I think too much of the The Red Pill and just some men in general debate too much on only certain aspects of women dating in the day and age. They believe they have women figured out as a science but forget the most fundamental part

Women want kids women want men who will be good fathers women want men who be will be good husbands

But their narrative is

woman want to fuck chads

They see Father figure as being insulting as women see "whore/slut/plate" as insulting. TRP comes across as if women don't want kids and want to fuck Chads for the rest of her life. But when she figures out she does she settles for a beta. While it may be true in some cases, its not the case for all or I believe the majorty. These Beta attributes, "settling" and hypergamy claims seem to forget that a basic drive in most women are to have kids.

The idea of attraction is fundamentally rooted in procreation/stability attritubes:

  • Feminine women attract males; wide set hips (child bearing), fertility, looks, aging, personailty, how they will be a mother etc.
  • Masculine men attract women; Good genes, masculine frame, height, dominant, personailty, how they will be as a father.
  • And many more that you guys can think of.

At the end of the day - a woman isn't going to want to marry a Chad or asshole or unemotional"Alpha" male. Having too many alpha traits leaves you hollow and lonley (if thats your thing, dont respond) But that isn't settling for a Beta; thats looking for a man that will treat her right, be a good partner and be someone who will set a great role for future kids. Women go after men that will fill her needs/wants; (which is what I hope men would do the same) Why is this a bad thing?

Men are critical on the very basis of womens dating strategies and the fact that at the end of it, most women will still succeed in some way. Upset at the realization that at their worst - they will be overlooked, at a womans worse - their still might be someone who wants them. But how is that a womans fault?

I think TRP has distorted their view of normal, functional relationships and emphasised too much on what is "alpha or beta" bc they unfortunately were " too much betas" all their life; so they are finding ways to cope and put down women, forgetting most womens end goals.

The best quality men are ones who are "Alpha" and also "beta". Too much Alpha you are a sociopath, too much beta you are a bitch. They need to learn balance and I think focusing on too much alpha traits by proving how much of a man they are is not attractive and to many sane / serious women, it comes across as being pretty insecure.

A man doesn't need to gloat or show off how many plates they spinned or how they got their gf to obey him. Most of these "Alpha men" that RP look up to, that women flock to and adore - naturally actually love women and appreciate the differences not try to "man stamp" every interaction and diguise thier deeply brewing hatred.

Discuss.