Paternal Surrender/Financial Abortion would look a lot different in practice if it ever came to fruition than how it's talked about

Few_Tadpole_779 · 2026-06-25T17:07:07+00:00

Doesn’t abortion also affect women’s time and money though….?

Also I’m pretty sure women who have abortions also face social stigma whether we want to admit it or not

Acrobatic-Monk9735 · 2026-06-25T17:08:26+00:00

Biology already equalizes itself. Women carry the baby and can get an abortion, but pregnancy also risks our lives and leads to weight gain and health issues. Women have menopause and cannot have kids after a certain age. Men can produce kids until they die. Women can only have maybe like 25 kids maximum with nonstop pregnancy. Men can have 2500 kids or more.

We don’t need armies of men vowing to abandon their unborn children to bring “equality”.

middleoftheroad133 · 2026-06-25T20:38:35+00:00

There is no such thing, legally, as prenatal paternity. It doesn’t exist and you’d have to create a legal category for it

One of the reasons it doesn’t exist is because you’d have to prove who the father is and women aren’t even required to know who the father is; and it creates a quagmire of notification, testing and timelines which likely don’t even align with a first trimester abortion cut off

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dogthatwonthunt · 2026-06-25T19:11:01+00:00

Financial Abortion will never be a thing because there's no way to actually legislative it. Because

A fetus is not a legal person, therefore you can not give up rights to it, until it becomes one

There would be no way to hold people to these agreements. birth mothers aren't even held to adoptions until there is a child.

There would be no way to prove it was done in a timely manner or done at someone own free will

preferablyno · 2026-06-25T22:11:22+00:00

Your facts are way wrong it is not a couple hundred at most my friend doesn’t even make a ton of money and he pays $800/mo for one kid

Training-Cook3507 · 2026-06-25T17:08:58+00:00

It sounds great but this causes a different inequality due to burden of pregnancy. It's not fair on women to expect to share their baby with a man who's only contribution is sperm.

What does this mean? Because if the man is only giving their sperm and nothing else, the woman is not sharing the baby. The man is not involved.

And now for you to establish a truly equal system you'd have to declare the male's parental rights to be of the mother's choice to give or not**. This can also screw over men who would have to know they have a kid out there and they have no rights to see them or similar things.**

Very hard to understand this. What does this mean? Somehow a woman shouldn't tell the father she's having a baby? Why?

Essentially the proposed direction of changes (in favor of pure autonomy and rights) to the current system (that's based on feelings and morality) can lead to this dystopia and men are fucked in this regard either way.

So confusing.

AutisticRats · 2026-06-25T18:24:53+00:00

While I would never use the financial abortion option I do think men should be able to have the option to sign away their rights for a certain period of time during the pregnancy. If the woman wishes to continue with the pregnancy instead of having an abortion, then she is choosing to take on the financial responsibility knowing there will be no support from the father. This seems the most fair.

Men shouldn't be able to force a woman to have an abortion, or force women not to have an abortion. On the flip side of this, the government should not force men to support the child financially if the man wants the woman to have an abortion and she doesn't want to.

There is a lot of negative connotation with being a feminist, but I would consider myself a feminist anyway and I'd argue it is actually a feminist viewpoint to be in support of financial abortion for men. Financial abortion allows women to learn early in a pregnancy how committed a man is to their relationship and to their future child. This gives a woman more information to make the best decision for her life. Some may still want to have the child anyway, but others might would have an abortion if they knew the father was going to run away once the child is born.

Outside_Memory5703 · 2026-06-26T00:39:51+00:00

The current system is based on money, as it should be

cantthinkofaname1010 · 2026-06-26T13:30:39+00:00

There are many avenues for a woman to get an abortion regardless of current political climate. This isn't the Stone Age. If a woman brings a pregnancy to term, this is an easily avoidsble conscious decision that she solely makes. Actually you made a decision every single day until it was too late to not get an abortion.

I agree that in most cases the cost for the medication to induce the abortion should be shared 50/50 or taken on by the man. But that's as far as it goes. A man should also have the ability to opt out of fatherhood early on in the pregnancy. Just like a woman can take the child's life legally, a man removing financial support is obviously consistent with that.

Tess27795 · 2026-06-25T17:32:12+00:00

What about the child? Do you really think you should be allowed sex without adult consequences? If this is the case, should you be having sex?

Sex is really for adults and one of the things that can happen to a man is fatherhood. There are tests to prove it is his. Children who cannot meet the possible results of having a sexual relationship should not be having sex.

The judiciary understands that their job should be to protect the vulnerable. This means children caught up in this situation. Any parent that abandons their child is a cruel. Selfish, spoiled and useless, they should be forced by the courts to pay. This includes mothers and fathers.

