Has anyone considered that women are just more physically attractive than men objectively, and that’s why there appears to be an imbalance in how many can get dates?

BioStu · 2021-02-13T07:09:39+00:00

Take away the makeup and clothing designed to hide flaws, and most women are shockingly average. Most look better with their clothes on than off.

failuretoethics · 2021-02-13T09:44:36+00:00

I disagree, and I think you might not be fully straight. There are more pretty women, yes, but the most beautiful of people to me are by far men, and only then women.

I don't think men are 'grossed' out by other men's bodies. That's more like a cultural thing because the dude is afraid of being seen as gay (I have had men tell me they can't tell if a man is even attractive or not, I call bullshit on that one). Also, the more unattractive parts of woman are hidden and those of men are not (You can't see how a woman's vulva looks like if she's just standing there, but you can 'see' a guys penis). Also, most women are hairless, and even hairy men often don't shave. So a male hairy back might be universally unattractive, even if it could be more attractive if the hair was shaved off.

Another point: women look good even at a higher body fat, men simply don't. And most Americans at least are obese.

alittledanger · 2021-02-13T08:22:51+00:00

I think in America......yes. But only slightly. As American who lived in Spain for a few years and now lives in South Korea, I think Americans in general no matter the gender are not as attractive as people in the rest of the world. They don’t know how to dress and as much as the obesity crisis gets talked about, it doesn’t get talked about enough. It’s actually pretty startling whenever I go home and see how big people are.

However , yes I would agree that women do tend to take care of themselves a little better in the US. But only a little.

CraptainToad · 2021-02-13T10:49:30+00:00

I'm straight, but when a man spends as much time on their appearance as a woman than I find the man on average to be more aesthetically pleasing

Zonkey_Zeedonk · 2021-02-13T08:01:54+00:00

When I look at other women though, so many of them are beautiful...female bodies/features are just objectively nice to look at even if it doesn’t “get you going” sexually. If I went out in a city on any given day and counted, my guess is women I’d see as at least somewhat pretty is probably close to 80%, whereas men would probably be 10% at best.

This is because of a difference in fashion and style, not an innate sex difference. Women's style is meant to be very attention grabbing and show a lot of skin. It emphasizes fertility. Male style is more tricky, cause men can't really walk in a night club in speedos or with their shirt off. Male features like eyes and jaw line also aren't as noticeable from a distance.

MasterTeacher123 · 2021-02-13T07:05:57+00:00

When I go outside I see a comparable number of overweight women to overweight men so I disagree. Being fat is gross lol. I don’t care how much make up you put on if you’re 5”2 and 210 pounds lol.

Women are better at taking pictures, that’s it.

dryasspword · 2021-02-13T07:13:38+00:00

Irony is if you go to the opposite of redpill (fds) they say the same thing with the genders reversed. That mediocre men constantly get women out of their leagues while overweight or mediocre women get left out in the cold.

You’re literally asking if it’s possible that your current subjective take on the attractiveness of an entire gender can be taken as objective fact. No it can’t. You think women’s bodies are more aesthetically pleasing and that’s great but you can’t generalize for everyone there’s literally a Seinfeld episode about this ✋🙄

Dodechaedron · 2021-02-13T08:41:24+00:00

It's like drinking; an alcoholic would drink anything, even aftershave, a non addicted person can be choosy. It's all a chemical rush caused by higher levels of testosterone that makes us men crave sex desperately. The same hormone makes us aggressive. Why is that? Because nature wants men to compete for reproduction. All the rest is a byproduct ...

cuckspace · 2021-02-13T10:52:59+00:00

Nothing objective about what you said. Just your subjective preference for women’s bodies.

Zonkey_Zeedonk · 2021-02-13T07:15:08+00:00

Women have it easier being attractive because they pound make up on and guys don’t.

Go watch some of these reality TV shows, shit blows my mind when the makeup comes off, their skin complexion is awful, blotchy, bags under their eyes.

Make up does to women what beards do for men, it hides your face.

sorebum405 · 2021-02-13T08:30:50+00:00

Your sort of correct,heterosexually speaking women are the more desirable sex by a longshot.However,it's not because women are objectively more physically attractive.Instead I think the large discrepancy in opposite sex desire between men and women is caused by the differences in male and female sexuality.

Basically women have much higher parental investment so being more picky and pragmatic about their sexual and long-term partners would be more benefical to them.On the other hand,men can afford to be less picky about who they have sex with,and are more likely to fall in love idealistically because they select for mates based on physical appearance alone.

