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Insane how normalized financially compensating women is. In Canada she is entitled to half your house and assets after only three years of dating.

NeoNotNeo

June 11, 2022
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-common-law-legislation-couples-property-division-1.4915419
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Title Insane how normalized financially compensating women is. In Canada she is entitled to half your house and assets after only three years of dating.
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NeoNotNeo

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Date June 11, 2022 11:48 AM UTC
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Comments

[–]xcheshirecatxx 261 points262 points263 points 4 years ago (72 children) | Copy Link

Not "in Canada"

Quebec made a judgment saying if you want married privileges, you have to get married

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad 59 points60 points61 points 4 years ago (67 children) | Copy Link

Such provileges should cease to exist in the first place. Mans assets must belong to him, and only to him. Same with money, and societal status.

Women can earn her own.

[–]Futureman999 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, it's simply the equality they've been demanding for decades.

If you want money, why not work for it yourself instead of trying to forcibly take it from a romantic partner?

[–]xcheshirecatxx 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (58 children) | Copy Link

It depends. Prenups should be legal and like automatic

If a woman is a stay at home mom by a common decision, she supported him and their family. She needs something to get back on her feet, depending on length

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (57 children) | Copy Link

No.

If her vagina is her castle, then my wallet is mine. She should have known better than to be with an empty account and a shitty career. Isnt she an adult?

Same with tax money. Unless money only comes from other women, it should not be spent of supporting women in any way.

[–]xcheshirecatxx 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (42 children) | Copy Link

Our body parts are our castle. Your dick is our castle

Being a stay at home mother, or father as well, is a job without a salary. When both make the decision to have that type of family, the stay at home parent need help after they sacrificed having a career

That's the price you pay for all the free work that was done

And it's why it needs a prenup, as conditions need to be met to ensure the person who provides doesn't pay a shitty work

[–]KochiraJin 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

The problem is being a stay at home parent is barely a job anymore. The things that used to be necessary have all become vastly more efficient due to technology. These days it's much more efficient for the stay at home parent to pick up a flexible job. Preferably one they can do from home.

[–]xcheshirecatxx 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah it depends on the child and their age. I can work at home with my step son, he's 8

I can't do the same with my needy baby. He's always in my arms so chores are hard to do.

Also depends on finances : we can't afford the same appliances. We just invested in a portable dishwasher

We have daycare, I work at home. I lunch at my desk and I save at least 1 hour. My son is less at the daycare that way

I also make 17k over what my fiance makes, working more than I do.

That's the difference between barely finishing high school and a degree

[–]KochiraJin 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea, I overstated things there. Was thinking housewife but typed stay at home parent. My point still stands however that the work is less due to technology now. Once the kids are in school that opens a ton of free time. Things are much better than they were in the past.

[+]GroundPepper 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You clearly don’t have kids

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Nah, we just dont look for reasons of why something is impossible. We look for a way to cut it, despite those reasons.

Its called being an adult. Life is hard, and demanding. Deal with it, and do your part as expected instead of guilting others to do your part for you. Especially that we all know, that women will not do the same for us, when we are in need.

[–]koolhandluc 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Life is hard, so might as well make it harder by having kids.

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Where there is a good will, there is a way found. Where there is an ill will, there is a reason given.

[–]Futureman999 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

that's the price you pay for all the free work

No, it's the price you pay for getting to not have a job for however many years of your adult life your romantic partner was willing to put up with it. All things end, including relationships. They're not a government pension, just an arrangement. Don't like it? Earn your own money, full stop. Same advice a modern feminist would give to a "basement dwelling incel". Get a job, slacker!

This ain't the 1950s. All educations, occupations and opportunities are open to women. Adult life is full of choices, and choices have consquences.

[–]xcheshirecatxx 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm working full time, making 17k over my partner

I wouldn't be a housewife. My partner would like to have one.

That's the whole point. Choices have consequences. When 2 partners make a choice of an provider-housewife dynamic, that comes with consequences for the man as well

Not a single person talked here of an unilateral choice nor a slacker

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

And his decision can change, at any moment. Sorry, you do t get to have him forever, if you are - for example - not good enough. Why should he then pay for it?

Not to mention of women puahing men into decisions, in various ways. Which is a norm, nor an edge case.

[–]xcheshirecatxx 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's why I said there should be a prenup. If the working spouse just decides to go with a younger partner and ditch the family, it's different than just the stay at home parent cheating

There are men pushing women for decisions as well. There are religious choices. There are traditionalists

If you decide to separate, you have to help the partner who sacrificed their career to raise YOUR children, who did the chores alone and whom basically allowed you to focus and build a better career

If you don't want those consequences to have someone unloading your shoulders at home, don't have a stay at home parent in your relationship. Do half the chores, do half the child raising

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Prenup ia not good enough. Everything that we deem ours, must stay ours.

We are not a team anymore. Feminism caused that.

Unloading my shoulders at home? Lmao. Most men work full time, AND have a career, and then work at home while offloading kids from her ass at the same time. With barely any rest. On top of that, we will be expected to be a properly sexy and good in bedz too.

If we fail at anything, we will get fucked over on her whim, by a divorce court.

Meanwhile, women: hurr durr, I only want to do bare minimum, but lets split that in half. But pay me, hurr durr, because pay gap and unpaid emotional labor and unpaid work at home too!

Maybe men ahould count pennies on how kuch women should pay them for what they do and provide, too? Wild guess: she'd owe us so much, we'd own her sorry ass till the day she dies. And then some.

[–]Man_of_culture_112 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

And the work done to maintain the home she stays in? Or the work done to pay the bills? You don't need a wife to clean, cook or do laundry.

This sub has way too many tradcons in it, it's the only way to explain the up votes.

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

Yep. It takes 30 minutes a day of actual work to keep the home clean. Literally. Not 8 hours.

[–]Man_of_culture_112 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly.

[–]xcheshirecatxx -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

It's not 8 hours to clean, it's also taking care of kids. It's certainly not 30 min either with kids, and also depends on the house. The number of kids as well.

I'll never be a stay at home parent, but I can understand the work done

What's false is the feminist claim that stay at home moms are the equivalent of a ceo

[–]Man_of_culture_112 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

What's false is that feminists claim sahm are equal to working class people. Sahm is a luxury nit work and saying the labor is equal to a full days work is divisive and anti working class. Being a SAHM with all the alimony and child support is a position of strength not weakness.

[–]xcheshirecatxx -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

Stay at home parenting is a sacrifice of financial security. That's why they need temporary help, depending the length of the sacrifice

In Canada, alimony is never permanent, and child support ends when children grow

Also, a separated parent who decide not to work should have child support and alimony calculated on potential income

[–]xcheshirecatxx -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You don't need a wife for that, but you have to do half the chores if both work

You don't have to pay for a daycare either with a stay at home parent

Understanding that some people have the right to choose a traditional family unit, or the opposite with a working woman and a stay at home dad, and not fuck up the parent at home, is not being a tradcon

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Then they shoyldnt have sacrificed the career. If men do it, they get exchanged for a better model.

[–]xcheshirecatxx 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

That's why a prenup and a common decision, geez

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Prenups aee not good enough. When they are 100% finality and safeguard everything, includong what man worked for during the marriage - then it would be a bare minimum.

"Common decision" can be ...negafivelly influenced by that woman, in various ways. For all purposes, we must treat her as potentiwlly malicious party with a conflicting interest- its just safer and more effickent to do so. Lets not pretend that all women are angels. They are not. And men must be effectivelly safeguarded against those that are not. Sacrificing "good" women is just an efficient choice.

[–]xcheshirecatxx 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I never said women were angels. You have to same attitude that feminists have toward men about rape. I've been abused by a few men. 3 raped me, 4 stole money. One 10k

Should I treat men in general as potential rapists and thieves ?

Should we sacrifice men when weighting false accusations versus actual rapes ?

Don't enter marriage if you don't trust a prenup. Stand up for yourself

You're also the only one who gender the issue. Stay at home dads need to be protected as much

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. Same attitude. Welcome to equality. Which includes diplomatic rule of equal response. Forgivness just doesnt work that well.

And it also includes realpolitik.

