What does MGTOW mean?

patxiku93 · 2022-06-26T11:41:00+00:00

The idea of MGTOW is to stop prioritising making a family and working on soul crushing jobs to provide for it in favor of working the bare minimum to provide for yourself and your hobbies. Basically is a "fuck you, I'm not playing by your rules" to a society that sees men as disposable income and to the dating market that overwhelmingly favors women.

That being said, there're some MGTOW that can't shup up about how evil women are, and that's taken and amplified by everyone against us.

shit-zen-giggles · 2022-06-26T11:52:17+00:00

Google and wikipedia are notoriously bad sources on this topic.

barbarossaaaa is one of the first mgtow content producers and generally well regarded among those who deal with the mgtow philosophy. Take a look and see for yourself (esp the older vids).

He regularly had other related youtubers on, so you can work your way through the network from there.

A swedish researcher also made a rather neutral and objective study for which he interviewed several guys practising mgtow. Just to add an 'outsider perspective'.

Mediumpace539 · 2022-06-26T11:40:59+00:00

It's a man refusing to use his resources on women. That may be time, energy, or money. Instead he uses those resources on things he enjoys. The only people who think that is toxic and misogynistic are the ones that want to take that man's resources.

stunspot · 2022-06-26T14:47:18+00:00

The important thing is that no, it's not misogynistic. Misogynists hate women. Many MGTOW think that they aren't worth pursuing. Most say this isn't because of their inherent womanly nature, but because of the current culture. That is, it's a decision predicated upon actual behvioer, not some sexist ideal and that behavior can and will change over time. Right now? The juice ain't worth the squeeze.

This utterly infuriates feminists. Men are NOT supposed to be the ones doing the rejecting. Further, the mere existence of MGTOW is evidence that women can do wrong. That is totally and completely counter to the prevailing narrative of "the future is female" and girlboss etc. etc.

Call a woman out on bad behavior and you're villified. Call out the bad behavior of women as a class, and you will be banned, as happened to MGTOW.

Lanky-Bank-320 · 2022-06-26T12:05:02+00:00

It’s not toxic or hating women it’s pretty much men not catering to some women or their jobs and focusing on themselves and their hobbies

mistralol · 2022-06-26T11:51:38+00:00

No its not true.. But its kinda framed that way. But its kinda more like guility by association.

Theres a coupld of definaitons of MGTOW and then a lot of peole claiming it but are not inear it. Its not reallty a movement.. its more like a logically philosophical reaction to the world.

First. One is that its realy linked to female behaviour and problems regarding releatonships and this is known more as the "red pill". This is resonably new and has hijacked the original deifnaiton.

Second (the original). One which is linked purly as a response to the legal conditions to things like marriage, child support, custdy battles etc.. eg its a logcal reponse when you read the terms and conditions and choose not to enter the game. This definaiton has been kicked about since at least the 90's.

eg if you own a house. Would you go to vegas and bet it all on "red". Well thats what marriage law looks like. It would be irresponsible... to do that. Ok.. so don't marry. Oh comon law marriage exists. So don't marry, don't live with. Oh? They extend it now just to releationships. Ok. Don't marry, Don't live with and don't have releationships which enter common law marriage laws. etc.. etc..

Third. MGTOW has existed in almost all cultures since docutmented history has started but used to be known under various different names. Samll groups of men have alsoways thoughout history seek isolation / freedom in this way from family life etc..

The thing about actual peopl who are MGTOW is well you often don't really see or hear much from them because well they have pissed off and actually generally do their own thing and mostly ignore the rest of the world and only enage it when it suits them.

There is however a whole pile of people who claim they are MGOTW but are most like just identify with this because its the closet thing they have. eg it attracks pile of incels and people who generally hate women but are actually dispised by people who are actually mgtow for doing this. Theres a problem with this because "online communities" typically attack these people and then they decend into echo chambers of hate.

SoMGTOW as a "title is broke" and its no longer being called "Mgotw" by people who are "mgot" since they all left quite some time ago. hence why in history it has a pile of different names... often changing every 2-3 generations.

Kwen_Oellogg · 2022-06-26T14:05:23+00:00

It means first and most be true to yourself. Don't make a women the center of your existence.

