Staring at someone in public transport is now sexual harassment, apparently.

winterbleed · 2015-12-04T15:35:29+00:00

So put Tom Hiddleston on a bus and prepare to arrest a lot of women...

smurfdatkush · 2015-12-04T17:06:21+00:00

It's official: Staring at your phone is now the proper and polite thing to do

SexistFlyingPig · 2015-12-04T17:12:24+00:00

How fast would this whole program get scrapped if men just started hammering the button.

"That woman was leering at me."

10-20 times an hour. The security operations would be scampering back and forth doing nothing at all.

McFeely_Smackup · 2015-12-04T18:23:53+00:00

Last weekend I was standing in line at Costco to get a hotdog, there was a woman in front of me with two early teenage daughter...one of which was wearing yoga pants.

so i'm just looking at my phone when the woman yelled at me "HEY! ARE YOU TAKING A PICTURE OF MY DAUGHTERS ASS???"

I actually looked around to find the pervert and realized she was talking to me...so I turned my phone around to show her and said "No, I'm looking at football scores" and she said "OK, WELL YOU BETTER NOT BE"

So now I'm mad, and I said "Look, you clearly have some concerns about how your daughter dresses in public, so maybe that's a conversation you should have with her".

Ok, I didn't say that...but I thought of it later and wish I had. What I actually said was "Fuck you, you white trash bitch!".

Ok, I didn't say that either. But also wish I had. What I really said was nothing at all because I know a losing situation when I see one.

Blutarg · 2015-12-04T16:59:06+00:00

Leering or looking--nothing completely subjective about that.

Leinadro · 2015-12-04T13:49:51+00:00

But let me guess only when men do it to women right?

Now i agree that staring at someone can be harassing.

The question is when does it transition from looking to staring?

Kinbaku_enthusiast · 2015-12-04T15:45:32+00:00

SOMEONE ARREST THESE BULGE STARERS!!

Rockbottom503 · 2015-12-04T17:05:26+00:00

It's such a subjective thing! I've seen people accused of this for looking at a name on a name badge and fights start when brief eye contact has been made. At the end of the day if you don't like travelling with people you don't know and may not respect you BUY A FOOKIN CAR!!!

TheStorm117 · 2015-12-04T15:43:57+00:00

I guess if you have a penetrating gaze. Ah? Ah?

youhatetruth · 2015-12-04T17:14:28+00:00

Avert your eyes, MALE...disdainful leer

Frittern · 2015-12-04T19:07:10+00:00

I've been accused and verbally accosted for leering before, very unpleasant experiences. I wasn't leering i'm just introspective and spend a lot of time ruminating in my own thoughts and just looking off in some direction. Their is no intent I'm not even thinking about what information is coming through my eyes it's just the direction my eyes were pointed when i went off into my thoughts. I'm more careful to look at the ground or some distant visual with no foreground so I don't get accused again. People read into a stare what they want even if it's just absent mindedness or distraction they see malevolence.

v573v · 2015-12-04T18:42:30+00:00

ETA: Giving suburban middle class women the power to keep urban lower class men on a leash.

DavidByron2 · 2015-12-04T17:20:10+00:00

"All men are rapists" standard feminism.

I question whether there is anything called "sexual harassment" that applies to two strangers on a bus, even in Canada....

Sexual harassment law's basis is such that it makes it hard to create a law for it outside of work or education.

So you also can't take a photo of someone or talk to them.

http://www.edmonton.ca/ets/safe-ride.aspx

However they don't seem able to actually define "sexual harassment" or refer to any law to suggest it is illegal in any way. If that's the case are they enforcing an arbitrary code of conduct on a public service?

The closest to a definition on that page is this sweeping statement:

"Every ETS rider should feel safe"

I wonder how they would react to people saying they don't feel safe because a Muslim-y looking person is on the bus?

Apparently they want to encourage abusive reporting too:

"We’ve changed the decals on there so that people understand that there is no penalty for misuse,” explained Chuck Vandeelpiepers

http://globalnews.ca/news/2172663/groping-its-a-crime-edmonton-transit-launches-campaign-against-sexual-harassment/

2015-12-04T17:28:23+00:00

Except if you're Tim Brady or...a woman. Then it's perfectly ok, because remember guys it's not sexual harrassment if you're a hottie.