[+]Quail_eggs_29 -6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Lol. ‘Her vagina is her castle’

This reads like ridiculous satire, yet i know you’re serious. Which makes it even funnier.

Tax money shouldn’t be spent in sexist ways.

Alimony is definitely valid and ethical in the aforementioned case.

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Is it not her castle, tho? She has total control over it, after all.

I expect same total control over what is rightfully solely mine - my money that i earned with my work (for myself, not for mythical "us", she can work too, you k ow? And she should be EXPECTED to, too. No matter what. Therefore, she should not need my money, at all, ever, if she is not up to auch a basoc task, she is not fit ti be in any form pf relationship with a man), and my assets.

Its basic justice, nothing else, that she shouldnt even be entitled to be informed about HIS money and HIS assets. Unless HE unilaterally decides that thia is profitable to HIM. Money runs the world, not woman's whims.

[–]Bike_Of_Doom 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

The argument is without respect for gender at all:

Suppose the parties agree that one will stay home and raise the kids while the other works. The implicit assumption is that the working partner will continuously support the non-working partner in compensation for their time and continue to support them for a long time afterwards, given that marriages are not supposed to end, even if they do. If the parties break up and the non-working partner hasn’t done something like cheating to cause the breakdown in the agreement, then by not continuing to support the non-working partner, at least for some time, the working partner gets all the benefit of the essentially free labour and loss of time and opportunity that the non-working partner endured.

It’s basic justice, to quote your own phrase, to ensure that the party that received less benefit in the short term in exchange for long-term support is not exploited through the abrupt termination of that agreement (and thus the benefit they would have received by the trade-off) by requiring that some portion of the money that would have been paid to support them in a continuing relationship be continued while they transition into a new career and reorient their life, unless it can be demonstrated that the non-working party was at fault for the end of the marriage.

Now should this support be indefinite? No and it ought to decrease over time to incentivize finding a suitable employment or replacement income. And should it increase if the spouse makes more money in the future? Also, no, unless through fraud the working partner hid income. Should all marriages immediately require the higher paid party to compensate the lower paid/ unpaid party? Once more, no. This form of rule must apply irrespective of which gender the parties are and even as the current system does not do so, that does not itself attack the principles on which this argument rests. That is evidence of the need for reform and change not the utter annihilation of the principle.

But to say, “oh well, you’ve been married for 25 years and raised three kids while your spouse advanced their career on the promise that the working spouse continue to support you going forward, but fuck you that just changed, off on the street maybe plan your life different next time,” is within nobody's definition of justice. One can easily be for reforming the current system without denying how the total abolition and creation of the world you suggest is not only counterproductive but fundamentally unjust.

[–]xcheshirecatxx 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I definitely need to be informed about my spouse asset. I pay more, because I have a bigger salary, but I should have known he carried too much debt that I would end up bailing him out, and I'd basically have to buy a house myself for us

[+]Quail_eggs_29 -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Aight, but that’s not what we’re talking about.

I’m not here to explain ethics to you, unfortunately.

[–]banjocatto 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Same with tax money. Unless money only comes from other women, it should not be spent of supporting women in any way.

What do you mean by this?

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Any money that men put into the system, should only ever return to them and other men. We are not on the same team anymore.

After all, women need us like fish needs a bicycle, right? It should obviously include them not using our money, assets, anything...right?

[–]banjocatto 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Why are other men entitled to the assets and money of other men?

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

We are a group. We should support each other.

[–]banjocatto 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Men aren't a monolith.

The majority of resources are also consumed by elderlycl citizens over the age of 75.

I don't see how cutting women, who are members of our society, off from social services benefits anyone.

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Why should men pay for someone not of their group? Women can just, you know, man up. Earn more, put in more tax for their group.

This obviously benefits someone - men could get way better social services thwt way, for example. Surprisingly, you see no benefit for anyone...or is it thst you dont see WOMEN benefiting? Telling...

[+]Keeptigh -6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Being a stay at home mom has nothing to do with her vagina, this is a decision for the family and also the husband, I mean as the husband if you want her to be handling some expenses definitely she need to be working and don't expect her to be able to cook, take care of a baby with work and also have sex with you because I am sure you as a man can't also do the same, I mean how many men can take care of a new baby, still cook for 3 mouths, go to work and still f*ck. Moreover it's marriage, it's suppose to be partnership where both members are giving their all, not one trying to have an edge over other.

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, thwts interesting, considering that men ARE expected to do all that, on the regular. Why should we not keep women to the same standard?

Cant cut it, little girl? Or just entitled to be a queeen of the universe?

You yourself are talking about giving it all. Then do it. You expect that from men? Show it and bring it youreelf. Practice what you preach.

[–]banjocatto 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Anything either partner made, or had before the marriage should remain theirs. BUT, if one partner stayed home, raised the kids, took care of the house and everything else (and maybe even worked part time) so that the other partner could pursue their career; the stay-at-home parent is entitled to half of the household earnings. (Whether they are male, or female).

I agree though, that 3 years of dating or marriage, especially when there are no kids involved doesn't warrant alimony.

It's really a case-by-case kind of thing.

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

No. This opens up a way for women to emotionally manipulate men into a situation that will be long term deterimental to them. Even if its just a potential, this is no longer acceptabl, no matter the reason.

[–]banjocatto 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

This is already how it works, and for the most part, it's fine. I know women who pay alimony and child support to men.

Why should someone be left destitute after they gave up their opportunities so that their partner could pursue a career?

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Her choice, her consequences. If she didnt know better, men ahould not pay for that kind of worthless "partner".

[–]banjocatto 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Mothers who stay to take care of their children, their home, their husbands needs, and even work part time are worthless?

How?

Why are you so anti-woman, and anti-family?

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If she is not good enough to his standard, why should she be treated as a worthy one? You really want to set someone's standards by which they are to judge you...?

Im not anti-woman. Im pro-man's gain. To women, im only totally indifferent.

[–]banjocatto 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Im pro-man's gain.

How does it help men to leave women destitute when they have dedicated their lives to their husbands and children?

If she is not good enough to his standard, why should she be treated as a worthy one?

Are you saying men should be allowed to toss their wives out onto the streets with impunity? You think a woman deserves nothing, even after having sacrificed her own career prospects to support her husband, and take care of their children and home?

You really want to set someone's standards by which they are to judge you...?

What are even talking about? When did I ever say women should be setting men's standards?

[–]Gumgi24 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Source ?

[–]Kykio_kitten 64 points65 points66 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The law?

This is the only source I can find that states it clearly but Québec generally doesn't recognize common law relationships.

https://www.common-law-separation-canada.com/quebec.htm

[–]Gumgi24 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks

[–]xcheshirecatxx 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We are equal while in the relationship, we have all the tax stuff, for example

But once separated we part ways , we don't owe our ex any money except any child support

https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2013/01/25/lola-c-eric-la-liberte-de-choix-victorieuse

Our courts are also better for dads than in many places

[–]NeoNotNeo[S] 154 points155 points156 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

A freind moved out there ages ago and tells me it’s nuts. The Province is kinda like Texas so this is confusing. Guys are breaking up around year two especially if there’s any doubt about relationship. Which is a good thing overall. The delusion about how much we value sex is fuelled by this type of lunacy. I like it. But not enough to give someone a home, or a car. For most women barely a meal.

[–]GivePuppiesBazookas 39 points40 points41 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The Province is kinda like Texas so this is confusing

TX you can date and live together as long as you want, you have to legally declare you are a domestic partnership. So.. TX is actually much better than this as you get this neat thing called a choice... lol Which is honestly rare here.

[–]Big_Chocolate_420 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

problem is if she says they lived together and can proof it in some way or the other

[–]XenogenderCensored 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There are only 4 states left in the US that recognize common law marriage. In some cases even if you are in one of those states you still need legal documents calling your relationship a marriage (filing as married, being married on children's birth certificates, health insurance, mortgage, or a common law marriage certificate etc.) before you can be considered common law.

But even in some of those states the issue is if one partner (with less income) files for a common law divorce you have to prove you are not married in court and the partner with higher income may have to pay the other partners legal fees.

Essentially you will pay a team of lawyers to fight your team of lawyers until you run out of money fighting it out in court over if you are married or not or you can settle.