BeepBeepYeah7789 · 2022-06-26T16:44:35+00:00

The idea of MGTOW is not inherently toxic or misogynistic.

The thing though is that some men who identify themselves as MGTOW also have toxic and misogynistic tendencies. And they end up making the most noise, tarnishing the philosophy as a whole.

In fact, most men who live what would be considered a MGTOW lifestyle don't self-identify that way. They just live their lives as they see fit, and one of the natural consequences of that is they don't really worry about entanglements with women or the possible fallout from that.

Izalias · 2022-06-26T12:38:40+00:00

A lot of resentment has been harboured towards men.

The feminist class system exists within a matriarchically society and stratifies men according to their sexual market value.

InCels being treated as one of the lower classes, slightly higher than folks who have sex with young women. Because as anybody who knows anything about feminist gender theory, "Unindoctrinated women don't know their value" and men taking advantage of that fact are just the lowest of the low... HEAVEN FORBID SOMEBODY FINDS A MAN NATRUALLY ATTRACTIVE!?

You know, much like how a "worker" doesn't know their value until they familiarise themselves with Marx's work, heaven forbid the worker may... ENJOY THEIR JOB!?

Incel is a portmanteau of Involuntary Celibate. It describes a man who is desperate for intimacy with women. Although, often times this is by the Incels choice, because they try to get with a lass who is waaay out of their league.

Any incel can stop being one by just picking up a prostitute, which is why Feminists have a bit of a love hate relationship with sex-work. One the one hand they want to empower sex-workers, but on the other hand, sex work that gives a guy active sex and completely undermines a woman's value within the man's mind... well that's a problem.

Basically any sex-work that empowers a woman is great, but the kind that might help society at large at the cost of feminism, not so much.

You see, men are slaves to children, they have to work to support and raise them, and most laws have been enacted to not only ensure that is the case, but there are some really dark laws out there that enforce paternity fraud as well as family courts that are notorious for rinsing men for money without access to their children, which is literally enslavement.

This is because men are disposable, and you should be really happy about that fact, because a mans disposability creates his value!

Women have inherent worth, as long as they are fertile, once they get to a certain point... their value declines to damn near 0 within the sexual market place and the pride they got whilst they were at the top, well, if they haven't secured a man... it rockets into the ground.

A man on the other hand can put the work in to not only increase his physique, but also his material wealth and status within the community. Women do not want men to realise this fact and will often peddle the ABOLSUTE BULLSHITTERY that is: "Just be yourself!" Although if you put on your Tinder profile: "Homeowner!" You will get 10 times more likes than a renter.

The real problem starts to arise when Women wanted to divorce men... because they got what they wanted, they CAN upgrade... but so can men... and a mans upgrade is merely a younger woman, plenty of those, and if you get yourself into a position of high value... they are easy to obtain.

Women hate this fact and cry that it is the patriarchy trying to undermine marriage, when most marriages are terminated by the female spouse, through targeted ads.

Remember, Divorce was pushed by feminists as a class... and it is starting to affect them as a class because... well, in the war of the sexes, I guess feminists forgot who they normally send into war... hint... it isn't other women, it's men, remember what I said about disposability. A mans disposability makes him capable of increasing his value... and when he gets with a woman, his value then skyrockets... this is why people cite the "wedding ring phenomena" google it.

Now you can see this as misogynistic if you like, but hey, the reality of the situation is that... it isn't misogynistic, it's misanthropic, and that just happens to include women in the class of EVERYBODY.

As for myself, I have been in a number of relationships, usually with women a lot younger than myself, and the second they get a taste of feminism, it is usually over... so my opinion of feminism is, it's pretty trash and it makes women into trash. All of the best partners I have known all have a similar mindset for their partners... they hate feminism, love men, and are pick-me's for their partners... and it makes the man happy. So their relationship really lasts... in fact, most of my partners have been like that, until some feminist got into their head and told them they can do better...

We have a word for that: Hypergamy, and it robs women of perfectly adequate partners.

So who are MGTOW?

MGTOW, basically say... FUCK THAT, FUCK YOU, I AM NOT A PART OF YOUR FUCKING CLASS SYSTEM, FUCK OFF.

