Pics vs presence

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2019-12-03T01:11:08+00:00

while neither of them are attractive based on pix alone i am violently in love with adams character on girls

i would never look at a square looking dude like image 1 in the 1st place

you should have used the clip of adam banging on the car hood and yelling when theyre crossing the street

SunflowerBurst · 2019-12-03T02:15:01+00:00

Adam Driver is really attractive and his presence and movement and voice are a huge reason why yes even if his features aren’t cookie cutter conventional. This is an example of persona, (NOT PERSONALITY) charisma, projection that I’ve often discussed on PPD.

philomexa · 2019-12-03T02:00:09+00:00

Pic or presence, guy 1 is boring as shit. He's slumped, beige, and milquetoast; gross.

However Adam Driver already has an interesting face, its masculine but exceedingly aquline, its enough to pique my interest but I can see why it would turn women off in a static representation.

How Adam's presence is 💯, he's got that big dick energy and swagger. He looks like a guy that fucks, and it's that dirty kinda fuckin too.

Guys don't have to be pretty, symmetrical, or have Chad ratios, they need a masculine build (sorry Klinefelter syndrome suffers) and BDE to slay.

Eta: I couldn't give a SMV rating, as that shit is ridiculous, but I think Adam would get more attention from pics and especially video because his looks are so polarizing. Guy 1 is blander than the wall paper in a dentist waiting room.

pngmafia97 · 2019-12-03T03:01:31+00:00

Photos alone

My opinion is that SMV can't be judged from face photos alone, can't really tell. Mark 7.5, Adam 3
Mark would definitely be more attractive to women.
Mark would definitely get more swipes.

With videos

Adam's SMV is higher for sure. Mark 4.5, Adam 7
Adam would definitely be more attractive to women.
Copout answer I know, but it depends on the woman. Some women like dumb big awkward guys like Mark and some women like confident kinda weird looking guys like Adam.

I know I probably gave you all the answers you wanted, but I agree with the point you're trying to illustrate. It's why I'm hesitant to meet people off of OLD because no matter how great their pics are their presence can ruin everything in 10 seconds.

female, purple I think?

ohheyhi99 · 2019-12-03T02:26:11+00:00

Very good post. I think the same effect can apply to women too.

Pics:

Mark - 5 or 6, Adam - 3 face, 5 or 6 with his 6’2 height included
Mark if height isn’t included, but even then, maybe Mark
Mark if height isn’t included, but even then, maybe Mark

Videos:

Mark - 2, Adam - 7 or 8
Adam
Adam

GrievenLeague · 2019-12-03T02:21:31+00:00

It depends on whether you are talking about IRL or online.

IRL: Adam. His body language is better. Then again, you're comparing him to an actual fuckin' autist.

Tinder: Mark. Adam looks like a rat. No one is right swiping on that. Mark looks masculine and nice.

Adam = 2 / 10 SMV. Mark = 7.5 / 10 SMV. (Pictures only)

Adam = 6.5 / 10 SMV. Mark = 4 / 10 SMV. (w/ Presence)

TRP Male.

NigroqueSimillima · 2019-12-03T03:41:29+00:00

Can you tell the SMV of each guy? What would you rate them out of 10?

Probably rate Mark a 6 and Adam a 4 based on those pictures alone, however those are bad pictures of Adam and a decent picture of mark. Adam is tall and has a good frame, Mark based on the video looks kinda chubby, and on the short side. It'd be alot of closer if you posted the best picture of Adam.

Who do you think would be more attractive to women?

Based on those pictures mark.

Who do you think would get more swipes on tinder?

Adam would be a moron to use that pictures on tinder. So probably Mark.

What would you rate their SMV?

Well Mark drops to a 1 based for asking a women if she feels like he's marriage material. Adam decent body, height and preselection bring him up to an 6.0.

Who do you think would be more attractive with women?

Adam obviously

Please state your sex and pill

Male, Purple, with a tinge of black.

This whole test is retarded because you left out Adam's best physical feature. You also compared a real unscripted interaction by Mark, to a Hollywood script by Adam.

Also Adam had the absurd halo of hollywood actor status. They're much better videos to make this point.

lilsaihah · 2019-12-03T07:28:31+00:00

I don't know if you're gonna get any good answers from here because everyone knows who Adam Driver is lol.

SupremeMystique · 2019-12-03T03:30:45+00:00

No point. You're ignoring that Adam is 6'4. Women value height a lot.

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boomcheese44 · 2019-12-03T02:40:57+00:00

Mark- 5 rating based on pic Adam- 4 Rating based on pic

They are equally unappealing..but maybe Mark has a slight edge based on pics

Ughh..probably Mark

Mark gets a 5.5 based on video. Adam gets a 5.5 based on video.

Based on video, probably Adam. Thats only because I see some muscle though.

They are both gross to me, but maybe Adam. Mark has that goofy look that is disgusting to most women.

female, purplish-black pill

mandoa_sky · 2019-12-03T03:48:49+00:00

adam driver's an ex-marine. he's already got more presence.

JaJammerJan · 2019-12-03T05:04:25+00:00

Judging from the photos: Mark is about average-slightly above, so 5PSL(7/10 normie scale). Adam is slightly below average, about a 4PSL (6/10 normie scale).