I settled with my ex GF for significant amounts of money even though we were never married or common law married.

Because of the way my pay is structured with stock/bonus during one part of the year if I was actually married the amount I would pay in Alimony every month after taxes is literally more than I make every month.

So even as bullshit as the settlement with my GF was I still dodged a bullet by not being actually married.

[–]barrathefknworld 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The thing in the US is you have actual legitimate financial incentives to get married such as income splitting.

In countries that have common law marriages such as mine, you don’t get those incentives. It’s just all downside to cohabitate. It’s just as bad as actually being married.

[–]jadedlonewolf89 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Isn’t Texas the state where if you sign into a hotel as mr and mrs that you’re married by common law?

[–]63daddy 40 points41 points42 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

This is why men need to be aware of “common law” and ensure they don’t fall under it. It’s one of the reasons why I never allowed a girlfriend to actually move in with me, and insisted she keep her own place.

[–]WeEatBabies 62 points63 points64 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Feminist are way ahead of you :

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/no-home-or-kids-together-but-couple-still-spouses-appeal-court-rules

"A wealthy businessman will have to pay more than $50,000 a month in spousal support for 10 years to a woman with whom he had a long-term romantic relationship __even though they kept separate homes__ and had no children together, Ontario’s top court has ruled."

If a feminist wants your money, she will take it!

[–]63daddy 25 points26 points27 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Glad I don’t live in Canada!

[–]Ravore 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s the smartest move

[–]ignatztempotypo 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I am dumbfounded. What's wrong with people? How are the men necessary to pass and enforce this crap, able to look in the mirror?

The women, sure, I get it. Who cares because it's men we're screwing here, let's go!

The simps though...

[–]gime20 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for your unbiased and critical decision on this case Superior Court Justice Sharon Shore

Absolutely no personal weight in warping legal systems to fit her own view of men

[–]fogoticus 29 points30 points31 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

3 years of dating? So you don't even have to be married for her to fuck your life up?

Jesus, Run.

[–]ThorpeRave 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

From Canada, cause its a shitshow

[–]Def7e7 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Are they going to make this more common in other areas of the world? I think their goal is to break down traditional family units. And basically damage relations between men and women.

[–]barrathefknworld 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This is already the case in Australia, but instead of 3 years it’s only 1.

[–]Def7e7 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Absolutely wild stuff. None of it makes sense otherwise.

[–]ThorpeRave 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In Australia, its actually not 1. There is no set time limit, you're in a de facto relationship the moment you share living expenses.

She could come over one day and buy the groceries and shes eligible for half of your shit.

[–]JwPATX 87 points88 points89 points 4 years ago (36 children) | Copy Link

What a weird law…it’s like extra compassionate for women, but with the assumption that it’s the 50s/they have no agency in their lives.

[+]thinkAboutItAgain9 -33 points-32 points-31 points 4 years ago (35 children) | Copy Link

Common law in Canada makes no mention of gender. It's exactly the same between men and women as assets are split. This includes homosexual couples.why would a law that makes no mention of gender assume women have no agency?

[–]WillCuckSmith 63 points64 points65 points 4 years ago (32 children) | Copy Link

Because most of the time in life women make less money, have less of a career, work less, etc. You don't have to put a sex on it. That's how it's worked out.

Also, men date down. Women do not.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

That’s the problem. Men need to stop dating down and have some standards. If everyone dated across there would be a few sad women sure but we’d have less to bitch about on our side.

[–]Ravore 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Someone has to date down?? There is no 50/50 split. There will always be an inequality in money in a relationship

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, women can go and date down if they so choose. Why should men be the ones to do it?

[+][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Your right, it’s not very often both people make exactly $35 an hour and work the same hours and have the same benefits. But it’s not unreasonable to make within a couple grand of each other at low income levels and 5-10k at higher levels. It’s your own fault if your making 90k and dating a woman making 30k in a dead end job. If you want a stay at home wife fine, but that’s a risk your taking. Don’t put yourself in that situation.

[–]Ravore 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol there’s literally no problem with having a stay at home wife??? Having your spouse raise the kids instead of an institution or baby sitter should be the goal. Your foundation is off.

The way you’re wording things is like you’re saying doctors should only date doctors. Because at a certain point money wise only certain professions make that amount. Dating down should be encouraged but the penalty for it shouldn’t be as high as it is. The spouse should have to be solely relying on you financially which should only happen if you got married and/or had kids. If the two don’t have kids together then there’s no reason for the healthy spouse to not be able to make their own money after a separation.

[+][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If dating down was encouraged to both sexes sure, but how Men dating down only benefits women. If we’re following OPs logic that women don’t date down then we are just fucking ourselves.

As for having a stay at home spouse sure it would be ideal, but that comes with a risk should the relationship end. You can’t expect to not pay for your uneducated, not very employable, spent 15 years of their life at home mother of your children if the relationship falls apart. They sacrificed their career to stay home. So if your a DR dating down and marry some 22 year old you met that was working at Starbucks…. You made your bed. Make better decisions. A Marriage is a financial partnership, you wouldn’t be 50/50 business partners with somebody that has nothing to bring to the table other than looks and a youth right? It’s moronic. If you want the 1950s lifestyle there should be support, and it should work both ways as we move into a world where women are making money. Nothing is going to stop that progress so we may as well adapt and push for equality under the law, men deserve the same benefits as women. And fathers are just as important as mothers.

[–]WillCuckSmith 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

That’s the problem. Men need to stop dating down and have some standards.

Not going to change anytime soon, so.

[+][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

No it’s not, but that’s where the majority of our problems stem.

[–]wiserTyou 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So... Basic human nature. We knew that already.

[+][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s socialization not human nature. What’s desirable changes over time. We can definitely teach future generations to be adapted to the modern society. We’re just going to give up and allow ourselves to get wrecked by the courts and young gold diggers? Good Strategy Cotten, we’ll see if it pays of for you.

[–]wiserTyou 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Socialization is part of human nature but does not trump biology. Unless you think the world was created 4000 years ago evolution is the driving influence and it doesn't change as fast as society. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but Locke was wrong.

[–]WillCuckSmith -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't see how. The problem is in the laws.

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep Women with lesser status should never be considered for anything that one night stands. This should include friendships as well.

[–]Frosty-Gate-8094 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If men stop dating down. They will die single.

Which is fine for me. But are more men willing to live the bachelor life?

[+][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The way we evaluate women is out of date. Young and hot? Ok she’s a 9. It’s dumb. Women are evaluating men on looks, personality, career, wealth, your car, your house, your dog, your cologne, your shoes, your clothes, your height, your wrist thickness, your musculature, etc etc etc. not every man can be The Rock. But the attention we give all these third rate chicks on social media absolutely has their heads blown up so far it’s ridiculous. Every dating profile pick should have a mandatory no makeup photo with everything about them that’s fake removed, if they’re going to need proof that your 6’2” your going to need proof that she’s 115. We don’t hold them accountable. Because if you try to the next slob with no self respect will slide in take whatever he can get. There’s no standards. That’s just with every day joes then you got scrubs out here like Nick Cannon working his way up to 10 different baby mama’s and he’s talentless, literally the male equivalent of a socialite. Women would rather line up to get fucked my Nick Cannon with no offer of a ring than to date across. We need to flip the script. This isn’t the 1800s anymore. Guys shouldn’t be out there dumpster diving looking for partners to be dependent on them. I’m telling you it’s so much better when she’s paying for all her shit and your doing your own thing and your just splitting whatever you’ve agreed upon. I’m not down with buying clothes, nails, hair appointments and that shit, get your own fucking money.

[–]thatusenameistaken 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Men need to stop dating down and have some standards

That's not a valid argument when women aren't interested in men that don't make at least 56% more than them.

[+][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There’s only so many men to go around and if the men at the top didn’t date down then they wouldn’t have a whole lot of options right? There’s a massive amount of women who would rather share one great man than have to settle for a scrub. Men dating down allows that dichotomy. The men at the bottom who ain’t getting shit, well they are dangers to society. The dude making 90k dating married to the woman that’s making 80k well they live in the nice neighborhood with the Dr, sure they have to use two incomes to do it but they are better off to the guy making 90k married to a chick whose making 30k. Why settle for being someone’s meal ticket? I pay for me and my shit she pays for her and her shit and we do fun stuff together there’s no feel bad like your being used. The whole point of the 2 worker household should be to get ahead.

