When a beta makes progress, its quite disturbing to women, and I have found nothing but confused, hostile people around me going out of their way to knock me down.

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October 9, 2017

I just wanted to post a quick rant/observation I have been making regarding my own body image and how often devastating remarks are attempted at me as an improving beta male. My personal progress and gains, have left them confused, upset and somewhat hostile.

My first example was about 2 years ago, was able to hook up with a blue eyed, big breasted Barbie of a women and the common theme would be literally be strangers walking up to me and asking what’s going on? Not in a “good job buddy” kind of way, but more of a disturbed, why is she with you. It went as far as females bluntly stating she is way too hot for you period. I would grit my teeth, smile, joke etc but fuck it was a big blow even with the hot ass I was getting, as even her social validation was not even enough to stop the bullshit comments.

The second part comes from my time in the gym, which has been daily for about 6 months. I am 5’9 and about 150, skinny as fuck, but also getting cut and able to lift reasonably more than bulkier dudes in my (graduate program), being a school gym we all pass each other and a common theme is “omg, how you can even lift that much” Its not a complement on what I lift, rather more of a theme of how this skinny, sub-man can lift as much as the cut alphas. My chest gains have improved, and its actually some weird point of focus of theirs that my chest is getting to big and does not look good as they try to poke fun, their is no complement on the gains as they are turning it all to ridicule.

The third examples is simply questions I get regarding why females associate with me (Oh X and X are your friends, they are some of the prettiest girls in the class) why would they even talk to you? Again, same bull shit, different day. I have a fucking bite mark on my chest, and they are very inquisitive, not in a hungry or jealous kind of way, but more of an enigma of how a female would find any desire to do this and again they are vocal, pull me aside to talk about this.

I know us beta dudes, have a long way to go, but fuck these comments from bitches like this really mess with your head, more reason to keep frame, fucking hit the gym and focus on you. I am just glad I have enough secrecy in my life to keep these fucking in a constant state of guessing and trying to destruct my personal life.

TLDR: Women have no problem tearing down a dude who is oddly improving on levels that they are not comfortable with.

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Title When a beta makes progress, its quite disturbing to women, and I have found nothing but confused, hostile people around me going out of their way to knock me down.
Upvotes 744
Comments 220
Date 09 October 2017 05:53 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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Link https://theredarchive.com/post/46425
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[–]Mithra9009296 points297 points  (21 children) | Copy

I believe the advice here is that if you're ever marked as a "loser", you have to find a new social circle entirely, one where you're surrounded by people as a blank slate, one where you're free to craft your own first impression. Even if you pass all the shit tests from both men and women, there'll still be some that see you as a "fake alpha". This is all just a temporary phase though, after College/Uni/whatever, you won't be seeing these people again.

[–]imabadasstrustme109 points110 points  (3 children) | Copy

This is so true. Realized this with my hometown group of friends.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (2 children) | Copy

Or the ex who knew me as a fat beta. 5 years later she wouldn't recognize me physically or mentally. She comes to town and strikes up a convo. I naturally indicate we should get a drink (that ass was beautiful) but she leads me on and decides she doesn't have time. Just being honest, if I ran into her at a bar without ever knowing her, I probably wouldn't give her a second look these days. But she only remembers the beta me and there is no changing that.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

there is no changing that.

Not exactly true but it is certainly more difficult and MUCH easier to start with fresh pussy than to warm up an old, cold pussy.

[–]BobbyPeru20 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yep, laws of power:

Law 5: So Much Depends On Reputation Guard It With Your Life

[–]Torabor6431 points32 points  (9 children) | Copy

I'm in that situation as well and I find it almost impossible to create a new social circle. Do you have any suggestions? I started new hobbies, but it's difficult to make any real conection with males, everyone already has their "group" and it feels like they don't want new people in.

[–]danhaas29 points30 points  (2 children) | Copy

Give them a reason to accept you. Get your foot on the door somehow, by being generous for example (but not too much or they will see you as a beta working horse). Then do something intriguing that will get their attention and memory. You can control the narrative of your group dynamic.

[–]destraht19 points20 points  (1 child) | Copy

In early college many small groups would assembly around town and then all head out to a beach past where the park rangers checked. I liked spending 20 minutes gathering heavy ass huge logs so that it could rage until the morning. Some of the guys would help out for bit but they would just get too tired of hauling huge logs across the beach and they would quit before we had enough. I just kept gathering wood until I knew that we had enough to party the way that everyone wanted to party. Even though I was in the best physical shape of everyone, always, I was seen as the beta bitch since I was doing work for everyone. I never got laid out there. Then one night I decided to not help or participate at all and I was balls deep in short order. The mentality was particularly fucked actually. I brought a flashlight out so that I and others could see down the really gigantic cliff as we descended to the beach. It would have been incredibly easy for a silly bitch to fall and break her leg or worse. However, helping poorly prepared people didn't earn me social points. One unknown guy yelled "Hey flashlight boy! Come over here". Of course he was super cool without water, flashlight, fire or willing to contribute. I replied something to the effect of piss off and then I decided right there not to help at all. Instant pussy. Some other dudes did the work while I laid pipe with a girl. Its a zero sum game of doing as little as possible. Its dysfunctional as shit and the way to win is to let others do everything. They are busy helping while you are busy getting in good with the right woman and triggering a response from her that makes it seem like you are the tribal leader such that others do your bidding. Its not a healthy social scene or overall mentality.

[–]Redpillandrew0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Weird but sometimes happens. Good job, anyway. Personal thought on the matter: you showed your boundaries and earned respect (and pussy) in return, but i think being the one always prepared and active, tbw, set you above the others... AS LONG AS YOU DON'T SHOW YOU'RE WILLING TO DO SHIT for lazy ungrateful fucks

[–]whodoesthatshite14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

Stop trying to make friends

[–]Drumcode-Equals-Life3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Find an "in" where you contribute a unique set of skills, for example I just got accepted into a promotional group that runs a monthly event at clubs because I can do graphic design and they need another resident DJ on rotation. I've only been living in this city for two or three years and being a DJ has opened up a lot of friendships within my social circle that I wouldn't have found otherwise.

[–]Psychocist1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's a simple case of offering value.. connections, good feelings (humour), intelligence/knowledge/insight/wisdom, encouragement, strength, money, toys, experiences. Real connections don't happen much any more, real friends are hard to come by -- all you got are superficial connections based on mutual utility. Everybody is looking for what you can do for them, and if it isn't much then they ain't much interested.

So.. become a person who naturally offers value just through your presence. On top of that, be the person who doesn't use other people like tools and, I'm sure, sooner or later you'll find real friends.

[–]lawlyer12162 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I just sort of found a new group through racquet ball. I hit a lot on my own and one day saw a group and asked if they wanted a fourth. Became a regular thing and now we play a few times a week and get drinks. Surprisingly easy. Find a sport or hobby that includes other people and just inject yourself with whoever else is doing it.

This could backfire, sure. But it’s pretty easy to tell when I’m not wanted, which Im certain isn’t the case. I keep getting group messages and invites. It’s been a pretty enjoyable experience meeting new people who are becoming fun friends to hang with.

It’s interesting also because I’m viewed in a positive light compared to other social circles. It might help that I DOMINATE everyone, because I’m a fucking badass at racquet ball.

[–]bouncingbollocks 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Basically the plot of "The New Guy."

[–]haroldpeters1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

haha... waiting for the bit where his knob got twisted by a teacher

[–]Peter_B_Long5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Went through this (still am) recently. Broke up with an LTR of 5 years and surprise surprise, all of our mutual friends ghosted me, even the ones that met her through me.

They must have seen me as some whiny beta while I was with her and I don't blame them. We would argue often in public and I would be visibly upset when we were out with friends. She most likely played the victim and got 100% of the attention directed at her while I basically broke up with her and all our friends.

Even after trying to meet up and plate girls who I knew were into me before my LTR just flaked on me whenever we set something up and then ghosted me. In the end, I really only had a select few brothers that were on my side and I cherish them deeply today because if it wasn't for them I would've been completely alone.

The happy ending to this story though is that thanks to TRP, I forced myself to build new social circles and in all these new social circles I was easily liked and respected. I now get invited every weekend to events, parties, get togethers, etc. and although dating is still an uphill battle for me, I've gone on many dates (good and bad) and have managed to spin 2 plates in the 4 months since the breakup.

[–]weaboorage1747 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Seconded. Had a friend who actually said to me "so how does it feel to be the alpha male?"

It seemed that he was bitter about the changes he saw in me, even though I felt I was heading toward my goals as a person.

[–]1PantsonFire12342 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It depends, you have to blow people out of the park. If you just make small improvements with an already stained reputation people will burst through it. Even when you made it people will try to pin you down. Eventually though they will either leave themselves in total defeat, or you break or you hold the line and they come to accept you.

I went through allot of that myself starting out as a normal kid inbetween crab bucket people. Took me literally 7 years to completely outgrow them. I still chill with lots of old friends from back then and those who stuck around just got used to the way I grew up and I got used to them growing up. People will remember how you were last year or two years ago. But half a decade is blurry for people. You really need some very insecure bitch ass friends to keep pictures of everyone from back then and pat themselves on the back that things are still okay to be permanently stuck like you said.

The very idea to suggest that no one can improve their SMV without switching scenery all together is false. You just need to improve it by allot and for a long time. And most people don't want to begin a 7 years, 24/7 project. So they look for short cuts.

[–]BlindDoorman569 points570 points  (26 children) | Copy

You are surrounded by... to say it politely, negative people. Cut them off. All of them. They are what was holding you back.

[–]hb8only 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

it's called crab mentality and it is well known phenomena...

[–]Slug_Nutty19 points20 points  (3 children) | Copy

[–]sep002 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I expected to get a lot from this subreddit.

Good music wasn't one of them.

Thanks a lot sir. :)

[–]GenghisKhanSpermShot2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

How have I never heard this.

[–]red_matrix-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy

This is the first I've heard of crab mentality. Care to do a coles notes explanation?

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's actually called crab bucket mentality and it refers to the fact that crabs in bucket will drag the ones who get on top down again.

[–]red_matrix0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Now I remember. Damn. That's a fitting analogy.

