How true is the RedPill about female nature?

mannyso · 2020-12-06T03:26:17+00:00

I believe that everyone wants the best that they can get and that there are certain privileges that each gender enjoys.

I don’t think men are any more moral than women. In fact I think they would act the same if given the opportunity. For me redpill is just removing this idea that women are so different than men.

asperges_me_domine · 2020-12-06T04:11:57+00:00

I find it rather odious, especially when they get to solipsism and hamstering territory. It makes it virtually impossible to have a level debating playing field because any point I make could be dismissed as irrational female "thought." I enjoy and savor my inner life of the mind, it's a shame some men think I'm incapable of doing anything besides checking my nonexistent instagram. The AF/BB might be true for some women, but it's not a phenomenon I've noticed in my social setting. It's also hilariously untrue for me- my husband is anything but a beta, even though I outearn him almost 2:1. We also married young and never had time to ride the CC. MRP makes us laugh. Oh lord.

PM_ME_SPICY_DECKS · 2020-12-06T04:27:28+00:00

The dude who wrote the alpha/beta things about wolves has been begging people for years to stop applying it to humans and that it's not even a very good way to understand the behavior or wolves.

ChibsFilipTelfordd · 2020-12-06T03:21:09+00:00

They get some things right they get some things wrong.

I personally wouldn't use red pill to understand female nature any deeper than the basic stuff like women prefer masculine men. AWALT is bogus because women are individuals.

Not all women spend their prime years sleeping around for example. Majority don't in fact, the median # of partners for both men and women is under 10.

I think there is truth to both hypergamy and AF/BB but again women are individuals and there is a lot of variability. You can't just generalize something like this to every single woman. I would say something like AF/BB is only relevant to the minority of women who participate in the casual sex market.

I think the biggest flaw of RP here is that they chase after these exact types of women who participate in the casual sex market and employ the dual mating strategy and are hypergamous, however they don't account for the majority of women that aren't like that.

All that being said I think every man should atleast be aware of TRP material so he knows what kind of red flags to look out for. This will prevent you from getting burned and jaded in the future.

2020-12-06T04:47:46+00:00

It's true for some women, but not all women. It's also true for some men, but not all men.

I'd say it's more human nature than female nature. Human nature is to get the best mate possible, regardless of gender. There are people who date/marry people who aren't physically attractive, but that's because they are the best at something else.

Men who end up dating/marrying ugly women do so because those women are the best at something too. Perhaps they are really good at sex, or they connect more emotionally with that girl than they have with anyone in their entire lives. Perhaps that girl makes the BEST food and they are a foodie.

PrincessFKNPeach · 2020-12-06T04:20:15+00:00

What has always bothered me is that according to their own logic, since men are biologically wired to be drawn to youth/beauty because they are markers for fertility, isn't a preference for a younger, more beautiful mate a form of hypergamy itself?

Why does the female preference for tall men count as hypergamy but male physical preferences don't?

EusticeSymington · 2020-12-06T04:19:25+00:00

I think there is a modicum of truth to both red pill and fds stuff but on Reddit and twitter, it's borderline pathological and makes us start to resent the other gender while forgetting that irl isnt quite as bad.

thetruthishere_ · 2020-12-06T04:12:26+00:00

Any person could fit into some box, its just not the majority.

Do I know a bunch of men out there are crap, players, etc, etc? Yup. Do I place all men there? Nope.

Do I know crappy women are out there? Yup. Dont place all women there either.

People are people, like attracts like and hurt people hurt people.

LittyKitsune · 2020-12-06T04:29:48+00:00

I think it's important to separate out two questions: can/does RedPill work on women, and is it right about female nature. A lot of people treat them as being the same question that have to have the same answer but that's not necessarily true.

You can be right about something while being wrong about the why behind it. Humans have been adept at starting fires and well many other things long before they understood the physics behind it. You can admit that RP or at least parts of it work while thinking much of the theory behind it is astrology-level bullshit.

As for me personally, I come from a biased perspective as an outlier on various fronts. I'm not drawn to traditional masculinity. It's expected, it's vanilla, it's boring. Maybe it does something for a liberal secular chick who sees traditional masculinity as some kind of edgy taboo; for me it's literally the opposite. So I can't speak to some kind of shared female nature.

myfeedconsumption · 2020-12-06T05:05:54+00:00

Do women want the best man they can find - someone confident, good-looking, tall, sociable, and has a good career? Yes.

Do men generally have lower standards than women? Yes.

Are women all lying, cheating bitches? No. Some are.

Can women be loyal? Yes. But it depends on the person.