Men aren't a part of a feminist class system, especially not an MRA, so it terrifies them, and they can only do one thing with a guy like that, try to rubbish him in their language. Can't call him a pedo without a lawsuit, so go for the next best thing.

INCEL...

MGTOW are not affected by that phrase, and that scares feminists, because they cannot fit a MGTOW neatly into their class structure, because MGTOW want no part of it. It's what the redpillers call a "Sigma Grindset", but in reality it is just, "My Money My Choice".

rainbow_bro_bot · 2022-06-26T12:22:41+00:00

That's what feminists want everyone to believe. I think it's obvious the articles written about it on Wikipedia etc are written by feminists and not anyone from MGTOW.

I saw some of MGTOW on Reddit before it was banned. I didn't see anything I would describe as hate or anything like that, it was mostly stories by men who had been screwed over by divorce courts or false accusations, and memes about the benefits of being single. In other words, it's basically about men who (for various reasons) want to stay single. It's certainly not any worse than FDS (which is way more toxic and hate-filled).

This doesn't mean MGTOW want to avoid women completely (a misconception), they may still have women as friends and have casual sex and even casual relationships. They are avoiding serious relationships and (especially) marriage.

IMO feminists see this as a big threat to feminism since they talk about things like marriage, the divorce courts are and being falsely accused from a male perspective. So their solution is to brand the entire movement as "hate" and to shut it down.

Marriage is wonderful, false accusations of rape/abuse never happen and the divorce courts are 100% fair. That's what feminists want you to believe and anyone who has a different opinion is "misogynist".

no_user_ID_found · 2022-06-26T14:00:23+00:00

A true mgtow wouldn’t call himself mgtow, problably hasn’t even heard the term. He wouldn’t give a shit about anything and lives his life far away from society’s obligations as possible.

PeonSupreme · 2022-06-26T13:40:51+00:00

I see MGTOW adherents as a subset of those people who no longer believe society works for them. I feel that I belong to that larger overall group, but I can’t be MGTOW because I’m married.

Society is supposed to offer protection to its individual members. I find more and more that it offers me nothing but coercion, so I am taking steps to live apart from it to the greatest extent possible.

This outlook would certainly seem to apply to MGTOW adherents. Relationships revolving around work or live seem to have gotten about as coercive as they can get. I think a lot of people are looking for alternative paths to lives of meaning and fulfillment.

Intelligent-Term · 2022-06-26T11:41:47+00:00

Like most things that deal with men’s rights, it’s a few very bad apples that tend to color the rest of the movement/faction. I have seen true hatred of women in some men and in my mind we shouldn’t tolerate that. To me, MGTOW is like going the way of a Buddhist monk. You simply give up women and make yourself happy without them. Some wouldn’t go that far. But feminists and woke people are watching all men’s groups like hawks and labeling them all as hate groups if they hear any one member spew actual hatred towards women. Which by the way, I’m sure we’ve all seen true hatred of men spewed by feminists and woke liberals but they never get canceled or banned.

maxlvb · 2022-06-26T13:30:42+00:00

It's not a 'movement'. It's a way of life.

There's only one person you need to persuade when choosing to be a MGTOW, and that's yourself. Any opinions from other people on how you choose to live your life are irrelevant..

I've found that all those that hate on MGTOW are simply projecting their own hate for men onto men. That's all.

MGTOW is the end stage of red pill knowledge. We understand female nature, and come to the ultimate conclusion that they aren't worth the effort, or the pain.

Good things start happening in men's lives when they realise that women and their approval aren't that important.

DirtyPartyMan · 2022-06-26T17:09:56+00:00

In Many circles a Man wishing equality and fair treatment is considered a red flag.

MGTOW means something different to each Man who falls under that Banner.

If I were forced to outline I would say it signifies a Man’s willingness to avoid doing what Society Assumes & Expects him to do.

(Think Nuclear Family)

For Myself:

“*I will no longer fill the role set for me by society. I will choose, for myself, how I define being a Man.

• I will utterly ignore negative judgements, assumptions or labels placed on decisions I make for Me.

• I will take full responsibility for My Conduct regardless of my past.