[–]CLxJames2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

They need some game theory lessons, those crabs

[–]TRP_mask52 points53 points  (1 child) | Copy

That's probably the luck I've had since I first came here. Pretty much everyone I know have said to me 'I never expected you to be here/do this/achieve this.' I hear it at least twice a week, and still when I go to the club because people from my old school haven't seen me in a long time. The people I hang out with however, they let me embrace this change. In fact, one of them actually showed me the red pill and said I should start reading it every once in a while. It's this reason that I know how important it is to have the right people around you. You can change for yourself, but in order to change in the eyes of others you can't be alone. You need people that already know the new you and support you in your change.

[–]p3n1x34 points35 points  (0 children) | Copy

No matter what color pill you are, the world will come after you. It will only get more challenging. Some sheep are easier to control than others.

[–]gorilla_bro29 points30 points  (2 children) | Copy

Take it as a compliment and motivation.

[–]red_matrix4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'd take it as jealousy - but at least you know you're on the right track.

[–]sep001 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Best advice ever.

Even better: Combine that with a smile.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (0 children) | Copy

The saying " Misery loves company" is true. For example, you usually see childless post wall women who try to push their lifestyle on younger women while putting on a persona of being happy. Or recently divorced women talking about how great it is to be "free" and "happy", and trying to persuade their friends to break up their own family as well. I am sure you guys can think a lot of different examples of this.

From my own experience, people who are well balanced and have a more fulfilling life aren't the ones who are up front and in your face about it. They don't tell people how to live, but are willing to give advice to to those who ask.

[–]sirfuckboysupreme9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

As said above, your improved and negative people are trying to hold you back. In these situations, you cut them out of your life, and you start fresh with a new clean slate. New people who wont know you will only see the new you and wont have anything to compare or judge you by.

[–]Fuck_my_Life12348 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy

Yea, just cut them off. They are just basterds. It's nothing about his looks or how he's a beta and a incel. Just the people in his life.

[–]missinglastlette4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

How is he an incel if he's getting laid?

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana119 points120 points  (2 children) | Copy

As I've said before: Sometimes, when people get upset at you, it means you're on the right track, or as one commenter put it, "If video games have taught me anything, it's that if you're running into enemies, you're going in the right direction."

And most of your gym bros are going to need some peanut butter to go with their jelly.

[–]AwakenedSovereign24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you ain't got haters, you ain't poppin'

[–]failingtheturingtest282 points283 points  (21 children) | Copy

There are a few different things at work here.

You still see yourself as beta. Then so does everyone else.
You manage view everything as people disliking your progress because you are a beta. This is a self-fulfilling prophecy. When there is a split between what we know and what we witness, our brains get confused. We have a natural tendency to force the truth somehow. Think optical illusions, etc.
So if you have been beta long enough, and you behave like a beta most of the time, but then at some moment you spring some "alpha" shit, a person has to make sense of this somehow. And it doesn't make sense that this little, skinny, beta kid is lifting more than me.

Some things are just weird compliments. Take it as such.
I was a tall, lanky ginger in high school. I was dating an undeniably gorgeous girl. She was infatuated with me. Whenever there was a social thing for my school and I invited her, all the girls couldn't help but comment some variation of "She is the most beautiful girl I've ever met. What the hell is she doing with you?" with a big, beaming smile on their face. They thought they were being cute. I didn't care much for it.
I could choose to be hung up on those comments. Instead, I just smiled and said something like "ever see her without a smile" and wink. There are very few girls my age from my high school who I haven't since slept with or they've tried.

Your chest might be disproportionate And you should fix that.
If you really CAN press a lot more than your bodyweight. And you really DO have a growing chest. And you STILL are a skinny fuck. Then you are causing an imbalance in your body that you should rectify. Not just because it looks stupid, but it's bad for you. You'll end up with rounded shoulders (curled up, not boulder-like) that can cause you a great deal of back pain in the future.
A skinny dude with giant pecs is not attractive for a reason. Work on those delts and lats. Get your shoulders and back up to scratch and the arms will fall into place. You obviously have the work-ethic in the gym to make shit happen for you. Don't screw yourself over chasing big numbers in one lift.

People are shit. So stop giving a fuck about their opinions.
People can (intentionally or unintentionally) really take a poor attitude to anyone who has the success that they feel they can't achieve. They aren't the people we should be considering.
If some fat fuck has a hard time dealing with the way I eat, dress, excercise or get laid. They can take it out on a Big Mac.
If some slurry feels like I should be giving her more attention, or hold the door open for her, or behave in some particular way. She can cry to the next orbiter she's stringing along.
If some self-made bloke who has his shit together and has success in life comments that there's something I should be doing differently. I'm going to consider that opinion, and try and figure out if I can do that. Because THAT is an opinion of someone who's opinion counts.
If a jacked-up meathead at the gym tells me that I'm pulling my deadlift like a retard. I'm going to pay more attention to my deadlift. Because he might be fucking right.
If a sheila hot enough to melt steel beams tells me that "I shouldn't talk to a girl like that". I'm going to just pick on her because we don't take fishing advice from the fish!

[–]tenxs 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Then you are causing an imbalance in your body that you should rectify. Not just because it looks stupid, but it's bad for you.

I second this, you really have to be careful with that OP. When your chest is very responsive to RT (grats) you might be in for all kinds of postural defects following imbalances. Especially once your shoulders get pulled forward by your pecs. I would recommend doing pull / push movements either in a 2:1 or 3:2 ratio.

[–]suske12711 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'll third this. Lifted for 4 years in High School, ended up with an awesome bench press but never worked my back muscles. Coming out of HS I had shitty weak looking posture with my shoulders rounded forward, and tiny lats/upper back which made me look very weak, despite being able to bench/squat some pretty large weights.

[–]Fapisluv8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Plus after gaining some back gains,and fixing his posture,his bench numbers will go up

[–]Drumcode-Equals-Life1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Definitely recommend the face pulls on back day, it's really done a lot for my posture and balance things out because a lot of my other back workouts focus on the mid to lower muscles

[–]urs_sarcastically44 points45 points  (0 children) | Copy

Upvoting just for the last line. "You don't take fishing advice from the fish"! Nice!!

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

If you really CAN press a lot more than your bodyweight. And you really DO have a growing chest. And you STILL are a skinny fuck. Then you are causing an imbalance in your body that you should rectify.

Will second this. This has caused me a great deal of back pain and am in PT to fix the imbalance so I can get back to lifting.

[–]_MysticFox 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

How do you change the shitty perception of yourself during the transition?

[–]failingtheturingtest12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hard work and consistency.
If a fat person is on a diet, they're a fat person on a diet. We know they're more likely to lose the diet than the weight. When that person loses all the fat, gets ripped, and stays fit for over a year, they're no longer a fat person on a diet. They're a person who is fit, despite having once been fat.
The discipline and hard work they committed to (and stay committed to) has reshaped who they are and how they are perceived.

[–]thetotalpackage78 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

As it pertains to lifting: When we look at ourselves in the mirror everyday the changes occur so incrementally that it is hard to notice. BUT within a year your biceps will fill out shirts, you'll start to stand more upright as your posture improves. You won't have to wear such baggy clothing. Within two years you'll be accused of taking steroids and when you look at most other dudes you'll start to notice how scrawny or fat they are. Your perception of yourself WILL change.

Some manna from red pill heaven fell upon me this summer when a psycho attacked me when I was walking from a night out with my wife. I did not instigate this fight in anyway. I proceeded to knock this dude out in front of my wife as she was screaming helplessly. It was the icing on the cake in the changing perception she has of of me from when we first met.

More sex, more grabbing me telling me how solid I feel and finally an outright statement of, "It's unbelievable how much your physique has changed since we met and you were a scrawny little guy." Pay your dues in the gym at a minimum. In my opinion it is the foundation of all red pill methods and strategies.

[–]failingtheturingtest7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think you should make a top level post. Not about the fight, but about going from scrawny guy to the guy your wife can't stop grabbing while in a relationship. Many think that you can't improve while in an LTR because they won't accept it, will try to pull you down, etc. Would be good to have a few examples around that it can be done with commitment and discipline. Paying your dues at the gym is definitely the foundation of TRP for me as well.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't take advice from losers on how to win at life

[–]SAPPHIREAURA3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

I don't think skinny necessarily equates to beta and vice versa. I've always been skinny although tall 6'2. and different people in my life have said in an alpha male. despite how I beta I feel many times internally. I guess it's how I interact in groups of men etc naturally instinctually cause I didn't even think of it then until now that I hear all this alpha beta talk.

[–]fromthecrypt88 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree, alpha is very much an internal process in my opinion. Although it is more rare to see a really skinny alpha because he will not have the self-image of himself as one. Or to put it this way: Having muscles help in transitioning from beta to alpha. Alot.

[–]failingtheturingtest0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Skinny guy thinks he doesn't have to be big to be alpha...

As I said, I was skinny when I was younger. I was still the dominant one in any social setting, got the girls, etc. The epitome of walking the walk.
However, it's no excuse to not hit the gym and get a good bod.

I've always been a natural, now I also have evidence of discipline and hard work that is with me wherever I go.

[–]SAPPHIREAURA0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I agree my main point being they're not synonymous also how alpha is intrinsically an innate thing

[–]aljetsboy99-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I can't wait to use that line "we don't take fishing advice from the fish" so simple yet so well put.

[–]PaulMurrayCbr 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Yeah. Women slot people into roles, and dislike it when people jump out of those roles. It disturbs their world-view.

It went as far as females bluntly stating she is way too hot for you period.

"No, bitch: she is proof that I am way too hot for you."

[–]PillDragon33 points34 points  (0 children) | Copy

I can't believe that this is the first time I've heard that.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (14 children) | Copy

My dad is a big time leftist. So is my mom. I grew up on baseball and GI Joe but everything else was unicorns and rainbows. Ever since Trump announced he was running and I jumped on the train, my dad has been more distant and you can feel my mom's confusion/fright. It's really fucking bizarre. This also coincided with me lifting more, getting more red-pilled, etc. They are not comfortable.

