The Right answer about Free Speech

TheStumblingWolf · 2019-03-22T13:20:54+00:00

I fundamentally agree with this sentiment, but I've yet to decide if there should be a limit. What about direct calls to action for example? Like people saying "go into the streets and kill all the brown people you see" for example?

St0rm3rX · 2019-03-22T13:20:34+00:00

I agree with this. However I don’t see the connection to men’s rights.

SwiggityStag · 2019-03-22T12:17:06+00:00

People can say what they want, and I can treat them like a dickhead if they are one. It works.

fessus_intellectiva · 2019-03-22T13:41:22+00:00

I don’t know…as an engineer I think the part about physics that I don’t wanna support is friction, especially air resistance.

mobittomob · 2019-03-22T14:19:15+00:00

here in singapore we have a rather fragile and easily shattered society: its quite easy to offend someone if you say the wrong thing as we have lots of races and religions here. its something we pride ourselves on but also serves as an obstacle in the path towards true freedom of speech. certain limits on free speech has to be put in place to avoid things like our 1964 racial riots. free speech should never be used as a cover for hate speech yet there is a common misconception that it exists as such a cover. it does not, it should never be. you never know what could evolve from a single statement of hate speech.

tgiles · 2019-03-22T13:35:33+00:00

karma farmer. Isn't adding to the conversation and posting non sequiturs just for internet points.

DenseMahatma · 2019-03-22T13:23:14+00:00

Why is this on men's rights?

MegaManZer0 · 2019-03-22T13:49:31+00:00

I support free speech, but I do not support assholes.

turbulance4 · 2019-03-22T12:47:57+00:00

I think this concept generally gets too simplified. Even the free speech crowd doesn't support all hate speech. For example, direct calls for violence are hate speech and technically illegal in the US.

The problem is not wanting to end hate speech. The problem is that hate speech is a nebulous concept, and that those trying to "end hate speech" are also those trying redefine the term.

Memes like these don't really do the free speech crowd any favors, imho.

luciox2011 · 2019-03-22T13:37:52+00:00

Is it relevant for this sub?

vicsj · 2019-03-22T13:42:47+00:00

There's still a difference between speaking your mind and your opinion, and saying shit just for the purpose of hurting someone.

I understand what this comic is trying to say, but it is a misconception by feminists that speaking about men's rights is hate speech. You're not trying to hurt anyone by demanding to be treated fairly.

LordHansTopo · 2019-03-22T13:09:25+00:00

There is a limit in freedom, and thats when it tries to destroy another person freedom. Speech aint a way of destroying freedom, hate actions like violence, rape, shootings, etc; destroy freedom

joshawoo71 · 2019-03-22T13:23:16+00:00

Repost

snarky- · 2019-03-22T13:35:11+00:00

Well... I guess that's one way to persuade me that I don't support free speech?

Also as people have said, why is it on a men's rights sub?

Kanakamao · 2019-03-22T23:07:35+00:00

I won't say certain things out of decency, but I do agree. There shouldn't be legislation on speech unless that speech promotes violence.

TheDirtFarmer · 2019-03-22T23:31:08+00:00

People need to understand the difference between call to action and free speech.

CreeperCooper · 2019-03-23T05:41:17+00:00

Freedom isn't free and freedom has limits.

Freedom is great, I love freedom. But freedoms have to be limited to make sure one freedom doesn't destroy another. It's impossible to have every freedom next to each other, existing at the same time: freedoms will collide. And when freedoms collide, we as a society have to make a choice which freedom we think is of higher value.

We cannot forget that speech causes other things to happen. Speech affects people.

Should I be able to stand in the middle of the street, and yell: "Kill all green people!"? Yes? Should I be able to write a book about how I want to murder all green people, put them into a camp and systematically murder them? Should I be able to publish a book where I claim that green people are inferior, people shouldn't treat them like humans? Yes? Should I be able to brainwash entire groups of people that green people have to die?

Some people start reading my book, people start acting aggressive to green people they meet on the street. Before you know it, speech caused violence. Speech caused all kinds of crimes on green people. Speech caused murder and maybe even war, genocide.

Inciting hatred, discrimination, hostility or violence IS hate speech. You, as a person, should be FREE of discrimination. You should be FREE of violence, of hostility.

This image is dumb. It doesn't try to start an actual debate, it doesn't try to understand what the 'other side' might think. The only thing it does is trying to make 'the opposite party' look dumb by using a strawman. OP is free to do that, but I'm free to say that it's a pathetic attempt at a propaganda piece.

Maybe after my post you still think freedom of speech is worth the cons, which is totally fine. Keep that opinion, you're free to have it. But atleast now you know that there IS a valid opinion on why freedom of speech shouldn't be unlimited. It's impossible to ignore the ramification that speech (in my example, but not limited to, hate speech) affects us all and that it can damage other freedoms. Freedoms which some of us might think are more important.

hey_ma_im_on_reddit · 2019-03-22T13:51:03+00:00

"Why aren't I allowed to tell fire in a crowded movie theater :'(" -The person who made this

xuan135 · 2019-03-22T14:32:41+00:00

Every country has restrictions on its free speech. Honestly if anyone here supports 100% free speech please tell me why. Included in most countries' restrictions are laws against the posting of child pornography, libel etc. Sone countries also have laws against public statements of hate speech. Sweden's law does not affect private conversations or debates, but public statements such as posting publicly online.

animuscuriae · 2019-03-22T13:05:01+00:00

"I'm not a feminist because I believe in equality" - this has been deemed hate speech

Mugin · 2019-03-22T13:31:33+00:00

"I support free speech as long as its opinions I agree with"

Dio_Landa · 2019-03-22T15:17:58+00:00

Wow, and I thought I made bad analogies.