Mark will be more attractive to women, he also looks to be more robust aswell from just those photos.

Mark will get more swipes on tinder if they both used similar photos. But if this was the only photo used, I would guess Adam with slightly more swipes because Mark's photo has shit facial expression + worse clothing and angle from the side whilst Adam is at least trying.

From the vids: Mark stands no chance because he seems to have some sort of serious mental disorder. His SMV is that of a low tier normie: can betabux a 30yo single mom or fat/ugly woman if his disorder doesn't impair him from getting at least some type of stable decent paying job.

Adam has the SMV of a slightly above average normie. Will have a few relationships maybe here and there with avg-below avg looking girls, usually single with year-long dry streaks, gets lucky at clubs/parties very rarely.

Adam will be more attractive with women and more likely to fuck on a tinder date. They will both be approached about the same amount, but obviously his mental disability will keep Mark from getting any further from there.

Anyways not sure what you are trying to prove. Mark is mentally ill while Adam has a scripted TV personality that is unlikely to ever be showcased like that IRL. Mark is slightly better looking than Adam, but that obviously isn't going to be enough to outdo a mental disability.

Male:Blackpill

rus9384 · 2019-12-03T06:13:45+00:00

The dude on the first pic looks like he is gonna cry. When was that attractive?

Adam has an almost cartoon proportions, IMO.

As for the presense, lmao, yes, autism is unattractive.

If Adam was not a celebrity I don't expect him to be very successful on OLD, but IRL approaches would be OK.

Zippo-Cat · 2019-12-03T06:41:35+00:00

The pictures are not even taken at the same angle.

k995 · 2019-12-03T07:30:30+00:00

Atractiveness is subjective so its a pointless question.

xXxINCELFAGGOTxXx · 2019-12-03T09:14:51+00:00

Photos alone:

- Mark 4/10, Adam 3/10. A battle of recessed, ogre face vs narrow rat face.

- Probably Adam, given he hits a niche

- Both would get 0.

After watching the clips:

- both like 3/4

- Adam again, he has to hit a niche

- Adam

Male, redblackpurplewhatever pill

grand_tiremaster · 2019-12-04T05:53:57+00:00

They both ugly as hell. Mark's behavior is a huge turn off. Adam's behavior is better. I'd rate their SMV poop/10 (I really find them physically ugly looking, face is everything). Idk who would get more swipes on tinder, based on face alone, I'd say they're equal. If Adam included pics of his body, he'd probably get more swipes.

Adam would be more likely to fuck.

jax006 · 2019-12-03T01:56:33+00:00

4 and 7-8 (based on that video and idk how tall he is)

Adam

wekacuck · 2019-12-03T01:57:09+00:00

What would you rate their SMV?

They're not fat so 4-5 I guess.

Who do you think would be more attractive with women?

Neither seem particularly memorable. They're probably fine as betas or wagecucks.

Suppose each one got the same woman to go on a tinder date with them, who would be more likely to fuck her?

I have no idea or experience with Tinder, but I assume this is a trick question and neither are hot enough to get any matches.

Please state your sex and pill

Male, purple.

2019-12-03T04:06:47+00:00

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ThorLives · 2019-12-03T04:20:35+00:00

Both of these guys are lame. Mark is awkward and needy. Adam is awkward and socially inept, but not needy.

Mark's pic: maybe a 4. Adam's Pic: maybe a 3.

Mark's video: maybe a 2. Adam's video: maybe a 3.5.

Neither of these guys would get any swipes on Tinder. Women would be absolutely turned-off by Mark's weak neediness. Adam would do better than Mark.

The fact that the videos are showing Mark getting shot-down by an unattractive woman versus Adam actually getting interest from what's-her-face also affects everyone's opinions of these guys. It's showing the value of pre-selection - both positive and negative.

I assume this is supposed to make a point about the difference between photos and real-life interactions. I'm not sure if I buy it, though. Maybe because my opinions didn't really change that much between the pics and the videos. I also think you can tell quite a bit by looking at someone's photos - especially if you have 5 or 6 of them (which you usually do on a dating app).

I don't know why women go for weirdos. (Do you think so badly of yourselves that you only trust low-value guys?)

If Adam wasn't a famous actor, he'd be a borderline incel.

I wish getting attraction from women was anywhere near as easy as commenters in this thread act like it is. I'm not saying that because I do badly with women (I do fairly well compared to other men), I'm saying that because it takes much more work than it realistically should in real-life.

Kos_-_Omak · 2019-12-03T16:55:10+00:00

this isn't presence, it's acting - the clip from "Girls" is of a fictional character written to appeal to the audience in a certain way.

if that other beta looking guy was a good enough actor, he could play that same role in that same scene in the same way and it would have basically the same appeal to women. and Adam Driver could act like a lame beta and be just as unattractive and unappealing as the guy in the first clip.

the really important thing to realize isn't just that "presence" is more important than looks, it's that getting in character and playing a certain role also works in real life.

Title	Pics vs presence
Author	_anothergumnut_
Upvotes	15
Comments	230
Date	December 3, 2019 1:03 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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