"Behaviorally attractive people and physically attractive people are more desired" is not "just world fallacy" it's just the reality

arvada14 · 2024-03-04T23:48:08+00:00

The just world fallacy is that good people (as in morally good) are rewarded with good outcomes in life). Conversely if you're not getting said good outcomes you must not be a good person and try being better.

In economics its the boomers saying " millenials need to work harder and stop complaining i worked hard and was able to afford a house at 22 and raise 4 kids".

In dating its " if men are struggling in dating, its because women can sniff out their bad personality and that they are really mysoginistic".

The truth is that social competence and/or physical attraction gets you a relationship. Hitler had a girlfriend, it wasn't because he was a good person its because he was a very effective and persuassive speaker with lots of power.

ArtifactFan65 · 2024-03-04T23:14:59+00:00

Everyday people on dating subs say that the reason lonely men aren't getting dates is actually because of their "toxic personality". This is a just world fallacy because it assumes that being a bad person somehow stops people from having sex with you.

In reality an attractive and socially competent toxic piece of shit will have no trouble dating. Nazis had no problem getting laid, funny that women's famous asshole detectors didn't all go off once their husbands started rounding up the Jews. Same story with slave owners in America. Being a terrible person has no impact on your ability to get laid, get married and start a family, and be a valued member of society.

odd_cloud · 2024-03-05T00:42:25+00:00

To be fair, I’ve seen a similar dialogue countless times here:

Guy: Women say they like men with good personality, but actually date Chad even if he has bad personality.

Woman: Nooooo, we really like good men. You don’t get any women because you’re the real asshole, misogynist, abuser, you cannot treat women as people and want a bangmaid!

Independent-Mail-227 · 2024-03-05T00:29:38+00:00

And here we see someone that have no idea what the just world fallacy is. Stop using terms you have no idea what means.

GridReXX · 2024-03-05T00:10:12+00:00

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Longjumping-Goat-348 · 2024-03-05T01:38:11+00:00

Women like to think that any man who criticizes, demeans or views women in an unfavorable light is automatically an incel. They’re completely oblivious to the fact that attractive men who have success with women often view women just as negatively as incels.

John_Oakman · 2024-03-04T23:22:06+00:00

Then surely, people don't often attribute moral reasoning to these situations that are supposedly independent of moral virtues right?

That is actually the just world fallacy that people have issues with: that things independent of morality/immorality are attributed moral reasoning, whether for coping or deflecting.

But even discounting the gashing of the teeth of the undesirable males, just shrugging and saying "that's how the world works" can and will also be used against any particular sacred cows that's on your particular faction.

caption291 · 2024-03-04T23:31:42+00:00

I don't think I've EVER seen anyone say "since I get laid I'm a good person."

People who are self-aware enough to understand they have that bias would never say that because they know it's not true.

People who aren't self-aware enough to understand they have that bias would never say it because they don't know they are biased in that way.

Your expectation that something needs to be said to be true is odd to say the least.

BigZaddyZ3 · 2024-03-04T23:49:03+00:00

The just world fallacy kicks in when people mistake “behaviorally attractive” for things like “being nice” or “being a simp” or “never criticizes women”… These aren’t actually the things that make a man “behaviorally attractive”. And some of the things that do aren’t so nice or friendly…

So the just world fallacy is believing that “all nice/good natured men do well with women” and “all men that are asshole or misogynists do poorly with women”. These are both bullshit and just plain naivety of how life actually works. Thus a lot of bluepillers actually do have a “just world fallacy” if they believe that a person’s attitude towards women is what will determine whether women find you sexually attractive.

Some of you have cognitive dissonance tbh. One second it’s “the bar is in hell” in terms of women dating abusive, narcissistic, piece of shit men. Then the next minute you turn around and claim it’s a man’s personality that prevents him from dating women. 😂😂

Silver_Past2313 · 2024-03-05T00:49:42+00:00

why isn't there flair

AidsVictim · 2024-03-05T08:22:28+00:00

I think women making excuses for anti social/aggressively socially dominant male behaviour is probably the more common case rather than straight up saying "just be good to get laid". It's also quite common for women to say they would never date a guy who's "bad" or even just rude and then turn around and date a guy who clearly has some aggressive/rude tendencies - essentially they become the previously mentioned excusers of male bad behavior.

GridReXX · 2024-03-05T15:42:14+00:00

I agree but I want to say. Emphatically. That good guys can win at this game too. They’ll probably end up married though.

OptimistInHell · 2024-03-08T09:38:44+00:00

Gosh, you're an academic. That explains a lot.

MongoBobalossus · 2024-03-05T00:15:00+00:00

Dating and hooking up is basic market economics in action. It sucks, but people don’t date and bang people out of charity.

Preme2 · 2024-03-05T00:17:29+00:00

Getting laid means that the guy getting laid is better at putting himself in situations where he’s able to competently trigger lust in women than the guy who isn’t getting laid. But this does not mean the guy getting laid is more good than the other guy. Only guys here seem to interpret that.

False. Guys here say the opposite, and question why women constantly “reward” men with sex who are often “less good” than they are. This usually involves nice guy posts. Why don’t nice guys get laid more since women often complain of toxic traits? Because when are shallow, they want the most attractive person, being lied to and deceived.

mrs_seng · 2024-03-04T23:24:28+00:00

It's not just behaviour. They don't have a style (dress like my dad), they don't respect themselves enough to get a good haircut (haircuts make all the difference). They sort of do everything to exclude themselves from most groups, slowly becoming outcasts. They don't work on accepting things they can not change and changing things that they can change. Until it's too late. And then they struggle. And then they're bitter. It's a sad story if you step back and watch the trainwreck that their life is unfolding across decades.

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Ok-Dust-4156 · 2024-03-05T02:38:22+00:00

You can fix your social awkwardness if you go out and try to communicate with people. You can train your social skills just like anything else. But at least this post recognize that more than one type of attractiveness exist, and that's a progress.

And I've never seen anybody in real life who would say that "getting laid" is equal to "being a good person", there's no connection there. You can be a bad person and have lovable personality and that happen often.

Fichek · 2024-03-06T16:25:10+00:00

Just from the title of your topic, you have no idea what is just world fallacy and you are using the term completely wrong.

Safinated · 2024-03-04T23:24:30+00:00

The Just world fallacy actually says that everyone should be the same, not different

WANT_SOME_HAM · 2024-03-05T18:05:32+00:00

Attractive people are unattractive, prove me wrong

And don't bother shooting me with lasers because I come from the Mirror Dimension

Title	"Behaviorally attractive people and physically attractive people are more desired" is not "just world fallacy" it's just the reality
Author	GridReXX
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Date	March 4, 2024 10:52 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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