Don't men also consent to relationships?

wtknight · 2022-05-20T16:59:49+00:00

Re-flaired as CMV as this post is essentially making an affirmative claim.

wtknight · 2022-05-20T17:03:57+00:00

Men with self-respect consent to relationships. Desperate men with no self-respect arguably do not, though. The men who make this argument are assuming that no man has any self-respect and they will just jump through whatever hoops some woman asks him to jump through.

Apprehensive_Boat_70 · 2022-05-20T16:13:26+00:00

Men do consent, two people are not together if one doesnt wants to.

Even a man who struggles or takes whatever he can gets, he is still conseting at the end of the day because he isnt forced to be there.

Hungry-Adagio2152 · 2022-05-20T17:26:15+00:00

Men absolutely choose who they want to be dating. The worst place you can be mentally for a guy is thinking “well, there’s nothing else coming-so I guess I better go with this one.” I was there once as a college kid who had little luck in HS, and the chick that I ultimately married while in that mindset-whom I wasn’t even all that attracted to - eventually took advantage of me in ways I never would have anticipated. So yes, men need to choose a lot better than they do, and they need to walk away from a lot more women that are up to no good.

localmicrodosechamp · 2022-05-20T19:46:54+00:00

Men really make it seem like they pursue women, ask her out, ask to make it official, propose, get married, and have kids through some kind of disassociative event despite the fact that in the vast majority of circumstances, they initiate each of these steps.

Jonesdm5 · 2022-05-20T17:58:13+00:00

So what I’m reading in the comment section is men cannot consent to relationships because they are desperate? Is this for real?

Smoogs2 · 2022-05-20T16:01:36+00:00

I think so. They eventually consent to relationships, if not necessarily at the outset. And men to get all caught up on a single girl, even attractive ones. Men consent to relationships for the simple fact that men can and often dump their girlfriends. I think their ability to consent is certainly constrained though.

YoviQ · 2022-05-21T00:00:40+00:00

Last I checked, it takes two to want to be in a relationship for there to be a relationship, so...what's the point of this question?

doshkhaleesi · 2022-05-20T16:12:11+00:00

They remove male agency as a way of pre-emptively placing themselves in victim mode. It falls apart when plenty of men who could have lots of women (*cough*Johnny Depp*cough*) choose the abusive bitch anyway, and we need to find another way to hamster away men's agency in choosing badly. Women are never allowed to hamster away agency in choosing badly. Husband doesn't do any chores? He's not lazy -- you chose him! Well, if that loser got a girlfriend who works and cleans, how does the argument men have "no options and take whatever they can get" stand? "Women like losers" and around and around it goes...

Men on this sub simply cannot see themselves at fault in any situation.

sarkington · 2022-05-20T15:57:59+00:00

I didn’t think today could get better but that comment you received is all time awesome in my book

“Copulins”! Vaginas are mind control devices!

Please send that to r/nothowgirlswork and r/badfemaleanatomy

ruboyuri · 2022-05-20T19:04:51+00:00

Some men like to pretend they do not to feel better about themselves and deflect responsibility

Because the actual problem is that women have to consent to relationships

Ambassadior · 2022-05-20T19:45:36+00:00

Men can't control who they are attracted to instinctually just like women can't control the "ick" that shuts them down. What men do usually do is limit their exposure to women until they meet one that is feasible to date. That's their version of "choosing" I suppose.

Flightlessbirbz · 2022-05-20T17:29:59+00:00

They say men are the gatekeepers of relationships, and while it’s a bit more complicated than that, men definitely pick and choose who they will and won’t be in relationships with. And from what I’ve seen, it basically never works out if the woman actively “chooses” and the man just goes along with it. He will get resentful and not value her. Like as a woman, I can tell when a woman is after a guy. But nothing is gonna happen unless he decides he wants it to, all women usually do is make themselves obviously available. And because of this, there’s a post here every other day wishing women would make the first move.lol

Now... mind altering vaginal secretions... that sure escalated quickly.lol I must admit I’ve never heard of this before, but I have heard of something similar in men’s semen. So if there’s any truth to that, men also seem to have a similar mechanism. But I think it’s obvious that neither vaginal secretions nor semen unbreakably bond people who have sex. Men especially seem to have no problem hopping from one partner to the next. Things like that are going to have a relatively subtle effect, if any, compared to simply spending time and physical closeness with someone.