[–]NJ_Mets_Fan -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

i get what youre saying but this would never and should never stand up in law. You can survey about women working, dating, etc. The only thing quantifiable is average salary, but thats actively being adjusted to ensure its based on actual effort and ability not solely gender.

Not all women date up, not all men date down. The whole point is to eliminate shit like that. Loads of guys here would love to be a house husband or have a wife that makes way more and yes that does exist and yes its happening more and more and that is fine.

[–]WillCuckSmith 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Not all women date up, not all men date down.

They are not the rule. They are the exception.

The whole point is to eliminate shit like that.

Not going to happen anytime soon, so we shouldn't include that in any discussion.

[+]NJ_Mets_Fan -14 points-13 points-12 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Mens rights does not equal suppressing women. Feminism does not mean overcompensating women to make up for the patriarchy.

[–]WillCuckSmith 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Mens rights does not equal suppressing women.

Not sure why you said that. Doesn't apply to anything I've said.

Feminism does not mean overcompensating women to make up for the patriarchy.

Well, first off there is no 'patriarchy'. But yes, there has been quite a bit of overcompensation unfortunately.

[–]tenchineuro 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Feminism does not mean overcompensating women to make up for the patriarchy.

It always has.

[–]NJ_Mets_Fan -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

look man if you hate women that much just fuck dudes and it really wont be an issue for you lol

[–]tenchineuro 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You can't read.

[+]pumpkinpeopleunite -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Because most of the time in life women make less money, have less of a career, work less, etc. You don't have to put a sex on it. That's how it's worked out.

Surely you can see that this is happening less and less in modern times, lots of women now are making as much or more money than men, have careers similar to men's careers, work as much as men etc. That's pretty much all thanks to feminism by the way, that allowed women to do that.

So, gender neutral laws make perfect sense. I mean, do you think that men should be favoured in a law like this based on what used to be the case under the patriarchy, but is no longer the case?

Also, men date down. Women do not.

Lol ok

[–]WillCuckSmith 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

lots of women now are making as much or more money than men

Well, childless women between 22-30 tend to make more than men, sure, as Google showed us in their investigation.

However, women tend to choose less rewarding careers and men date down. That's just how it goes lately.

lots of women now are making as much or more money than men, have careers similar to men's careers, work as much as men etc. That's pretty much all thanks to feminism by the way, that allowed women to do that.

Well, feminism has overcorrected and caused women to make more than men in some areas, yes. I wouldn't give feminism any credit for many positive things lately if I were you.

So, gender neutral laws make perfect sense.

Sure, but since men tend to date down, said laws help women more than men, is the argument.

[–]tenchineuro 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Surely you can see that this is happening less and less in modern times, lots of women now are making as much or more money than men, have careers similar to men's careers, work as much as men etc.

Consider the results of this...

  • https://archive.ph/KfteZ
  • Lack of ‘economically-attractive’ men to blame for decline in marriage rates, study suggests
  • The study, published in the Journal of Marriage and Family, analysed data collected on recent marriages between 2007-2012 and 2013-2017, which were gathered as part of the American Community Survey’s cumulative five-year marriage statistics.
  • “Most women hope to marry but current shortages of marriageable men – men with a stable job and a good income – make this increasingly difficult, especially in the current gig economy of unstable low-paying service jobs,” explains Dr Daniel Lichter, lead author of the study.
  • “Marriage is still based on love, but it also is fundamentally an economic transaction. Many young men today have little to bring to the marriage bargain, especially as young women’s educational levels on average now exceed their male suitors.”
  • In 2018, official figures showed that marriages between men and women in England and Wales had fallen to a record low.

[+]pumpkinpeopleunite -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What point are you trying to make with this?

Marriage is less popular than before? Ok

Women don't want to marry guys who can't even hold down a decent job? I mean, why should they? I'm surprised that any man wants to marry a woman who can't hold down a decent job either

Many young men today have little to bring to the marriage bargain, especially as young women’s educational levels on average now exceed their male suitors

Ok?

Where's the connection to this post?

[–]tenchineuro 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What point are you trying to make with this?

If you plan to destroy the nuclear family, as feminism does, then giving women all the good jobs will accomplish this as women almost never marry down. Hypergamy will kill marriage in this situation.

[+]pumpkinpeopleunite -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ok. I still don't see the connection to this post.

[–]tenchineuro 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok. I still don't see the connection to this post.

I did not respond to the post, I responded to your comment.

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Usually, its on expense of men, tho. And even those women usually dont date down, just look even more higher up the ladder.

Men often take on woman's job in the company, because she is absent yet again. Or just a shit employee, that you can remove because babies.

[–]weirdornxtlvl 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you see this and believe it's not targeting men specifically (who pays 97% of alimony), then you are just lost.

[–]Big_Chocolate_420 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

the problem is women will most likely feel entitled for the stuff of their former partner

I can't see it as much in gay relationships. Neither from well established males. Psychotic deadbeats will also use the law.

[–]weirdornxtlvl 101 points102 points103 points 4 years ago* (71 children) | Copy Link

Oh, so less men are getting married, which means a huge source of money transfer is lost, so now even if you are in a relationship of 3 years you could lose half your assets/property.

This is what it takes to be in a "A relationship of interdependence":

  • share one another's lives
  • are emotionally committed to one another
  • function as an economic and domestic unit

[–]tenchineuro 52 points53 points54 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

And things like this are why MGTOW is growing.

And no, I'm not MGTOW, I'm married with children (with apologies to Paul Simon, you can caallll meeeee Al :-). I just understand why MGTOW is a thing.

[–]wolfpac85 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

well there you go. you now know exactly how long this relationship is going to last, and not a day longer.

[–]oflbtbs 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Don't share money there IMO. That'd be the easiest way to avoid that and it makes evidence.

[–]WhereProgressIsMade 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like at least some guys are breaking up a week before the 3 year anniversary of meeting too.

[–]ignatztempotypo 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck that .. One year and adios.

[–]OldEgalitarianMRA 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Even in traditional marriage and divorce the longer your married these worse the deal is for the higher earner. I was married twice and was aware when things started going south at 4 years I was better off ending it then than dragging it out for a few more unhappy years.

[–]Icy-Start5536 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Emotionally lol. What if she sucks off another dude each Friday? I wonder what the judges' mental gymnastics will be in order to justify it

[+]pumpkinpeopleunite -109 points-108 points-107 points 4 years ago (63 children) | Copy Link

Oh, so less men are getting married, which means a huge source of money transfer is lost, so now even if you are in a relationship of 3 years you could lose half your assets/property.

But, the woman in that scenario could also lose half of her assets/property. Why are you, and others here, acting like this is unfair to men specifically?

[–]weirdornxtlvl 99 points100 points101 points 4 years ago (34 children) | Copy Link

Because women never date someone who is financially lower, but men do it all the time.

[+]BeautifulTomatillo -56 points-55 points-54 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

“Never” isn’t accurate. In about 30-40% of couples now the woman earns more

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/03/03/gender-wage-gap-more-women-out-earning-husbands/4933666002/#:~:text=About%20half%20of%20women%20say,to%20the%20Pew%20Research%20Center.

[–]BigpapiiJ 59 points60 points61 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So I guess more evidence the wage gap is non-existent 💁🏽‍♀️

[–]weirdornxtlvl 67 points68 points69 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Earns more doesn't mean their partner isn't employed.

Also, If the numbers are accurate, then why only 2% of alimony receivers are men? In 98% of divorces, women win alimony.

[+]BeautifulTomatillo -46 points-45 points-44 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I think it’s measuring all couples not just married couples. Also that alimony number maybe out of date.

[–]weirdornxtlvl 47 points48 points49 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

"According to the 2010 census, of the 400,000 people receiving post-divorce maintenance, 12,000 (or 3%) were men"

https://www.divorcelawyersformen.com/alimony-biased-against-men/

[+]BeautifulTomatillo -47 points-46 points-45 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So that number is 12 years out of date and not reflective of modern society

[–]Supreme_Snitch69 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah if there was a 1000% change in 12 years it would still only be 20%

[–]Accomplished_Shoe_31 30 points31 points32 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s the most recent we have, because surprise, alimony statistics aren’t tracked.

