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[–]BarryOgg 7 points8 points9 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is the most sensible comment in this thread.
[–]inyouraeroplane 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Man Getting Hit by Football
[–]girlwriteswhat 92 points93 points94 points 15 years ago (69 children) | Copy Link
I suppose if she spit on someone or threw a drink in their face, she'd feel they were totally justified in punching her in the ovaries then.
[–][deleted] 74 points75 points76 points 15 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Of course not, girls are allowed to do that. They're GIRLS.
[–][deleted] 26 points27 points28 points 15 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Should only date women then. Leave the girls to high-schoolers.
[–][deleted] 21 points22 points23 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Unfortunately, some women don't understand that they are no longer girls.
[–]DoWhile 9 points10 points11 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Don't worry, they still are. (Just not legally, of course)
[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I would say that, legally speaking, they continue to be treated like children.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 15 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, I would take a drink to the face to see how she feels about this turnaround.
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[–]NumberFiveAlive 11 points12 points13 points 15 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
It's definitely not about the same as that.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 15 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Number5 is right! It's even extra the same as it
[–]YesImSardonic 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Except his makes sense.
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[–]auxiliary-character 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
"About the same" implies close. "Even extra the same", I assume, means closer.
[–]Wulibo 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
that makes sense, too.
[–]auxiliary-character 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Wow. It's moments like these where I am left in awe at the nature of the average redditor. Even at one of the most volatile subjects of the internet, grammar, where such a discussion as this could lead to a thread-closing flame-war, a redditor is so open-minded as to accept even the pettiest of criticism and better themself. Bravo, Wulibo, bravo.
[–]Wulibo 2 points3 points4 points 15 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
umm...
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No, what I was going for was that it was more than 100% the same.
[–]Wulibo 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I find it offensive against what I was born as. It is something hurtful to me (also in a way that is current and physical) personally, not just because of my ancestors, but because of me. It is something that is a legitimate threat, and also something that offends me.
It has kept me and my people in fear for longer than even history can remember.
How is it not as bad?
[–]Wulibo 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
it was an example, I didn't say slavery was the equivalence of being kicked in the balls. I said that that's how offended I get.
Remember that feelings are relative, so something intangible like offense can be felt just as greatly by someone who has little to be offended about, if that little bit is called out.
In addition, it can do a LOT more damage and pain than 30 seconds worth. People are capable of dying from being hit in the balls hard enough. If I'm only allowed to use small examples of joke hits that barely hurt, why are you allowed to use examples more than sweat shops that hire people who can't get better jobs that causes them pain with little pay? Because that feeds them, and, while very close to being considered slavery, may even be beneficial in the long run.
You say that that's not what you're talking about? Well, friendly light hits aren't what I'M talking about, as you can see from my arguments.
And finally, as a fellow redditor, I can say that people won't look at your arguments with the same regard if you use slam methods and swear. That just makes you sound dumber than you are, and only serves to discredit your argument.
[–]yasee 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You said it was "as bad". You can't really fault people for figuring you meant they were equivalent.
[–]kimb00 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
How about you take a look at the original post:
wakatopatopa: ...Then one day, he mentioned that he loved using prostitutes, and would often call one over when I left. That was a bit of a deal breaker for me, and when I told him that, he started spitting in my face over and over and over again. I'd see him around town and he'd still spit on me til next boyfriend punched him in the face for it.
[–]c0mputar 5 points6 points7 points 15 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Still don't see your point. With witnesses and what not they could file charges against the guy for spitting but, as OP points out, going for the nuts is never fair game. If ovaries were hanging out, would you be ok with someone hitting them? That's the point... Society deems it ok for guys to be hit in the nuts depending on the circumstance... but if it is for anything less than self-defence then I have a problem with that.
[–]Torquemada1970 -1 points0 points1 point 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I can't imagine tell a girl something like that and her reply being "Well, that's a bit of a deal breaker for me"
[–]GeneralDisorder 2 points3 points4 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A bit of a deal breaker... So I guess a total deal breaker is when he steals money from her for said prostitutes after marrying her, impregnating her and giving her an STD.
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[–]yasee 9 points10 points11 points 15 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
That's quite a limb. Having never experienced either, can you explain to me how they're equivalent? I would have figured the male equivalent of being raped would be...being raped.
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[–]yasee 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm just using this thing I know called logic.
Not sure what I did to merit the condescension, but thanks for the reply.
I find your comparison a bit simplistic, but we can leave that. I think I get what you're saying, but I still don't understand why the equivalent of rape isn't rape (for both sexes) or, for that matter, why the equivalent of kicking a guy in the balls isn't, say, stabbing a girl in the ovaries, as others in this thread have suggested.
[–]ihavenomp -1 points0 points1 point 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't know about that. Women who are raped aren't usually laughed at. Men who are raped while wearing an orange jumpsuit don't even get the acknowledgement of being laughed at.
The male equivalent of being raped would probably be more like losing an arm in a car accident, which is also worse for girls because they're beautiful so they take disfigurement much worse.
[–]Thundahcaxzd -2 points-1 points0 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
you are a stupid piece of shit.
[+]fxexular -12 points-11 points-10 points 15 years ago (32 children) | Copy Link
Being spit upon is ample grounds for violence to most people. You have no excuse, here. Not one. You're literally complaining about how unfair it is that someone should retaliate for being spat on.
[–]Dax420 12 points13 points14 points 15 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link
No, he's saying that a kick to the nuts is not a proportional response to being spat on. If someone spits on you would it be appropriate to pull out a gun and shoot them?
Retaliation must be a measured response. Someone slaps you, slap them back. Someone pushes you, push them back. You don't start throwing haymakers because someone pokes you with a finger, and you don't kick someone in the nuts for spitting on you.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I prefer to do the Indiana Jones priest-ripping-the-heart-out thing, only with ovaries.
[–]DownSoFar 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
he's saying that a kick to the nuts is not a proportional response to being spat on.
Do I have to summon up the discussion of that gif of the girl getting her legs swept after throwing a drink came up on reddit (for the umpteenth time), where you guys were all jerking eachother off over "equal rights, equal lefts" and silencing anybody who thought that almost killing someone over humiliating you was inappropriate?
[–]Dax420 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Sure, got a link? I'd love to see how a leg sweep equates to attempted murder in your eyes.
[–]DownSoFar 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Link. Attempted murder is just barely hyperbole. I don't care. I'm hungover. The back of her head strikes concrete next to a pool.
[–]Dax420 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Both parties are douches in that video. I would hardly call that attempted murder though. A single punch would have done a lot more damage.
I suppose the lesson here is you shouldn't randomly assault people.
[–]DownSoFar 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Both parties are douches in that video. I suppose the lesson here is you shouldn't randomly assault people.
Both parties are douches in that video.
I don't mean to call you a hypocrite, but this sounds suspiciously like you justifying that (unreasonable) level of retaliation in this case where the woman clearly doesn't deserve it, but claiming it's completely unjustifiable in the other.
[–]Dax420 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I think you've never been kicked in the nuts, so you don't really understand. A leg sweep and a kick to the groin are on totally different levels.
Imagine if she threw a drink in his face and he decided to ram a pool cue up her vag and tried to inflict damage on her reproductive system. Not a proportional response.
The leg sweep is obviously an escalation of force, and I wouldn't justify it. I certainly wouldn't do it myself. However that still doesn't excuse kicking someone in the balls for spitting on you.
[–]DownSoFar 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well thanks so much for clarifying that you are in fact a hypocrite. I appreciate it.
I have in fact both had my legs swept, and been kicked in the nuts. They are actually pretty much on the same level, especially when considering the environment they were in at the time. No, a leg sweep doesn't usually damage reproductive organs, but it doesn't have to for the assaults to be comparable.
However that still doesn't excuse kicking someone in the balls for spitting on you.