2020-12-06T03:28:22+00:00

Marriage/monogamy are a compromise between instinctive desires and prosocial behavior, but in a social environment that's all about the individual, compromising is signing up for a bad time and a big L

SteveSan82 · 2020-12-06T05:38:04+00:00

According to behavioral psychology and evolutionary psychology, it is true. And if you want it in layman’s terms, ask a divorce lawyer.

jdobrila · 2020-12-06T07:42:51+00:00

80% correct

Sufficient-Ad-3586 · 2020-12-06T11:40:26+00:00

The kind of women red pill describes, (a hoe that slept with bad boys in her youth and now only gives the guy she settled for as she aged once a month duty sex or will dump her current bf on a dime if she gets a better offer) are usually the low tier women you wouldn’t want to LTR anyway.

There are plenty of classy women out there who genuinely care for and lust after their bf/husbands.

SaBahRub · 2020-12-06T03:38:08+00:00

You play games — you get game players and the mentally unstable

Use manipulation and exploitative tactics — get the gullible, deluded, desperate and naive

You get what you put in, basically. Most people recognize that an “amoral sexual strategy” is not going to get you a relationship with a functional person

But I guess you should try it so you can see for yourselves

XtoDoubt · 2020-12-06T04:31:08+00:00

Female nature is to get arousal and comfort. In the modern age, comfort is already largely covered by their own jobs, animals, and welfare. Best to focus on being arousing.

atelitus · 2020-12-06T17:26:45+00:00

"Women don't want to be with losers who are out of shape, lack status, and lack personality." doesn't sound like a radical notion.

I don't want to be with loser women; why should women be with loser men?

Arkad123 · 2020-12-10T00:04:30+00:00

Gov basically rewards women for divorce or gives 0 accountability for women casually becoming single mothers. Half, literally, of the kids in the UK (50%+) are raised my single parents (mostly mothers) now. They're like casual about it. So they can bang alphas, normally degenerate hyper-aggressive or dysfunctional men in my working class experience and they become single mothers which has a load of red flags. Or even if they don't, they've slept around with multiple men and are addicted to male attention / kill their ability to pair bond. Total liabilities. It's a really genuine sad state of affairs. I hate seeing my people like this.

Govt_Bird_Drone · 2020-12-06T05:29:25+00:00

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BrownEyedGringa · 2020-12-06T04:35:02+00:00

I personally am pretty hypergamous. I'd say the TRP assessment fits me well, except for the fact I don't have sex with guys to the levels they speak of. In fact, I've only had sex a couple times. If I was less shy and grew up less religious, I could see myself being the type to ride the CC or at least have sex with more cute guys.

Most of my friends are the complete opposite of TRP's "AWALT" definition, though, which makes sense since I grew up very conservative, so my friends are more like who I was at that time. They married beta-types pretty young, a lot of them stayed virgins till marriage or otherwise had only slept with one man (their one and only partner), and some are still single, but don't sleep around.

The ones in relationships are with guys who I would consider physically unattractive, but who treat them really well.

Personally, I see myself as an outlier. Most of the women around me want stability and love, and if they can only get that with ugly guys, they get with them. Works out for them, I guess. I would rather just be single.

I'd say the women in the dating pool fit TRP's profile better than the women currently in relationships or married. I don't believe in "AWALT," mainly because I've been friends with many women who are very stable and traditional and want marriage and children young or at least a LTR.

801735 · 2020-12-06T05:06:32+00:00

How true is the RedPill about female nature?

In some individual cases absolutely, in others absolutely not.

OtterPop16 · 2020-12-06T05:09:30+00:00

It's over 50% right, otherwise I wouldnt be reading all these same threads.

DyingMisfit · 2020-12-06T05:55:30+00:00

Entirely, but none of it is limited to any region.

R3adyS3tGo · 2020-12-10T09:30:08+00:00

The RedPill is an accurate depiction of the potential depravity and temptations present for women. Its like the desire to steal. There ought to be systems in place (like law for stealing) that make you question yourself and hopefully come to your senses. In the case of the west, these systems have been largely removed for female nature.

throw-away-1709 · 2020-12-06T09:58:55+00:00

It is accurate.

Hypergamy is real. I was approached from friends wifes even as i was married - bold and blunt "can't we go to the yacht? What does your man (my friend) think about this? He does not have to know - putting her hand onto my crotch"

I am still approached.

It's disgusting.

WingIllustrious · 2020-12-06T03:24:45+00:00

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GullibleClassic1 · 2020-12-06T05:15:42+00:00

The redpill is no more right about female nature then radical feminist are right about male nature.