[–]InformalCriticism 23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're trying to have an argument with the "new normal" which is hiring quotas, favoritism toward women in academia, and other forms of anti-merit affirmative action all across the west. Women are still practicing hypergamy, and are socially and culturally distressed by how many fewer men are now "eligible" in their eyes.

As for alimony, those numbers are never going to change in a meaningful way.

[+][deleted] -26 points-25 points-24 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Your information is dated.

[+]pumpkinpeopleunite -53 points-52 points-51 points 4 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

Maybe they do, maybe they don't, but isn't that their choice? A bit like how the pay gap makes sense because women just "choose" lower paying jobs and less hours. So, more men lose assets etc on divorce/breakup because they "choose" to date someone who is financially lower. Can't really be ok with one and not the other

[–]weirdornxtlvl 45 points46 points47 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The man did not choose to lose money, he chose to date someone. They are not the same.
Not to mention, I'm against this entire "alimony" stuff, because I believe adults are responsible to make a living on their own.

[–]LELO_TV 31 points32 points33 points 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

Have you ever heard about "hypergamy"?

[+]pumpkinpeopleunite -27 points-26 points-25 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

I don't know how someone could be on this sub and not heard about "hypergamy". But I don't see the relevance to this conversation

[–]LELO_TV 25 points26 points27 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

Women date wealth as much as men date beauty.

What gender do you think is mostly going to benefit from this bill?

Also if this bill affects people outside of marriage, it's just bullshit. No one should be entitled of something without a contract.

Just because i want to date someone doesn't mean I want to risk half my assets, by this logic everyone should become a gold digger or just breakup after less than 3 years.

[+]pumpkinpeopleunite -6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Women date wealth as much as men date beauty.

Do they really though? I mean, in patriarchal times, yes of course, since many women had no means of earning a good income while raising children, but wouldn't you agree that that's happening less and less now?

What gender do you think is mostly going to benefit from this bill?

Well, again, since these days more and more women work and earn their own income and build up their own assets, I would imagine we'll get to a point where both genders will benefit equally from this bill. Do you not agree? Or, like, would you prefer to go back to a time when men had all the money and assets (and therefore more power). But, remember, if we go back there, then more men will be paying for women, not less.

Just because i want to date someone doesn't mean I want to risk half my assets, by this logic everyone should become a gold digger or just breakup after less than 3 years.

I mean, become a gold digger if you like, I won't though. You're free to break up with someone you're going out with at any time for any reason

[–]LELO_TV 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Funny how you don't see how hypergamy has something to do with this, yet it sounds like the answer to your questions

No matter the gender, nobody should be entitled of someone else's assets and income without a contract. Dating is not a contract, marriage is.

[+]pumpkinpeopleunite 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Funny how you don't see how hypergamy has something to do with this, yet it sounds like the answer to your questions

I genuinely, really really want you to explain to me how, as I don't see it.

nobody should be entitled of someone else's assets and income without a contract

I actually don't disagree with you on this at all, was there something I said that made you think I disagree with this? I myself am not married and would be wary of tying myself to someone like that unless I was very very sure they were trustworthy to be decent in the event of a break up

[–]BeautifulTomatillo 23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Moving in with someone shouldn’t mean forfeiting half of your assets and property. This is a major government overstep into your personal life and violated civil liberties

[–]tenchineuro 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So, more men lose assets etc on divorce/breakup because they "choose" to date someone who is financially lower.

It's a woman's choice who they date and marry and hypergamy is a thing.

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Any support of a woman after marriage must totally cease to exist, in any form. She is an adult, she can work. If she cannot, not our problem anymore. Ahe is no longer a partner, she is just another miss nobody.

[–]Viesegel 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

they "choose" to date someone who is financially lower

You mean: the women choose to date someone who is financially higher. It's the women who have options.

[–]WillCuckSmith 30 points31 points32 points 4 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

Because men tend to work more and have more than women.

[+]pumpkinpeopleunite -19 points-18 points-17 points 4 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

Not so much these days

[–]WillCuckSmith 24 points25 points26 points 4 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

Yes, it's still a very real thing.. very much so.

Plus, men date down.

[+]pumpkinpeopleunite -18 points-17 points-16 points 4 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

Well then we need more feminism to counteract that 🤷‍♀️

Because it's really not ok that this is still going on

[–]WillCuckSmith 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

Hah, I'm pretty sure LESS feminism is better!

Because it's really not ok that this is still going on

It's just fine. We just need to fix the laws so that men aren't punished for dating whoever.

[+]pumpkinpeopleunite -7 points-6 points-5 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

It's just fine

Hmm, sounds like you're saying it's fine for men to be the higher earners, you don't think equality is necessary? Ok, you're a tradcon. But, at the same time you don't want men to have to share the money with their partner who earns less money because she mostly stays home to birth and raise children? So really, you're just an asshole who wants to have his cake and eat it? Wow

[–]WillCuckSmith 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Hmm, sounds like you're saying it's fine for men to be the higher earners

Why wouldn't it be? They are the ones who work more and get higher-paying jobs.

you don't think equality is necessary?

Depends on how you define equality. If you're talking about equal opportunity, yes. If you're talking about equal outcomes, no.

Ok, you're a tradcon.

No idea what that is.

But, at the same time you don't want men to have to share the money with their partner who earns less money because she mostly stays home to birth and raise children?

Staying home with the kids is a choice. Working at home is a good position to have - it's healthy for the children. Something to get her started if a break-up happens is ok, but nothing excessive. Most divorces are caused by the female. She can work when she moves out.

Right now, too much money is given to women after a divorce...and for way too long. There should just be enough for them to get on their feet and move on.

So really, you're just an asshole who wants to have his cake and eat it? Wow

Wow, personal attack. Aren't you the asshole now.

[–]mindset_grindset 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

i see your point but if we're equal then it's nobody's responsibility to take care of anyone else besides their children

fuck alimony, it's an archaic concept from a time women could barely work. now that it's illegal to discriminate your hiring on the basis of sex and women can work= alimony should have been canceled the exact same day , but it didn't bc people are greedy.

I'm all for child support but it needs better legislation to ensure that the money can ONLY be spent on the child and that it's got a cap on it in every state

[+]pumpkinpeopleunite -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

This whole comment is so disgusting. You are clearly sexist and not a bit ashamed of it. People like you don't make for good advocates for men's rights, as you're not able to see how things actually are, nor how they could be in an equal world

[–]TheSnesLord 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

you don't think equality is necessary?

Neither you nor feminists want equality though.

[–]No-Satisfaction-2320 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well then we need more feminism to counteract that 🤷‍♀️

Oh hell no 🤣

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

More like, women should be better employees, so they are worth more, actually.

No, being on a conatant leave is not being a good employee.

[–]InformalCriticism 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's not how female attraction works, and to suggest there is no difference in mate selection at that level would be a non-starter.

[–]tenchineuro 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

But, the woman in that scenario could also lose half of her assets/property.

Source?

[+]pumpkinpeopleunite -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Lmao. Are you looking for a source that women in 2022 also have money and assets? Or are you looking for a source that this law is gender neutral? Did you read the article? Do you have evidence (or even an inkling) that it's not gender neutral?

[–]tenchineuro 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's no link to the bill in the article.

And it's a bit dated...

  • Posted: Nov 21, 2018 3:21 PM MT
  • If passed, the law would come into effect on Jan. 1, 2020.

So where did you get the information that the law is gender neutral?

I missed this the first time...

  • The law was made redundant by the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

So apparently the wording of Bill 28 is irrelevant.

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So? Our problem is that MEN can be at a loss, which should never ever happen, no matter what. What ia ours, must be controlled solely by us. Money, assets, societal status, everything.

[–]basicslovakguy 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

I haven't read an actual law, but this caught my attention:

Adult interdependent partners are defined as people who live together for at least three years, or who live and have a child together, if they have cohabited for less than three years.
Two people can enter into an adult interdependent agreement. The relationship can be conjugal or platonic.

 

Can somebody explain to me, how exactly this can be proved, or rather, what will be the basis for decision ? Am I supposed to show all communication with a woman to show that we weren't really in relationship ?