What the fuck are you going on about? Where did I even remotely do that?
[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If someone spits on you would it be appropriate to pull out a gun and shoot them?
Maybe? I am not saying I agree with the sentiment that someones reproductive rights should be taken for dick behavior, regardless of gender. However someone spitting on someone else is violent behavior and I do not respond to violence with some equal opposite reaction, I strike harder. I do not think op was being a troll either, I get his point too that potentially sterilizing a person is not even a remotely reasonable reaction to someone spitting on you, but if I irresponsibly make a situation physical I should have to deal with the potentially severe consequences.
[+]fxexular -9 points-8 points-7 points 15 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
No, I wouldn't bloody well shoot someone for spitting at me. But a punch or a kick seems entirely reasonable to me. Maybe it doesn't to you, but that's your business. The point remains, though, that this is an entirely ridiculous complaint. I can just see it now, a guy who just spat in someone's face writhing on the floor in agony wailing about how unfair it is. Pathetic. Utterly pathetic.
But somehow, I don't think proportional response is what's getting people riled up, here. No, girlwriteswhat has the top post for a reason. This is yet another thread for you guys to complain about unfair it is that society says men aren't allowed to beat up women. What a fucking travesty that is.
[–]hizBALLIN 8 points9 points10 points 15 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I think a much larger underlying theme to this post is that there's a disparity in terms of escalation of conflict. To be perfectly honest, there's really no way to justify introducing violence into a non-violent conflict, be it a man or a woman that is aggressing. Being spit upon is highly degrading, and I am not going to argue against that. Thinking that you have the right to become violent after being spit upon seems downright sociopathic. Honestly, unless you're just trying to create a stir, think about what you're saying.
[–]trahloc -2 points-1 points0 points 15 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
People who will spit on someone aren't reasonable like you are. If they have the inclination to spit on someone they ARE taking it physical. Maybe not with their hands or feet, but it is a physical attack. The fact that the other person responds with a punch to the face is, in the context of those participating, perfectly reasonable.
[–]girlwriteswhat 2 points3 points4 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Who was complaining about a punch to the face? Although I'd respond that a woman repeatedly spitting in a man's face, who got a light slap in response, would not be told she was pathetic for complaining. She'd be consoled by half the witnesses, while the other half kicked the shit out of the man who slapped her.
I honestly wonder if half the reason women are so eager to dish out violence, and so fearful of it when it's coming their way is that most have never actually been hit, because they have social immunity. I have been hit. It's not that bad, really. So I neither walk around in terror of violence, nor do I walk around smacking other people or kneeing them in the gonads--because 1) I know first-hand what it feels like, and 2) I know first-hand that social immunity can't always be relied on.
[–]trahloc 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I realized I failed to respond to your social immunity comment. If a woman spat in my face I'd not really be able to respond to that physically as I've been socially trained quite well in that regard. Most likely I'd respond the same way I have in the past when faced with such an occurrence ... burst out laughing at her. I can't hit her but she isn't safe from belittlement.
I threw the punch in the face comment due to discussions with friends in meatspace about proper response to being spat upon. Both thought a kick to the nads would be a perfectly fine response (we're all male) while in mid rage, but if it was a cold calculated attack it'd be over the top ... where a punch to the face would be just about the right response.
[–]FlegIsNotAToilet 5 points6 points7 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You realize a kick in the balls can kill a guy, right?
[–]thelordpsy 3 points4 points5 points 15 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
This is yet another thread for you guys to complain about unfair it is that society says men aren't allowed to beat up women.
No, this is yet another thread for us guys to complain about (how) unfair it is that society says women are allowed to beat up men.
[–]fxexular 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I am a man. If you spit in my face I will kick you in the balls. I don't give a shit if that makes you feel oppressed.
[–]thelordpsy 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's great, I'm sure beating each other up will solve all of our problems. Thanks for your input.
[–]CertainlyHeisenberg 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I am a man. If I see you kick another man in the balls in what should be a fair fight, I will jump into the fight against you. I don't give a shit if that makes you feel oppressed.
Or starts a brawl.
[+]bobcat -6 points-5 points-4 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You are an idiot.
If you start violence, I will end it. I have no need to be proportional. If you want it to stop, run away, or better yet, do not start it.
Aren't there any MEN in this place?
[–]girlwriteswhat 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
When did I complain about it? I just said if it's sauce for the gander, it ought to be sauce for the goose too. And punching someone in the face, or the gut, is not the same as singling out someone's gonads.
[–]fxexular -1 points0 points1 point 15 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
This is what I'm getting at. The girl was being physically assaulted, she was being spat on multiple times. She retaliated. To think she should retaliate is enitirely natural. A reaction of force is entirely reasonable. You aren't even pissed off about that, though. Your other comment explains it just as well. You're only here to complain about fucking unfair it is that men aren't allowed to beat up women and how women have it so good in society because people get upset when women are hit and blah blah blah. This thread is a massive circlejerk pity party and you should all be ashamed of yourselves.
[–]girlwriteswhat 2 points3 points4 points 15 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
No, what you're getting at is that a person was being physically assaulted, getting spat on multiple times, but a reaction of force is only entirely reasonable if the spitter is a man. The same reaction upon a woman is the equivalent of "beating up a woman".
I'm saying there's a world of difference between a slap and "beating up", and there's also a world of difference between a shot to the chops and a kick in the private parts. Maybe if women actually had nuts, and had had occasion to be hit in them even once, they wouldn't be so free with the whole, "Kick him in the nuts!" thing.
[–]fxexular -2 points-1 points0 points 15 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I am a man. If another man spits in my face I will kick him in the nuts and I don't give a shit how oppressed you think that makes him. I know exactly how much it hurts, thanks. You're only sore about this because a woman is saying she'd do the same
[–]girlwriteswhat -1 points0 points1 point 15 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I'm a woman, and if a man tried to rape me, I'd grab his balls and squeeze until they popped. For spitting in my face? I'd plow him one right in his. If it was a woman spitting at me? I'd do exactly the same, but then I can get away with it, right?
[–]fxexular -1 points0 points1 point 15 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Do whatever you feel is necessary. That's the point of all this. The moment anyone gets physical, all bets are off. The instigator of an assault deserves comeuppance, regardless of sex.
[–]girlwriteswhat 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I agree. Hence my initial comment that she should be absolutely fine with someone punching a woman in the ovaries for repeatedly spitting on them. Yet you characterized my assertion as "complaining" that men "aren't allowed" to beat up women.
The truth is, men aren't allowed to defend themselves against even violent women.
I was married to a man who had scars from defensive knife wounds on his forearms after being attacked by his ex. The night that happened, he spent 15 minutes with his face in the dirt and a cop's knee in his back, while his ex continued to scream and smash things in the house with her children hiding in a bedroom closet. If she'd had a single bruise from him, the cops made it clear that he'd have been hauled off to jail.
If the genders in the OP's scenario were reversed, any physical retaliation would have likely gotten the guy's ass kicked by bystanders. Hell, he'd probably be in for a beating if he'd spit back at her.
So you can understand maybe that, when it comes to women having a free pass to be violent with men, that the casual mention of kicking him where it would hurt most and do potentially permanent damage in return for spitting might be offensive to some.
You kick that guy in the nuts for spitting on you, he gets to kick you back, because you're a man. She kicks him, all he can do is lie there and take it.
[–]fxexular 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The issues you mention are important and all, but for fucks sake pick your battles. This is not an example of female-on-male domestic abuse. This is not an example of women having a free pass to hit men. This is not an issue you can use to beat the mensrights drum of eternal persecution. That many men would react the exact same way should be evidence enough of that. This is someone retaliating against assault. By choosing this incident you are defending the indefensible. You are finding sympathy with scum because the idea that he deserved comeuppance doesn't sit well with your concept of male victimhood.
