. So maybe if some men didn't fuck up young women so badly, they wouldn't be driven to self destructive cock carousel riding.
STDs = battle scars. Sex is like football, why do I do it and risk my body? for the game.
All valid points, However All STDS can be cured, and they are more rare then common, and I have such a good immune system that it doesn't even matter