• Every day is an opportunity for development and growth.

• “I am not a victim unless I make myself one”.

• “I am the Commander of my Emotions. Not their foot soldier.”

• “I am not responsible for others. My White Knight Days are behind me. I help those who help me. I assist those who assist me. I value those who value me.”

• “Authentic Self-Expression, to avoid injuring others non-consensually, is a priority.”

• “Physical health for my Benefit Alone.”

• “Self-Sustainability and Financial Independence is the order of the day.”

In my opinion MGTOW doesn’t support a Government that enacts laws contrary to my unalienable rights nor those of my fellow citizens.

Preservation of Life Quality, Liberty & the Pursuit of Happiness.

SkullAngel001 · 2022-06-26T13:55:52+00:00

but I searched it on Google, it was shown as a toxic and misogynistic movement

Of course, because the definition is often misunderstood and misinterpreted.

But to keep it simple, MGTOW means acknowledging the world as it is and carefully navigating around it. For example, MGTOW advocates that getting married is statistically not a good idea for men. If you look at the statistics such as the high divorce rate, which gender initiates divorce often, and how the family courts heavily favor women by default (in addition to alimony & child support), MGTOW advocates that men should focus on themselves instead (building wealth, traveling, meeting people, physical fitness, etc.). MGTOW isn't saying that men should not date or marry women, it's saying men should be mindful of the potential consequences. It also doesn't teach men to hate women but at the same time, it teaches men to not put up with toxic behavior.

Beneficial-You-3669 · 2022-06-26T17:00:38+00:00

Men opting for their own happiness and fulfillment over chasing a woman who will statistically divorce him and take most of his stuff and control access to the kids. It's them saying I'm not playing the game any more I'm going to do me and everyone else can whistle.

ConsiderationOdd2929 · 2022-06-26T17:36:16+00:00

"Thanks, but no thanks" is not a toxic notion.

Women just REALLY hate it when they find someone their "magic pussy wand" doesn't work on. That is why MGTOW gets negative press.

Ferbuggity · 2022-06-26T13:43:49+00:00

Just wanted to say thanks to all posters so far for giving such clear and honest explanations of MGTOW, all really informative. MGTOW is presented in so many places as a very negative thing. I understand it much better now, cheers.

Aimless-Nomad · 2022-06-26T16:40:43+00:00

Any thing that doesn't shower praise at women is misogynist lol.

DifficultContext · 2022-06-26T16:35:07+00:00

Men Going Their Own Way

DavidByron2 · 2022-06-26T19:19:24+00:00

it was shown as a toxic and misogynistic movement

All male dominated movements are presented as toxic and misogynistic because of the sexual apartheid of our society promoting feminist hate.

Am I wrong? Name a male dominated group that isn't demonized. The only exceptions I can think of (in part) are minority groups of men and women where sometimes the men are considered separately and feminism is leaching these groups' legitimacy by co-opting their issues. But feminists often attack black and gay men too these days. It's also getting harder to think of groups of bad people that aren't characterized as being "male" on account of their being bad. In our society men are identified with evil by the feminist hate movement which is endorsed and promoted by the US imperialist government (and many other government's around the world within the empire).

You might be old enough to remember that feminists explicitly attacked these groups in a series of scandals called "Xxx-gate".

Atheists: elevatorgate

Computer Programmers : donglegate

Game Players: gamergate

Skeptics: I don't think it got a specific name but they went after James Randi.

For a long time before that male-only private groups such as golf courses were targeted by hate simply for being male-only. At the same time of course, feminists promoted female only PUBLIC groups (which is illegal denial of public service under US federal law and in some other jurisdictions).

Going back before that the whole invention of "sexual harassment" law was intended to attack men and male groups at work.

Feminists hate men.

Therefore in our feminist dominated sexual apartheid state, men's groups must be demonized simply for being male.

DutchOnionKnight · 2022-06-26T20:23:24+00:00

As a MGTOW, that is just rubish. I don't hate women. I have many female friends. I love my mom and sisters, I can't go without them. Do I share their ideas, not every, do I have hatred for them, certainly not. Quite the opposite.