[–]cnbdream 37 points38 points39 points 15 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
I just hate it when people derail arguments like this, which seems to happen all the time around here. "A 'shot to the nuts' could lead to infertility" -- "Oh yeah? Well if you're spitting in someone's face maybe you shouldn't be reproducing anyway." It's like, what? Where the fuck did that come from? That's absolute hearsay for so many different reasons it's not even worth getting into because it's just an obvious bullshit statement from some dumb fuck who's on the losing side of an argument because they've gotten all high and mighty about something they don't understand.
I took a pretty hard "shot to the nuts" once. Passed out from the pain. Woke up coughing up blood. I could get into some more gruesome details about how things looked down there for a while, but suffice it to say, it was scary as hell. I couldn't really walk right for the next couple of days. I had a fertility test done after the fact and thank god I was still functional. My point is, responding to someone spitting in your face with a "shot to the nuts" is pretty much the equivalent of responding to someone punching you in the face with a shot to the leg--with a gun. I'm not against self-defence, and there are times when making use of violence that can cause permanent damage like this is necessary, like if your life or someone else's life is in immediate danger. Defending your pride is not one of those times. Ever. Period.
[–]kloo2yoo 26 points27 points28 points 15 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Well if you're spitting in someone's face maybe you shouldn't be reproducing anyway."
so 'my body, my choice' only applies of you're female or an especially smart male.
got it.
[–]frequentlyprofane -1 points0 points1 point 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What?
[+]kimb00 -25 points-24 points-23 points 15 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
That's not actually what I said. Thank you for taking it even further out of context.
[–]JustinTime112 4 points5 points6 points 15 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Link to context please?
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[–]JustinTime112 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You said he should "not reproduce", you didn't even advocate his castration. It's just too bad that you posted the context now when no one will be looking at this thread and see that you have been falsely lynched by Men's Rights.
[–]kimb00 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I posted it all over this thread. The lynch mob was all over me before they even read the entire context.
[–]JustinTime112 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Damn, I'm sorry. I originally came to Men's Rights because I thought it was a neat idea to have more gender neutral court decisions in criminal and civil cases, and I was curious about financial abortion. But it seems that Men's Rights is more of sexist/women-hating movement than an intellectual one. I am really disappointed.
[–]deadEnd3r 9 points10 points11 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't think you've ever been in a fight...
[–]bikemaul 3 points4 points5 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
We should probably avoid hitting people in the neck too.
[+]kimb00 -15 points-14 points-13 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I just hate it when people derail arguments like this, which seems to happen all the time around here.
Since when is it an argument on the "worst date ever" thread, in the twox subreddit, in response to an off the cuff comment a valid venue for a rational discussion on female vs male violence? Who's doing the derailing?
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[+]kimb00 -14 points-13 points-12 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm trolling a thread about me?
[–]parlezmoose -2 points-1 points0 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If you think getting kicked in the nuts is extreme then you better stick to spitting on girls, because if you were to spit on me I'd knock your teeth out. Not everyone believes in non-violence. I think the important lesson you would learn about not spitting on people would be worth the physical damage of getting your ass kicked.
[–]cnbdream 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hey, I've never spit on anyone, male or female, in my entire life, but I would much rather have my teeth knocked out than get kicked in the nuts.
[–]gthermonuclearw 12 points13 points14 points 15 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
The "Are you a troll?" redditor responded:
First off, my comment is made almost entirely facetiously.
Yeah, that one went "whoosh" over me. The humor was lost.
Secondly, you make some pretty huge assumptions of me. One of which: Insert the bit that cbeck287 said about crazy women losing their "reproductive licenses" here. I don't disagree at all. In fact I think that's one of the major problems with humanity.
Secondly, you make some pretty huge assumptions of me. One of which:
Insert the bit that cbeck287 said about crazy women losing their "reproductive licenses" here.
I don't disagree at all. In fact I think that's one of the major problems with humanity.
And this is where I make a snarky slippery-slope comparison to eugenics.
EDIT: By the way guys, please don't go downvote brigade that thread. It doesn't do anyone any good, and will just piss off the more level-headed and tactful 2X regulars. If you're looking for man-haters to make an example of, kimb00 probably isn't one.
[–]a1icey 3 points4 points5 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
she probably is, as i have experienced how irritating she is before, so many times that i actually remember her username. ps, i'm a girl.
[–]kimb00 -3 points-2 points-1 points 15 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
Nope, the hate brigade has been called. With you guys knowing absolutely nothing about me.
How about I direct your attention to this thread. Go on, make an example of me... I'm obviously the femnazi that you guys are looking for.
[–]xbyiu 10 points11 points12 points 15 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
You're probably a pretty cool person, with some pretty reasonable opinions.
But a nutshot can render a man infertile, and we as a culture shouldn't be encouraging violence against men.
[–]kimb00 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
I don't think anyone really was. It was a comment taken way too seriously. But keeping in mind, this is the context of the original nutshot comment:
So sure, infertility and excruciating pain are uncalled for, but there aren't many sane humans that wouldn't respond with violence in that situation.
And I stand by my original comment, I do not think this guy should be reproducing.... as in I think he's a Darwin award candidate, not that I'm actually going to walk around castrating guys that I don't like.
[–]xbyiu 5 points6 points7 points 15 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
monstermash-up was.
Whether intentional or unintentional, the comment you made appeared to be defending a very extreme form of violence against men. Obviously his remarks were inappropriate and the spitting is intolerable, but rendering him infertile with a severe form of aggression is entirely indefensible. Maybe you didn't mean to defend it, but that's what most of the people here saw in your comment.
[–]kimb00 -1 points0 points1 point 15 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
No, that's what the OP deliberately tried to imply. And then called the hate brigade... Over an off the cuff comment that he [again] deliberately portrayed out of context.
Once again, if someone wants to have a mature, rational discussion about female on male violence, I'm all for it. But the OP jumped into a completely unrelated thread and hijacked a silly comment for his personal agenda. I personally view that as trolling.
[–]xbyiu 2 points3 points4 points 15 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
I think there's enough context there to judge the situation. Someone spit in a woman's face, she said that was justification for kicking someone in the testicles, OP disagreed, then you and OP had your exchange. Sorry if I missed anything, but that appears to be the situation.
What I do not see is OP calling the hate brigade. I think he was genuinely dissatisfied about having his opinion dismissed as trolling. I think he was trying to add to the discussion by pointing out that a kick to the testicles was not warranted by the situation. I do not see him inviting people over to the thread to downvote the comments into oblivion. He could've easily linked us to the thread, something I think you could justifiably object to. But he didn't, and he has also noted that he enjoys twox as a subreddit. I would not categorize this as a "hate brigade".
[–]kimb00 -2 points-1 points0 points 15 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
What I do not see is OP calling the hate brigade.
Did he blur out the names so no one could find me and downvote me to oblivion? Did he post the original thread that said the woman was spat on multiple times every time their paths cross?
I think he was trying to add to the discussion by pointing out that a kick to the testicles was not warranted by the situation.
And that was absolutely the incorrect venue to do so. There are plenty of threads that are posted to 2XC that are serious, rational discussions about rape, abuse and sexual assault. This was not one of them.
[–]xbyiu 5 points6 points7 points 15 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link
I don't understand what you're trying to say here. Every single post within a thread must be directly related to the original topic? There can be no branching off into further discussions? That doesn't seem right. I think this is entirely the correct venue to let people know that genital-attacks are not okay if, in this venue, people are casually and humorously condoning them. If, for instance, a men's rights thread talked about a women spitting on a man, and someone commented "put your foot in her vagina," you would be well within your right to tell that poster off for condoning male on female violence. Edit: especially if we lived in a culture where a man violently inserting his foot into a vagina was considered humorous and people did not know the serious consequences of such an action.