NockerJoe · 2021-02-13T07:37:54+00:00

It sounds less like women are more attractive and more like you're as in denial about your own sexuality as like half the people on this sub.

Mimoxs · 2021-02-13T07:59:37+00:00

Outside of circles like this one, that is generally what is accepted. In the real world most people acknowledge this.

Women are more attractive in appearance both to men AND women. When the vast majority of women and men agree it's hard to not grasp it.

flapperfemmefatale · 2021-02-13T07:51:26+00:00

Am pansexual, can can confirm that in my daily life, the average woman is way hotter than the average man.

ANRthrowawayABF · 2021-02-13T07:53:04+00:00

Yep I agree, everything you've said is blackpill theory though so this may fall under 'inc€l content'.

SadAndMadGal · 2021-02-13T08:11:14+00:00

I agree with you that I think women are way "prettier" than men but I might be gay so idk if I count in this discussion

PlayfulLawyer · 2021-02-13T08:28:38+00:00

I mean women are objectively more attractive than men in my opinion lol, but the advantage that women have is just how us men are generally wired, it is what it is

sirpsychosexy8 · 2021-02-13T15:23:26+00:00

This a painfully subjective take. You happen to find the female form more appealing and you are extrapolating that way beyond reasonable bounds. It's as if you were an artist who prefers to paint females. I'm a straight man, and I see many handsome people of both sexes around me. As others have said, give 'em a shower and strip them down to their birthday suit and then be the judge. It's about equal. Women are so highly adorned and accentuated by fashion, and MAKEUP and hairstyling it's impossible to makes these assessments as if they are genetic and immutable like you're suggesting. Furthermore, the female body can nearly reach its ideal form under low stress, meaning a simple diet and light exercise. The male body needs intense stress applied and extreme dieting to reach the aesthetic potential, atleast 3x the workload. Being frail or skinny fat completely throws masculinity out the window, while it only has a minor negative affect on femininity. The fact of the matter is the sexes are measured by different yardsticks, but both conform to the bell curve

no_value_male · 2021-02-13T11:13:53+00:00

Your point is correct in my opinion. I mean, have you seen the average male body? Its a undefined pudgy blob of flesh without any attractive value whatsoever. And I dont even mean the body of the western average male of the 21th century which has the added penalty of massive blubber, just the average male body in general.

In order to obtain an actually attractive male body, you'll need exceptional genetics + years in the gym, which most do not achieve.

mensahi41 · 2021-02-13T11:14:22+00:00

The thing is you are correct about women being more attractive on average but that's clearly not the reason why men get less dates. That would imply that women like men only/mainly date for looks which ain't really true.

wtknight · 2021-02-13T14:00:30+00:00

First, I think that a big problem with men is that many don't live the lifestyle anymore that give them the bodies that would make them more attractive to women. Back when men were hunters and warriors and even farmers, men looked a lot more rugged than the soft, cushy man of the 21st century developed world. It only makes sense that the brains of most women are less attracted to men at a biological level looks-wise, although this is not all there is to attraction.

Second, women are probably only biologically programmed to ever be attracted to about 20% of men at most, anyway - probably even less. 20% is probably the percentage of men that a given woman could even tolerate having sex with. The ones that they're actually highly attracted to is probably much less.

I don't think that this means that men are fundamentally less attractive. It just means that women's brains aren't programmed to find these men attractive. Ask homosexual men what percentage of men they find attractive enough to have sex with, and the percentage is likely to be much higher.

Of course, this doesn't mean that women find all the same 20% of men attractive. Women's tastes vary quite a bit, and a woman's taste in men will change as she gets older, as well. As women age, the age of the men whom they find attractive also increases, and the traits that they consider desirable may change somewhat too.

Third, I don't think that this is being looked at objectively and impartially, and the idea that women are more attractive than men is influenced by cultural practices and cultural messages. Makeup is marketed to women heavily, which can make very average or even unattractive women look good. There is also a general media message that "women are beautiful" that I think gets incorporated into people's minds at a young age. I don't think that the same kind of message about men is spread by culture so much.

