Women-only STEM college programs under attack for male discrimination

PuddleOfMush · 2019-08-22T14:19:23+00:00

I approve the sentiment, hate the language. "Under attack" makes it sound like the backlash is wrongful or unreasonable. It's not.

This idea that "Because X had some hard times in the past, Y should feel it now too" is honestly disgusting. Same goes for people who think it's okay to be a dickhead to white people because slavery happened.

koopatroopa83 · 2019-08-22T17:12:37+00:00

If there are "female-only scholarships, awards, professional development workshops" to increase female participation in STEM fields, there should be male-only scholarships, awards, and professional development workshops to increase male participation in nursing and education.

Astromachine · 2019-08-22T17:41:59+00:00

Emily Martin of the National Women’s Law Center argued that such female-focused programs are allowed under Title IX as permissible affirmative action to overcome conditions that resulted in “limited participation” of one gender in a particular educational program.

Look, sure if there were any "Men's Only" programs and you wanted to counter with a "Women's Only" program this would make sense. But if the previous programs were welcoming to everyone then nothing is countered by having women only programs.

mgtow-zen · 2019-08-22T17:32:59+00:00

Anyone notice a pattern?

Feminists take over education, boys are drugged to keep them still and everything is focused on girls achievement. Text books are changed, even math becomes political with the wage gap theories presented as math problems.

Feminists enter the technology sector and we start to see new "codes of conduct" addressing alleged problems and elevating female participation and concerns above males.

Feminists take over marketing and conclude the best way to appeal to an audience is to shame them into buying your product.

Feminists take over psychology and now masculinity is toxic, the patriarchy is a real scientific thing they can base theories on, such as how males "don't accept their priviliged status".

If the pattern holds up, I would expect to see all kinds of scientific discoveries about the inferior and dangerous nature of males. Scientific papers urging the culling of this invasive species.

I would expect to see engineers come up with anti man spreading chairs and urinals that torture you.

Anyone who thinks feminism isn't a supremacy group should think carefully about what has already occurred. Before considering female STEM programs.

TheThankUMan66 · 2019-08-22T18:14:16+00:00

Awesome, they need to be destroyed.

Ryanaissance · 2019-08-22T19:33:21+00:00

As a white, male physics graduate school applicant who obsessively poured over admissions data when choosing programs to apply to, it was brutally clear that I was facing an uphill battle over a race and gender I had no control over.

melonangie · 2019-08-22T19:41:58+00:00

In general men are better at stem, why push away the statistically better performers

Ransal · 2019-08-22T22:40:18+00:00

About time but I doubt it'll go anywhere.

Higher ed is completely controlled by the anti men feminist ideology.
It doesn't matter if they break the law in their discrimination, they aren't going to be punished for it until more people speak out.
Problem is... they also control social media and if you speak out you're banned.

system is rigged, folks.

RT-AC66U · 2019-08-22T17:34:35+00:00

Whites only stem program under attack for black discrimination.

Crazycatgirl16 · 2019-08-22T22:03:42+00:00

What I want to know is why that was allowed in the first place

Keisuke_Takahiro · 2019-08-23T04:02:55+00:00

Woman make up a majority of college students and have 100% control over what they decide to study yet somehow they need ADDITIONAL help in filling STEM? No they dont. The world has seriously fallen to the pussy is wonderful effect. If there ever is a societal collapse men need to remember to rebuild it without this retarded school of thought.

markus_brutus · 2019-08-22T19:03:59+00:00

:Pikachu face:

Lethn · 2019-08-23T00:30:07+00:00

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rabel111 · 2019-08-23T00:32:15+00:00

I might have some sympathy for women only STEM initiatives if there were similar initiative in Gender Studies for men.

Not likely.

Sunburstno7 · 2019-08-23T13:32:28+00:00

I work in a field that’s 98% women, and I feel like a decent of them are so used to not being around men that they don’t know how to interact with me, or I make them uncomfortable just because I’m male.

I know that a lot of women in STEM deal with a fair amount of bullshit from guys, but they’re going to have to be around guys for their whole career. Instead of separating genders, maybe there should be classes on how to deal with people who are condescending dickheads (for both genders to attend). Maybe there should even be a class on how to read social cues and how to have a conversation without being an ass, I know a lot of people who could stand to learn that.