[–]frequentlyprofane 3 points4 points5 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ever heard of the term "cunt punt"? I'm not sure if people actually do it or not, but it's used in the same context as whoever used a nut shot here. It's like telling someone the story of someone who pissed you off and them saying "ahhh dude i would have beat the shit out of them" or "i would have killed that dude, seriously"--it's just a joke. Not really meant to be taken seriously. And when that OP replies "Yeah, but spitting in my face? That's when the gloves come off" it really just sounds like an attempt to diffuse the situation with humor because things got taken more seriously than it was intended.
[–]PaperStreetSoapCo 2 points3 points4 points 15 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
It is well within anyone's right to point out that a joke is tasteless, and to state why. But let's continue that example: the commenter then uses their criticism to draw the original commenter into heavy-handed dialogue about sexism. In a thread about something completely different. Is it that surprising that some begin to suspect commenter is a) a troll or b) taking things way too seriously?
I'm not condoning violence or tasteless humour, and I'm not suggesting OP had no right to complain. Just saying: people make unfunny/racist/sexist/violent jokes on the internet. It happens. And calling them out on it via serious discourse/petty re-posting usually doesn't lead anywhere useful.
[–]cooj -3 points-2 points-1 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
1- Don't stick your dick in crazy.
2- Don't get in a comment war with crazy.
She's rationalizing her behavior because she has trouble admitting when she's wrong, which is clearly the case here. Just let her be and she'll go away.
She advocated kicking a man in the nuts as a response to being spit on. Two wrongs never make a right. No man should spit on a woman unless she's into that sort of thing, and no woman should kick a man in the nuts as a response to being spit on. She advocated the latter, and as long as she doesn't delete her previous comments, her stupidity is writ large.
[–]cbeck287[S] 30 points31 points32 points 15 years ago (43 children) | Copy Link
I was perusing twox, which I generally find to be a cool subreddit, and I found a post asking about the most bizarre date anybody had been on. One woman responded with a story about some crazy guy who spit in her face (obviously not acceptable and completely uncalled for) and the OP responds that that warrants "a shot to the nuts".
I interject saying that nothing warrants a shot to the nuts and there are a variety of other alternatives. Then I point out that a shot to the nuts could cause a hernia or infertility and someone says something along the lines of any man who spits in a woman's face to resolve grievances shouldn't have kids. Then I said that it's nobody else's decision as to who should and shouldn't have kids and that if woman could lose their parenting licenses for crazy shit they've done there would be hardly any children around.
Aaaaaaaaaand voila, that makes me a troll.
[–]broken_cogwheel 4 points5 points6 points 15 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link
Dude, I read somewhere (Read: the internet!) that an especially powerful boot to the jewels can kill a man.
Dunno if that's true. But fuck.
Also, if someone spit on me...I'd be very unhappy with them. If someone kicked me in the nuts, I'd probably lose control of any restraint I had left.
[–]cbeck287[S] 8 points9 points10 points 15 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
Yeah it's just an unnecessary escalation of force. It'd be like me back handing you and you shooting me in the face.
[–]bobcat 3 points4 points5 points 15 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
If you hit me in the face while I was holding a gun I would shoot you. After all, you just showed me you are crazy enough to hit me in the face even though I had a gun.
[–]TheGDBatman 5 points6 points7 points 15 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Because the mentally ill deserve death, am I right?
[–]bobcat 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
No, because HE'S GOING TO GRAB THE GUN AND KILL ME NEXT.
Did you miss the part where I warned him to get the hell away from me?
[–]TheGDBatman 4 points5 points6 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Holding a gun isn't a warning. Did you miss the part where you actually didn't say that?
[–]koonat 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
OWNED.
[–]bobcat -2 points-1 points0 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not a warning? Flashing police lights don't mean 'pull over'? Fire spouting from a building doesn't mean 'do not go in here'....
[–]gimpbully 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
If you hit me in the face while I was holding a gun I would shoot you.
Are you that insecure with your ability to punch someone back...?
[–]bobcat -3 points-2 points-1 points 15 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Yes, it's not easy to punch while sitting in a wheelchair.
Gonna call me a pansy next?
[–]gimpbully 2 points3 points4 points 15 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
No, let's go down this road. Do you think, in a thread about proportional responses where you're making yourself out to be a crazed gun-slinger, that maybe you should mention that the situation at hand is, in fact, a guy in a wheelchair with a gun in his hand getting punched in the face? Do you not think that would have changed the 'proportional' bit of the conversation just a bit?
[–]bobcat 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Ok, how about a 6'8" guy slapping a 5'2" woman? In a dark alley? Can she shoot him?
The whole point of OP's whine is that it is never appropriate to deliver a kick in the nuts in response to being spit on. However, the 'kick' comment in the other thread was in response to a thug who repeatedly spit on his ex whenever he saw her.
You want to keep your nuts? Don't follow around your ex and spit on her.
[–]gimpbully 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I'm in favor of proportional responses. As such and taken purely as stated, no, I do not think shooting someone for being slapped by a disproportionately tall guy is an appropriate response, no matter the locale.
[–]bobcat 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Because being beaten down by someone twice your size in a dark alley is not a life or death matter. Sure.
[–]koonat 2 points3 points4 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
So because you're in a wheel chair you get to murder people?
Wow, how's life in that crazy little head of yours?
You like to argue, don't you? Do you like to slap people in wheelchairs, too? Not much they can do to fight back, can't even kick you in the balls...
[–]frequentlyprofane 4 points5 points6 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't really think the kick to the nuts comment was meant to be taken entirely seriously. It's akin to saying "you shoulda beat the SHIT out of that person" or "you should have killed them, seriously." Just a sort of joking thing to say to express sympathy and understanding for the situation. I think the reason you got called a troll is because you seemed to take something that was meant as a joke way more seriously than it was intended, and it was assumed that you were fucking with them.
[–]AntiFeministMedia 16 points17 points18 points 15 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Its telling that she responds to being spat at with a kick to the nuts...
But yeah, this 'your a troll' bullshit is the sort of garbage I hear all the time from these women. I've even had it today, because some dumbass woman cant reason properly, that makes me a troll.
It really is unpleasent to converse with these retards.
[–]cbeck287[S] 10 points11 points12 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah not once on that subreddit had I felt like they were irrational/absurd but this exchange just takes the cake.
[–]Dax420 4 points5 points6 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's a simple ad hominem attack. They can't argue with your logic so they call you a troll. Stay classy 2X.
[+]kimb00 -8 points-7 points-6 points 15 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I reason perfectly fine when the situation calls for it. On a thread about "the most bizarre date ever", I don't think it does. Nor do I think that an irrational downvote brigade is necessary.
Do you want to have a mature and logical discussion about female violence against men? Because I am more than willing to do so. But if you want to make sweeping judgments based on one facetious comment, you're going to get the level of response you deserve.
[–]koonat 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Nope.
You think it's ok to attack men with physical assaults to their genitals.
When called out on it, you cried and threw a little temper tantrum.
That's it. 100%. Your double standard regarding violence was exposed, and you reacted defensively because you KNOW YOU ARE WRONG.
[–]kimb00 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Really? You can quote me on that? Could you point out where I said that please?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Violence should only be used in self defense.
Do you disagree with that statement?
[–]kimb00 -1 points0 points1 point 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I, personally, have only used violence in self-defense (childhood not included). I don't necessarily have a moral opinion on it... I just generally think less of people who resort to it. That being said, I also haven't been spit on multiple times.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If you get spit on, that doesn't give you the right to stab them. Also doesn't give you the right to kick then in the nuts.
You have a couple options. Spit on them, call the police for battery, leave.
Of course it doesn't give you the right to do that because assaulting someone is illegal. :P
I'm just admitting that I'm human and perhaps I've never resorted to violence because I've never been provoked to that extreme.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 15 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Couldn't just post the link, eh?
[–]kloo2yoo 8 points9 points10 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
not advisable.