[–]destraht5 points6 points  (12 children) | Copy

Same thing here except for the first time ever we are not speaking at all. Sure 1-3 months of no communication have gone by many times over the years but now we are at 10 months and the blue vs red schism has much to do with it. I was living in Ukraine during the coup and war and it was Russia, Russia, Russia. It was ridiculous at the level it was done but its all at least plausible. Then I returned home to just more Russia, Russia, Russia and it turns out that half of the same people saying that are the same who pushed, manipulated and bribed Ukraine into that position. Needless to say I was tired of just more of the same following me around. So dad is a cold warrior, like so many others and its all deeply personal to him, although it shouldn't be. That makes me an enemy of sorts. I just happen to know 10x more about the Ukraine issue since I was living there, lived with a refugee girlfriend and then was finishing my now published book while living in a $2/day hostel for broke ass Ukrainians many of which were from the separatist areas. I propose that its probable that I know more about how things are than my father who watches CNN and MSNBC. Then this same hysteria was simply redirected and reattached to the election by the party who was losing out and somehow they didn't notice the oddity of that. Trump, Russians, red v. blue, etc. Its all just a symptom of dissociated people who don't realize that their empire and way of life are nearing an end. They feel that it is better to be correct than to have family. They are confused tools led around by their noses and its not going to get better. We still have food in our bellies. Everything is worse when people are hungry.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Crazy right? My dad is also very narcissistic about this stuff, as it seems yours is. He’s right about everything. The two of them watch their 60 Minutes every night and nod/ focus at the TV like zombies. Then walk around life virtue signaling and thinking they’re holier than thou. It’s really sad, especially since otherwise I consider my dad a smart guy. I can’t say too much because at a certain point I feel it’s not my place. It’s a generational thing. They have no idea about the depths of the internet, and their news people could never lie to them! No, not in America! Not in Ukraine! The Russians are evil! Iran is Evil! Afghanistan is evil! Whatever the news tells me is evil is evil! Oh well, maybe one day they wake up somehow. If not, it’s not my problem.

It’s a tale as old as time:

“A scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.” - Max Planck

[–]2wiseclockcounter0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy

this will be a tangent here, but would you mind filling me in on what that whole Ukraine situation was about? I was hearing a lot of conflicting reports.

[–]destraht 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Tomorrow I'll delete this comment and reply again. I'm trying to wind down now and I don't want to get too excited.

[–]2wiseclockcounter0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

thanks i'll look forward to it.

[–]destraht1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

So a little relevant history first. Its just a tiny synopsis designed to tell you things which you are unlikely to already know, not everything...

Ok so we need to go back to the Bolshevik revolution. Eurasian Jews dominated that entire movement from the intellectual formulation of it to the organizers and then they dominated the USSR. Jews were everywhere, it has only recently been revealed that even Lenin was "part-Jewish", "In particular, his Jewish ancestry was suppressed until the 1980s,[551] perhaps out of Soviet anti-Semitism,". Yeeeaah, right. Then later Stalin went full on paranoid and starting killing anyone who could possible challenge him and since Jews dominated the USSR it meant that he needed to kill a lot of elite Jews to maintain his terror grip on the country. Epic numbers of white Slavic people died during the USSR to the point that it can be considered ethnic cleansing.

Western Ukrainians first had the German Nazis blaze through their lands and the Nazis at that time were overtly against Jews in both their rhetoric and actions. The Germans did not stay long enough to become the all time enemy. Their presence was short lived. Then the Jewish dominated Russia swarmed back and just crushed it all of the way to Berlin. Then the Russians stayed for a very long time and abused populations and there were a few starvation partially from ineptitude and partly due to cruel malice. During this time the Western Ukrainians USSR adopted the Jewish victimhood identity but without the craftiness. They came to view the USSR was other and Russian while other groups in other territories viewed it as their USSR. The USSR was totalitarian and they punished groups who were too troublesome. During this time the for a portion of the population the Nazi banner and ideology continued to mean resistance against the USSR, the Russians and for some it also meant resistance against Jews, which for any who were intelligent was obvious.

Fast forward to the collapse of the USSR and we can see a very different line of development in Russian and Ukraine that only began to diverge considerably in the late 90's. The 90's were the Wild East and at the worst of it just about any kind of scheme or crime went. It was bad and tough ignorant and brutal gangster scum went unchecked. There suddenly came to be exceedingly rich people known as "oligarchs" and they were almost invariably Jewish. Many have asked, in a system without private ownership how could some people come to be worth $billions in such a short period of time. They did this through a system of legal scams and illegal thuggery. However, for Russia things began to change quickly when Vladimir Putin became president in 2000. From this moment the undeniable downward spiraling trajectory of Ukraine and Russia began to diverge. Russia began to clean up the worst of their abuses as they purged their worst (Jewish) "oligarchs" who would not agree to play by a someone sane set of rules. I'm positive that there was still murder and intrigue but it became qualitatively better than Ukraine, who never reigned in their elite Jews. Actually Dnipro, Ukraine (previously Dnepropetrosk but they are currently undergoing an anti-Sovietization) contains the Menorah Center, which is arguably largest Jewish center in all of Europe. The Euroasian Jews (the yellow-white skinned Jews with very slightly kinky black hair who look like the people who run Hollywood, etc) consider Ukraine to be a holy land. It goes back to the Khazarian Empire from quite a long time ago. They were somewhat based in Ukraine but mostly a bit Eastwards.

[–]destraht1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Today Ukraine is utterly dominated by Jews but in Russia they are merely very powerful. Some of the "oligarchs" were sent packing and they went to places like London and New York to complain to a sympathetic audience about the erosion of a system in Russia that had allowed them to go from technical zeros to billionaires in just a decade.

Starting in the 2000's everything became a bit more chilled out in all of the ex-USSR and things settled into their versions of normal. This meant that the Ukraine largest customer was Russia since a significant part of the USSR infrastructure resided there. This meant that aging and increasingly irrelevant widget factories in Ukraine produced things for Russia and nobody else in the world had an appetite for them. Additionally Chernobyl tainted a significant amount of good soil to the North of Kiev with radioactive particles and this general prospect scared the shit out of EU. They weren't in any hurry to eat food from the bread basket of Europe. Factor in differences in culture, the extreme peculiarity of the Soviet mindset, vastly different languages, different economics and the Western European countries didn't care much to be very involved in Ukraine. Ukraine means "borderlands". This is why many say "The Ukraine". Think of it as a fertile purgatory filled with the offspring of the men of every empire who passed through there to get to somewhere more important. For Russians The Ukraine (notice the The) is the buffer, the shield between them and the Western Europeans who have a habit of coming over to slaughter Russians every so often. There is a fair amount of truth in that. Now enter NATO and the EU. The US and NATO have been encircling Russia with missiles and military bases on nearly every side but the Arctic while complaining that Russia is getting too close to their military bases.

Enter the Color Revolutions that started in Serbia and bounced around a bit into Latin America. There was even a handbook for it. They would pick a color, keep everyone too busy to think or sleep and then use them to overthrow governments. Ukraine had its own "Orange Revolution" in 2004, but in fact nothing change but the people exploiting the system. It was not a true revolution in that the system changed but merely another group seizing the existing levers of power. The system continued to limp on, exploiting the people, not investing in infrastructure while the fertility continued to crash. People continued to dream of their 1-2 children as many of the best left towards places and systems with hope. Over the following ten years people like (Jewish) George Soros invested into "democracy" through their NGOs (non-governmental organizations). In reality they were mostly fomenting extremism by supporting anyone who was willing to really shake the system up. In large part this mean supporting the flavors and intensities of Nazism, since that snapshot of Nazism placed Russia as the greatest enemy. In practice it is no different of a strategy than the US supporting the "Mujaheddin Freedom Fighters, like our founding fathers" - Reagan, because they could be counted on to fight the Russians. Fund extremists who will fight your enemy and then worry about the mess later. Coincidentally Russia banned NGOs from operating in Russia unless it registered as agents of a foreign state along with all of the restrictions that go along with that. The Russian government had grown tired of everything in the world under cover of "democracy".

So two years before the coup and war I was drinking in a basement bar known for its nationalism, booze and fights. It was great. At times I had gorgeous 23 year old women running at me to smash their boobs in my face when I entered the room. I drank a lot, some good fist fights, slept with women and talked about politics. One night these two guys were telling me in absolute terms that there was going to be a war in the country. I laughed them off a bit but they insisted. Later on during the early "Maiden" in Kiev it seemed that half of the bar was emptied out and many of them had gone off to revolt in Kiev. The coup happened and I cautiously cheered a bit but then not another positive development happened in the country from that point onwards. The individuals who managed to sit themselves into government at that point were quite radical in their hatred of Russia, Russian influence in their country and in many cases even the Russian language. They obviously viewed anything with the word Russian in it as an aberration in the territory of Ukraine. This was problematic for the people of Donestk and Lugansk since they speak Russian and their mines and factories produce products largely for Russia not to mention the mixed families on both sides. Those women are very pretty, on both sides.

So I was drinking in this basement bar as everyone returned glorious from their successful coup and they began to speak to fucking Russia is doing stuff in Crimea. The Russian government had a large military base in Crimea which they negotiated payment about every so often. The new unelected coup government decided to reset all laws back to 2004 and this meant that they could "legally" not renew the military base charter. This scared the hell out of the Russian government as well as the Crimean population but for slightly different reasons. It was obvious to all that the coup government was on an anti-Russia tear. Its the sort of thing that you hear about in the old world with one civilization having been wrong 5-10 generations before by another group and they are still butthurt. It happens a lot in the Old World. There were reasons to be worried. The coup government had just tried passing anti-Russian language laws in Ukraine (or at least highly punitive ones) and fortunately these failed. Some say due to EU influence for cooler heads. Also close by in Odessa there was a strange massacre of many pro-Russian people where they were burned or asphyxiated while surrounded by nationalists. So Crimeans largely considered themselves Russians in Ukraine and for the most part it was a mute point. The Crimean Oblast was chartered such that they had a right to vote themselves out of Ukraine. They were an "autonomous region". So just before the Ukrainian radicals could rest up and get down to Crimea to start causing trouble the Crimean people with the support of the Russian military, who were already posted there, decided to take an official vote on it. The results were something in the high 90% range and just like that they were part of Russia. Well, what remained of Ukraine was not happy at all about this and they did not accept it.

Shortly after this the two oblasts now commonly known as Donbass began to increasingly resist the new forceful mandates and encroachments coming from Kiev. For all of his shitty corruption Yanukovich was their guy and he was forced out in a coup. They were very grumpy about that and they largely did not participate in the coup. So you have one side who is grumpy about losing their elected leader and another side who feels that they have only so much time to force through changes before the next election takes place. Bad news. It escalated and escalated and kept on going that way until people were dying, then people are being bombed and shitty inaccurate artillery is being fired all around. Today most Ukrainians do not recognize the grievances of that territory and its just "Russia is in there". Say that enough times in the Western MSM and there you go.