Google is just pushing a certain agenda promoted with the government. There are so many single mothers out there. Do you really think the government wants to pay for them? Ofcourse not, they want men to step up, and confirm over the worries of those single moms.

I have this video for you. I saw this a few months back, and it confirmed my believes.

BoogersAndSugar · 2022-06-26T16:30:51+00:00

On it's own, MGTOW just means "I've checked out of the dating game". Some quit because the dating game has become too toxic and risky. Others quit because all they ever had was rejection. As it's people who threw in the towel and quit, it's inevitable they're also gonna attract guys who have a grudge against women.

Relevant_Ad_1226 · 2022-06-26T18:01:09+00:00

No such thing as misogyny. Get: A) over it B) it through your thick fuckn skulls

NotBaron · 2022-06-26T20:05:09+00:00

It's not toxic and mysoginist imo, some men would rather live by their own needs and hobbies than expend their lives on a woman on a system that benefits them, it's not my take on life but I get where it comes from

Department-Pretend · 2022-06-26T20:18:14+00:00

It's not toxic, it's just men having enough of women's shit. If they don't want us then we'll just leave.

Huffers1010 · 2022-06-26T22:16:05+00:00

Like a lot of things (including r/mensrights) it's a movement with a grain of reason at its core, but which is often used by extremists as a platform for some stuff that is absolutely not OK.

The idea, roughly is that men being involved with women is not worth the risk. I don't personally think that's true in general, although it's probably more reasonable in situations like American colleges where the situation can involve unflinching bias and hostility toward young men by the institution itself in regard of any complaint made by any woman. If I were a young man attending an American university, I would stay as physically distant from women as possible, avoid speaking to them, contacting them, or interacting with them in any way whatsoever, and certainly never under any circumstances come into physical contact with them. Whether that's MGTOW or not is a matter of opinion, but it's a self-preservation reaction to a very real situation. No, I don't think that's actually good for anyone or for society, but there might be circumstances under which it would be reasonable behaviour.

So, if you're a young woman at an American university and the guys appear to be blanking you, that may be why.

Like a lot of people with what I hope is a genuine and moderate interest in the treatment of men in modern society, I despair at the behaviour of the extremists - and I'd say the same about the more hardline areas of feminism. None of it helps.

pnoecker · 2022-06-26T12:32:08+00:00

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RecoveringCoomer · 2022-06-26T15:02:18+00:00

No, that just shows the bias in Google's algorithms. Google has a leftist agenda. They misrepresent MGTOW as women-haters etc.

MGTOW simply focuses on men putting themselves first, and not marrying nor living together with a woman.

Anything else is your choice. There are PUA or whoremongring or sugar-daddying guys, as well as monks refraining from sex.

There are guys who want kids, who either hire surrogate mothers, or adopt kids to have a family.

There are minimalist guys who enjoy the simplicity and freedom of owning little "stuff". There are millionaires who enjoy a rich, lavish lifestyle.

Ultimately, MGTOW is not a monolithic movement. Every MGTOW guy leads his own life the way he best likes it.

IronJohnMRA · 2022-06-26T15:01:24+00:00

Is that true?

No.

kmikek · 2022-06-26T17:42:50+00:00

It's a bait and switch. The bait is; quit dating because dating has become absurd and invest in becoming a better person and find satisfaction in your own accomplishments. Basically be a proud hermit who is an expert craftsman in some skill, and get a mentor, a leader, a teacher someone to guide you to become a better person. The switch however is these gurus just bitch and moan and shine light on the short comings of women and beat the dead horse.

Being pro-men is not the same as being anti-women. And once you get the point that they're making, and once you hear them start to repeat themselves, then there's no reason to continue listening to them.

That being said, learning a skill and finding personal satisfaction in it is a very pro-masculine trait, but do it for yourself and not because of these guys.

trypod734 · 2022-06-26T17:48:02+00:00

Hell no. Feminists just make shit up to feel justified.

Warder766312 · 2022-06-26T18:00:24+00:00

I’d be considered MGTOW. I just don’t see the point in marriage or long term relationships. I don’t blame women and I only hate a few but that’s on a personal level not on a gender level.

People don’t understand it or it conflicts with their world view so it must be wrong or hateful.