Firstly, it gives rise to 'downvote brigade accusations' (though that accusation will likely be made here anyway).
Secondly, there's less chance of ninja-editing.
[–]Wulibo 7 points8 points9 points 15 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
as much as I want to disagree that regardless of wether this is fake, things like this happen all the time, and you kind of missed the point, I would like for the link to be posted instead of a picture a) just to be sure it's real, b) just to be sure OP isn't karma whoring.
[–]mellowgreen 7 points8 points9 points 15 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Its easy to find by checking his comment history.
http://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/igjkj/most_bizarre_person_youve_ever_dated/c23r2om?context=5
[–]InternetPowered 11 points12 points13 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Clicking some links on the Internet?!
Fuck that!
[–]dickseverywhere444 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
firstworldproblems
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I didn't miss the point of his submission. I wanted the link, instead of a karmic slutting screencap.
[–]omdoks 3 points4 points5 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
it's classier, discourages a downvote brigade
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And when someone posts the link instead, people cry about creating downvote brigades and other bullshit. Can't win for losing.
[–]akuta 62 points63 points64 points 15 years ago (29 children) | Copy Link
I find it mildly ironic that what seems to be a female is condoning female on male violence... I'm certain she wouldn't agree that if she kicked the guy in the testicles that he should then punch her teeth out of her mouth... When will these people learn that violence is never a rational answer to anything? A guy spit in your face? Return in kind or move on.
OP: You're not the troll in that exchange.
[–]cbeck287[S] 22 points23 points24 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Thanks. All I was looking for was a reasonable opinion regarding the situation but they kept spouting absurd bullshit. They talk about wanting to be viewed as equals, but apparently they're allowed to inflict violence upon us and it doesn't work both ways.
[–]akuta 8 points9 points10 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, it is unfortunate that we have been dealt this one-sided sword; however, there are many great things that come along with being male (as many of us males know). I usually take the whole misandry thing as what it is: pent up hatred of a single person who destroyed the well-being of another.
Violence is not the solution, but they find that violence is the solution because they think that's all we men understand... Unfortunate that we do not stand up as a group and voice our concerns openly without fear of being labeled one way or another. No one should be victim to violence.
[–]inyouraeroplane 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If you went the "eye for an eye" path and either punched her in the ovaries or kicked her in the twat, you'd still be the asshole.
[–]akuta 2 points3 points4 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree that that's how you'd be seen.
Unfortunately, "equal treatment" is a guise for "equal or better treatment." By all means I treat all of the women in my life as wonderfully as I can... But I do it because I want to, not because I've been bullied or guilted into it.
I swear, it still amazes me the amount of violence that goes unchecked and overlooked (a sickening amount to say the least) merely because it goes from female to male. (By no means would I condone it either way)
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[–]YesImSardonic 12 points13 points14 points 15 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Difference between spitting and striking. Big difference.
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[–]YesImSardonic 4 points5 points6 points 15 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
For the record: I have not downvoted you. That I think I have to say that is rather sad.
Anyway, the devil's in the degree of response. Females have seriously struck me before. Would you say that I had the right to drop them?
[+]kimb00 -9 points-8 points-7 points 15 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Well, "drop her".... Did she "drop" you?
I really don't think that fighting is the solution to anything... But we're all human. I think if anyone strikes anyone else, then they are entering a fight --even if it's a very small man fighting a very large woman, or vice versa.
I think the key here is knowing your own strength. If a woman slaps you in the face, with poor upper body strength, and then you break her jaw and knock her unconscious, that would be considered a poor reaction... but slap her back? Sure, if you're too angry to walk away.
Back to the subject at hand... since no physical injury occurred, I can see that a debilitating kick to the balls is unwarranted. But this is multiple threats over a period of time...? It seems that the only thing that did stop him was being punched in the face. Would she have been able to punch him in the face hard enough to make him stop? Or would he have then, in turn, gone crazy (as he seems to be) and severely beat her? Maybe in this situation it may have called for an extreme escalation... but I really think it's difficult to apply a hard and fast rule in cases of self-defense vs abuse when one party is physically stronger. I know for one thing tho, you definitely cannot draw the line at sex alone.
EDIT: And thank you, I am about to give up; no one wants to have a rational conversation.
[–]TheGDBatman 9 points10 points11 points 15 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
I can't believe I have to say this again, but...
One of the first lessons a young boy learns on the playground is "Don't hit people bigger than you or they'll kick your ass, and you'll deserve it". Hitting someone back is called "self-defence", and it's a fantastic way to stop someone from hitting you. So yes, if a woman hits a dude, and she happens to have a glass jaw, it's her own goddamn fault.
[–]ExpendableOne 2 points3 points4 points 15 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Wait...so you don't think it's right to hit a women back but then you think it's perfectly acceptable to hit a man in the groin(something which is in the intent of causing far worse pain and could possibly result in significant/permanent damage to that man's reproductive/hormonal capabilities, as well as cause sexual emotional/psychological harm)? You don't see how that might not be a completely misandric double-standard?
[–]YeOldeBaconWhoure 6 points7 points8 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
If she wants to be equal so bad, then she can't bitch about being hit in the face. Women don't even know what they want.
Kicking a guy in his nuts is not the right answer, unless perhaps he's legitimately trying to rape or murder you. It's a fucking cheap shot and any woman that does it outside of the situation I mentioned is a stupid, irrational fucking cunt.
And before anyone starts, I am, indeed, female.
[–]girlwriteswhat 2 points3 points4 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This is what my parents taught me, too. That you hit first, you get what you get. Mess with the bull, you get the horns. That's life.
Again, I think it would probably do women on the whole nothing but good to be subject to a mild beating once in their lives, so they know what it's like--painful enough that they won't subject someone else to it unless it's called for, not so horrible that it's something to be in terror of, and something they don't have some special immunity to.
Being beaten up once as a kid made me less apt to employ violence, but also less scared of it if it should ever be unavoidable.
[–]AllNamesAreGone 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It may be a poor choice for the man to have applied that much force when much less would have been necessary, but it was a worse choice for the woman to get in a fight with a guy twice her size.
[–]TheGDBatman 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
When you're defending yourself from an assault, you don't think about whether or not you're using too much force. You think about ending the assault.
[–]ExpendableOne 2 points3 points4 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I am about to give up; no one wants to have a rational conversation.
If this is about the downvotes you're getting, you are making a false rationalization/generalization. A downvote doesn't mean someone doesn't want to have a rational conversation(though, what qualifies as rational in this case is still completely subjective), it just means that someone really doesn't like or is offended by what you have posted; which by no means bars them from replying to your post.
[–]akuta 5 points6 points7 points 15 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Assumptions? Hardly. Your statement is rather clear. You have absolutely no right to determine who should and should not have the right to reproduce (obviously, due to your compete lack of rationale).
I suggest you actually go learn what trolling is before you start an attempt at a man-bash and get upset that someone is defending their position. The statement check made was no different from what you made... Are YOU a troll?
[–]Dericko1986 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I found a picture of Kimb00.
[+]kimb00 -6 points-5 points-4 points 15 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Hardly. Your statement is rather clear.
Ever heard of Darwin Awards? Are you profoundly offended by those as well?
I suggest you actually go learn what trolling is before you start an attempt at a man-bash and get upset that someone is defending their position.
Oh fuck off. Man bash? Really? That's the language that you guys use here? Hm... Let's see. Goes into a women-oriented subreddit, looks for thread on "worst date ever", picks the most off the cuff comment he can find, then bitches when no one responds at the level he's asking. I've already tried posting the context.
Keeping in mind, this is who you're defending:
...Then one day, he mentioned that he loved using prostitutes, and would often call one over when I left. That was a bit of a deal breaker for me, and when I told him that, he started spitting in my face over and over and over again. I'd see him around town and he'd still spit on me til next boyfriend punched him in the face for it.
