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Barneysparky · 2022-02-23T02:48:38+00:00

The average child support check does not cover the average cost of daycare per month.

It sounds like you think a child can exist on table scraps and a blanket on the floor like a 1960's puppy.

CatchPhraze · 2022-02-23T10:58:17+00:00

You think foodstamp food and shelter is all you should give children? That's insane.

cdreh0 · 2022-02-23T03:51:07+00:00

When my ex-husband and I had a difference in custody, I paid him child support. When he decided that he didn't like our kids and dropped them off on my porch, he now owes me child support. In the US, or at least my state, it's income vs time. No other calculations needed.

Income vs expense for both parties. Including crazy expenses like specialty doctors. Legally he is expected to pay half and I can't muster up the balls to ask his half of things, so I just pay them right now

kissmetilyouredrunk · 2022-02-23T03:25:55+00:00

Women pay child support when the dad takes custody. But men would rather pay then have custody

Odeio_E-grilos · 2022-02-23T02:47:46+00:00

We all know that if the shoe was on the other foot and women had to pay a big chunk of their paycheck every month to the unemployed or underemployed father who they share 50/50 custody with, they would be screaming bloody murder about it.

All people i've discussed this with (including women) said the opposite, actually. Most people think that the higher earner among the parents should pay child support so if the mom makes more money she should pay the father.

errrright · 2022-02-23T03:16:34+00:00

Most people, especially those with children, cannot get by on making just over the required threshold for benefits. Actually the gap between this threshold and the amount it takes to meet cost of living is quite large and this is where government metrics fall short.

In most states, you can’t receive child support and welfare benefits at the same time.

Also, a father with 50/50 custody is unlikely to pay child support. The only issue is that this custody arrangement is uncommon because fathers are less likely to accept and apply for custody than mothers. When fathers actually seek out an equal arrangement, they usually get it.

EntertainerUseful408 · 2022-02-23T06:20:41+00:00

No man here will admit this but we all know that you'd rather pay child support than look after your kids. Stop whining about helping out your poor little kids and buy them something nice. Jeez. If you don't want to pay child support, look after your kids. You can't have your cake and eat it too. They're literally your offspring.

Ok_Razzmatazz_1751 · 2022-02-23T04:09:27+00:00

Not true about us women who had to pay child support , we'd rather pay the child support ,and make our own independent wealth too ,and Still be away from the the butts we divorced, It's logistics of life ,you do what you have to do for your kids, once they turn of age, graduating highschool you move on, it just sounds like a bunch of laziness to be honest opting out financially of taking care of your children and leaving it to the government, what socialism bullshit is this plan .

TAKE CARE OF YOUR OFF SPRING !!!

Edit : My middle son who is now (22) who I sent to go live with his father when he was a teenager , I paid 436.00 a month just for him alone. Did it because that's what a parent does we take care of our children, sounds like a bunch of lazy deadbeats otherwise .

poppy_blu · 2022-02-23T13:50:13+00:00

OP, how much do you think it costs to raise a child?

Because guess what? They still need to eat and wear clothes even when you no longer have access to their mother’s vag.

This attitude is exactly why courts will continue to favor mothers.

flapperfemmefatale · 2022-02-23T05:10:48+00:00

Then more men need to pursue full custody. This just sounds like men don't want to be responsible for their children in any context.

LouisdeRouvroy · 2022-02-23T03:05:14+00:00

Well, it depends on how much is the payment. If you want to have an idea of how much a child costs in a first world country, you can look at the French ministry figures.

In France, child support is calculated by using this table:

https://www.justice.fr/simulateurs/pensions-alimentaire/bareme

You have 3 levels of custody (the less you have the more you pay) and it depends on the number of children These are per child and in euro.

So if you earn 2500 euros a month and you have a reduced custody (some weekends and holidays) then child support is 348 euros a month. If you have 2 kids then it's 300 per child.

Honestly these look fair enough to me.

Have a look and see what child support looks like in your country compared to that by adjusting purchase parity.

I've seen people in the US asked to fork over 1200 USD per kid and such. That's definitely sponsoring the mother.

sarkington · 2022-02-23T04:29:24+00:00

Whatever you think, it’s better than the foster care system. Or no system.