Seems to me as if the law was deliberately written to not give any chance for a clear-cut decision making.

 

Edit: Now that I think, this is even worse than it looks like. Suppose that I cohabitate with a woman with which I never explicitly discussed any relationship - think college/dorm type of cohabitation - what happens then ? She can claim that we were in "platonic" relationship, which is basically impossible to disprove, and then I am hooked on splitting stuff because of this.

[–]pappo4ever 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The relationship can be conjugal or platonic.

So you don't even have to be dating, just being friends is enough? dauuym..

[–]MastermindX 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's the highest level of cuckery imaginable.

[–]Intelligent-Term 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes it’s fucked up. Government overreach again. It’s what Canada has become. Sad.

[–]YourPillsAintWorkin 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Let them keep engineering their own lonely despair.

[–]WeEatBabies 43 points44 points45 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

2 years in Nova-Scotia!

Forced marriage is considered a form of slavery by the U.N., but is ok when feminist do it!

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And god forbid she becomes pregnant during those 2-3 years, you are now married, and this is your kid, even if you got a vasectomy, you are legally the parent.

Forcing people into parenthood is ok when feminist do it.

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In Canada feminist work 20% less than men!!! https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/71-222-x/2008001/c-g/desc/desc-h1-eng.htm

In other words, these laws allow for feminist to redirect a full 20% of the GDP from men's pockets to women's bank account!

20% of the GDP in stolen wages and houses!!!!

[–]chakan2 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

IMHO... The really fucked up thing in that bill is it applies to platonic relationships... So if you have a female roommate for 3 years, you're potentially fucked.

[–]ignatztempotypo 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That certainly occurred to me. Someone's going to put that to the test in court soon after that law gets passed. It will of course get past, because vagina. If it's a guy who takes it to court to get half the belongings or worth of a girlfriend, it won't be long till that law is repealed.

[+]pumpkinpeopleunite -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or a male roommate

[–]Oncefa2 110 points111 points112 points 4 years ago* (29 children) | Copy Link

For anyone who wants to complain about "traditional gender norms", "patriarchal values", or "institutional discrimination", that's literally what this is.

If you are against "the patriarchy" or "gender norms", then you ought to be against things like this.

This is the root cause of many gender related issues in society, including but not limited to the wage gap, and taking women less seriously in professional environments.

Because men are institutionally and systematically forced to hand over their money to women, they work more, work harder, and therefore earn more money (as well as the respect of their professional colleagues).

Stuff like this also causes a housework gap and a childwork gap since the man is so busy earning money to have enough to give to his wife or girlfriend.

Gender equality won't just help men, but will also help women. Remember that next time you think something like this isn't important.

[–]WeEatBabies 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sir or Mam, this is a matriarchy, always has been!

[–]NeoNotNeo[S] 102 points103 points104 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

There is no wage gap. It’s been illegal to pay a person different at the same job because of gender since the 60s. It’s an earnings gap because statically as group the majority of women avoid higher paying but dangerous jobs. It’s been posted here multiple times.

[–]AirSailer 35 points36 points37 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Earnings gap is correct... But that terminology does not fit the narrative.

[–]MGTOW_and_Bitcoin 27 points28 points29 points 4 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

Meanwhile let's just go ahead and continue to ignore all the other Financial gaps like: the child support Gap alimony Gap, paying for entertainment Gap, paying the bills Gap, welfare Gap and the spending Gap ( I mean who really cares if the men earned more, if most of the women are out there spending it all)

[–]p3ngwin 27 points28 points29 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

...tax-gap, retirement-age gap, medical expenses gap.....

[–]MGTOW_and_Bitcoin 23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Bingo!!!!

Car insurance Gap, child tax credit Gap.

[–]TextDependent6779 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

if we move off financial gaps?

empathy gap. suicide gap. homelessness gap.

the list goes on and on practically forever.

[–]MGTOW_and_Bitcoin 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Probably the more shocking issue is that women absolutely have no institutional discrimination meanwhile men have an incredible amount of institutional discrimination.

Everything that feminists Babble about can be fixed by assuming women should have a strong sense of agency personal responsibility and just a modicum of prudence throughout their day.

There's not one Pursuit that feminist have approached they even approximates equality.

One real issue is that of sexual harassment however this too is a sexist agenda because women feel free to harass men for what they want out of men which is practical harassment ( manipulating coaxing and even getting the courts the force men to provide protect and provision)

[–]p3ngwin 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Probably the more shocking issue is that women absolutely have no institutional discrimination meanwhile men have an incredible amount of institutional discrimination.

Yep, just look at the sheer number of dedicated grants, programs, and funds, etc specifically ONLY for women.

https://www.grantsforwomen.org/

[–]MGTOW_and_Bitcoin 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I know you see those are privileges and the flip side of a privilege like this is an institutional discrimination against men.

[–]NeoNotNeo[S] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Workplace injury and death gap

[–]todoke 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But women do not want equal partners. They go for older, taller, better educated, wealthier, smarter men. On tinder women reject 95% of men. Only 5 out of a 100 men get match and thus even the chance to say "hi" to a woman.

[+]thinkAboutItAgain9 -40 points-39 points-38 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

Because men are institutionally and systematically forced to hand over their money to women

The law is gender neutral though. It's not forcing men to do anything different than women.

[–]NeoNotNeo[S] 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Go to work. Pay your bills.

[–]Temporary_Spend_3111 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Is that why women get half the time for the same crime?

Gender neutral yet that continues to persist.

[–]JSutt771 35 points36 points37 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Try telling any man who's been through a divorce that the law is gender neutral.

[+]pumpkinpeopleunite -10 points-9 points-8 points 4 years ago* (11 children) | Copy Link

You misunderstand. This is a brand new law, which IS gender neutral.

Edit: who's downvoting me for stating a fact? Pathetic

[–]Oncefa2 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Many drug laws are "racially neutral" but in practice target POC.

Look up Jim Crow.

We shouldn't have to explain why laws like this disproportionally affect men.

You're being dishonest if you refuse to understand that.

[+]pumpkinpeopleunite -12 points-11 points-10 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Oh I understand it alright! Many laws are "gender neutral" but in practice discriminate against women. I mean, feminists have been saying this for years.

You're the one being dishonest if you don't realise that men and women being equal will benefit men in a situation like this (although men lose privileges in other areas, are you prepared to accept that?)

[–]wiserTyou 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly curious which laws you're referring to.

[–]Oncefa2 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Let's start with you admitting that this is institutionalised discrimination against men, and that anyone who downplays that is part of the problem.

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They affect women because eomen are just shitty in many ways. If they would only man up a bit, and do their part fully, then things would be better for them, really.

[–]Storm_cloud 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Many laws are "gender neutral" but in practice discriminate against women. I mean, feminists have been saying this for years.

LOL bullshit. Name the laws that discriminate against women.

[–]Storm_cloud 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You disappeared without naming any of these laws that discriminate against women.

Because you were just lying. Why do you come here to lie?

[–]wiserTyou 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You misunderstand how statistics work. Laws regarding minor drug offenses disproportionately affect minorities even though race is not mentioned.

[–]No-Satisfaction-2320 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a brand new law, which IS gender neutral.

The courts enforcing them aren't though.

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It is? Cute. Now its time for restitution, with proper interest, of anything men ever lost to women, in history. Then we might talk. Every penny must be accounted for.

[–]MGTOW_and_Bitcoin 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You can make plenty of laws that are not biased overtly racist or sexist but you can most certainly design them in a way that it does function to create sexism and racism.... ask any black person in America.

Showing up to a domestic violence situation does not necessarily mean that the most threatening person is going to be the guy it's just more highly likely that the guy is bigger than the woman.

[–]ChaosOpen 43 points44 points45 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So essentially, if a woman rents a room in a man's house for three years, when she leaves she is entitled to half of the house?

[–]ignatztempotypo 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There go all the nanny/au pair jobs 🤣🤣🤣

[–]Drougen 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's actually pretty crazy. Imagine being entitled to someone's stuff just for existing.

[–]DirtyPartyMan 34 points35 points36 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Aaaaand what’s he entitled to?