Upvote_To_The_Left · 2015-12-04T17:40:03+00:00

whats the difference between starring and leering? this is ridiculous!

swingthat · 2015-12-04T18:36:52+00:00

Absolutely this is becoming more and more like a feminist police state. You really do need to constantly stare at the ground in order to avoid a false accusation which will stick 100% (because all males are born sexual harassers by default). Just avoid eye contact and stick to yourself. This is what the world has become. And yet when the shit really hits the fan, all of a sudden you're her daddy. Quoting Pacino here "All you people in here with your rocks and your furs. You get robbed, you get raped, and I'm all of a sudden your daddy."

jimmywiddle · 2015-12-04T16:47:54+00:00

haha Canada.....

2015-12-04T19:24:33+00:00

I can only imagine what a society completely run and dominated by women would look like.

Hivac-TLB · 2015-12-04T19:42:48+00:00

Ahh. Good ol Edmonton touching system.

Ippikiryu · 2015-12-04T20:55:20+00:00

I can't wait for a feminist to call the police on someone for leering to find out the guy in question is legally blind.

Endless_Summer · 2015-12-04T21:51:31+00:00

Uhh, if you're constantly watching my face and following my eyes, that's harassment. And fucking creepy. I'll point my eyes wherever the fuck I want.

2015-12-04T22:04:09+00:00

Its illegal to be male in Canada

mwobuddy · 2015-12-04T20:30:33+00:00

Mike used leer!

Not only did it lower Jane's defense, it also triggered Jane, sending her into a fit of rage.

Later..

Jane used taunt!

Mike took the bait, and ended up in jail after rape accusations.

GG Mike

Ricwulf · 2015-12-04T22:27:27+00:00

Leering directly at someone can be considered rude, but that is it. Sure, it makes whoever is being leered at feel uncomfortable, but that isn't harassment, especially when it is unintentional, as many people do just "stare out into space" and that direction might have someone there.

Also, how much does someone want to bet that this would never be held up if a woman was doing it to a hot guy?

CommanderStarkiller · 2015-12-05T01:00:21+00:00

Lol I'm fucking autistic, talk about horseshit. I can't help but stare. Do I have to wear some arm band just so I don't get charges?

Anon-Dutch · 2015-12-04T20:36:08+00:00

What ever happened to: you can look but you can't touch?

mindscrambler26 · 2015-12-04T21:02:52+00:00

Suddenly many men start wearing shades and pretend to be blind

ee4m · 2015-12-04T13:26:18+00:00

Staring has long being considered a form of harassment or intimidation.

See how boxers or mma fighters traditionally face off for example.

TranquilThought · 2015-12-04T19:51:42+00:00

To the ETS'S defense. The coloring and language is neutral so it's not showing any discrimination even though we all know which gender it is implying based upon gender bias's

scionoflogic · 2015-12-04T22:41:05+00:00

It's winter. What are we leering at?

Check out her. I bet she looks amazing under all those layers.

My fantasies would be a half hour long, twenty nine minutes of getting her undressed and thirty seconds of sexy. Then another thirty seconds of apologizing. Canadian after all.

Azothlike · 2015-12-04T23:23:03+00:00

No "leering".

Typical motte-and-bailey feminist /social-regressive linguistic tactics.

What does "leering" mean? Unpleasant or sexual staring. Who decides if it's unpleasant or sexual, seeing as how these are completely subjective adjectives? Nobody.

Now that you have established a suitably vague concept, you can tap dance around it.

Motte: a man has looked at me on the subway for more than 0.5 seconds. Time to mash the button. Security, this man was staring at me! He was leering, it was repulsive, it was repugnant. He was objectifying my body, and I felt it was unpleasant. Somebody should stop him, how dare he. Can't he read the sign?

Bailey: What do you mean, you can't stare at people in Canada? That sign says no leering, not no staring. If you're not ogling a human being the whole ride with a hand in your pants you shouldn't care. Can't you read the sign?

Canada's fucked. Abandon ship. Man the borders and stamp out passive aggressive social injustice posters like ant hills, until Sweden implodes and people learn.

njjj3o2 · 2015-12-05T12:59:47+00:00

Am I supposed to keep my eyes downcast in the presences of women like I'm in some reverse taliban society?

loddfavne · 2015-12-04T19:35:02+00:00

The rules are as follows: A woman can dress anyhow she wishes. If an unattractive man looks at her, it's more likely considered rude the less attractive the man is. This means that the men who are unattractive should be careful not to look in the direction of attractive women. In medieval times in Europe it was common for nobility to demand that the commoners shouldn't challange them with their gaze.