Its important to realize that the Kiev government is a cheap, dirty whore regardless of who sits in the seats. Simply before the coup Russia threw around enough cash to make Kiev lean its direction and now after the war they get it from the West, largely through the IMF. The IMF however was doling out the funds in a series of small installments. They continually told Ukraine to continue making progress against its separatist territory to receive the next round. More war, more money. The IMF locked Ukraine into continual warfare in those early days because if they stopped then the funds might not potentially be there. The IMF had Ukraine by the balls with such a deep grasp that it went all of the way up to the prostate. Ukraine became at that moment nothing more than a weaponized annoyance for Russia. They pounded that story on the Jewish owned Western MSM until people could no longer tolerate hearing it anymore. Then there was a small break and they resumed by turning it into election shenanigans "Russian hacked the US elections".

Well Ukraine already had the infinite supply of ammo. They just needed someone to give them a few $hundred million here and there. That is a cheap war as far as the US is concerned. The US and its NGOs spent around $5 billion on "democracy" leading up to this. George Soros was all up in there.

During this time period (Jewish) Victora Nuland (real name Nudelman) was the "Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs at the United States Department of State" and she pretty much ran Ukraine as the most powerful person. Her (Jewish) husband Robern Kagan was also quite involved and he is a quite infamous Neocon in his own right.

[In total over three years spent in Ukraine over a four year period].

Thats about all I have to say about that.

[–]2wiseclockcounter0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

So I was more referring to the recent war games / apparent invasion, but I appreciate the embellished context! Do you know if Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's book 200 Years Together is a reliable text? I've found what appears to be the most recent and complete translation of it, but have yet to jump into it because the whole JQ thing kinda seems like the historical "deep end". It's obviously a pretty contentious issue, so I feel like I'm trapped questioning what I can believe and what's random disinfo.

[–]destraht0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

It took me a bit to figure out what you were referring to.

So I've been gone for a year now and I've was asking my well informed buddy about crap happening in Eastern Ukraine and he continued to tell me that its big nothings. There might have been some developments but I doubt its significant. ZNN was liking to put pressure on Russia about Ukraine once in a while to try to tie their hands in Syria so that Israel can get its Greater Israel plan going. So they would flare up really yet another Russia is doing something story. If its said enough times then the lay observers buy it. It really doesn't seem to have been successful as yet.

I think that about a few months ago the US was going to be coming into Moldova much stronger for training to put more pressure on the breakaway region Transnistria but fortunately Chichinau backed off since this would have violated a 25 year old agreement and caused a bad chain of events to begin. It would have been really dumb for Moldova proper. The US and EU are working Moldova super hard by flooding the place with bubble cash from their NGOs and that is giving them increased power in the country. This is probably more of a problematic issue than Donbas at this point. The US really really wants to fuck with Russia in the region to cause massive chaos and the EU wants to reduce Russia's influence but not to cause maximum chaos since its in their backyard.

[edit] Its a joke whatever is happening militarily on Russia's immediate borders because Russia could pimp backhand whatever all of the way back to Kiev. That part is just a media perception game. The Ukrainian forces are smart enough to have figured out that dying isn't as cool as it sounded.

[–]2wiseclockcounter0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Thanks so much for taking the time to type everything out! I had heard things here and there about Soros and other illicit funding, but you've definitely helped fill in the gaps. Just wanted to point out, in case you were scratching your head over finding a specific event, I was thinking of Georgia, not Ukraine, haha.

I had seen this a while back and was curious what it was all about. Seems to fit the formula you outlined to a tee, though. I guess the same thing was happening on that front too, huh? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBPBdW2wXpc

[–]destraht0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well, I don't put much stock in interviews like this. Really a 12 year old girl and some older woman don't know shit about shit about their own buttholes either way. Its weak anecdotal evidence at best and terrible propaganda at worst.

Having said that I'm about 80% sure that George provacated towards Russia while thinking that nobody would dare push back against NATO. If so what NATO forces supported such a move? Russia lost in the court of public opinion but it seemed to have fallen flat in the various courts where where real evidence needs to be presented to the huge mishmash of varying interests.

That Georgian president somehow years later magically found himself as mayor or the Odessa oblast, in another fucking country due to him supposedly knowing how to reduce corruption and how to fight Russia. Odessa and Dnipro (Dnipropetrosk) are the two Jewish strong holds of Ukraine in a huge and known way. How the fuck did homebody just end up there? Odessa is crazy corrupt with the port and everything and Ukraine's best Chicago style gangster myths are based in Odessa. So WTF right?

[–]fromthecrypt81 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

But what about it is it that disturbs their world-view? Like why do they care? Is it because they have to think more, like ponder what made the beta different, and thus using more brainpower?

[–]Alathon5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

They were never using brainpower in any conscious way, they were going with their animal feelings because it's easy and automatic. When past and expected feelings (meh-buy-me-something) stop matching present feelings (ooooh-smash-my-vag) it creates dissonance in the collection of feelings they use instead of examining and understanding the external world. Since the dissonance is attached to the man who changed himself, the discomfort is vented in their direction.

[–]Psychocist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

..err.. men also slot people into roles. Come to think of it.. PEOPLE slot people into roles, all the fucking time. Ironically, just like we slot women into roles! :P

[–]Collegia_Titanica29 points30 points  (5 children) | Copy

Something something .. crabs in a bucket. You are surrounded by garbage ningen scum, ignore them, hate them, progress frontward.The only person you can ever rely on it yourself. Enemies all around you, hiding behind masks.There is nothing they can do to hinder your improvement/path

[–]AttackOnKvothe5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

> ningen scum

You just reminded me of DBS

[–]Rian_Stone21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy

You see now why we all harp on validation seeking being bad, right?

[–]Arabian_Wolf19 points20 points  (6 children) | Copy

Not only women, but men who could be your siblings, friends etc that show their true colors once you improve and gain abundance mentality and independence, but its ok, for anger is a dense energy if channeled right it leads to accelerated improvement physically, mentally and career-wise.

I’m afraid of losing my anger and fall into mediocrity.

[–]WorkThrowAway1254 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

A wise man once said:
“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.” -Gandolf

[–]Arabian_Wolf4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

I wouldn’t take a Hollywood quote (or a novel targeted to the masses for big $) seriously, I still believe anger can make or break a man, for without he’s in ignorant bliss.

[–]fromthecrypt84 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Are you saying Gandalf's not legit?

[–]red_matrix1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I agree - it's needs to be channeled correctly. But hang on to it too long it can warp your mind.

[–]Arabian_Wolf0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I’m starting to like being angry and mad, when I was “happy” I was content with who I’m and never improved, while now anger fuels my improvement be it lifting and reading.

[–]slothsenpai16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

I've had my own sister display hostility towards me whenever I was initially fixated on the gym and my body-image where she projected her shitty feminist views onto me. Like no, stop pretending that women are ever so open-minded and benevolent when selecting partners and how it's supposedly easy for a man to get laid or pursue a healthy relationship.

It's "male entitlement" when you expect something as a given birthright but "toxic masculinity" when you work hard to try and attain something. You can't win with these cunts.

[–]menial_optimist12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

Those negative comments are actually compliments. Every single one of them is their own individual insecurity whether envy or jealousy. Think of how insecure you have to be to walk up to somebody and put them down with no provocation. I'm 5"0 with severe scoliosis but I lift regularly. Yeah my bench max right now is 75lbs. Yeah some 6"3 Nick Powerballs beside me is warming up with 50lb dumbells just cruising through a set of flys. But you know what? I don't care. If that guy maxs his weight out with a 100lb dumbell in each hand, right on for him. 75lb is not what I started at. I started at the very bottom and in the last year I've worked up to this level. That's progress baby. My goal is to bench my own bodyweight with ease.

Admittedly though I am at times obsessed with at least achieving a strength level beyond the average woman.

[–]ziphias2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good on you for pushing through that disadvantage, man! Keep going!

[–]FiveStarTendieDinner42 points43 points  (5 children) | Copy

If you're not in control, you're under control.

[–]shr3dthegnarbrah15 points16 points  (3 children) | Copy

"and now ya do what they told ya."

[–]Psychocist5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Fuck you. I won't do what you tell me.

[–]Onidramon 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Don't do what I tell you to do.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you can be in control and under control, it must be possible to be above control...

I should make one of those dinosaur memes.

[–]sickofallofyou12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

I've always noticed when I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing, on the path im supposed to be on, haters and buzzkills and people who'll bring you down come out of nowhere.

[–]Troll_Name118 points119 points  (7 children) | Copy

If you take back what the world stole from you, the world sees you as a thief.

[–]jumpinglane28 points29 points  (1 child) | Copy

nobody stole from you. they don't owe you.

edit: downvote me as much as you want you angry snowflakes. blaming "the world" for your choices is the way of the beta male. litres of tears won't change that. accept responsibility for your lives, you cucks.

[–]Maltahlgaming 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I would recommed you to change social circle and maybe even gym if they are as toxic as you say. In a gym i was looked down on since i was 190 lbs and are 5.8 ft when starting to lift (20-23% body fat). Most of the bad looks and acting was from women and fat men. I went solo and took it to workout and change diet to cut. Now 1-2 months later i dont do it solo because i made friends with some of the stronger guys in my local gym and that motives me to workout harder because we "challange" eachother to push farther. They also help with my form so i dont fuck up my back, and get a better grip because i have weak grip strength.

tldr: Find people who encourages you to improve and ignites your inner fire to work harder. Screw the haters ;)

[–]ThickDickWarrior89 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Do ya also give each other handys in the shower mate?

[–]Desadarius14 points15 points  (4 children) | Copy

I think it's biological instinct.

It would make sense. Trying to keep naturally "bad" genes out of the gene pool.

Otherwise it just doesn't make sense why people naturally hate on others improving.

Trust me, I've been experiencing this shit firsthand and woooo baby frame control has been hard. Sometimes I just wanna beat down some of these fucks.

Whatever, the more successful you are the more shit you're gonna have to put up with from everyone around you. It's the way it is. Fuck em.

[–]hamstercide12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think it's biological instinct. It would make sense. Trying to keep naturally "bad" genes out of the gene pool.

That's part of it, but another part is competition.