When people are, by law, entitled to someone else’s earnings they abuse them. Disrespect the work and the person behind the money.

Look at our government. Money is, by law, entitled. Do they spend it for the people?

Not when every senator gets $40,000 -- and potentially more -- for furniture in their home-state offices.

For many that’s a year’s salary

[–]tiredfromlife2019 24 points25 points26 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Nothing. And if he dares to complain, he is loser and Incel

[–]GnomeChompy 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Kinda bullshit but one positive that I gleaned from the story.

Bill 28 also repeals an antiquated law from 1922 called the Married Women's Act, which gave women the right the ability to own, acquire and sell property, enter into contracts, deal with their own debts, and enforce their civil or property rights without their husband's knowledge or consent.

Canada may be gynocentric in practice, but at least they replaced clearly sexist laws with ones that are more neutral.

[–]thinkAboutItAgain9 40 points41 points42 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Splitting assets 50/50 is unfair to men because men make so much more money than women. Women having no money is an unfair burden on men.

[–]bottleblank 34 points35 points36 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

It's also very outdated as a concept, too.

I can understand, for example, that 200 years ago when women didn't tend to work nearly as much, you could argue that her support structure in life after being married off was her partner. He would be responsible for funding her upkeep, so if he turns out to be bad and somehow they split, she's not left penniless and destitute. Sounds logical so far, right?

But we don't live in the 1800s any more. Women are out there getting very good educations, they're out there getting great jobs, or if they're not then they certainly have the opportunities and help to do that. So they can support themselves - they've campaigned heavily during the previous century to make that happen - and therefore should not generally deserve that substantial legal windfall through divorce or separation.

(Accuracy note: It's not true, of course, that women never worked, as there were occupations such as working in textile mills. But I don't know what the pay was like compared to, say, a miner or a chimney sweep, which would be more masculine jobs.)

[–]thinkAboutItAgain9 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

But now that men and women are both working, wouldn't it make MORE sense to divide things equally since both men and women contributed to the assets?

[–]bottleblank 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

If you believe that there should be any division of assets at all, sure, I guess. I realise that if you've entered into a marriage and intertwined your finances and bought a house together or whatever, it might be difficult. But I think the fair way would be to each maintain a personal bank account as well as/instead of a joint one, to maintain and track your own income, to sell the house upon the dissolution of the relationship and split the proceeds according to each partner's contribution to the costs, etc.

(Edit: Thinking a little more, you could have a joint bank account through which all substantial home and relationship-related purchases and bills are paid, and you would have the historical records of each partner paying in to be able to easily establish the % contributions of each, thereby allowing a fair split when the house or car or other high value shared assets are sold.)

I'm just thinking out loud here, I haven't put a ton of thought into how that would all work, it may have substantial flaws. But my general point is that I don't understand, especially in the modern day, why either partner should be given some amount of the other's personal worth or assets.

[–]Temporary_Spend_3111 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not before marriage. Its fucken ridiculous its a massive overstep in govt.

[–]tenchineuro 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

wouldn't it make MORE sense to divide things equally since both men and women contributed to the assets?

Why the need to divide anything, why not you leave with everything you came in with, and only joint property gets divided?

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No. Men must reatin EVERYTHING they worked for, ever. Women uaually spend, or force spendong od WAY more money, than they worked for. And more often than not, that spending is a waste.

[–]Ownyourfreedom 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly, it's bullshit. Alimony should be abolished and you should only be entitled to what you paid into the relationship not automatically half of everything. They always say you can get a job to men when they complain, women can get a job too. There's no excuse. A partners income is a benefit of the relationship, not an entitlement after it's over.

[–]FastidiousFalcon 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

…and people wonder why we have record low marriage and birth rates?! 🤔

[–]Cartographer9 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Of DATING???? Not even marriage? Holy fucking shit.

Rules like this would make sense if women were not allowed to work. But they fucking are.

[–]pappo4ever 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Rules like this would make sense if women were not allowed to work. But they fucking are.

No, it would never make sense. A woman could date 4 men in 12 years and at the end she would have half of every men's assets and houses, meaning she would have stolen a minimum of 2 houses and half earnings of all men, without working a single day.

[+]pumpkinpeopleunite -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

A man could also date 4 women in 12 years and at the end he would have half of every woman's assets and houses, meaning he would have stolen a minimum of 2 houses and half earnings of all women, without working a single day.

[–]ignatztempotypo 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Let's hope some Chad does this. Watch how fast they repeal that law...

[–]pappo4ever 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah sure like if that would ever happen.

[–]Primary-Permit257 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

Ya Canada sucks. No freedom there.

[–]byteuser 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bill C10 just entered the chat

[–]Careless_Emu_2761 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m free

[+]GnomeChompy1 points 4 years ago* [recovered] (16 children) | Copy Link

Get real. My country gave its citizens the right to harrass entire cities for literal weeks in the name of MuH FReEZe PeAcH. We allowed our flags to be burned, an act which I find abhorrant, but still am glad is a legal right to hold. In most countries, the goverment would beat your ass for doing that. But not Canada.

[–]matrixislife 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If you're talking about the Truckers revolt, didn't Trudeau and the rest of the Canadian government come up with a whole host of ways to harrass/oppress them, including but not limited to making sure they can't receive water or fuel, and theatening their ability to find work in the future?

They didn't give anyone "the right", they were doing their best to remove rights.

[+]Careless_Emu_2761 -9 points-8 points-7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You know what Trudeau should have done. Trudeau should have met all the Truckers’ demands even though the majority of Canadians were against the Truckers’ demands. A small group should make the decisions for our country. In fact, the hundreds of millions of dollars lost daily due to the blockages should be covered by Trudeau’s personal bank account.

[–]MonsterGuyAryan 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

Mfw dumb Americans

If you're trying to say that Americans are dumb, just remember that Canada also falls under NORTH AMERICA. Which means you're also an American.

[–]Careless_Emu_2761 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Why did you say “SOUTH AMERICA”? Clarify.

[–]MonsterGuyAryan 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Because my last 2 brain cells were dead typing that.

[–]Careless_Emu_2761 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Lol. Anyway, Canadians are North American, not American. American refers to people from the United States.

[–]MonsterGuyAryan 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I kinda disagree with this cuz Americans should refer to people from America be it south, be it north or be it the United States. Well I'm not American so idk.

[–]Careless_Emu_2761 -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I’m Canadian. If someone were to call me an American, I, like many Canadians, would be insulted.

[–]MonsterGuyAryan 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah man you're right. Well I meant technically, but originally you would be called a Canadian. So idk what just happened here lol.

[–]Careless_Emu_2761 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol

[–]Primary-Permit257 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

All those rights is present in the US too. But guess what fundamental right you don't have? Free speech. And also you have government funded affirmative action

[–]Careless_Emu_2761 -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Canada has freedom of speech

[+]GnomeChompy1 points 4 years ago* [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Actually flag burning isnt a protected right in the so called Land of the Free.

[–]FruitierGnome 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And who determines what is hate speech. Anyone who is offended?

[–]Temporary_Spend_3111 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In the united states i can burn my own american flag its been protected by free speech for awhile Maybe i misinterpreted your comment are you talking about canada?

[–]Primary-Permit257 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol there is no "hate speech" laws here.

[–]pappo4ever 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How do they define the start of dating?

Can you just stop dating for a week every two years and 'makeup' and then you don't have to pay? dating is not strictly defined like marriage, so this law is stupid.

[–]ignatztempotypo 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy Fucking fuck! "or platonic"

I can't wait for the first case of a roommate suing for half of everything comes 'round.

This is outrageous.

Women will just keep pushing the limits until they are prevented. Buckle up boys, it ain't getting any better for a good while.

[–]rodrigogirao 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd burn down the house before letting it be stolen.

[–]mikekh9 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Iran has the law of Mehria that looting the present and future property of a man is done even after his death by a woman.

[–]Crassard 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In Canada a girl can take everything you own and then some soon as she walks through the door, apparently.

I remember just moving in with a girl and everywhere I went they're like "Yea, you're common law lol" like woah, okay.

[–]ChadWolf98 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Damn dating apps should have warnign labels like cigarettes have. "Warning: after 3 years of dating your relationship counts as common law marriage"

[–]perogy1 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The juice is not worth the squeeze.