The police have been given the task of upholding some laws about sexuality. What these laws have in common is that they only seem to punish men. We allready see that some sexually unattractive men are blocked out from the sexual marketplace in college and high-school. They might later in life find a spouse because they accumulated wealth, but they might also not.

The men who are successful will never know what this kind of discrimination is. The high percentage that is not successful will probably learn to loathe women.

There have been attempts at remedying this inbalance, like Redpill or men ignoring women. But, at the end of the day Islam offers a sexual strategy for those men who have no incentives for sexual liberation. Islam has the infrastructure in place for a different society that actually values men more.

For some men, sexual liberation means that they have to finance the women with bastard children with the taxes. While being actively punished if they try to make advances towards the other sex themselves. And they will face discrimination in family-courts once they had a sexual partner. The cuckolds of society. The beta-males.

fedoraislife · 2015-12-04T20:07:10+00:00

Playing the devil's advocate here, and before you downvote just hear me out, but the sign doesn't specify or target any genders. I can't in good conscience say that this is definitely a Men's Rights issue, when for all we know the creators of this sign purposely worded it in a way that acknowledges both men and women.

I understand that societal stigma plays a part in shaping who this sign is likely directed at (i.e. 'leering men'), but arguing that it definitely does can just as easily be seen as us projecting our own bias rather than taking it at face value.

buddhasupe · 2015-12-04T20:08:01+00:00

Of course it's Edmonton... ETS is terrible.

EuroTrash_84 · 2015-12-04T20:58:07+00:00

I thought ETS that sounds kind of like Edmonton, then I did a double take and realized it is from Edmonton. Weird seeing Edmonton content outside of the /r/Edmonton or /r/WTF subreddits.

PlaidShirtz · 2015-12-04T21:50:33+00:00

Correct me if im wrong but there is nothing gender specific on this ad? It doesn't say women only and its kind of insane that it is in this subreddit.

2015-12-04T21:54:54+00:00

Don't flatter yourself. I was staring at that pile of shit you call a blouse and wondering how many cars it can cover

falsekoala · 2015-12-04T22:39:46+00:00

If a woman stares at me, can I report her?

Zednix · 2015-12-04T23:06:26+00:00

Have you seen the posters that are suppressed to tell people rape is bad but only show men as the rapists? Edmonton has some weird shit going on.

ThePigmanAgain · 2015-12-04T23:19:27+00:00

That's how bad it's gotten -- nigger ain't even allowed to look at whitey no more. Next, we will be expected to walk three steps behind them.

vhisic · 2015-12-04T23:57:25+00:00

Its like our most basic of instincts to seek a partner to reproduce with on par with eating and just a little behind breathing. Would be really nice if we could just act like humans and do the things that come naturally to us. I swear these people would see us stop breeding and have our species die off.

TheHeckWithItAll · 2015-12-05T02:35:17+00:00

Need to change the name of this sub from MensRights to CreepyTeens because real adult men don't leer - that's something preserved for insecure teenagers.

Litig8 · 2015-12-05T17:03:07+00:00

My favorite thing about this post is the fact that this subreddit likes to hammer on SJWs and the like whenever they "invent" something to be offended about.

You guys literally just got offended over nothing. This doesn't even target men. It says nothing about men. There is nothing discriminatory about it. Yet here you are, upvoting it to the moon because you love your victim complex.

2015-12-06T04:45:39+00:00

”Don't you eyeball me boy“

scanspeak · 2015-12-04T18:22:54+00:00

Because women are strong and empowered.

skipperdude · 2015-12-05T02:46:13+00:00

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mwobuddy · 2015-12-04T21:41:54+00:00

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fredanator · 2015-12-04T13:45:53+00:00

LEERING. It's never ok at work. It's never ok [on public transport].

Target audience: men who are too scared of a talking-to from the HR lady to do any LEERING at work, and who think they can get some sneaky LEERING done on the bus home.

Koiq · 2015-12-04T18:17:47+00:00

OP are you seriously defending this? Leering has LONG been considered harassment and IT IS. It's creepy as fuck, regardless of gender.

This subreddit is turning to shit. This is not a mens right issue.

What, you want to 'fight' for the right to stare at people on trains? Fuck off.

This sign isn't even gendered! It's fine! IF it said something like "If you see a man staring then call..." I would take issue but it doesn't.

Title	Staring at someone in public transport is now sexual harassment, apparently.
Author	Jasperkr672
Upvotes	466
Comments	256
Date	December 4, 2015 1:18 PM UTC (10 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3veuvy/staring_at_someone_in_public_transport_is_now/
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