[–]DocPool 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I feel you man. People talk shit all the time and I just cant help it and have fists raining down on them. Anyway, was there a time wherein you went apeshit on them fuckers?

[–]fromthecrypt81 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

True that. The more hate you get, the more evidence you are doing something right.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (10 children) | Copy

Welcome to the next level of the rabbit hole, Alice! And I've got good news, it only gets weirder as you go down further!

Yes young padawan, what you are experiencing is completely normal, unfortunately. Already many good replies here, crab mentality a big one. It will take you some time to process this phenomenon, just like it did when you first became unplugged, but rest assured you will process it. If you can survive being unplugged, you can survive all levels of this rabbit hole. You may not like them, but you will prevail given time.

Women especially do not like to be "tricked" by betas pretending to be alpha. "He's not really alpha material" is going through their minds when they look at you. Not, "he's come a long ways", or "he's really working hard at improving himself I'm impressed", no no my friend, it's "he's still beta". Now, having said that, there will come a day when the people you have known (while beta), will ACCEPT you being alpha, but it will take a long time, and whether it's worth the time will be your decision. With men, especially family, it can be especially hurtful. I found myself, a previous nice guy doormat, getting into f bomb arguments with certain people, all for the horrible crime of not being their servant anymore. The peasant rising above his station will be viciously attacked by everyone around him. We are animals, and there is a pecking order, unfortunately. If you want to rise, be prepared to have a few scars along the way. Totally normal what you are experiencing, don't use it as a reason to fall back down into the crab bucket. Keep at it my man, and congrats on your achievements so far!! No one said it would be easy :-)

[–]MilkMoney1118 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

I remember when I was one of the haters once. I strongly disliked one of my coworkers, he ran his mouth too much. He never ran it to me, but I took offense anyways. For whatever reason I didn't like the guy acting "tough." He got his ass beat one day, and I thought that would settle him down. Nope. He continued to run his mouth off. It made me even angrier, I felt he didn't have the right to still act tough when he got beat.

But he persisted, and I finally realized he wasn't a bad dude at all. He was just getting a lot of shit from people he worked with and was defending himself. His "ass beating" was someone jumping him while he was taking a nap. I stopped judging the dude and tried to get to know him. He actually turned out to be a really nice guy. Given enough time, other people came around. He was eventually accepted. It just takes persistence.

Stick to your guns OP, other people will eventually be forced to accept your behavior. You're going to piss people off along the way but you'll eventually connect with the right people, that can see what you're doing and support you.

[–]bamdastard2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

lol do you work in a prison? who gets beat up at work?

[–]MilkMoney1115 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

lol it was the Navy. I just said work to avoid going into detail about life on board a ship and why the guy was getting shit in his division.

[–]fromthecrypt84 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

Best response Ive read so far. This can very much be likened to what chimps or gorillas face if they want to rise up and attempt a shot at becoming the new alpha male in the pack. I would love to see you analyze why this happens though, especially in humans; like why do people care if someone is rising (or trying to rise) to alpha?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I see animals...they're everywhere...THEY DON'T KNOW THEY ARE ANIMALS.

Very clever animals, mind you, the cleverest of all, but yet...

It's almost like the walking dead. I slather on my zombie guts and walk around pretending to be an animal, in order to live my life now. I have never actually put on zombie guts, mind you, but I imagine it would feel the same. Because if I reveal my true self, an empathetic, compassionate human being who believes all people should be treated fairly and equally, who also believes in the golden rule, the animals out there will see me as being weak and stupid, and will try to take advantage of me. And so, like the dog who barks at an intruder, I am forced to act just like that at times, because power makes the world go round. (and where power is, so is plenty of money)

Like you said, it's exactly like that with chimps, gorillas, a pack of wolves, sea lions, and yes, humans. You still think we are above animals, that because we are so intelligent and clever, we don't have animal instincts anymore. Look at the interactions around you, listen to the conversations, and watch how people behave.

[–]fromthecrypt80 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Well said, but how can these instincts be explained? Would it be that the resistance of the pack in accepting the beta as a transitioned alpha is like one big shit test to see if he is indeed strong enough to be the new protector of the crowd?

Are we ultimately that simple still?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

In a way, yes. The women will "shit test" him to ensure that he is a powerful one, one worthy of having his seed in her for good genes. Or, to put it in today's civilized terms, "something happened"...

Why does a bird fly south for the winter? How does it know? Instinct, or genes that have been imprinted by random mutations? But the birds that fly south, survive to live and procreate. The other birds that stay north die off, and do not have future generations. What's left are birds that fly south. Kind of like this I think. The women in previous history who were attracted to powerful men had children that survived, and so on, see what I mean? That's my best guess at this.

Are we ultimately that simple still?<<

In some ways yes, we are. It's embarrassing to admit! The real tragedy, is if we all were able to admit, and talk about this in a rational intellectual manner, we wouldn't be that simple anymore, you know? But there is too much power at stake here. Women have been putting on make up and dressing provocatively for generations, manipulating men since eve gave that apple to adam. Red pill knowledge is just like putting on make up (ie lipstick), so to speak. Actually no, red pill knowledge is understanding why acting in a dominate manner to a woman is similar to a woman putting on makeup for a man.

The other thing, is that I would think it's extremely embarrassing for a woman to actually admit what is attractive to them. Guys who act like jerks, rule breakers, trouble makers, pretty much qualities that make bad fathers, unloving husbands, and definitely not long term commitments. Can you imagine? Being attracted to qualities you know are awful for the long term?

No wonder they hamster.

[–]fromthecrypt80 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Spot on with everything you said

[–]e4tshit0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

horrible crime of not being their servant anymore.

Great way of putting it. Realized a while back that if I removed all utility and resources I provided to the people around me they'd have nothing to do with me. They didn't like me for me...just what I did for them. I tested this theory out and started saying the word "no". The explosion of anger confirmed it for me, shortly after I started shedding my friends. I'd rather be alone than be around people who are always trying to find things I can do for them.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Indeed, you start saying the word no, and people react like you are dropping f bombs left and right, the harsh reaction is unbelievable! Once I learned to expect it, I was able to manage my own reactions much better. You have to be prepared to walk away from relationships.

What I found is that yes there may be a period of less friends, but you will find yourself making new friends, people who just don't want to be friends with you because of what kind of servant tasks you do for them.

[–]1empatheticapathetic9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

You're not inspiring fear through your body language. Be dominant, walk with swagger, make eye contact with men briefly, with women until they look away. Don't smile.

Once you get bigger it'll be easier. I'm not huge but I look like a serial killer (for better and for worse). People don't fuck with me. But people generally don't want to talk to me. And women tend to be disappointed when I'm not a serial killer.

[–]BasicallyAnEngineer1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

women tend to be disappointed when I'm not a serial killer.

Ha ha, what do you mean by that?

[–]1empatheticapathetic1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't have Chad looks but quite brutish looks. Brutish can be attractive but if my personality doesn't then match the tough guy persona they've created in their head, they're disappointed.

[–]2soccerbum31213 points14 points  (4 children) | Copy

If you're skinny why are you cutting?

[–]Drumcode-Equals-Life3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think he said he's getting cut, as in he's putting on muscle, no that he's cutting in the way you're thinking

[–]LordThunderbolt6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

He wants to be Zyzz, 120lbs shredded as dark because abs bro

[–]Torabor64-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Probably skinnyfat. He shouldn't be cutting either way

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil21 points22 points  (3 children) | Copy

If you really are making chest gains make sure to roll out your upper chest with a lacross ball and your lats with a foam roller. Also do face pulls. You don't want to get anterior rotated shoulders.

When a skinny grad nerd such as yourself outs on muscle rapidly in a body part usually they develop an imbalance.

Just preventing the thing that always happens in your situation for happening. Your welkies

[–]aigamithite1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Also upper-mid traps, adductors, abductors and vastus medialis.

Source: More scar tissue than Freddy Krueger

[–]motorsizzle0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think of push and pull. If I'm hitting chest hella hard then I hit back hella hard as well to keep balance.

[–]Hjalmbere6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Any real friends would cheer you on. If you have such friends. Keep them. You don't need the others. You don't need to make them into enemies either. Just stop hanging out.

[–]segagaga7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Moving away from your home town will be very freeing for you. People will see you as you are, not as you used to be.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

The reason that people do this is the same reason that shows like Maury and Jerry Springer have such enduring popularity.

People enjoy feeling superior to those around them. But it is easier to achieve that feeling by tearing others down than by putting in the effort to actually be better.

[–]Lighthouse_776 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

That sucks, man. I’ve been there.

It’s kin of a different manifestation of the “if you want to do it, you’ll find a way. If you don’t, you’ll find an excuse” mentality.

People seem to feel as if they’re better than you. You got aspirations? Nah. Get real. You’re making progress? You’re wasting your time. You achieved your goals? You’re just privileged if you made money. You’re just a nerd if you excel in a field that requires intelligence. You’re getting ripped? You’re too ripped. It looks unnatural. Getting laid? brain short-circuits what do you think you’re better than me?

Getting laid is the most primitive form of validation. No one can really take that away from you. They won’t like it but they’ll have to accept it. All they can do is try to take it away from you. I think you’re more alpha than you think.

[–]suske1274 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

The transition period you're dealing with now is the toughest part about TRP, in my opinion. Some say it's swallowing the pill but I think it's actually getting started implementing it, because as you say, the people around you see you making progress and for some fucked up reason, want nothing more than to destroy it.

Though it's cliche' I blame this on jealousy. They notice a change happening, notice you getting stronger and getting closer to success, but they don't know how or why or where it came from, and if they did know about TRP most would unable to swallow.

If it's people close to you doing this, I would recommend you start to distance from them. This again is one of the worst parts. But new friends will come with your newfound attitude and successes.

My advice to you is (if you haven't already) make sure you read up on how to LOOK and ACT like an "Alpha Male" and start practicing. Speak louder and more firm, practice dominant posture, eye contact, etc.

If it means anything to you I'm 5'7 and 125-130 lbs so likely the same build as you - All through High School I was made fun of for being skinny but since starting college, my posture and attitude have changed which make me look (visibly) bigger, and which makes my confidence larger than my body. I haven't heard a "you're skinny/small" comment in almost 2 years because of the progress I've made.