SecondEldenLord · 2022-06-26T18:30:49+00:00

That is what feminists and mainstream media are telling you, but that is fake as fuck. The whole point of MGTOW is showing that dating modern women ain't worth it, so they try to push men in focusing on themselves, their careers, passion, etc. They are showing the disadvantages of dating, marriages, relationships and push men to the point of forgetting about being with women ever cause it is too risky and too disadvantegeous. This is more for average men, who do not even have options anyway but they are still willing to pay hundreds or thousands of dollars to dating coaches, dating apps, to women who will date them once and ditch him, etc. The dating scene and marriages vastly favour women, so why the hell should men play this rigged game anyway?

RedcloudGeorge · 2022-06-26T19:23:12+00:00

For me, it means getting over the mindset that you need to be in a relationship to have a full and fulfilling life. So much about our culture drills it into your head that you MUST be in a committed relationship to be complete, and it makes you feel like there's something wrong with you if you're ever single, or it makes you stay in a relationship that really isn't working because being single is some horrible nightmare scenario that means you've failed at life and that must be avoided at all costs.

Breaking free of that mentality is tough, but I've finally found that it's totally okay to live your own life doing your own thing and not spend any time or energy thinking you need to "find somebody." Being alone is always talked about like it's inherently negative, but I know now that it's fine and it works for me.

ZBBYLW · 2022-06-26T19:33:49+00:00

As a pilot we use this acronym regularly. Maximum Gross Take-Off Weight.

DLifts777 · 2022-06-26T19:53:36+00:00

The problem is, MGTOW is terrible for society and the economy. Men tend to be happy with less, it’s usually when they feel the pressure to provide for women and children when they start to work mad hours and do jobs they don’t wanna do. If more men start walking away from society’s game then less jobs get done, less money is spent, less children are had.

Ridethelightning1987 · 2022-06-26T20:08:44+00:00

Just like with anything there are extremists out there who do hate women but that’s not the point of the movement. The point was to work on yourself and get your money up and don’t even worry about women

VulcanSummers602 · 2022-06-26T20:37:46+00:00

As someone who calls himself former MGTOW, it's different for different people. For people like me it was a method to focus, stop watching porn, stop being a coomer, chasing women, and forced me to focus on myself. A lot of women get mad at seeing men out of shape, broke, unhappy, and living with their parents, yet they bash groups like MGTOW. For me, MGTOW was a chance to work and become the man they actually wanted. I DEFINITELY don't recommend it for everyone, but it worked for me.

Ogreblack · 2022-06-26T21:30:13+00:00

MGTOW is just like any other ideology, it has a specific purpose and meaning but there are a minority of assholes that use it to be hateful and another majority of assholes (feminists) who will use them as an example to demonize the whole movement.

FactsArentHate · 2022-06-26T17:19:14+00:00

Not true at all. Feminists simply hate them because their choices and attitudes make them immune to sexual manipulation.

These are men who, for whatever reason(s), consciously or not, as a group or not, have decided to not interact with women at various levels. You'll find some who won't interact with any XX chromosomal human at all, to those who just refuse to date, engage in romance, and have children. Also, everything in between. Like any group it has it's extremists, and it is those rare exceptions that are held up by feminists as the norm, whereas in reality, it is feminists who are all sexists.

Aran82 · 2022-06-26T15:56:13+00:00

There are varying levels of MGTOW some men will sleep with or casually date women they just won’t have a formal relationship with them.

brianthewizard1 · 2022-06-26T16:52:12+00:00

It’s just men doing what they want, but without a woman. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with it.

notsolegalanymore · 2022-06-26T15:49:51+00:00

Well it's been sort of hijacked by trolls and actual misogynists/incels, which makes it look terrible, but the actual principles behind it are pretty good. What you see online is often just a misrepresentation of MGTOW, created by bias people because of bad people.

rooiraaf · 2022-06-26T16:28:45+00:00

I think the movement itself is honest and genuine. Unfortunately, it attracts a lot of losers and angry men. It gets toxic quite fast - read the comment section on YT MGTOW videos. It's as if these men and feminists deserve each other - they are equally miserable.

aigars2 · 2022-06-26T16:31:21+00:00

Google WGTOW which means women going.... You'll pretty much get the answer. Men are not allowed to go their way...

