The fact that this case is so open-shut and people still support Kesha shows we have a long way to go

MasZakrY · 2016-02-23T18:04:06+00:00

But these are two separate cases. One is about a contract and another should be a criminal case of rape. as far as the contract litigation goes, the judge is right. Anyone of average intelligence would ask what her problem is. The record company and Dr. Luke told her she can go ahead and record music and tour, whatever. And she is crying? She signed a legal contract, now she wants out of it? Has anyone asked if she falsely accused the guy of this harassment in order to get out of a record contract that she thinks is less beneficial to her now that she is famous?

ld2gj · 2016-02-23T20:06:27+00:00

I felt bad for her, then I found out that Sony offered her the chance to have another "boss" and she refused...She now has dug her own grave.

TheXanderp · 2016-02-23T20:52:51+00:00

Using rape allegations to get out of a contract? This Luke guy would be a fool not to prosecute Kesha, all the celebrity support for kesha is practically a public announcement that he's a rapist. She needs to be prosecuted.

HotSauciness · 2016-02-24T01:45:07+00:00

This really isn't an open-shut case, it's just he-said, she-said. The earlier deposition, in an unrelated matter, isn't as big of a deal as people are making it. She was asked if she had an intimate sexual relationship with Dr. Luke, and she said no. It's possible she wasn't raped, it's also possible she didn't want to bring the rape up at that time for that question.

The other issues, such as Sony allowing her to work with other producers, and the fact that there is no evidence, are enough that she shouldn't be allowed to break the contract without some evidence. But as far as the rape goes, it's not a definite false accusation, just a he-said/she-said where it's important to emphasize "innocent until proven guilty"

gurnysimpson · 2016-02-23T18:24:49+00:00

Ah the "break-down in tears" defence, incredibly effective. Dr. Luke may have won the court case but when it's all said and done he'll have lost Ke$ha's war.

Samuel-pena · 2016-02-23T17:37:27+00:00

I've been thinking that same way. Just the fact that Kesha is using her power as a celebrity to sway public opinion about Dr. Luke should be a crime. Even if he is guilty it is innocent until proven guilty.

SuperDadMan · 2016-02-23T20:50:55+00:00

What did Dr. Luke study in grad school?

tramareddit111 · 2016-02-23T19:33:23+00:00

Maybe he did or he didn't, but this business contract is completely unrelated

hotchok · 2016-02-23T23:00:17+00:00

Okay, full disclosure, I'm a woman who was sexually assaulted by a former boss and this story hits pretty close to home for me.

I'm always curious why so many men's rights activists are so quick to jump to "LYING" when a woman claims she was assaulted. Like I said, as someone who has experienced sexual assault and was terrified to speak up, the immediate "she's lying" stuff really hits a tender spot.

I agree that this man is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. But the truth is, rape cases don't exist in a vacuum of perfect fairness. Sexual assault and rape is basically impossible to prove. I didn't report when I was sexually assaulted for a variety of reasons, and I don't regret that choice. I wasn't up for that kind of scrutiny and I was perfectly aware there wasn't any evidence to convict my boss anyway.

In fact, for a long time, I pretended my relationship with my former boss was totally hunky dory and professional, because I didn't want him to ruin my career or have the incident with him follow me for the rest of my life.

So I can totally see why Kesha might have lied five years ago. When you have a power disparity like the one here (biggest music producer in the world vs. the 20 year-old pop star he created) it is not outside the realm of believability that she might have perjured herself because she was scared of him and what his money and power could do to her.

I don't think we'll ever be able to prove beyond reasonable doubt that Luke did or did not do what Kesha claims he did. But to me, it seems like much more of a stretch that Kesha orchestrated an elaborate lie to get out of her contract for unknown reasons (including faking a stint in rehab, an extensive legal battle, intensive public scrutiny, and presumably paying for acting lessons to fake that courtroom breakdown, while risking torpedoing her career forever) than that she lied under oath five years ago because she was scared of a man who held considerable power over her.

