Shitty Bluepill dating advice creates entitlement, not Redpill talking points

wtknight · 2023-08-25T02:20:05+00:00

OP, please make a small edit to your post in order to bring up the AutoModerator.

BigZaddyZ3 · 2023-08-23T21:08:42+00:00

I agree with you OP. I even made this point the other day when I commented this :

If you’re bitter(about not getting women), it’s because you’re actually having trouble letting go of the bluepilled notion that women/sex should be “distributed” in a “fair” way (lol). You still believe that you “deserved” teen love/sex for simply being a good little boy and nothing else. That’s not how life works. And accepting that is a major part of actually being Redpilled.

It’s actually the bluepill that pushes the idea of “just be a nice good little boy = infinite pussy glitch.” lol.

And so it’s the bluepill that’s actually responsible for men’s entitlement and anger that they feel when they finally realize that sex/dating doesn’t work that way. This is what those men mean when they claim that society “lied” to them when it comes to women. I’ve noticed before that some of the biggest misogynists you’ll ever meet are guys that bought hard into the bluepill and became bitter when they finally realized that it’s just some feel good, “just world fallacy” bullshit. That’s one of the reasons that even tho I’m not that invested in Redpill anymore, I will never support the bluepill either. It‘s capable of doing just as much damage to men as today’s modern, bastardized version of Redpill is.

zyex12 · 2023-08-23T21:32:25+00:00

The biggest issue with people here is they believe someone’s like either blue pill or red pill like you could just be a normal person not thrown under some made up shit and talk to girls yea be nice to everyone don’t be a doormat. If your upset your not getting any than aye man that’s tough happens to everyone

KayRay1994 · 2023-08-23T21:34:04+00:00

Redpill is literally “do X get Y” though, and it kinda ditches things like basic respect and actively encourages things dehumanizing women, hyper-competitiveness and toxic masculinity.

Now, I do agree what you call the “blue pill” (imo there is no such thing, but i get what you’re trying to say), is horrible advice and a result of entitlement - but so is the redpill in a lot of ways, your ideological opponent being entitled doesn’t disqualify you from being entitled - and the redpill shows so much entitlement via the way it expects the world to respond to the pov/advice given, as well its active shunning of literally everyone who doesn’t agree with it.

Soloandthewookiee · 2023-08-23T20:46:25+00:00

Why are all these "red pill vs blue pill advice" posts always comparing what red pillers say every day with what blue pillers rarely, if ever, say?

It is NOT and never has been the absolute ticket for a man to get what he desires from a woman.

Nobody said it was.

Opening_Tell9388 · 2023-08-23T21:22:12+00:00

I think all pills are really dumb.

Treating people like people is the bare minimum. I think TRP doesn't want to treat women like people because they want something out of them. So TRP is constructed of various tips & tricks on how to get what you want from women. Which is usually just sex. Most men are not in a position to have women want to have sex with them with no strings attached. So insert TRP. This also just goes into traditionalism pretty easily. I think it's just a spectrum.

There is a dance that is hard to explain when romantically involved with someone. Give and take. It's fucking hard to describe. Harder to master. I know I hate when women are just on my dick and obsessed with me as I don't have anything to chase. I would assume it's the same with women but way more common. As most men just take what they can get.

I don't know much about the blue pill to be honest. As it never really interested me like TRP, incels, trad-pill, etc. THESE however are so fascinating to me. Especially the dynamic of the influencers and how they farm young disenfranchised men. Rollo, F&F, all the other bald 40 year olds I forget. Then watching how these spread and watching some cringey interactions in real life from young men obviously influenced by these ideals.

I am thankful my older brothers always kept me around pretty women from a young age. So I never really put them on a pedestal. If anything they put me on the pedestal and would braid my hair, buy me things, cook for me, etc. Then I grew up and me and my younger brother just made a sport at pulling and talking to women. I remember on the last day of school every year we would go to school with sharpies and see who could get more numbers written on us.

I learned the dance fast. Never seen women as objects, always just people. I think I learned that from moms. Cause she was strong and independent and wouldn't take shit. So I never viewed women as less capable of anything.

zyex12 · 2023-08-23T21:30:48+00:00

Dude no one says be a doormat and first thing u gotta do is quit with the redpill this blue pill this stuff no girl is getting wet over that. Also I don’t like any of this redpill stuff and I gotta say I get denied all the time it happens just cause ur nice to a girl or do certain things for her doesn’t mean she’ll magically like you some people connect better than other people I’ve talked to girls where nothing was wrong with them but I still didn’t date them not because their ugly or something but cuz I just didn’t vibe.

sine120 · 2023-08-23T20:47:13+00:00

Since there's no AutoMod to post under; yeah. Guys are told by their moms or whoever to just be nice if you want girls to like you. Do favors for them if you want them to notice you. If you act like as a pleasant servant however, you'll be treated as one.

Lift_and_Lurk · 2023-08-23T21:05:18+00:00

Kinda want to see the “bluepill guide to dating!” The antithesis to an online pillosophy is also now a guide book!

RedPillDad · 2023-08-24T04:12:45+00:00

Reading the responses here is bewildering. So many biases creeping in.

Red Pill = aware
Blue Pill = unaware

That's the whole premise. Not complicated. It comes from the movie The Matrix, where Neo (Keanu Reeves) was living in an artificial reality, unaware that it was artificial. He was given a choice to take the Red Pill and awaken to a harsh reality, or take the Blue Pill and stay in the illusionary world.

There was another important aspect of that movie, the process of instantly downloading knowledge and skills into the back of your head. Now, if you could be gifted with any knowledge, what knowledge would you seek? The answer for many young men is 'How to easily get laid' and that corrupts the red pill space. Driven by testosterone, acquiring seductive skills becomes the primary focus for thirsty guys.