The rate of misattributed paternity in stable, committed relationships is 1-2%. My husband knows our children are his without a test. Making every man in a committed relationship want a paternity test is just TRP making up more garbage to ruin good relationships. They seem to like to do damage to children.

toasterchild · 2026-06-25T18:07:08+00:00

It's funny how yall completely disregard the needs and rights of the person being brought into this situation without choice. Any discussion about this that doesn't consider the child is fucking pointless.

-Shes-A-Carnival · 2026-06-25T18:46:39+00:00

I know men cant grasp this, but abortion is about "getting out" of pregnancy in your body

NotAllTheCake · 2026-06-25T22:22:21+00:00

PS/FA is proposed to equalise the consequences of sex.

If you wanted to equalize the consequences of sex, men should also have the capability to get pregnant. They don't, so this is a moot point.

Just because women have the right to abortion doesn't automatically entail that men have a right to a financial abortion. Where is the logical reasoning? What is the rational connection?

The right to an abortion is based on bodily autonomy, where no one can be forced to go through pregnancy against their will. That only logically entails that if men get pregnant, they can also access a safe abortion. But just because men don't need an abortion, because they don't get pregnant, does not mean a financial abortion can be substituted in its place.

One is a right conferred to one party due to biology, the other is a legal financial obligation of both parties. They have nothing to do with each other. Furthermore, if women campaigned for abortion rights on the sole basis of avoiding financial obligations, they would have never gotten the right to abortion in the first place.

So not only are men spared pregnancy, childbirth or abortion, they are trying to co-opt and hijack a woman's biological right to abortion to evade financial responsibility for a problem they themselves created. By equating the two concepts, you are ignoring the biological obligation that women are solely responsible for (and men aren't), which is where your logic fails.

men are fucked in this regard either way.

How exactly did a man's sperm get into woman's uterus? Ejaculation is always a planned and deliberate act. Women are only fertile 5 days out of the month. Condom breakage resulting in pregnancy is rare. Men get women pregnant because they neglect to use contraception and repeatedly ejaculate into a woman. Just because men often choose poorly, doesn’t mean they didn't get a choice.

This can also screw over men who would have to know they have a kid out there

Think about how absurd this concept is. A man has the capacity to have children he doesn't know about. Reverse the genders: Would a woman ever have children out there that she doesn't know about?

No. Because women are responsible for every egg that comes out of their body, whether it remains unfertilized or results in pregnancy, abortion or childbirth. Only men have the biological privilege to be that neglectful with their sperm. A woman can't abdicate responsibility with her eggs in the same way.

Men get women pregnant through men's irresponsibility. Women don't get men pregnant through a women's irresponsibility. Financial obligation is the literal least men should be responsible for, because they aren't responsible for anything else.

Solondthewookiee · 2026-06-25T18:36:42+00:00

As always, men who get pregnant have the same exact options as women. Women who do not gestate their child have same exaction options as men.

TermAggravating8043 · 2026-06-25T19:00:45+00:00

I would agree that if a man could prove he did everything possible to avoid an unwanted pregnancy, he has a vasectomy, he uses regular birth control that can be backed up with doctor’s records and he has written confirmation, texts emails etc from the women he’s seeing that they do not wish to have kids, then yes, he should be able to opt out if any financial ties to the women and the child

But we all know that would be too much personal responsibility for a man to take, instead it’s easier to try control women

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LazyyCloud · 2026-06-25T21:29:00+00:00

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Grow_peace_in_Bedlam · 2026-06-26T16:57:09+00:00

I didn't think you were going to defend the detractors of the policies, since you're red pill.

Indeed, I thought you were going to say what I would say if I used this title, which is that it would not lead to a bunch of fatherless kids, since women would adapt and be more careful to choose men who'd make good and present fathers as mates.

Some proponents such as myself also argue that LPS should only be available to unmarried men, so women can also protect themselves by marrying the man before having kids with them.

jorts-enthusiast · 2026-06-26T02:03:34+00:00

The fact that women are the ones who have to take on pregnancy is equalizing enough.

Logos1789 · 2026-06-25T17:36:49+00:00

It wouldn’t work as you suggested because part of paper abortion is that the man surrenders his parental rights…

TheRedPillRipper · 2026-06-25T20:32:16+00:00

>establish financial and material support ~~since the start~~

The most efficient solution is to make financial abortions the default legal footing. Then have men opt in. Thus children minded men can simply opt in prior to conception even happening, and women have all the information they need to make a better informed decision. Before the clothes even come off.

Title	Paternal Surrender/Financial Abortion would look a lot different in practice if it ever came to fruition than how it's talked about
Author	LazyyCloud
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Date	June 25, 2026 4:20 PM UTC (1 month ago)
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