I can't think of any sane person (male or female) that wouldn't respond with violence in that situation.
Also, I didn't say "CASTRATE THE FUCKER" (as you so cavalierly imply), I said "gonna go out on a limb here and say that a guy who resorts to spitting to resolve his grievances probably shouldn't be reproducing". And if you would get that self-righteous stick out of your ass, you'd probably agree that this jackass should not be having children.
But I can see that you've already crucified me... So I really don't know why I bother.
[–]akuta 5 points6 points7 points 15 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Now, now. I didn't say that you offended me. Who's got the assumption going now? BTW, the Darwin Awards are talking about people doing stupid things that get them killed, thus carrying on the cycle of Survival of the Fittest... I'd venture that spitting on someone isn't something that should get someone killed. It's not even an equal comparison. Strawman much?
Oh fuck off. Man bash? Really? That's the language that you guys use here? Hm... Let's see. Goes into a women-oriented subreddit, looks for thread on "worst date ever", picks the most off the cuff comment he can find, then bitches when no one responds at the level he's asking. I've already tried posting the context. Keeping in mind, this is who you're defending:
Fuck off? Nah... You can go fuck off if that's what you wish to do. As for what the person did: Sounds a lot like what many women do on the MensRights subredit all the time... Perhaps you should stick around more than just trying to defend yourself. ;) And for the record, I was defending no one. I said he wasn't the troll in that exchange.
I can't think of any sane person (male or female) that wouldn't respond with violence in that situation. Also, I didn't say "CASTRATE THE FUCKER" (as you so cavalierly imply), I said "gonna go out on a limb here and say that a guy who resorts to spitting to resolve his grievances probably shouldn't be reproducing". And if you would get that self-righteous stick out of your ass, you'd probably agree that this jackass should not be having children. But I can see that you've already crucified me... So I really don't know why I bother.
No, dear citizen, I didn't say you said that, nor did I imply as much. Stop trying to create emotional strawman arguments to attempt to sway the reader. You are making yourself look very, very ignorant. How about you stop playing the "poor me" bullshit and look at it for what it was: Regardless of where it was you were warranting a judgement upon a person for spitting on another, to which someone replied "then I guess crazy women should have their rights to reproduction removed as well" (paraphrased of course)... But the difference is, you also took exception to the statement. Grow up.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that women who feel the need to emasculate a man for standing up for his right to be a man shouldn't be allowed to reproduce... See what I did there? I certainly hope so. It's called sarcasm.
I think it's time to grow up.
One last thing: I didn't warrant the guy spitting on the girl. He's obviously a dirtbag... But it doesn't warrant kicking him in the balls or introducing violence. The guy's boyfriend is a coward for hitting him over something that could have been dealt with legally and all of the women condoning physical violence toward him are also cowards. Hiding behind fear with violence as a weapon.
[–]ExpendableOne 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
On a thread entirely devoted to attacking me... hm.
And for good reasons but, at the end of the day, this tread is really attacking your general point-of-view; not necessarily you specifically. You could certainly take this as an opportunity to reflect on your own views and misandric predispositions(or, at the very least, why some might take offense to them).
No, I was saying that someone who repetitively tries to solve their issues by spitting on people shouldn't be a parent.
That's not your call to make and it's especially not your right/entitlement to enforce. If I said "hey, this girl is a completely misandric bitch; she shouldn't have the right to reproduce(especially not if there's a chance she might mother a son), have sex or even date men", should it be my right to try and impose that on you?
I think ad hominems undermine your entire argument.
I don't necessarily agree with the use of put downs but, on the other hand, I wouldn't really call this an ad-hominem either. Men are taught from a very young age that they have to be responsible with their own strengths(or weaknesses of others) and that they have to be accountable for abusing those strengths; this is no different. Women like yourself do have to grow up and learn how to both be responsible with the strengths you possess and be accountable for abusing those strengths.
I don't necessarily agree that every argument should end in court. I really don't have a problem with two consenting adults fighting.
A kick to the groin isn't really "fighting"(much less "consensual fighting", when that person involved would not only most definitely not be consenting to getting kicked in the groin but would also have no real way to retaliate equally); it's assault/sexual assault and it is most definitely a use of excessive force when used as a response for spitting. What you're saying is basically the equivalent of "if some girl slapped a guy in the face, then he would be vindicated in physically raping her as a response".
[–]akuta 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I am not going to stick around if the only invitation I get is an entire thread devoted to downvoting me... and you wonder why I'm on the defensive?
And yet did you see me specifically suggest you should be downvoted? Absolutely not, yet here you are... Arguing with me. Stop making excuses.
Shall we start honoring ALL "poor me" mentalities now? I never suggested that someone be violently punished for their poor reactions that do not inflict harm upon others (in the previous case, the person spitting on the woman, no matter how disgusting of a person it makes them nor in the current case, you suggesting that someone be prevented from reproducing because of their lack of social skills). Using your own standard of judgement, you yourself would be prevented from having children whether you wanted to have them or not... Shall we continue going down this particular path?
You said that someone who results to spitting should not be allowed to reproduce. This has nothing to do with "being a parent." Stop trying to spin your words to make yourself sound better... Admit you made a mistake and move on.
If you're referring to this post, no, I didn't take any exception to the statement; I simply said that it was a misunderstanding.
I was referring to the interaction as a whole. You, by proxy, were condoning physical violence along with the rest of the man-bashers in the thread. Were all of the responses like that? No... However, I suggest you take a look at percentages.
And the fact that you took this as an attack on your person speaks volumes for you as an individual. I think it's time to grow up as a society and as a species... Should we squander our limited resources and time on beating each other's faces (or testicles) or learn to move on from violent responses to non-violent stimuli?
And who said the person who was punched in the face consented? That's the problem... It's most common that the victim of the violence didn't agree to a violent end to the confrontation. Look further than the end of your nose, please.
[+]bobcat -6 points-5 points-4 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
If someone spit on me I would kick him in the balls. It is totally justified.
There doesn't seem to be any real men around here, just whiners.
AHAHAHAHAH.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nah, you're correct and the girl there can't tell right from wrong. One thing though, you might be taking it too seriously. People aren't exactly rational when they are angry, and even less when they become a group o angry people. So there's no use arguing there (not that I wouldn't try it either =P).
[–]Garandir 9 points10 points11 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
In kindergarten I was kneed in the nuts by a girl, because I found out who she liked. My left testicle was practically smashed, leaving me infertile. If there's one thing I can't stand, it's women smacking nuts.
[–]YeOldeBaconWhoure 3 points4 points5 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This really depresses me.
[–]ExpendableOne 15 points16 points17 points 15 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
Genital assault/forced-trauma like this is completely unacceptable, even if it was instigated by being spat in the face. There is no reason why society should take this kind sexual assault against men for granted the way it is now(women especially, since they not only have little to relate to in terms of pain/fear/consequences, and tend to be taught to see men and male sexuality with little more than disdain and apathy, but they also tend to be held far less accountable for their actions, especially when it comes to violence towards men).
If the genders were reversed, and a woman spat in a man's face(which isn't all that uncommon), would anyone ever really cheer him on to respond by grabbing a lead pipe, stuffing it down her uterus and then wobble it around in the hopes of causing as much damage as possible to her ovaries(possibly causing permanent damage, permanent hormonal instability, permanent infertility and life-altering emotional/psychological damages - more severe than anything that could have ever resulted from rape or other forms of sexual assault)? No, no one in their right mind would ever legitimately vindicate this. If anything, I'm pretty sure that it would be considered an atrocity by just about any social/ethical standards; yet somehow it's still considered acceptable or harmless(even something to encourage, as TwoXC has so eagerly chosen to demonstrate) to attack men in much the same way(or in it's closest physical equivalent).