ConiferousCalix · 2020-12-06T03:33:44+00:00

They’re right trashy women, wrong about everything else. Everything they bitch about is because they only date and interact with the worst women and just call it female nature.

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SherbertBacon · 2020-12-06T20:17:39+00:00

I would like to know what men and women on this forum feel about the RedPill assessment of female nature.

Not very. Some (a minuscule few) things really are (somewhat) universal—like a preference for masculine dimorphic features and differing strategies when seeking out casual vs. long-term relationships. The rest is bolstered by anecdotes and self-fulfilling prophecies (AWALT etc.) that can make it appear more true than it is... if you never go out and meet people in other demographics, or look at what the research on these things says.

They will spend their prime years sleeping with an alpha and then settle down with the beta provider.

Very few women employ this strategy. The median age for marriage is still 28 or younger, and if she's like a normal person that means she met her guy at 26 or even younger.

Marriage in the west is a scam that women use to rip men off

Who's creating the scam? And who's benefiting from it?

PollaTronante · 2020-12-06T21:38:33+00:00

It's not true about myself or literally any woman I know, so how can it be true for all women?

2020-12-07T02:23:00+00:00

Maslows law states that it is a need for people, regardless of gender, to reach self actualization by being the best they can be. plus, it is an innate biological trait to get the best breeding match, whether humans try to or not. its natural. good looking men have an issue just as much as women.

LooseIndication · 2020-12-07T11:33:15+00:00

Red Pill knowledge is the only empirical source, so it is the closest thing (available) to scientific knowledge about women in relationships.

It is unethical for any academic source to do relevant investigation. And it is also politically incorrect to even dare to go against the mainstream blue pill and feminazi propaganda. Any investigator risks his funding and employment by being objective. That invalidates any academic source.

Jhadiro · 2020-12-09T05:25:27+00:00

(26M) Until I experienced a red pill relationship. I would have said hell no. But unfortunately I've been though some shit.

It was my first relationship. I wanted her love more than anything. I let her lead. I gave into her shit tests. (Give me a break it was my first taste of sex and I didn't want to let it go)

She walked all the fuck over me.

Manipulated me do everything for her. Manipulation. Isolated me from friends and family Convinced me to not grow and be stagnant, hangout with her at home. Became very angry and bitter. Became depressed and stressed. Verbally abusive. Demeaning in public. Cheated on me with a 6'5 emo Wow stoner.

All I wanted was her love and trust. Thanks to red pill this will never happen to me again. As much as it is a sexist mindset, it also helps people like myself who get into relationships and those relationships destroy their lives.

Unfortunately, The Rational Male, was the most relatable book I have ever read in my entire life in regards to what can happen if you aren't a masculine man.

Whisper · 2020-12-10T09:10:35+00:00

We didn't write it to be accurate. Oh, it is, but we didn't write it for that. We wrote it to work.

People often confront me, demanding I explain this or that behaviour, often of this or that individual person, in terms of Grand Unified Red Pill Theory.

Or they get mad about me "generalizing".

Both are silly. The whole point of the red pill is "act on these generalizations, and with enough practice, you will be successful in attracting women". It's not for explaining all of human behaviour. It's for controlling some of human behaviour.

And at this point, no one, not even people who hate what we built, and hate me for building it, is seriously trying to claim that it doesn't work. That ship sailed in 2016 or so.

Oh, they try to quibble about which are the important parts. Yawn.

The only things left to argue about are:

"Yes, it works, but you are big old meanie-head misogynists!" (Yeah. So?)
"Yes, it works, but why does it work? Is it 'true' or just 'true enough'?" (Semantics.)

Vulture051 · 2020-12-15T18:42:31+00:00

The Red Pill is the darkside of the force.

Fundamentally it's right, screw Jedi, but it's very easy to become corrupted by it.

RecentRaspberry3 · 2020-12-16T19:37:17+00:00

It's stupid just like how feminism is false about male nature. This is why I'm not a feminist. Both red pill and feminism are anti marriage, pregnancy and Christian.

ThrowawayCOVID999 · 2020-12-29T03:08:24+00:00

Seems pretty accurate, women treated me like shit when I was looking for something serious, then when I cleaned up a little and started trying to get laid they weren’t so bad.

daproest1 · 2020-12-06T05:14:02+00:00

Don’t ask here. What your religion teaches is true. Talk to your father. Your father knows. Everyone here will tell you that “it depends” and blah blah blah. Just talk to your dad. I’ve met Muslim tamiles. They’re solid. Tal to your dads about this. 95% of people here answering you come from broken homes.

Title	How true is the RedPill about female nature?
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Date	December 6, 2020 3:06 AM UTC (5 years ago)
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