Leading_Direction_84 · 2022-06-26T16:38:52+00:00

Compared to this sub, yes.

shifurc · 2022-06-26T17:56:57+00:00

It appears to be a movement, a reaction, a political statement, and yes some actual misogynists... Mostly former guys that are responding to overt and obvious misandry.

2022-06-26T18:57:40+00:00

You’re asking a very biased source. Most men’s rights’ activists use it as a platform to hate women, whether that’s through blaming them for issues created by men or just straight up hatred.

maryhartman000 · 2022-06-26T16:23:12+00:00

It’s true.

noNotReally5 · 2022-06-26T11:53:19+00:00

Mgtow is men distancing themselves from women and working on themselves. However it also attracted A LOT of men that are distancing themselves from women because they hate them so it often devolves into whining about women. That's why it's seen as miaogynists. In theory it's fine, but in practice it attracts too many jerks that just hate women.

beleidigtewurst · 2022-06-26T17:29:54+00:00

it was shown as a toxic and misogynistic movement

So is this subreddit, chuckle.

KiwiPoilu · 2022-06-26T16:48:23+00:00

Glorified incels, I liked the idea at first but when I discovered the sub I realised that most guys in the movement hate women and don’t really make an effort to hide it

No-You7911 · 2022-06-26T14:04:08+00:00

The problem with mgtow is that it has been taken over by radical extremists. It was started just as a movement to give a voice to men who just decided to walk away from the drama most women exhibit today.

It basically described men who just wanted to walk a separate path that the societal norms. They focus on self improvement.

This doesn't mean they hated women, they just chose to forego relationships.

Then you had the extremists jump on the bandwagon and started putting out messages of hate and violence toward women and that's where things went south.

sgt_oddball_17 · 2022-06-26T13:13:14+00:00

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ellocoenlafortaleza · 2022-06-26T17:29:30+00:00

No... and yes (after a fashion)

Most likely most men that go their own way do so quietly. They save, travel, and live their lives on their own.

Some may not identify with (or even be aware of) the MGTOW label

Karens in the office are 90-110% sure they are gay.

It may happen in the future that they change their mind/find someone they feel is worth changing their ways/lifestyle for.

The male equivalent of the woman focused on her career/not interested in a relationship because they don't see the upside.

If asked, they may explain. Or they may just say "yeah, not really looking right now" and leave it at that.

And then there are a bunch of guys who just won't shut up about why they are MGTOW and spewing all kinds misogynistic rethoric.

And they will be so deep in it, that they can never change their mind, so if they ever find someone they'll double down and become even more misogynistic.

And those are the guys that have the visibility, and that people associate with it. Because they are the loudest.

Kwen_Oellogg · 2022-06-26T17:42:49+00:00

I think Robert A. Glover summed it up best with his book No More Mr Nice Guy.

heckin__chonker · 2022-06-26T20:24:46+00:00

Isn’t it synonymous with the red pill movement?

Indumentum97 · 2022-06-26T20:47:39+00:00

No, it's not true.

Half-blind-bear · 2022-06-26T20:50:00+00:00

It's a good idea which was infected with some shitty people. People who wanted to take down the group focused on the worst elements and it was removed as a hate group. At its roots its just a bunch of men sharing advise to avoid bothering with women and the challenges they bring.

Fast-Mongoose-4989 · 2022-06-26T20:53:08+00:00

Men going there own way

pappo4ever · 2022-06-26T20:59:35+00:00

Is not a movement, it's an action. You just stop dating. It's not becoming a hermit, not even like the Hikikomori hermits in Japan. You participate in society, but you just don't date. You don't hate women, you don't go to meetings. You can even be a feminist, but you just don't date.

See, when a man is under the 80-90% of attractiveness (and most of us are, obviously) dating becomes an almost impossible task, hundreds and hundreds of rejections and break-ups. It was not like that in the past, now you have to be psychologically very strong to endure it. Some years of that makes you depressed, damaged and insecure.

Giving up on dating is a great way to healing and feeling better. It doesn't means you are close to a relationship in the future, you just stop looking for it. It might come, it might not, you just don't care. We men endure loneliness much better than women, we can handle decades of loneliness like if its nothing. That's MGTOW.