[+]surfnsound -9 points-8 points-7 points 15 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Well if an evil man-pig is shoving a lead pipe in a woman's uterus he's obviously enjoying it and probably ejaculated in his pants
[–]Wulibo 7 points8 points9 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
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[–]surfnsound 4 points5 points6 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
-10? Did I just Poe Law myself?
[–]AllNamesAreGone 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, yes you did.
[–][deleted] 28 points29 points30 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Oh they are so oppressed. What with their empowered violence... wait a minute...
And their downvote brigades for anyone who says they don't get to take away others' fertility.
It's always wrong for someone to say "No, you can't get an abortion. I'm limiting your reproductive choice." but not wrong to say "Kick to the nuts, he spit on me! Bye bye, reproductive ability."
[–]Rabbitbunny -1 points0 points1 point 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Feminists aren't really known for recognizing dissonance.
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Person thinking potentially taking away someones reproductive rights through blunt force trauma for being spat on = wow what a complete dumbfuck
Person thinking it is ever ok to assault someone and not have something potentially awful happen = wow what a complete dumbfuck
Solution: do not fucking spit on people It is assault and some people will react quite violently to it. If I were to look at any situation where violence was a factor I only marginally give a shit who got the worst of it, I am more interested in who turned it physical.
[–]Hindu_Wardrobe 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
hey look! common sense!
[–]Scott2508 5 points6 points7 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
id go so far as to say kimboo is the troll, anyone who can see nothing wrong with that sort of harm and is so happy to make light of the risk deserve all they get .
[–]ThePigman 5 points6 points7 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Okay, so i will follow the advice, and if a woman ever spits on me i'll kick her in the crotch so hard she'll be wearing her womb on her head.
[–]GunOfSod 2 points3 points4 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This tends to happen when you point out hypocrisies that challenge a persons cognitive equilibrium. They resolve their dissonance by either accepting they're applying double standards, or more often than not replying with an insult.
My wife on a rare occasion makes joking gestures toward a nutshot. My response is always "if you want punched in the ovary, go right ahead and balltag me. When I get off the floor, it'll be payback time."
EDIT: Bold
[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm going to go ahead and say you were taking the nut shot comment a lot more seriously than she was delivering it.
[–]Davethe3rd 7 points8 points9 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
To quote an old issue of Maxim's (yeah, I know) Man Rules:
"A kick to the groin should only be used in cases of mortal or ass peril".
Basically, nut-shots are only okay if you want to do serious lifetime damage to the man.
Also, OP's not trolling at all here and makes legitimate points, but dude, you know where you were... You know the audience of that SubReddit... You weren't trolling, but there's a good chance that you probably knew better... ;)
I'm reminded of something I once read in the Dilbert Principle (MR's hatred of Scott Adams notwithstanding):
"If a woman cusses out a man, she's a hero and he probably deserved it.
If a man cusses out a woman, he gets 3 months in prison." (He wrote this with sarcasm.)
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Scott Adams actually 'gets' it, for the most part.
He's just a pussy. He admits as much.
[–]bombld 2 points3 points4 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
TIL having an opinion makes you a troll.
[–]porkchop_d_clown 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Only when your opinion disagrees with the hivemind.
[–]cooj -1 points0 points1 point 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you disagree with a woman, you're part of the "hate brigade".
[–]kronox 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
"Why yes. I'm a magic troll from the mystical space voice called sarcasmos."
[–]TheGDBatman -1 points0 points1 point 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm definitely using that.
Just wondering, what about in a scenario where a woman is being physically attacked by a man, is it then acceptable for her to kick him in the crotch? Not that I've ever been in this situation, but I feel like I'd probably kick him in the balls and run away if it was me.
[–]Edamus 3 points4 points5 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Bruce Lee followed the idea of injure to degree -- his main proponent of his art of Jeet Kune Do was a round or straight kick to the nuts. If someone hits me, I'm going to jab you in the eyes and kick you in the nuts -- repeatedly -- until you fall down. If you injure my family, so help you god. To say there is no justification for being kicked in the nuts, then that's absurd. One must understand the "injure to degree" idea... If you were about to get raped, then yeah... justifiable. If you were looked at funny, then yeah, no.
tl;dr -- injure to degree: about to get raped, okay. Looked at funny, kick the shin.
[–]FazedOut 2 points3 points4 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bruce Lee meant that fighting style as a way to save your life, true. Bite, kick, whatever. In that situation, it is absolutely justified. Spitting on him wouldn't make him drop the hammer. Just to build upon your comment:
Only an idiot would have tried to provoke Bruce Fucking Lee.
Yeah what the fuck is it with that on reddit. I get that a lot too.
[–]magister0 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't have the full context of this, but I think if someone spits on you, you have the right to physically respond.
[–]ECook073 2 points3 points4 points 15 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
False trolling accusations warrant a kick in the nuts.
[–]cbeck287[S] 11 points12 points13 points 15 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Or a punch in the ovaries!
[–]rapidfire3 4 points5 points6 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Nothing warrants a punch in the ovaries
[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Are you a troll?
[–]cbeck287[S] 7 points8 points9 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
but...but...what if she spits in your face! certainly there isn't any other reasonable reaction right?!?!?
CUNT PUNT!
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If some guy actually spat in her face
on a first date
she must be a fucking lousy date.
[–]Hindu_Wardrobe 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
yeah, totally her fault
[–]porkchop_d_clown 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, I know how you feel - I get that a lot.
Trolls do not generally reveal that they are trolling when asked about it. Otherwise it would not be trolling.
[–]AnnArchist -2 points-1 points0 points 15 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
To be fair, I get spat on, I am going to injure the spitter until they are no longer a threat to spread diseases to me. . .
[–]kimb00 4 points5 points6 points 15 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
And to be fair, here's the context of the spitting:
Then one day, he mentioned that he loved using prostitutes, and would often call one over when I left. That was a bit of a deal breaker for me, and when I told him that, he started spitting in my face over and over and over again. I'd see him around town and he'd still spit on me til next boyfriend punched him in the face for it. I think he had some issues I didn't pick up on.
[–]AnnArchist 2 points3 points4 points 15 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Surprised she let it go on for that long.
[–]kimb00 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I'm surprised that this is worthy of the mensrights hate bridgade.
[–]AnnArchist -1 points0 points1 point 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Its not. . . I don't get the outrage. . .
[–]YeOldeBaconWhoure -4 points-3 points-2 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You wouldn't
[–]cbeck287[S] 14 points15 points16 points 15 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I don't think going for the nuts is a reasonable reaction.
Getting the hell out of that situation as quickly as possible both ensures that they are no longer a threat to spread diseases to you and does not inflict bodily harm. You could file a police report after the fact. Trying to solve the situation with violence seems like it would only escalate the situation and make it worse for all parties involved, yourself included!
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Spitting on someone is almost a guaranteed way to start a fight.
Source: all of my school years
[–]cbeck287[S] 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Did all of those fights begin with a swift kick to the nuts or was that something you rarely saw?
Spitting usually led to shoving...
[–]AnnArchist -1 points0 points1 point 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
heh, it only makes it worse if you get caught.
[–]Rabbitbunny -1 points0 points1 point 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What the hell? You're normally so reasonable...
[–]AnnArchist 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well. . . I guess I'm operating under the assumption I (well, my group of friends and I) would win the confrontation and flee the area. . .
[–]chavelah 4 points5 points6 points 15 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I'm with you. Anybody whose bodily fluids make unconsensual contact with me is going to find themselves incapacitated. Given my size and weight, knee-to-the-groin is one option I always have to consider. But it would not be my first choice. A blunt instrument to the head would be my first choice. People (Westerners, anyhow) who are so far gone that they're breaking the no-spitting social taboo are dangerous as hell.
[–]kronox 4 points5 points6 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Are you suggesting that only "westerners" spit on people or am i reading that wrong?