Seagram1 · 2019-08-22T18:48:37+00:00

The part that no one seems to recognize; one of the biggest excuses used to justify moving the 3rd world to the 1st world.....they claim to be the qualified work force. But tgose countries don't force schools to favour women in the schools. However you cannot FORCE a woman to study. So this means resources are wasted trying to teach a woman computer programming or math or chemistry..ect when she would rather not work at all. Now all the males of the 1st world have been denied an education they wouls have excelled at and they reach the 3rd world to fill the gap. All so women can be less jealous

DumbFucker109 · 2019-08-22T17:34:12+00:00

Jesus how can society be so stupid at times first we made it so women were basically slaves then when we finally hundreds of years later make them equal society becomes retarded again and goes why don't we do it the other way how have we as a species not realised that it shouldn't be on gender over another but both just trying to live in society this is why modern day feminists are bad they are trying to one up themselves over men rather than thinking of a long term solution to make us work together. I really hope we finally stop this endless cycle of one upping each other work on other issues.

CommanderEvil · 2019-08-22T20:51:47+00:00

Some people choose not to engage with those they feel cannot, or will not, be swayed or convinced.

Internet arguing is mostly meaningless. Downvotes only show disagreement with your statement, they're not "proof" of anything other than a few people disagree and are willing to click the mouse to show you.

martynhare · 2019-08-23T00:08:00+00:00

The Universities are responding by allowing men to join in with “for Girls” events. This is priceless. All that has to happen now is for enough men to apply for all these events to force the same 50:50 participation they’re trying to engineer and their own hypocrisy would become transparent and illegal.

The idea that women’s spaces can be eroded in exactly the same way as spaces which men create is hilarious. It’s that part of the whole concept of equality that many feminists don’t really want to happen despite the fact it’s what they actually claim to support.

BlackVendaeta · 2019-08-22T17:12:19+00:00

I know I'm going to get hate from this, but I simply ask you to be understanding, and instead of just downvoting and leaving, reply with your answer/argument. This is more of a hypothetical question than a legit one.

What is so wrong with one female only STEM program when there are still thousands of co-ed ones out there.

Think objectively, not with the "if it was switched" mentality, without the "but the feminists would" mentality, and without the "it's not fair" mentality. Actually think about what would be objectively wrong with a all female STEM program.

Edit: thank you to those who replied instead of downvoting. I am going to change this comment a little so it more reflects what I had in mind for it.

Edit 2: to those who keep downvoting without replying, why? Honestly, why? I'm asking a simply hypothetical question. I'm not saying I agree that their should be one. I'm asking why you think it's bad.

mewacketergi · 2019-08-22T14:56:32+00:00

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TravellingTransGirl · 2019-08-22T17:47:30+00:00

Ok. This is going to be a controversial post but I hope I can bring some perspective to why a women only STEM program is valuable even in a day and age where discrimination is rightfully condemned.

First of all, I work in the engineering world which is objectively a male dominated field. As a trans girl who transitioned while in this field, I have had the opportunity to see behind the curtains as it were in both gender cases. My experience has demonstrated time and again both personally and between other female coworkers that our male counterparts assume the worst when beginning a professional relationship with female coworkers requiring a foundationally more resolute engineer to "prove herself to the guys." I can understand this natural tendency as female coworkers are few and far between in a field requiring rigorous expertise and the guys will lean towards suspicion of physical and even mental prowess given both too little anecdotal experience with female engineers as well as the standard stereotypes of women. I do think the best way to change this mindset is to increase the anecdotal data set for them.

Now, one might then say "well, there isn't anything in the way of women joining STEM so maybe there exists a biological difference resulting in more men within STEM." I won't argue against some merit to this reasoning as there has been some substantial conclusion in the difference between male and female thought patterns which have to at some level influence areas of interest between the sexes but there are some heavy social reasons for why this is currently the case that I think are commonly ignored. One of them of course is upbringing where most parents push boys towards more STEM related past time while girls get pushed towards more humanities related past times. The other one is that when girls join STEM related practices in middle/high school and college, in an already male dominated field, a percentage of the guys will either be creepy towards them (these are mostly virgin nerds after all) or mean because bullying doesn't have to stop at a difference between the sexes. As such, girls that would have otherwise completed a STEM degree, are pushed out to other more comfortable fields with less vitriol towards them. As such, a female only STEM program would hypothetically result in higher graduation rates for the female students. Regardless, a program like this will at least give us data on if this hypothesis holds water or not.

Title	Women-only STEM college programs under attack for male discrimination
Author	rbrockway
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Date	August 22, 2019 1:21 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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