Keep lifting, and don't leave any muscle group out - I lifted for 4 years but rarely worked my back muscles which contributed to me looking so tiny in HS and made my posture weak as fuck. Keep reading/implementing dominance techniques like strong posture, eye contact, strong vocals, and so on. Practice talking to everybody and find a mission for your life if you don't already have one. Once you have your mission/goal, go fucking get it man. You'll get there when you get there.

[–]Sworbo3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is a problem with any kind of change you ever make.

People ... like predictability of the people around them. It makes it simpler for them to navigate their life.

I tried to explain it this way to a young man once: imagine all the people around you as furniture in the room. Now, imagine that after months/years with your living room arranged one way, your couch just up and moves itself. Your first reaction, even if the new place is better, is going to be you pushing it back to it's old place.

People do this to the people around them all the time, often without even knowing it.

It's why you see people "blossom" when they change schools or move. They are not surrounded by people trying to keep them in one place. We like to think of this mostly coming from poorly intentioned people, but even very good people have a hard time just accepting the changes in their friends and acquaintances. The differences are always noticed, and at some level tested.

I try very hard to not be that person. Accept everybody for the person they want to be today, especially if that change is in a positive direction.

[–]icedupsmackhead9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Remember building muscle is 20% gym and 80% diet. Protein and a shit load of vegetables. As you were.

[–]nazis_are_socialists10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

You forgot about sleep. Nice try though

[–]XanderS3118 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

In a nutshell: So fucking what?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Listen to the fool's reproach! It is a kingly title!" -W. Blake

[–]michasv4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

mann those things will happen.. i lost 2 close friends since i began my process. some friends can't tolerate you're success. some friends are your friends BECAUSE you're a beta. so actually you start to discover who is who WHEN you climbing up. and i personally say fuck that because if those people were friends with me just because i was weak and easily manipulated then what kind of a relationship we had in the first fucking place? now i understand why pac said "fuck friends" because the closest of all you're friends could be a sellout and it's nothing personal because everybody in this world taking care of their own interests. never be naive and don't even believe without questioning.

[–]yuyevin4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

When I started working out and "dieting" (not eating like a fucking pig) I got all sorts of negative comments. "Don't you eat?" "Don't feel bad about your chubbiness!" "Why don't you enjoy a meal?" It's just depressed people who are watching another depressed person become not-depressed. They'll do anything they can do keep you down in that hole where they are because it rationalizes how they feel.

Fuck them all. Do you.

[–]pusangani3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

It sounds like you're surrounded by betas and are alpha, you just don't believe you are, caring what these people think is keeping you on their level bud.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Kneecap to the balls for these fuckers and as they are curled up on the ground in a fetal position, gasping for air, you just walk away smirking.

[–]mr_wiffles3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

The boys are scared of you - they can’t compete with raw progress. The girls are jealous and petty, thus tearing you down.

None of these children are worth your time; cut them off. Find MEN and WOMEN with whom to associate, as the others you mentioned need to grow up.

[–]FREEDNA3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I am 5’9

Heightism from women is insane.

[–]massivewang2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

As I TRPed and began working on myself the book "No More Mr Nice Guy" was instrumental for my journey. The biggest take away was that I needed to make decisions that were in my own best interest regardless of how other people respond. Because at the end of the day only I know what is best for me, and only I am capable of doing so.

Do what you need to do and fuck the haters. I have cut out all contact with people who are not authetnic and who do not want what is best for me. For any negativity I encounter either from women or men I simply let Amused Mastery and Agree and Amplify guide my responses. I never get defensive and always brush it off.

Keep up the good work in the gym. If it's possible, I'd really encourage you to bulk up and put on some mass. I did so myself earlier in the year and all of the sudden men and women have begun to refer to me as the "big guy" or "Tall, strong, and handsome". I am 6'2 and have been lifitng for a few years now, but this most recent phase of mass gain seems to have really altered how people view me. I'm getting more IoIs from chicks and more respect from men by default.

[–]blimp112 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

What other people think is none of your business. Don’t make their thoughts your thoughts. Thought is the font of all things

[–]3flp2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Seeing this type of resistance is how you know you're on the right track. Keep it up. I speak from personal experience.

[–]ImALoneWolfBaby2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I noticed people who don't respect you, will continue not to respect you when you improve yourself. They almost seem offended that you are trying to be a better you. An example is this guy from my high school was really tiny like skinnier than me and shorter than average. He looked like a boy. I wasn't apart of that group of friends but had some mutual friends and basically nobody took him serious. There were typical jokes etc. Fast forward 2 years into Uni and the guy is SHREDDED. Well those same people still poke fun at him and don't take him serious. I think the bottom line is what /u/blinddoorman has said...you are around negative people. Get rid of them as fast as you can.

[–]NitricTV2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

A girl did that to me once. I look at my friend, looked back at her, shrugged and said idgaf. Fingered her later the year.

Don’t let words get to you.

[–]wanderer7792 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

It's a test. So first of all you have to stop caring. Then bust out some a&a or ignore.

"how are you lifting that much at your size"

"haha, what?" (go back to your phone/lifting journal or whatever and ignore)

"I can teach you but you have to pay me"

"I'm do enough steroids to make Arnold worried"

"how did a schmuck like you land her?"

"haha, yeah." (walk away)

"she's a prostitute."

"you're chest is getting awkwardly big"

"stop assuming my gender shitlord"

More important than the actual replies is that you truly dgaf what these people think. I find it helps to flip it around and try to fund a logical reason why you should care. You won't be able to.

[–]FinallyRed0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's most important to not let them get a rise out of you and I think the general disinterest goes farther than trying to throw out some lines. If their words have gotten to you despite what you've learned here, it's safe to say it's easier to feign disinterest/distraction than confidently throw out a line.

[–]fromthecrypt82 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Crab people craaaab people.

[–]turboRock2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

There are two types of people in the world (generalising hugely).

One type will see you doing well and think to themselves "wow, check that guy out. He used to be so different at school. I should learn from him as I want to be like that too to improve myself".

The second type will be "Hey, that loser from school is doing better than I am! It's making me feel guilty about my own shortcomings. Something is wrong! Let's drag him down back to our level"

You don't need the second type in your life. Cut them out.

[–]yessum4472 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Weak, low quality people don't like to see the people around them improve themselves because they gather validation by comparing themselves to the people around them.

When you become a better version of yourself they'll always find a way to rationalize being better than you so that they can continue to think highly of themselves, when they can no longer objectively feel better than you, they'll start making moral/subjective arguments (I.E. He's an asshole, he's a weird guy/creeper, etc.). The only people you can really be close friends with are people who actively enjoy seeing you succeed and celebrate the positive change in your life.

Women aren't disturbed by your progress, they're angry that they're no longer better than you. They want to feel good about themselves because they're better than you, but they can't anymore. Same with the guys at the gym. Always have to find a way to rationalize how they're better than everyone around them.

[–]Werkzeug810 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

And once you have a group of friends with winning attitudes life is awesome. Source: was once a satly loser. Now have tons of high energy positive fun friends (everyone else thinks we're douchebags though)

[–]yessum4470 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

If everyone thinks you're douchebags then you're probably douchebags. There should be a mix of people that love/hate you.

[–]Flawless440 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, his friends love him, and others think he's a douche.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Receiving flak like that from others is an indication that your frame hasn't improved with your gainz or physical appearance.

I experienced a similar result after cutting for the first time in my life and looking great. I was getting more attention, but my ego wasn't used to it. People would catch on, see the cracks in my frame and exploit them. You need to harden the fuck up psychologically. You need to develop your ego. People can intuit immediately if you're not the 'kind' of person they should toss a shit test at. Building frame starts with building self esteem. I recommend the 6 pillars of self esteem by Nathaniel Branden. Once you internalize your self worth, you'll notice this type of petty shit, ESPECIALLY FROM GIRLS, comes to a halt. Other alpha dudes will always fuck with you (respectfully) and that is healthy. But women should never be putting you down like that. At least not unless you're trying to get into their pants and seriously break frame.

[–]TheLaughingRhino 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Here's the one universal truth I've learned from around the world.

People will leave you alone when they understand three complete absolutes about you

  1. You will embrace confrontation, if needed, with full measure.
  2. They don't know what you are "going to do to them", they only know they won't like it
  3. They understand at a certain litmus of your "reasonableness" that you simply won't negotiate and your will cannot be subverted in any way

I'm a big believer in being "kind" ( not nice, not a simp, not a pushover, not a beta bucks) and talking to everyone. Just be "confrontational" about it. I have no problem opening a door for women, but they are going to mother fucking walk through it. I don't have a problem helping an old lady with her heavy bags to her car, but there is no choice about me doing that or not.

When people mentally lock in on the idea that " It's not worth it to argue with him, just go along so I don't have to deal with any of it" then you won't have a problem with most people.

People who can achieve "functional distance" i.e. they don't see you as a hopeless loser but they just don't see the incentive to fuck with you, offer push/pull.

One of the easiest ways to create push pull is to walk right up in someone's face. Right up, nose to nose. Then whisper at them. "What did you say?"

You are making them uncomfortable in way where they just resent you. I'm saying make them uncomfortable in a way where they cannot functionally understand you. And deep down they don't want to understand you.

They are no longer in a position to create situations that you have to react to, when they are stuck having to react to you.

There's IDGAF and then there's IDGAF if I live or die, you live or die, or anyone here lives or dies. The latter you can't fake. It's just the way you carry yourself.

I recognize different things work for different people. I consistently invade other people's personal space. I ask invasive questions. I saw mostly what I want. I'm loud. I have no concern over confrontation. Recognize this is non work, at work, that's a different animal. But in every other instance in your life, do what you want.

You know the kind of dick that most women want to suck? The dick belonging to the guy who makes them feel very comfortable and very uncomfortable all at the same time.

Walk right in their face. You'd be surprised how many people simply fall back. I know many here will say what if you have to fight. Then you have to fight. I'd rather fight the 1 out of 10,000 times than eat shit 9,999 times otherwise. I know guys here will say fighting or risking fight is "losing frame" No, trying to negotiate with a bully ( most people out there are shitkicking bullies) is losing frame. You don't negotiate with a bully, you just run them over.

Confrontation is an art. Most people avoid it. Be a loser at everything else, but be a winner at confrontation, and you'll eat less shit in life. Just my 2 cents.

