Study shows average age of conception throughout human history aligns with men having higher SMV later in life.

dogsmoking · 2023-01-24T23:53:26+00:00

Most people marry people within 5 years of their own age, and yes it tends to skew towards men being the older partner. On the flip side male fertility goes down after 40 and older men are more likely to have autistic and DS kids.

Salt_Mathematician24 · 2023-01-25T00:22:52+00:00

Studies show that the more rights women have, the more the age gap shrinks. So it isn't "men peak later in life", else when women gained more rights, the age gap would have increased, not decreased.

armpitpics · 2023-01-25T02:05:25+00:00

For most history, women had very little choice in who they mated with as marriages were either arranged or were driven by the need of being provided for.

uglysaladisugly · 2023-01-25T07:21:54+00:00

It mostly says that women die in childbirth and men don't...

DiamondLilyD · 2023-01-24T23:42:55+00:00

This is so stupid.

Most women throughout history havent had a say in who they partner up with.

Now that women DO have a say in who they partner up with, they go for a man similar to their own age on average.

wtknight · 2023-01-25T02:29:02+00:00

This paradigm behind this age gap is that men and women are unequal economically. When men and women are no longer unequal economically, such as what one is beginning to see now in the west, women prefer men closer to their own age.

Early-Christmas-4742 · 2023-01-25T09:58:51+00:00

So men should stop worrying that they are betabuxxing if women only start paying attention to them in their 30's? She's not necessarily settling, he's just got hot!

Birb-brained · 2023-01-25T08:32:09+00:00

I don’t think we know enough about ancient hunter gatherer society to really understand why, during prehistory, the age gap was slightly higher.

It’s literally all conjecture. I could just as easily say it was nothing to do with ‘building up resources’ and say that maybe all the young men of each community were fitter so sent out to hunt, (remember this was before agriculture and arable farming) where the older men were left with the rest of the community and so were around more to help look after the infants and teach the much younger boys to fish or hunt. So therefore they were just there more to be ‘settled’.

I completely made that up, but that’s the point. We don’t know, and we can take hard data and quite easily come to completely different conclusions.

januaryphilosopher · 2023-01-25T10:29:20+00:00

For most of human history "peak SMV" and indeed attracting women at all had far less to do with when and whether a man had children than his own and other men's choices. Consent to sex, relationships and childbirth, while something we do now enjoy, is a pretty modern notion. We see that when women have more choice to go for what actually attracts them, they choose far smaller age gaps, because older men aren't actually sexually valuable.

nonameboredman · 2023-01-25T00:33:49+00:00

The math is simple here. As a man, if you're able to double/triple your income in your early 30s compared to what you were making in your mid 20s, and also you at least keep your physical appearance (not get fat etc.), then your SMV should go up in your early 30s but not because that age had some specific number on it, but because you are now looking more or less the same while making more money.

But if you're compromising your looks while making more money now, and/or having kids, chances are your SMV is either staying about the same or declining as you age. However, this assumes your target audience is mid to late 20s women without kids. If you're after early to mid 30s women with or without kids, then your relative SMV will be higher than in your 20s.

Long story short, keep fit, keep childfree, keep working, stop worrying.

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Demasii · 2023-01-25T01:59:21+00:00

So is the new SMV for women 26? Wouldn't what was preferred the last 5,000 years more relevant?

Different_Weekend817 · 2023-01-25T02:00:10+00:00

from the op:

A recent study showed:

the average age that humans had children throughout the past 250,000 years is 26.9. Furthermore, fathers were consistently older, at 30.7 years on average, than mothers, at 23.2 years on average, but the age gap has shrunk in the past 5,000 years, with the study's most recent estimates of maternal age averaging 26.4 years.

yes and i notice the above conveniently edits out the last sentence/conclusion of the paragraph, which is -

The shrinking gap seems to largely be due to mothers having children at older ages.

why this? because centuries ago lifespans were shorter and as soon as a girl had her first period she was deemed ready for marriage and babymaking. moreover, what else was she going to do with her life at the time? i mean wasn't too long ago married women couldn't even sign contracts and women in general couldn't get a university degree. now tho they have options.

This irrefutable shows there are different market curves for women then to men.

this is true because a 23yr old man is tbh not very mature and barely has a career, probably still lives with his parents, so it makes sense that a 30yr old man is on average more attractive to women as he has more to offer. nonetheless, in 2023 attractiveness is hardly about one's peak fertility as all genders are not as much in a rush to have kids and are not having them at their so-called 'peak'. the average age for women to have a child is around 30, likely because she doesn't need to have 5+ children in her lifespan anymore. and on the subject of celebrities, when Leo DiCaprio is looking for a girlfriend he is not considering how damn hot that pair of ovaries are and how much he wants to impregnate that pussy, otherwise he'd have many illegitimate children by now.

MarBitt · 2023-01-25T04:39:36+00:00

If 23 years was the average age of a woman when she gave birth to a child (average from all children). And we know that due to the high infant mortality rate, the fertility rate was, let's say, 6-9 births per woman (+ miscarriages, maternal mortality during childbirth...), so this means that the average woman throughout history first became pregnant as a teenager.

So the peak SMV age for a woman is not the same as when she had to get pregnant for the first time.

it goes to show that peak SMV for men has been 30.

No, it doesn't show anything like that. Same, as this study does not show when the peak SMV was for a woman.

That study is for a period of 250,000 years. People began shifting towards monogamy about 3.5 million years ago, so at the time of that study there was already some mix of monogamy and polygamy. So, the average age of having a child was probably significantly higher than the average age for having a first child, even for men.

Also take into account that men can father children into old age. This increases the average age for men having a child, but it can decrease the average for having a first child or when some percentage of men start having their first children (similarly to the higher distribution of wealth for men, there are more ultra-rich and homeless men).

gofigure62 · 2023-01-25T15:18:00+00:00

Through most of human history children and teens were being sold into sex slavery and marriage. Men in this very sub advocate their preference for barely legal teens.

If anything this goes to show how and why Epstein was able to do what he did for so long.

obviousredflag · 2023-01-25T17:49:53+00:00

And the gap is shrinking. Following your line of thought, this means that peak SMV for women increases to a later age. So suddenly, "post wall women" do have the highest SMV?

BigBrainChick · 2023-03-03T15:15:25+00:00

I hate your statistics. Huhuhuhu. Almost 30f here

BigBrainChick · 2023-03-03T15:16:35+00:00

What's smv

Impossible_You_8555 · 2023-01-25T00:07:53+00:00

Ofc, women mature earlier, men are more attractive in their early 30s.

Now some hurr durr women and men are the same, hurr durr partners will deny it.

Title	Study shows average age of conception throughout human history aligns with men having higher SMV later in life.
Author	Scarce12
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Date	January 24, 2023 11:32 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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