And the best way to have no child support to pay is to raise the kid by yourself and have her pay you. Whaddaya say, daddy-o?

laura6664 · 2022-02-23T03:24:45+00:00

How to say that you're not a parent and have never raised a child alone or for most part:

Suspicious-Pie-5356 · 2022-02-23T07:19:56+00:00

The average cost to raise a single child over a duration of 18 years is around $1 million. That’s $55,000 a year. The average US income is only around $12,000 a year more than that.

chromie96 · 2022-02-23T12:49:17+00:00

You ever raise a child? Its fucking expensive as hell. And even if it wasn't, that child is his child and he should help raise it both financially and by being present.

2022-02-23T15:15:57+00:00

So, I’m not clear here — are you saying that if there’s a divorce and the woman isn’t making much money, she should go on welfare so the dad doesn’t have to pay?

If so, second question: have you ever lived on welfare? Please do not ignore this question as it is rather important.

Initial_Chemical7121 · 2022-02-23T15:33:41+00:00

Men who seethe over child support make no sense. As long as the money is being spent on the child you helped create, why do you care? Don’t you want them to have a good home life where they are primarily at?

YveisGrey · 2022-02-23T16:56:57+00:00

Not sure what this post is saying. If a man and woman divorce and the woman was a stay at home with no income she and her children should live in poverty off government assistance when the father could help out financially? Why the hell would anyone vouch for that?

backcourtjester · 2022-02-23T02:59:59+00:00

It is necessary but I would concede child support needs to be capped much lower than it currently is. It is beyond ridiculous to require someone to pay something like 5 grand per month to an ex

Flightlessbirbz · 2022-02-23T04:32:28+00:00

How much does it cost? A lot. It’s clear you’ve never raised a child and probably never even lived on your own. A single adult can’t actually live on their own on minimum wage working full time, let alone while raising a child. Daycare alone could cost every penny of what someone making minimum wage would bring home. Where are single moms supposed to put their kids while they go to work?

if the shoe was on the other foot

It can be. Child support laws have no respect for gender. If the dad has custody, the mom must also pay child support. But men don’t pursue custody most of the time, so that’s why we think of it as a gendered thing. They’ll talk a big game, but when it comes down to it it’s pretty clear they do not want to trade and be the single parents even if it means receiving rather than paying child support.

Professional_Gold_25 · 2022-02-23T05:36:38+00:00

They're strong, independent women.....until it comes to divorce then they're all suddenly in abusive relationships, broke, struggling and helpless against the patriarchy. Lol.

yayayubsea · 2022-02-23T07:22:49+00:00

Fathers also get child support….my boyfriend gets child and his ex is 6 months behind. Stop generalizing

RealNiceLady · 2022-02-23T08:41:50+00:00

Child support is for mothers not for the children

It's kinda for both of them

It's laughable to me to pretend that the existing system of child support is set up because the government cares about the children.

It does benefit the children though

. The system of child support penalizes men who make good money and aren't deadbeat

The whole point of child support is to compel men to financially support their children

would argue that existing social services should be expanded for everyone

That's liberal big government

child support should be abolished.

Child support is the only way to keep male sexuality accountable and to ensure men care for the children they sire

bubblytoes11 · 2022-02-23T14:25:21+00:00

It is my understanding that receiving child support affords your children the opportunity to stay at the “level of life” to which they have become accustomed. A divorce should have as little impact on children as possible. Do we have a perfect system? Fuck no. Do men get the short end of the stick most of the time? Yep. We need to overhaul our system, but holding a father monetarily responsible for the children whose creation he equally contributed to is fair.

greedyleopard42 · 2022-02-23T03:27:15+00:00

it just depends. if they have 50/50 custody sure, but if a guy is just out of the kids life, he should make a contribution

Dell_Hell · 2022-02-23T15:06:16+00:00

You realize the entire point of child support is to minimize the government assistance needed right?

that's the only reason the government effing cares at all!

bluestjuice · 2022-02-23T16:47:57+00:00

Child support doesn’t exist merely to keep children out of poverty. It’s not designed around the idea of providing a social safety net for children at all, it’s designed around the idea that kids are generally better off if their parents are collaborating towards their well-being financially, emotionally, in terms of sharing custody time, etc. There is also a central idea that it is not in the kids’ best interest to have an enormous disparity of living standards between their two homes.