[–]testiclezits0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You better be able to fight with that attitude.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

These are shit tests sparked by their little vaginas tingling for reasons they know not why. The reflex reaction is to strike out and be a total cunt. They need to know if this changing man is actually "Alpha" or if he is just pretend.

The solution is to take charge of the criticism. Use disapproving looks. Treat them like annoying little children. Ignore what they say. Watch what they suck, not who they fuck with.

Your move is to game these girls because these are Indicators of Interest. Pro tip: Getting butthurt will not validate their interest.

[–]Avskygod04 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Holy fuck America is that degenerated

[–]Hussy681 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

There is an Elliot hulse video about this. Should probably watch it.

[–]Torabor644 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

There is an Elliot Hulse video about everything we need to know in life tbh. His channel should be in the sidebar if it isnt there already.

[–]heelface1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This happened to me as I made progress from a well known beta to alpha. My friends have spent nights trying to prevent me from getting laid (literally 10 of them standing around me shouting things at me as I talked to a girl).

My take is that it would be crushing for their ego to admit that there's a way out, and they can't/won't make that choice. If its not impossible, its possible. If its possible, then they're not victims they've just failed.

[–]subgamer901 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Honestly dude the further I read into this the more I realized that these people are actually just projecting their insecurities onto you. Like with the lifting thing, when they say "how can you lift that much?" what they really mean is "how can this person who is in my friend group and who I consider equal to or perhaps beneath me, lift that much when I can't?" Of course, the next logical thing for them to think if they were motivated people is "maybe if he can do it, I can do it."

But they don't think that. Because they have a loser mentality like most people. A loser mentality is when you just accept your lot in life and you "accept" that other people are simply better than you and they got luckier than you in life and you're just screwed. And you whine about how unfair it is. And when you see someone who's gone beyond what they "should", it blows your mind and you resent them. That's what most people do.

But a winner doesn't accept anything, because a winner only accepts that he forges his own destiny. Your life is in your own hands to mold it as you wish. I don't accept anything, I only accept what I can create with my own two hands and my mind. Along the way you'll alienate people who are "normal-thinkers", and that's fine. They can accept their lot in life if they want, it's their own life they're fucking up.

You have to be a bit delusional to be successful. Even if you're broke, didn't finish college, are lazy, drank too much when you were younger, are too fat/skinny, are addicted to porn and videogames, or whatever else. It doesn't matter. You have to tell yourself that you'll be a millionaire one day, that you'll drive a ferrari one day. And you have to use that fire to put in the work without caring what anyone thinks. Because the only difference between a millionaire and you is that he's put in the work it takes to make a million and you haven't.

[–]01-559-26201 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The amount of girlfriends and wives of my friends that make shitty comments while we are all hanging out just to text me within a day two to tell me they really like what they saw is fucking ridiculous.

So just keep doing what you do. You are already above it.

[–]RPpieceofgarbage1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

My favorite experiences involve the people who don't lift in your life that say "oh you can skip the gym look at you? We haven't hung out in so long, is lifting more important than me?"


"Why have you gotten so stuck in this new "life" of yours?"

"Because I'm tired of being the same"

[–]strikethrough1231 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is why I've found it much easier to completely disassociate yourself with any of these people while improving, all my flings are private except to a couple of close friends and the women in question. Moving to another city definitely helps. It's difficult to change one's first impression of you when you're changing, in their mind it literally looks like you're trying too hard to be someone you're not, but that's all completely bullshit. If you meet someone new and present this new persona, they won't know any better and will assume that this is you. Everything about you is malleable.

[–]DarkuSchneider1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is normal. The more successful you get the more haters you will have. It will be stronger if they only knew you as a beta. Ignore the passive aggressive jabs its just crab bucket mentality. Think of it as a shit test. Do not let them get you emotional and push your buttons. The best revenge is going forward with your life happy and accomplished while the haters stew in their own misery.


If they have no power over your paycheck, degree, or future in some way their opinions have less than 0 fucking value, act accordingly. In a sense your writing about this indicates you are still seeking external validation from others. If you need any then it's the projected jealousy from others in your examples. Your validation is you are getting more action from hot women than the Incels jacking off to anime at home. Your validation is how many plates of weight did you add to that bar and make gains from. Getting results in your mission is the only validation you need.


All projections of jealousy. How are you with her? Because she likes men instead of femboys. Girls says someone is too hot for you? Just answer 'Too hot for you perhaps'. (Leave the I'm at the start of that statement unsaid, her hamster will fill it in for you). How can you lift so much? 'The power of gains baby' kiss that bicep and walk away smiling. Example three they are jealous and figuring out what they missed. "Maybe they know how to find good men.../want men instead of boys" Wear those bite marks with pride. Of course answering all this passive aggressive BS with passive retorts can cause drama but if you're a man you can take it. The more haters you have the better you are doing.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

With real attitude, no way someone is going to put you down like that. They probably do it because they know they can get away with it. Have you tried to do anything to show that messing with you comes with a price?

And what I find completely strange is that you say how strangers were approaching you and asking questions..99% you give off completely beta vibe..guys smell you are not going to bite back and they attack.

[–]Cairnsian1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

"school gym" are you still a teenager associating with other teens? That would explain the purpose of this post.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

No one goes out of their way to knock you down because no offense no one cares enough nor is getting paid to do so.

[–]Arabian_Wolf6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Oh man you never heard of hatred, jealousy and the need to get revenge.

[–]Jake_le_Dog1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hey man, I have a tip for you: there's a difference between strength based and hypertrophy based training.

Strength: lower rep range (1-5) at high % of your 1 Rep Max (1RM)

Hypertrophy: higher rep range (8-12 reps) at lower % of 1RM

There's intermediate and endurance rep ranges having respective %s of 1RM accordingly.

Find a program where you can make strength gains AND size gains (hypertrophy) in one session, or have them alternate throughout the week.

Many studies prove this, many disprove it. My own body seems to respond to this method well. Do your own research, and experiment with what works well for you.

[–]huruma1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why are you letting them get to you? Just smile confidently and they will understand that it's because of your huge dick.

[–]Kryptic_Knight1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

My common responses were;

"I'm awesome bro, you're not".

for women; "I don't nderstand it either, its like she fucks with dudes who aren't fuckboys".

And walk away soon after. "Asshole" is usually the response to which I always reply with "Thanks, its a gift".

[–]Leonidas_790 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Asshole. I fucking love that word.

Grin wryly and snort, lock eyes and say “You love it”. Magic.

[–]supersam1120 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Bro there is the no such thing as a beta male. It’s all in your head, you don’t have to listen to anyone’s crap. I am 6.3” 155lbs and skinny as fuck. Was married to a beautiful woman and heard that almost every day. It didn’t make me like a beta, of anything the fact they are jealous and mentioning you should Tell you something. If there really alpha why would they bother with beta and putting you down? All that matters is what you feel and think about yourself. Women love kindness, confidence and smartness over muscles and appearance of an alpha. Off course there are the superficial ones but you don’t want them anyways.

[–]SouthernFit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

All you should know is that it is working. Keep doing what you are doing. Personally If someone was saying things like that to me, it would be total validation in my mind.

[–]tiberius140 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you don't mind my asking, where is this awful place you live in, so that I may never set foot on it?

Also, are this people you speak of 16? Not joking. Are they?

By the way, well done at the gym, man! Just filter those a-holes out!

[–]imaginethegainz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is so true. I'm still in hs and last year I decided to come out of my shell and stop being silent at school. Talking to other kids at my school was actually pretty fun, and my confidence increases and I may have become a little cocky. Everyone started to hate me, and I got shut down pretty fast because I had never really dealt with that kind of adversity before. When people told me to shut my mouth, I replied with a "heh heh ok dude." I got depressed for like a year, but now I've made the decision to crawl out of the beta male pit and tell everyone who thinks I'm annoying to fuck off.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You simply have to become superior

[–]squishles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

it sounds like you have a lot of people around you that need to not be around you.

strangers walking up to me and asking what’s going on?

That part's fucking weird though are you in a small town or something? because these people have issues.

[–]asotranq0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's pretty fucking incredible isn't it. I've been lifting for almost a year and a half now, and I've literally been mocked for paying due diligence to my diet and training by a few people. The funny thing is, most of the negativity will come from people that look worse than you, or people that know you're on the right track and will soon eclipse them. It's actually a sign of real progress, when I was an anorexic cancer boy I literally NEVER heard an ounce of negativity from pretty much anyone.

[–]Drumcode-Equals-Life0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The worst part of trying to better yourself is dealing with the fat fucks that try to give you shit for going to the gym - enjoy your early heart attack asshole, I'll be pulling chicks while you're dying in a hospital somewhere at 45 years old

[–]University_Is_Hard0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

When i was in school, i started out pretty fat. Hit the gym and started playing sports, lost a load of weight and got in shape. Still had people calling me fat when i could probably both bench them and outrun them.

[–]Euphoricentia0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

OP when you are born above others socially, it is easy to make remarks when you never had to work for anything.

Of course, just ignore these people, they're not positive and people will always be talking their shit behind your back if they don't like you.

When I get into arguments nowadays, it is funny to see how the emotional daggers that I throw hurt people, but anything said to me is absolutely meaningless, while the other is running through high emotions, I displaying anger, but not really going through the emotion.

Also if you every get into a situation when you're above others socially, remember to be humble at all times, but it is hard for me sometimes to not bring people down when I see how mediocre and stupid people are.

[–]Euphoricentia0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Also if you have the oppurtunity to shit on these people one day, do it. fucking hilarious, 10/10 revenge is always funny to me

[–]ThePanasonicYouth0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you don't have people that dislike you, then you don't know what it feels like to be liked.

[–]bornalone770 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

As long as the bitches love you, that's all that matters. Dudes are gonna hate you for that.

[–]jarrai80000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fuck all of them. If they are trying to bring you down, they are wasting your time, and you should tell them that, bluntly.

[–]ThickDickWarrior890 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Brother, are you skinny fat? glo can fix dis

[–]fastnail0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Cut those negative people out of your life, perhaps a period of going Monk mode would help you improve further...here's a guide -


[–]skrrrttt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

how much do you bench brah?

[–]vinilzordd0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This reminded me of the "crabs in a barrel" analogy.

Ditch the negative people off and enjoy ur life bro. Law of Association is real

Best regards :)

[–]SgtSplacker0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I have always just kept any financial or sexual gains to myself. People see another person doing well and it always goes against you to some degree.