913Jango · 2022-06-26T21:14:24+00:00

What happened to the MGTOW subreddit. I miss it dearly.

Jaxedai · 2022-06-26T21:45:51+00:00

Anytime you want to walk away and someone tells you you’re toxic, you’re right

Normal-Yogurtcloset5 · 2022-06-26T21:58:22+00:00

No. That’s like saying the civil rights movement was anti-white because Blacks wanted to vote and an end to Jim Crow segregation. When oppressed people advocate for themselves the people who have been benefitting always act like they’re being shit upon.

Women have been benefiting from men’s labor and money forever. They say they want equality but they only want equality with elite males. They never ask for 50/50 gender equality in the sanitation or sewer departments. And, don’t even ask them to sign up for Selective Service even though they receive the same amount of federal school financial aid as men who have to. On top of that, they still expect men to adhere to traditional gender roles while they can do whatever they want.

So, men are going their own way and women are upset that men are exercising their choices to not deal with the hypocrisy. MGTOW isn’t “toxic and misogynistic” it’s common sense.

thedoeboy · 2022-06-26T22:42:01+00:00

I think the subreddit that once existed was a bit toxic. The philosophy and ideas behind it, however, made sense, especially in the modern world. I'm happily engaged to a woman who truly cares about me and my wellbeing, as I care about hers, and without MGTOW I don't know if that would have been possible. I was in a bad place in 2018/19, and GMOW and focusing on myself and my mental health saved my life, literally. It helped me be able to find a partner in life that isn't toxic, unlike many women I dated previously, and to really figure out what I want in life.

In summary, the philosophy behind MGTOW of going outside of what society wants men to do and instead focusing on yourself is great, necessary even, to allow you to figure out who you are and what you want to do. There were toxic people who used MGTOW as a way to vent their frustrations over women and society. 99% of the time those guys were recently dumped or cheated and those feelings fade.

Memes_The_Warbeast · 2022-06-26T22:42:48+00:00

The google search is incorrect due to bias.

MGTOW as defined by itself is "Men going their own way" Essentially rejecting what they belive to be a "raw deal" offered by the current society (See the current state of the dating market and the lasting effects of the #metoo movement for more details.)

HeatInternational783 · 2022-06-26T22:47:51+00:00

I know I’m late this thread but I would still like to chime in. MGTOW is ultimately a response to the culture/notions of the modern woman, which really became solid around the 1960’s and 70’s. This notion was that women are capable of way more in life don’t need to be stuck being nurturers of families. That they, just like a man, can “have it all” - this was a lie, from Men on Madison Avenue in New York City who ran cosmopolitan magazine. You can read all about this in the book “subverted: how I helped hijack the women’s movement with the sexual revolution” - if you ask modern women what qualities they want in a man, they can write you a 10,000 word essay quick, fast, and in a hurry...but dare to ask them what qualities they bring to a man and they can’t come up with 3 letters....somethings off...men aren’t stupid...MGTOW!🤷🏻‍♂️

Smooth_Influenze · 2022-06-26T23:17:20+00:00

I became an MGTOW without knowing that there is something called MGTOW...

It was just a logical step... with the governement supporting women with biased laws and judgements, as if they are helpless little angels, there is no good reason for me to get married.

Now when I decided to go MGTOW (without knowing that MGTOW existed), I needed data to convince my stance to my family, friends and myself. So researched on the topic more. With that research my convictions grew, became a red pill apparently, became a MGTOW apparently and became an anti-feminist (not women hater though).

So now after years of becoming MGTOW, after diving into research, after objectively listening to MRAs and Feminists, I dont want to marry, so I am a MGTOW and I blame the feminists, for the biasness of todays laws, who I think is toxic, which apparently according to feminist is how MGTOW is toxic. So yh, call me toxic if you like, my senses say its the way to lead my life.

MarsRisen · 2022-06-27T03:59:50+00:00

MGTOW. Men Going Their Own Way.

Title	What does MGTOW mean?
Author	Blueglubglubfish
Upvotes	152
Comments	165
Date	June 26, 2022 11:29 AM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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