[–]chavelah 2 points3 points4 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You are reading it wrong. I was suggesting that spitting on people is such a huge taboo in Western cultures that the person who breaks it is truly out of control (at least in that moment), and thus, very very scary. While I'm sure that spitting is RUDE in every human culture, I'm not sure it constitutes a crazy-person-level social lapse among all peoples.
[–]kronox 2 points3 points4 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good point. Spitting is seen as a violent assault in western culture. Perhaps because of the risk of disease.
In a thread advocating measured responses and a respect for bodily integrity, I find this comment a little disturbing.
Unless you're joking. Then I just find myself humorless this morning.
If somebody spat in my face, I would kick him in the nuts, then proceed to smash his face.
I don't see the problem here.
And yes, I'm a male.
[–]rndthms 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
What would you do if a woman spat in your face?
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Headbutt to the ovaries, of course.
I LOVE that this comment gets upvotes here, but your original one doesn't.
Oh MR. You're so adorable.
[–]thesnakeinthegarden 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You are completely correct and the other person is wrong. I hate to see reason and logic spat at.
[–]s0nicfreak -3 points-2 points-1 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It is disturbing to me that most of the US thinks nothing of permanently disfiguring male genitals.
Any woman that supports kicking a guy in the nuts deserves a knife up her vag.
[–]deadEnd3r 4 points5 points6 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What about guys that support kicking guys in the nuts?
[–]magister0 6 points7 points8 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
KICK THEM IN THE NUTS
[+]ScarletJew72 -16 points-15 points-14 points 15 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
Although I'm all for the men's rights movement, I'm gonna say that an incredibly rude and immature action deserves an incredibly rude and immature reaction. Getting kicked in the balls, included.
This isn't some random crazy woman trying to make innocent men infertile. It's a reaction to rude behavior.
The person is getting kicked in the nuts. Not having his ball sack repeatedly stomped on, or any truly malicious action such as that. I've been kicked/slapped in the nuts many times (by my guy friends), and in no instance have I been afraid about my fertility in the future. It's brief pain and nothing more.
It's the same mentality that I believe if a guy calls a girl a whore, she's allowed to slap him in the face as hard as she can.
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So being rude justifies physical violence? Does that mean that if a girl calls me a creep I can knock her lights out?
Oh, no you only meant physical violence against men, by women. Let me guess, he should man up and get over it?
[–]Halk 15 points16 points17 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The point that you've entirely missed is that one kick to the nuts can cause serious and permanant damage, including infertility.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 15 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
And vice-versa?
Perhaps you've been hit in the nuts too many times?
[+]ScarletJew72 -7 points-6 points-5 points 15 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I will never induce great physical harm to a person who is physically weaker than I, unless my life is in danger. Man or woman.
[–]Halk 11 points12 points13 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Something about that seems to me to be wrong. Why do you stipulate "physically weaker than I"?
Why not just "I will never physical induce harm to a person, unless life is in danger?"
How much can you bench? I'm going to go on a diet, lose some weight, and then kick the shit out of you cause you can't hit me back. nah nah nah nah!
You have a low opinion of women, or perhaps the reverse.
The reality is conflict is not arm wrestling, who can bench more will not decide much.
I can't bench much, if I were to see you I would kick you in the nuts.
You should generally not hurt people, but if someone does do something which you feel justifies retribution then their size should not factor into the equation. If you only start fights with people bigger than you you will never win any fights.
I'd never start a fight, but if someone attacked me I'd respond irregardless of their size.
[–]AllNamesAreGone 7 points8 points9 points 15 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Misandry?
IMHO whoever strikes first physically is in the wrong. There are a few exceptions, but the effects of words compared to physical violence makes that jump a huge thing. If somebody calls me names (and honestly, your situation is just name-calling), I'm not going to hit them. If they move to physical violence, I'm going to make sure that they can't harm me, either through GTFO'ing from there, or as a last resort reciprocating with violence.
edit: This applies to both genders. I don't like fighting, but I will if I have to.
[–]xzxzzx 8 points9 points10 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I've been kicked/slapped in the nuts many times (by my guy friends), and in no instance have I been afraid about my fertility in the future.
Your ignorance of consequences doesn't make a very good argument.
[–]DuchessofYanks 2 points3 points4 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I seriously doubt you'd be singing the same tune if the roles were reversed. Your logic has deemed that if you call a man a "player" or just "man whore", he is allowed to slap you in the face as hard as he can. Oh no, wait, it's ok for you to do it because you're a woman, my mistake.
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 15 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Why are you being upvoted?
[+]ScarletJew72 -16 points-15 points-14 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
because I'm being reasonable?
I've been hit in the balls before, also. Maybe you have been desensitized to it but let me tell you, it really fucking hurts. Go be a white knight somewhere else, please.
[–]AntiFeministMedia 11 points12 points13 points 15 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
reasonable?
I was knee'd in the groin by a female when I was 10 years old.
I went to the toilet a short time later and was pissing blood. I had to go to hospital and have a tube inserted into my penis, which was extremely painful. I remember crying my eyes out.
Just because some female thought it would be fun to knee me in the groin.
[+]fxexular -8 points-7 points-6 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Ahahahaha. You have got to be fucking kidding me. This has to take the cake as the most pathetic excuse for a mens rights issue I have ever seen. You should all be fucking ashamed of yourselves you petty-minded morons.
[–]porkchop_d_clown 7 points8 points9 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
... speaking of trolls....
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
But chavs aren't people and if you caused infertility to one, you'd be doing your country a favour.
[–]Revorob -1 points0 points1 point 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
On the one occasion a chick tried to knee me in the nuts, I knee-blocked it and decked her in self-defence.
'Nuff said.
[–]parlezmoose -1 points0 points1 point 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wut? Dude, if you spit in someone's face you deserve a swift kick to the nuts.
[+]kimb00 -6 points-5 points-4 points 15 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Way to include context.
How about you include the ORIGINAL post?
wakatopatopa: ...Then one day, he mentioned that he loved using prostitutes, and would often call one over when I left. That was a bit of a deal breaker for me, and when I told him that, he started spitting in my face over and over and over again. I'd see him around town and he'd still spit on me til next boyfriend punched him in the face for it. monstermash-up: He...he...spit on you? Oh, I believe that calls for a shot to the nuts right there. There's just so much crazy in this one I don't even have words. Good on your boyfriend for taking care of business. cbeck287: Guy here, nothing calls for a shot to the nuts. monstermash-up: I'm sorry, but spitting in my face? That's when my gloves would be off. cbeck287 Just be aware that a "shot to the nuts" could easily result in a hernia, or even worse, infertility.
monstermash-up: He...he...spit on you? Oh, I believe that calls for a shot to the nuts right there. There's just so much crazy in this one I don't even have words. Good on your boyfriend for taking care of business.
cbeck287: Guy here, nothing calls for a shot to the nuts.
monstermash-up: I'm sorry, but spitting in my face? That's when my gloves would be off.
cbeck287 Just be aware that a "shot to the nuts" could easily result in a hernia, or even worse, infertility.
To which I finally responded: Gonna go out on a limb here and say: Guy who resolves his grievances by spitting on people shouldn't be reproducing.
But sure, call on the hate brigade. Against ME personally.
[–]TheGDBatman 8 points9 points10 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
there are many cultures in the world where guys would rather take a shot to the nuts.
[citation needed]
[–]rantgrrl 10 points11 points12 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
grow a pair.
Because courage is really only associated with testicles, thus men.
All women are cowards by default.
Interesting.
So you just want a man to grow a pair of anything.
How would this help him, or the discussion?
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's because of self defense classes like this
Excuse the weird sound editing, this is the only video I could find.
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Pre-Owned-Car -3 points-2 points-1 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Are you a wizard?
[+][deleted] -11 points-10 points-9 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A kick to the nuts can cause infertility?
puts on ol' steel toes
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