[–]trp_angry_dwarf0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Tall poppy syndrome. Fuck the haters. They're intimidated and jealous.

I'd take it as a compliment. Every negative comment is a reminder of how well I'm doing.

[–]huge_gap0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

But here's the important question... why is this girl with you?

[–]AllahHatesFags0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Crab bucket mentality. Ignore those who are inferior to you; their opinions are less than worthless.

[–]5t3fan00 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

if all these crabs and cunts are reacting this way to your life gainz, then you must be doing it right... keep up the good work bro!

[–]SnickeringBear0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Perhaps I misunderstand, why do you even care what they think?

The measurement standard should always be to become a better man than you were 6 months ago.

[–]bigandfullballs0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Keep these ideas in mind. Definitely expand your social circle. Don't stop improving yourself regardless of anything. Remember that you don't have to explain shit to anyone and can always maintain frame, then walk away. If you're explaining, you're losing. The only person you have to prove things to is yourself.

[–]sanicthehedgefund0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Oh boy. Worst case of crab bucket I have ever heard. People pulling you aside to question why you mingle with some people? Good lord. But you are an inspiration to me. Soon I will return to my hometown where I was a total "loser", so I will have to do deal with that shit. Cross your fingers for me my bro!

[–]RandomAdviceRobotZ0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's not just women, men will do the same thing. Been there, seen it. Ghost them all. (maybe fuck their girlfriends first if you want to)

[–]JR-DC10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Time to move on and burn some bridges on the way. Along with progress comes hate from bitches, but is up to you to take it seriously. I personally chose to cut some old friends and acquaintances off after I noticed they started acting childish and hating me for my progress.

[–]madethewrongmistake0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"Don't talk to me"

That's all you need.

[–]Leonidas_790 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just laugh it off because you know the only reason they’re doing it is because you’re doing well and they’re afraid they’re losing control of you/you’re climbing above them. They’re insecure.

[–]tolerantman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I would grit my teeth, smile, joke etc

See? That's your problem, if you start being honest with yourself and not let bullshit coming your way, then the bullshit will stop.

[–]GuanabanaSamurai0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Bruhh.... This was me during the process of when I first took the red pill 3 years ago. When you're actually making an effort towards the pursuit of self transformation they subconsciously/consciously feel it and they can't stand it. It's generally the fear they have of what you WILL become: Leader of the Pack. They don't want you to get better. They want you to stay as that minuscule insect that gets crushed beneath their feet. Keep improving, you're doing great.

[–]GoGetting0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

How are you responding to the people who do this? It sounds like you're letting them get away with it.

When someone pulls you aside to inquire why any woman would like you, are you telling them what to do to themselves? When strangers come up to you to ask why you're with that girl, why would you joke and smile? It should be closer to staring them in the face with no smile and saying "because your mom is worn out".

It sounds a lot like you're broadcasting weakness, and failing to stand up for yourself. Either that or you live in the most obnoxious city on the planet.

[–]1PantsonFire12340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The problem is that 1. guys thing change happens over night. They gain 5 lbs and now the world has to notice their gains. They fucked one pussy and now they are a pussy slayer. If you want to become Chad you have to live like him day in and day out for years. It has to become routine

Very few guys actually start out as Chad, if at all. It's a gradual climb, some guys only break through in their late 20s. It's like the NFL, the biggest stars in College sometimes fuck up and some guy that played at a low ranked school becomes a hall of famer.

Allot about your posts suggests that you are overestimating yourself by a ton. And this probably creates the friction you are referring to. Sorry to say but you will have to grow a ton more in every area before you will be considered the top dog.

[–]Locastor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I believe this would be a good time to repost Pook's journey to 205 lbs

I have gained over 50+ pounds of muscle mass. There is a saying that when skinny guys get big, when they look in the mirror, they still see the skinny guy. This is true, as my ‘skinny mind’ hasn’t yet caught up with my body.

Let me tell you of the change of reactions I got from the women:

For your reading pleasure,

Fat Girl = Means a big girl that requires an elephant gun.

Ugly Girl = In the same category as Fat Girl. These girls may not be fat, but it hurts to look at them.

Average Girl = They don’t hurt your eyes, but they aren’t amazing enough to attract your eyes. Average girls are the plain Janes.

Cute Girls = Often, they are innocent average girls whose innocence makes them cute. They are a bit picky about who they end up with as they are inexperienced.

Very Attractive = Great curves, long luscious hair, nice everything. These women know they are very attractive and sometimes narcissistically wear outfits to reflect it.

Very Beautiful = Bombshell. Every guy will notice this girl and stare and gawk. You know one of these women are around by seeing the satellites of boys trying to be ‘friends’ with them. Guys fear these magnificent creatures.


I started out around 155 pounds at 6’3 height. This meant that I was very skinny. I was also considered a nice looking guy. Women loved me being tall.

At this point, I had to deal with a lot of fat chicks hitting on me. These girls were BIG and I wanted nothing to do with them. Ugly girls also would come to me. This was me not doing anything. This was what my body was attracting all alone. If I wanted to get a cuter girl, I had to work for it.

I have problems talking to women, not because I am scared or boring, but because I sense the women think I am ‘below’ them. And the truth is that they do.

I date average women.


Already, things have changed. The fat/ugly women still go for me but they don’t think I’m as easy. They want to enter oneitis with me. The ‘unworthy’ girls category would now all be staring at me. To the beautiful women, I’m just a typical guy. Cute girls now enjoy talking to me.

I still date average women and now some cute women


“You are looking very good,” my older female manager told me. The fat/ugly women no longer hit on me (thank goodness!) and people (out of the blue) are asking why I don’t have a girlfriend. Average girls are beginning to stare.

I date only cute women with some very attractive ones mixed in.


Average girls are now hitting on me. Very attractive women are checking me out. At this stage, every woman is happy to talk to me. They all secretly wonder if I’m gay.

I date more very attractive women but still have the cute ones.


OK, when you don’t have a girlfriend at this stage, the ladies will whisper, “Is he gay?” all the time. One girl got bold about it and asked me point blankly, “Pook, you are cute and all. So why don’t you have a girlfriend?” I was stunned by her bluntness (rare among women).

Average women consider me out of their league. Cute ones try to become my ‘friend’.

I date only very attractive women. Beautiful women are still a bit of an anomalie.


When you get to this stage, something very strange happens. All the attention and staring women gave you is gone (mostly). Ugly/Fat women will despise you as will the average women. Most girls will be scared of you (cute girls, very attractive girls)

Let me give you some examples. One Very Beautiful girl was in several of my classes. I start talking to her and she has plenty of time to leave. But she doesn’t... she stays to keep talking to me. The girls now notice me, but are a bit scared to talk and act around me.

One cute girl is like a leech to me in one of my classes. She must sit right next to me, must ‘borrow my notes’, must talk to me 20 minutes after class everyday...

One Very Beautiful woman was a fitness instructor at my gym (think ‘well muscled’ with nice strong legs (those strong thighs come in handy with her dealings with the Pook-man!)). Every time I saw this girl, she always had a ‘satellite’ boy around her. Who does she end up with? Me.

Or the ultimate example: there was a girl I was in oneitis that drove me to this webpage. As I got bigger, her reactions to me changed as well. At 155, I was ‘average’. At 175, she knew something was up. I got her at 195.

Now I date some Very Attractive women but most are Very Beautiful Women.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Stop being reactive. Do you thing, be on your path and simply let the unimportant things truly slide. Let it go. It does not help you at all. You are making progress, and that's good, but why do you constantly need to turn to others in order to receive good feedback? You don't need compliments to keep going, you need a good head on your shoulders and an unreactive, carefree, BLAZE attitude.

[–]mydogfartzwithz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I actually can sympathize with you. My advice as well as everything this sub says is, stop giving people your attention if they dont deserve it. Ok so you use the term "beta/alpha" Stop that entirely. Second, imagine if this was the 1950s and you were black living in a white world. Play a simulation in your mind. Walk around and see people looking at you. What do they say, how do they look? Its a mental game, you have to get your core confidence up. Forget all the beta alpha shit. Thats not reality, stop taking life so seriously. Anyone who does isnt worth your time

Passing shit tests is giving them the validation that theyre above you and you have to earn their respect. They want to feel better about themselves.

[–]yomo860 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Most improvers lack the ability to be aggressive with other males and females out of the context of game. You shall not outright threatinig them but saying with a big chest and abs that they have overstepped a line or that missy just should shut up is mostly enough. People are afraid of conflict and in the past you were no source of conflict - Chad on the other hand is and was. It is called crabs in a bucket for a reason.

[–]NotLuceBree0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This will be a constant in your life as you continue to improve.

What I've learned is that aiming for bigger things in life often alienates you from others. I have a great physique, I often sacrifice social opportunities for career advancement opportunities, I read a lot--people just don't get it. And of course, it goes both ways, I tend to have little patience for most people now, because most people are lazy or complacent.

Just keep working on yourself and eventually you'll begin to find and connect with people on a similar path to yours. They'll understand why you can't hang because you have to hit the gym in the morning, they'll understand that you need to focus on your career, they'll be interested in what books you've read and will recommend some for you, etc.

You're learning why most people never get anywhere in life, and you're learning how threatened others are by success.

Keep going, you're doing the right thing.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

i see this shit happening too. I've lost 30lbs recently and now people say things to me like "dude you are going to starve and die" or "oh the old you would have been down to go trick or treating and eat candy" stupid shit. just let them stay losers.

[–]summersss0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

People who knew the old you can't forget it. It makes them uncomfortable, its natural. Similar thing happened to me. No I am am nowhere near buff, I'm skinny so my belly shows, so once I started loosing it everyone noticed. The comments were more along the lines of "quiting the chips and soda" and "going for some girls with that six pack". I actually liked it, showed I was making gains and I can shrug of silly thing like that since those people are co-workers at partime job, not friends. Basically you remind them of what they are not doing. They know this will end with you being another buff guy that girls drool over. Girls have to deal with the hypocritical of saying that you were not their type before but magically being into you now.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think you have schizophrenia

[–]Kriptic415-5 points-4 points  (0 children) | Copy

CRINGE. This just so much cringe. I don't know why you made a fake post. Are you trying to garner attention to yourself? Boy, we all know your neckbeard, fedora wearing butt is not having any contact with any girl. The way you describe her was already evidence of you making up this story.

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