If Kesha was really conniving enough to fake all this to get out of her contract, I believe she would have picked something easier to prove.

scupy42 · 2016-02-23T18:51:11+00:00

I want to know why the hell she had to sweat under oath that he didn't rape her. Where did that come about?

qdobe · 2016-02-23T22:48:12+00:00

Though I do not know the details of the case, and the Rape case still has yet to be settled, it seems to me that Kesha just REALLY wants to leave Sony, and that is the major goal here. People pointed to her sobbing as proof that rape occurred, well, she could be upset that she didn't get released from the contract either, because those are real emotions as well. She seems more upset about not being able to leave sony than anything else, even the actual rape...

cottonthread · 2016-02-24T16:20:24+00:00

There is a thing called the backfire effect where a person with strong beliefs will actually have them reinforced when confronted by evidence that those beliefs are false. It's possible that this is what we're seeing here.

Electroverted · 2016-02-23T22:29:51+00:00

An engineered pop star wants to break the chains of the company that made her. This would be like One Direction trying to go solo.

Gets mommy involved, who writes a nasty note to her producer. Ineffective.

Uses the rape card with no evidence or criminal trial. Ineffective.

Claims PTSD, is told she has flexibility with her production choices = Ineffective.

Uses the crying, sensitive, victimized woman card. We'll see where this goes, but I'd say hey career went from dying to decayed.

yummyluckycharms · 2016-02-23T19:02:54+00:00

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youhatetruth · 2016-02-23T22:09:13+00:00

But but...a VAGINA OWNER indicated the guilt of a MALE, SHITLORDE`! /s

2016-02-24T02:51:06+00:00

Since we don't know for sure whether or not Luke raped her, I do have some sympathy for her. If it's true, it would suck to be in her situation.

BUT since Kesha said under oath that he never assaulted her, there's not much anyone can do about it. Contracts exist for a reason. If you can get out of a contract by saying you were raped even though you originally lied about it, everyone would get out of their contracts because then they'd be meaningless.

Dnile1000BC · 2016-02-23T22:36:27+00:00

Female privilege in action.

ThePigmanAgain · 2016-02-23T21:52:02+00:00

Let this be a lesson to male producers -- never work with women. Really, take your talents and use them to turn men into big pop stars. You'll be doing both yourselves and the male sex a big favor.

Rethgil · 2016-02-23T21:49:44+00:00

So glad to see someone finally speak out about this. As you say its utterly clear cut yet have seen so many sensible people on social media post retarded 'you go girl' type petitions backing this horrible messed up woman and slurring a man a court has decided is not guilty of any charges. Someone MUST counter sue her for libel and wrongful prosecution.

Ovendice · 2016-02-23T21:58:58+00:00

$1000 says she got fucked up one night and had sex with him and then did again a few more times. Now she doesn't want to be with him anymore... but it's like having an affair with someone you work with anywhere, when you break up, well, they're not going away! They're going to be right there again tomorrow morning.

The fact that most women today IMMEDIATELY resort to making a false accusation of rape or sexual assault to solve every problem is very telling about how empty and black their souls are. To just frivolously destroy someone else's entire life just to solve a technical matter.

It also gives you insight into WHY women are so horrible at business (only 2% of CEOs are women, only 6% of CFOs are women, 5% of COOs, etc.) .. women don't negotiate, they DEMAND. And if you don't give into those demands, they instantly start making false accusations of the very worst kind to destroy someone or some other form of blackmail and fraud. When all they would have had to done back when they were little girls is learn how to barter, the art of I'll do this for you if you do this for me, instead of always trying to be a 'princess' who gives commands.

ReidErickson · 2016-02-23T22:03:05+00:00

Plus people who even care about this usually don't really understand it. When I heard about this, the girl who told me said her manager raped her and Sony won't let her find a new manager. But I dont see an issue for supporting Kesha. If she was actually raped and abused, and Sony was aware of this, I could understand not wanting to be in contract with them anymore.

doyoulikemenow · 2016-02-23T17:13:47+00:00

It's open-shut in the sense that there's insufficient evidence to convict him for rape, yes, probably. And he absolutely shouldn't be convicted unless there's more evidence.

However, that doesn't prove that she wasn't raped. In fact, it's more likely than not that she was. So as long as you're not harming him in any way, why not support her? Do we only support people who can prove that they were the victim of a crime?

Sorry, but if you were unable to film yourself being raped or have witnesses present, you don't get any support

That seems pretty cruel.

Proteus_Marius · 2016-02-23T23:53:21+00:00

Hopefully, this fellow is waiting under legal advice for the current shameful abuse of the courts to end before he seeks ~~significant~~ any damages.

Title	The fact that this case is so open-shut and people still support Kesha shows we have a long way to go
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Date	February 23, 2016 4:41 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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