[–]AndyBrown65 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's no issue if the assts accumulated through joint effort are divided 50/50. The issue is that the assets before the partnership are considered.

Imagine you're a man with a $10M business, two $600K homes, car etc. You hook up with some "Amber Heard" who you shag senselessly for 3 years, she isn't working, but you kindly decide to pay off her $100K of debts for her. She has no assets going in.

Suddenly, on the 3 year anniversary the card gets pulled. Your business is now worth $12M and she has an extensive Louis Voutton hand bag collection etc. Your home is now worth $800K and your investment property $750K. You've bought her a black Porsche Cayenne for her 40th birthday.

Despite contributing nothing, she can now claim (at least) half of those assets, so essentially walks away with about $6-7M. Not a bad return.... In the meantime, he takes out a $6M loan to cover her payout.

If you ask anyone with a sense of justice, having her debts paid off is probably good compensation and that's where it should end. Any compensation should be limited to the assets during the relationship.

This BS happened to a distant cousin of mine who was the custodian of my GG grandparents farm that had been in the family for 150 years. He meets Sonia*, a nurse with nothing. After a relationship, she wants half the farm, which was worth millions. He has to take out a loan which almost bankrupts him. He is now working as a farmhand for another farmer and the family farm is now sharefarmed by another distant cousin. The family farm that has been in the family since 1861 is still in the family, but the revenue from the farm essentially covers the interest on the loan he took out. How is that fair? (I would love to see how feminists justify that)

[–]InteractionSlow4360 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m Canadian! I’ve lived here my whole life! Today this is one of the WORST countries of the civilized/democratic countries to live in. Our PM is out to take over full control of the population. Don’t come here as so many of us want to leave….the western provinces want to separate from the rest of the country, Quebec wants to leave, this country is falling apart….stay away!!!!!!

[–]avgguy33 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Canada sucks

[–]Careless_Emu_2761 -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I’m glad people think Canada sucks. That way less of you come over here and drive the prices up. Thank goodness.

[–]ignatztempotypo 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Too late. Your west coast prices are worse than Cali

[–]Careless_Emu_2761 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

True that. It just keeps getting worse and worse

[–]Careless_Emu_2761 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Fortunately, we bought before things went crazy. That was pure luck

[–]ignatztempotypo 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bravo.

[–]Skinwalker686 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I believe it varies by province; also, don't you have to legally declare yourselves common law? You're not just magically common-law once you've been together for a set amount of time right?

[–]wiserTyou 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I've got some bad news for you...

[–]Skinwalker686 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You can actually just be common-law without declaring it jointly?

[–]wiserTyou 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's literally what common law is.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not in the USA. to be common law married requires that you present yourself as a married couple.

[–]ignatztempotypo 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sit down... And get out your checkbook

[–]NeoNotNeo[S] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can someone explain why it appears like I am downvoting my own post. Is been happening for days. Am I hacked

[–]Ferbuggity 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Divide and conquer tactics again... I think the worst thing you can do to these bishes is choose a sane woman (or man, hey) and have a happy fulfilled life. And vote them into the ground at election time.

[–]ignatztempotypo 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Um... You don't think each and every one of these cases started out as romantic and wonderful? Think again.

Just remember that when you next end up having the feels for someone. When they're done with you, or you're done with them, they'll turn on you like a demon from hell.

[–]Ferbuggity 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I didn't say 'romantic and wonderful'. I said 'sane'.

As in, making careful, considered choices. Taking time to suss out their character. How they treat their friends and family, how responsible they are.

There's no guarantee in any relationship, but you can stack the deck in your favour by not choosing to partner up with unstable, shallow, personality disordered, vain, compulsive idiots. Or acting like one, hey we all take some responsibility where its due.

[–]ignatztempotypo 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely agree. It's really tough these days with IG, FB, Snapchat etc etc. Young women are sold a lie that they can have it all...now. Priorities are fucked, any semblance of personal accountability is out the window, monogamy? Yah right.

I have been dealt with poorly by my last couple of mates, and it was ME that was in it to go the distance.

It'll all turn around eventually but in the meantime, it's a shit show. Best 'o luck brother

[–]Ferbuggity 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's sister, m8. Just sharing advice I've wished many of my male friends had taken over the years.

[–]ignatztempotypo 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sister it is!

[+]cjgager 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

just do what the state of new jersey has done since 1939 - - - common law "marriage" and/or hook up ain't recognized

[–]thedeadllama 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You have to live together for 3 years not just date, but yea

[+]pumpkinpeopleunite -15 points-14 points-13 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Look on the bright side. You are entitled to half HER house and assets after only three years of dating!

[–]trying_reddit_for_ 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The law may be gender neutral but as I have gathered from reading on this and other (pro) men sub , it is usually applied in discriminatory manner against men! So I think there is little to no bright side to this!

[–]thatGUY2220 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I know a guy in Manhattan collecting 7500/ mo in alimony from his ex wife. She’s a partner in a big law firm.

Very rare situation.

[–]thnxMrHofmann 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Is that assuming you don't have an LLC? Haha

[–]jesusofseks 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think in Australia it is 6 months of an official relationship. Official means, do people view you as a couple, so even if she has been a hookup for 12 months and her friends see you as a couple there can be a claim.

[–]Timely-Sheepherder-1 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ducking insanity

[–]IllustriousPiano7300 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Simple solution. Date a woman wealthier than you.

[–]eyesayhello 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Now it can even be "platonic." So, no longer term roommates. You gotta be joking.

[–]ThorpeRave 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like a Canada problem to me

[–]drakenpage222 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And America right now.

[–]MastermindX 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Every man in Canada after 2 years and 355 days of dating: "Honey, we need to talk..."

[–]swaiuk 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't believe these laws are gendered, are they? It goes both ways equally.

[–]mgtowolf 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is why I change buttlers and live in maids every other year. There are a few of us that switch off, it's great.

[–]aigars2 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wtf

[–]analytically 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Similar in Scotland

[–]ExpensiveBumblebee83 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wtf only 3 years of dating fuck that hahahah may as well be single lol

[–]69johnnysins 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

1) Marriage is IPO for women
2) Divorce is cashing out.
3) Children produces passive income for women enforced by the government

[–]Sewblon 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Adult interdependent partners are defined as people who live together
for at least three years, or who live and have a child together, if they
have cohabited for less than three years. 

Its not enough to date for 3 years. You need to live together for 3 years or have a kid. Giving someone half your stuff for 3 years of dating would just be silly.

[–]barrathefknworld 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In Australia, it’s one year of cohabitation.

[+]Sad_Flounder_5303 -17 points-16 points-15 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

No wonder you guys are alone. Money isn’t everything in life. A good partner is worth infinitely more.

I earn more than twice my husband’s salary but we equally share whatever we bring home. I acknowledge that his love and support played a large part in my successes, and I am happy to give him more than half of our assets if he should ever decide to leave me.

[–]No-Satisfaction-2320 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

and I am happy to give him more than half of our assets if he should ever decide to leave me.

Actions speak louder than words, especially in divorce.

No wonder you guys are alone. Money isn’t everything in life. A good partner is worth infinitely more.

Money isn't everything, but how tf am I supposed to pay the bills without it lmao.

[–]ThorpeRave 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Shes loose from FDS lads!

I thought you lot would be supportive of strong and independent? So not only are you taking shots at us, you're taking shots at your sisters as well?

And as an added bonus, you're against choices???? The choice of wanting to treasure all that you have worked for and not wanting to share it with someone you only see to have fun with?

Well, we (and your husband) already know the only choices you care about are the choices you make.

[+]Sad_Flounder_5303 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok.

[–]mikesteane -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No wonder you are enormously overweight. (I'm just assuming that and writing it as a fact.)

[+]Sad_Flounder_5303 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sure you can assume anything you want. You can try to do whatever mental gymnastics you need to feel better, but the fact is that plenty of men and women have healthy, loving relationships despite having significantly different incomes.

It is also a fact that the majority of men here are pathetic incels with unhealthy views on women.

Hope you enjoy your miserable life.

[–]mikesteane 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It is also a fact that the majority of men here are pathetic incels with unhealthy views on women.

No, it isn't.

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