A higher level is to seek 'How to become a superior man and get whatever I want' but that requires a long, arduous journey. It's human nature to want the rewards of being at the mountain's peak without doing the work of climbing it.

ace52387 · 2023-08-23T21:28:26+00:00

There is no ticket. The redpill is no ticket. Being nice is just part of being a decent person. Decent people > than awful people. Be nice to your dates, coworkers, friends, this isnt dating advice. This is just a bare minimum level of expectation in any social setting.

If bluepill is general society, we could not be screaming loud enough to move on if theres no interest, what are you talking about?

Bluepill is so diverse since its really just the non-cultish contingency. My only advice is to know what youre looking for and know who might be looking for you. Otherwise dont lie/be yourself. Its not like learning BJJ, there are no techniques.

TheMedsPeds · 2023-08-23T23:58:12+00:00

Blue pill means, from my understanding: “red pill is not accurate.” And the whole core of the red pill is that there is like a science to dating. And dating is somehow different then all other human to human social relationships.

So I think if you heard one of us say “just be nice” it’s not a “because women want nice” it’s more meant to be taken like: “go out there and socialize and since no two people are alike, you will eventually meet someone that meshes wish your personality.”

Because as BP we disagree that women are homogenous blob with a “nature” but rather we are all millions of individuals with different tastes and standards. So, it’s not about “be nice so many girl deposit pussy.” It’s more about getting as much exposure as possible. Because while RP would say something like “hit the gym, work on game, get a promotion.” A BP would be like: “being buff and high earner is not a must for tons of women out there. So if you aren’t into that, just be yourself and keep looking. Eventually you’ll run into a fat gamer chick that likes anime and Reddit as much as you!”

To add on that a bit, if the incel says “but I want hot Insta model. Us BP are more likely to say something like: “why? Let’s deconstruct that. You have Naruto figurines and you haven’t seen your dick in months. Why do you think your life partner should be a sex doll and not your equal?” And the convo continues from there.

neinhaltchad · 2023-08-23T21:08:08+00:00

As another thread put it here, RP advice is most applicable for getting a girl, and BP advice is most applicable for keeping a girl.

Since women don’t need to worry about the “getting” part in dating (asking out, etc) they have no meaningful advice to give on the matter.

However, things like communication, safety and the right kind of vulnerability absolutely helps a man in an LTR that he wants to maintain.

Safinated · 2023-08-24T02:28:58+00:00

Blue pill doesn’t promise anything, it’s just general socialization and norms

Just_Natural_9027 · 2023-08-23T21:16:48+00:00

I love how dumb some of you red pillers are:

I was told growing up that if I wanted positive attention from women, I had to be nice to them. .

I was told growing up that Santa Claus was real but that doesn't mean I didn't use my brain and put two and two together and realize what mattered in dating and relationships.

mc0079 · 2023-08-23T23:57:08+00:00

There is no blue pill. Its just used as a constant strawman for people who think they stumbled on some sort of hidden knowledge that being good looking helps.

beastmode179 · 2023-08-24T06:53:10+00:00

The "solution" to the problem most men have is very f'in simple. They grew up on Call of Duty or Anime or whatever garbage the internet spewed at them. All the while being raised by helicopter parents who never let them out of the house without a specific reason, destination, etc.

Very few are social and the simple fact is if you do not have much of a social life. If all your human interaction is done at work and you then come home, pet your dog/cat and put on your headset and grab the controller. Then grabbing your phone between COD maps you start swiping right a few minutes, hoping for a match. You are never going to get anything but the most pathetic of results.

If you want to meet quality women, that requires going out and getting a life, literally. That means learning to hate sitting at home alone. Being bored with your teammates on Xbox Live and being excited to meet new people live, as they exist, in the flesh, the good the bad the ugly.

That is not hard to do on paper. IRL it is difficult because the learning curve is steeper than any Dark Souls title and is brutally unforgiving for the first few months while you get a handle on your social skills.

It requires doing something many men have convinced themselves they should never do. Go out and spend time, money, effort and ego points to build an awesome and rewarding night life and social circle. Once that is done, the women just fall into your lap.

Durmyyyy · 2023-08-24T04:38:39+00:00

Advice like that isnt to help the person struggling advice like that is to paint the person struggling as a bad person or someone who has something wrong with them.

Because you are failing at dating obviously you are being mean to women and treating them with disrespect and like they arnt a person.

Its just world fallacy and since in their minds the world is just then the person struggling must be a bad person.

WistfulPuellaMagi · 2023-08-24T12:55:30+00:00

My advice is understand everyone is different, be respectful, stop relying on porn to define your standards for dating and sex, don’t expect sex just because you are nice. Be nice/respectful to everyone unless they are a really bad person. Oh and stop trying to find a date 24/7. Focus on making friends with all the sexes and get to know people. Eventually you will click with someone.

Me and my bf found each other on reddit lol. We weren’t even looking for a partner. It just happened naturally.

No_Length_6997 · 2023-08-24T19:01:35+00:00

I would even say that if you are a 666 guy you will not have as much luck as a lower value guy who knows some red pill strategies. The blue pill completely ignores the fact that women need to feel a “spark”. And the blue pill is like a rainstorm when it comes to creating sparks.

OneNineSevenNine · 2023-08-26T08:29:43+00:00

Blue Pill isn’t a thing. The Blue Pill is the Strawman that Red Pillers create to frame non-reactionaries as “unreasonable”.

It’s all rhetoric and propaganda.

There is no Blue Pill, it’s just Red Pill propaganda / manipulation to frame and contextualize all their arguments favourably.

It’s fiction. Simply put.

Title	Shitty Bluepill dating advice creates entitlement, not Redpill talking points
Author	Vegetable-South5499
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Date	August 23, 2023 7:23 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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