LtChicken · 2019-03-22T16:41:49+00:00

Comparing incitement to violence to speech and then using that to say "technically you dont have free speech already, might as well give up the rest of your rights!" Is the strawman.

It's easy to attack when you fail to be nuanced about ANYTHING.

Edit: also, your source stating the UK has more freedom than the US in terms of speech is hilariously biased, people are receiving calls from the police over there for critisizing trans people. Not even the fact that they're trans, but trans people's actions and beliefs.

toufikofcourse · 2019-03-22T13:56:08+00:00

Offensive remarks are part of the free speech.

ShelSilverstain · 2019-03-22T14:12:19+00:00

Free speech is freedom from consequences from the government, not everyone else

NomadFH · 2019-03-22T14:01:03+00:00

What does this have to do with men's rights?

C4H8N8O8 · 2019-03-22T13:42:45+00:00

why can't I say nigger?

Op.

xuan135 · 2019-03-22T14:26:53+00:00

Hate speech and libel is illegal in Sweden, just saying

TiredBanker2 · 2019-03-22T22:13:06+00:00

Saying words has real consequences. People have the freedom to disagree or judge you for what have to say. If you are cool with that, by all means - say what you want to say.

HovisTMM · 2019-03-23T00:07:27+00:00

This.

Always disappointed to see people here wishing for some academic which says "men are trash" fired. They are allowed that opinion, so long as they treat their make students fairly.

cfcsvanberg · 2019-03-23T01:21:44+00:00

Another response that might bring it closer to home for some of these people (but still won't make them understand why they are wrong): "I support equal rights, just not women's rights."

TracyMorganFreeman · 2019-03-23T02:49:25+00:00

The only kind of speech that needs protecting is speech to which you object.

hasta_al_dente · 2019-03-22T14:19:29+00:00

Congratulations, you successfully lost me. Don't try to intersect your alt-right bullshit with rights for men. You're fucking this up for everyone. The last thing we need is you bigoted fucks trying to join the men's right movement to your right to be a racist.

We're fighting for equality in here. Help or get the fuck out.

Shawn411 · 2019-03-22T15:11:18+00:00

I disagree. We should not support hate speech. We should not support blatant racism or sexism, or bigotry at all. We should be against true hate speech, not fake hate speech that an sjw might talk about.

Kyriios188 · 2019-03-22T13:35:21+00:00

Firstly, this has nothing to do here.

Secondly, i do think hate speech should be outlawed

a-Bird-on-a-Wing · 2019-03-22T14:15:27+00:00

Instead of dealing with the root of the problem, the government attacks our fundamental freedoms of speech. Media, video, words, picture are all forms of speech and communications.

When the government blocks citizens speech and imprisons people then the bad people have won.

Words, images or ideas can not hurt you or society.

People need to think for themselves. We can not censor out ideas, movies, video games, etc

We can not trust the government to tell us what is appropriate to view or not. That is for us adults to decided for our selves. That is our human right.

Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

(a) freedom of conscience and religion;

(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;

(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and

(d) freedom of association.

elebrin · 2019-03-22T14:29:30+00:00

Well I want for speech to be free, but I do not condone or support the speech of many people. I also don't feel like I have to instantly make a statement disavowing someone who says something mildly objectionable who might be a part of a group I also belong to. The whole notion of renouncing people is sort of... Soviet.

WhellEndowed · 2019-03-22T14:09:58+00:00

Bad analogy..

Physics is applied science.

Gravity is still technically pseudo science, as it relies on relativity in order to be validated. This makes it pseudo science by definition because relativity is still a theory that has yet to be validated.

For example, density is a physical property of any mass. The density of that mass is what determines if it sinks or rises, depending on the medium in question (air, water, etc.). This is validated and tested in a repeatable manner without failure. The same cannot be said about experiments to measure G or g, such as the Cavendish experiment, which not only fails to prove that objects attract other objects based on their mass alone, but also has never been successfully replicated by anyone in modern science.

Disclaimer: I do agree with the premise of the post though... You can't accept free speech and condemn hate speech at the same time.

EDIT: Downvotes for thinking critically... makes sense.

Thesauruswrex · 2019-03-22T14:37:49+00:00

This alt-right propaganda is leaking in here. Fuck right the fuck off, nazi shitheads.

Stop coming in here and pretending your alt-right bullshit is part of men's rights. It isn't. You can fuck right off about "feminists think that men's rights are hate speech". Fuck feminists and their bullshit claims.

All this bullshit does is make sure that nazis are screaming hate crap in the streets and feminists are screaming their hate bullshit everywhere else.

Title	The Right answer about Free Speech
Author	swiet
Upvotes	1126
Comments	245
Date	March 22, 2019 11:45 AM UTC (7 years ago)
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