SexPozzyMustard · 2022-05-21T01:01:10+00:00

They consent to relationships with terrible women because they are horny and desperate then play the victim "waa waa i got no options in the dating market waa waa".

I have rejected several girls because they weren't virgins. I am not desperate enough to forsake my dignity, i lnow i have options. There are several virgin women out there.

To sum it up, most guys who complain about "muh options" do not have the willpower to stay alone until someone good appears PLUS they prefer easy women, who tend to make for terrible partners.

SmarmyPapsmears · 2022-05-20T17:03:22+00:00

Simply LVM don't get options, and feel forced to date what they can.

HVM have tons of options and feel tied down when asked to commit.

Idk why people wanna make it more complicated than that.

NewWayNow · 2022-05-20T20:05:54+00:00

The whole female selection hypothesis is wildly exaggerated for humans. If there is a species-wide effect at all, it is mild.

Demographics are a far more important factor in influencing mate selection, in my opinion. Where there's an excess of men, women get very choosy and behave poorly. And vice versa.

Men have plenty of agency -- in the right circumstances. The conditions of modern Western countries are, for most men, not those circumstances.

sarkington · 2022-05-20T16:02:10+00:00

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DerekMorganBAU · 2022-05-20T16:13:14+00:00

Any man that doesn’t take pussy served to him on a silver platter has low T (if the woman is passable) only in the sense that he knows he’s getting easy access to pussy, which is the main motivation of men wanting to lock down women

GroundFuzzy606 · 2022-05-20T16:42:10+00:00

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RahLyt · 2022-05-20T18:53:21+00:00

I'm just saying once I start SSRIs it's when I stop having sex with girls I didn't like one bit.

melody_of_ · 2022-05-21T04:19:22+00:00

For many of them its essentially.

"Be defacto locked out of any and all experiences and forms of romantic and sexual intimacy/companionship for your life.

Or

Take what is offered many after so long of being locked out of what many would argue is a fundamental human experience for most.

Sure their still is technically a choice or consent somewhere in that process. But that is the only "agency" most het men will ever know. I think that's the context that these things are said in.

I feel insanely jealous of bisexuals right now 🥴

EnteFetz · 2022-05-21T12:00:25+00:00

Many men have the choice between staying in a bad relationship or being alone. They have the choice between some intimacy and no intimacy at all. Isn't it obvious why they choose to stay in the relationship?

For many men being alone is so depressing and painful that they prefer to pursue women who have obvious red flags over staying alone for many years.

Women don't understand what it means to be single as a man, because girls always get some attention from men, while many men only get female attention while in a relationship.

PMmeareasontolive · 2022-05-21T13:05:09+00:00

Men don't have a choice because they have no selection. That doesn't mean they have to put up with anything or have no standards. But this isn't like buying melons at the market. They can elect to remain single, or they can be open to the rare woman who falls into their orbit and expresses interest for some reason. But those women are rare as comets.

Sometimes libido influences the decision, but not always. There is still risk analysis and harm reduction being done, even when the libido is like that annoyingly positive person at the conference table who keeps saying "yes, let's do this foolish thing, it'll be fun!"

MOProG2 · 2022-06-01T12:34:30+00:00

One way to think about this is that women have less time to play around if their intent is marriage and children and hence are more prone to be the one who pushes sooner for a committed relationship (assuming she actually likes the man).

Don't men also consent to relationships?

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Title	Don't men also consent to relationships?
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Date	May 20, 2022 3:56 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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