I understand the knee-jerk inclination to not want to pay cash to an ex who seems to be doing fine financially, but I can’t really imagine why a parent who makes a decent livable income would ever be okay with their kids spending half their time with a parent who can barely afford a place to live, keep food on the table, etc. That’s my kid that I adore - I would never be okay with them suffering privations at at the other parent’s house just to teach my ex a lesson or something.

Thucydides00 · 2022-02-23T18:40:29+00:00

So you're essentially advocating for forcing single income parents to make do with zero financial support from the other parent going towards the child/children which they are still the biological parent of, because for some reason they get to abrogate all responsibility?

food stamps and other social programs are to assist people living in poverty, you want kids to exist on a single, below minimum wage parent's salary, and to rely on welfare to help them survive with the absolute bare minimum, assuredly a miserable childhood, this is sociopathic.

masochisticanalwhore · 2022-02-23T05:23:10+00:00

Being the primary parent isn't risk free. Making less than men for the same job isn't risk free.

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_-One4All-_ · 2022-02-23T14:05:06+00:00

Guys check out statistical outcome studies of children raised in a single parent home with a woman vs. a man.

YveisGrey · 2022-02-23T16:48:49+00:00

Post like this are dumb. Child support isn’t going anywhere. Period. And any parent can be made to pay it anyways so it’s not “unfair” to men.

masochisticanalwhore · 2022-02-23T19:30:09+00:00

You also realize that if any girl you date gets wind of your views, your dating and marriage chances go down the tubes, right?

xcheshirecatxx · 2022-02-24T06:10:10+00:00

Child support doesn't have obligation. Women should have to provide proof of expenses

Men should be able to say no at the same time a woman can abort, minus 2 weeks so she can get one

acj181st · 2022-02-24T08:35:09+00:00

Ah. The attempted sarcasm. Try harder?

icefire54 · 2022-02-23T03:21:01+00:00

Mel Feit made the same point. Much of child support is indeed alimony. At 7 minutes in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r20Y3c7vPI

More evidence it's not for the children:

https://honeybadgerbrigade.com/2015/03/19/custody-and-child-support-facts-vs-feminists/

It's also just another legal privilege women have. Women can escape CS by having an abortion, while men have no way out. It is essentially forcing men to take responsibility for women's choices. Anyone who says "women have to pay child support too" is just completely ignoring the point by ignoring this legal privilege. Women who can't afford to take care of their children get government benefits, men who can't afford it get thrown in prison.

LotBuilder · 2022-02-23T03:54:01+00:00

I pay $6500 and my Ex doesn’t work. She lives in a nice 3/2 single family home in a upscale suburb and drives an Audi SUV. On the weekends she goes window tasting or to a concert out of town. Apparently since she birthed two children to a successful man she gets to coast for the next 5-8 years. The money just shows up like clockwork and she spends it like a child getting allowance. Any extras for the kids (sports, lessons, etc) I pay for and she doesn’t split as she is supposed to… because she spends the vast majority of the money on herself. She would happily shut down all extra curricular activities.

It will be a rude awakening when the money faucet gets turned off. I’m sure she will marry another fool to fund her lifestyle

RandomRedditGuy322 · 2022-02-23T04:33:54+00:00

All money is fungible, so child support really is just free money to the mother so she can blow it on indulgences for herself.

I would estimate that the majority of child support money likely goes to alcohol, especially wine because "mommy's has a tough day! She deserves this to relax."

nedinator3000 · 2022-02-23T12:44:02+00:00

All this nonsense in the comments.

Acting like child support doesn’t do anything and it’s a negligible amount of money.

I know single moms that do better than hardworking people living off the system in great neighborhoods never working a day.

One of the ones that does work got Uncle Sam to pay her last years balance on rent and this entire 2022 year. No rent. Excellent neighborhood. Not kind of nice. Super nice.

She’s got two babies from different men got pregnant with each of them within 2 months of knowing each guy.

We constantly reward bad female behavior in this country

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