Most importantly, men's sex drive biases them into thinking more women are attractive than actually are. If you ask a man with a low sex drive such as myself how many women are attractive without their makeup on, the percentage is going to be much lower than a man who is consistently horny and looking for a multitude of women to potentially have casual sex with. This ties into the first point I'm making. Women are just not as consistently aroused as men, so it takes more of a stimulus to arouse them - specifically, a man who has precisely the attractive qualities that appeal to her, rather than "just any man."

If we could perform some kind of twisted experiment where women were made as horny as men and men were made less horny like women, we'd all of a sudden start believing that men are more attractive than women.

Bandit174 · 2021-02-13T15:29:50+00:00

It seems to be true that men are more attracted to women than women are to men and that women find the average woman more appealing than the average man. However that isn't necessarily objective. It is subjective human bias.

For example I don't think women have higher levels of facial symmetry or that their bodies are objectively more symetric/well proportioned than men's are. Also as the other users mentioned women do get a massive benefit from makeup.

The first thing that comes to mind that might be an innate benefit for women is they don't have receeding hairlines. That really does fuck us over. However women's beauty is based on fatty features like breasts and butt which sag more with age. Then there is also cellulite which doesn't seem to affect your dating options as much as receeding hairlines do for men but its still less visually appealing than not having cellulite. I think it's also true that adult acne is more common in women than in men.

So it really could go either way. I don't think it's this clear cut win for either sex.

SaBahRub · 2021-02-13T15:32:25+00:00

Attractiveness is all subjective and relative

GridReXX · 2021-02-13T15:39:05+00:00

Can’t say I agree that women are default better looking. It’s even imo, or at the very least subjectively in the eye of the beholder.

Good looking men are good looking with zero makeup, etc. Just face and body giving beauty.

Men are hornier, and thus desire sexual contact more. The “perceived difference” is mostly that.

Yes, sure. Some straight men absolutely suck at presenting aesthetically. But even still, if men didn’t have testosterone raging through them, many women would be hit with cold front of reality.

Hoopy223 · 2021-02-13T17:49:44+00:00

I think its more along the lines of Men being hungrier on average.

2021-02-13T18:57:48+00:00

A lot more men could be more physically attractive if they put the amount of money and effort that women put into their appearances. Minimal working out, eating decent food and wearing clothes that fit goes a long way, and that's literally what most women do as basic maintenance.

It seems like men always tend to go for high investment, high risk, high reward type of activities and eschew the low risk, low effort, incremental activities. So that's why you'll see a minority of men who are totally ripped and eating clean and then the rest don't even bother.

That mean's that, on average, most average looking women are more attractive than average looking men because they're better at the type of work that it takes to maintain an acceptable attractive appearance. They are objectively putting in more effort and it pays off.

Edit: considering that men tend to suffer from ADHD at higher rates than women, that type of high risk/reward vs. low risk/incremental reward behavior might point to some sex based differences in executive function between men and women.

Zonkey_Zeedonk · 2021-02-13T19:27:31+00:00

Yes. Men are inherently stronger. We don’t think women can be inherently more beautiful? Look at any couple ever.

SockInCloset · 2021-02-13T22:42:18+00:00

I agree with this, I’ve never seen a study that said men are more attractive than women, only the opposite. And, attractive people are actually more likely to have daughters. Don’t listen to these people who tell you that attractiveness is subjective because it is not, otherwise the term “objectively attractive” wouldn’t exist.

McPhersonstrut · 2021-02-15T06:21:44+00:00

Honestly think that's coming from a heteronormative worldview . As a bi person , i honestly find male bodies much more aesthetically pleasing . But i would say women on the whole would be considered more presentable , think that's cause there's this societal pressure on them to look that way .

mangolover97 · 2021-02-13T08:26:47+00:00

I always say this. Especially considering how much more women invest in beauty and trying to improve their looks in some way. Even if initially we start off with the same number of men and women in each tier of attractiveness, we don’t end that way because of plastic surgery, makeup, diet culture etc.

Spacechichen_1990 · 2021-02-13T07:18:59+00:00

Yes. On the street I will see multiple beautiful women daily, I probably see a man who turns my head 1-2 a month if that. Men in general aren’t as eyecatching, male bodies don’t draw the eye as much & masculine beauty is much rarer

deathbecomesme123456 · 2021-02-13T13:59:10+00:00

People in here who talk about overweight or obesity not being beautiful don’t really understand what beauty is. You can tell when someone (man or woman) is good looking but overweight. It’s not a permanent characteristic and you’re not born with it so it shouldn’t really be considered as an “ugly” feature in the same way narrow shoulders or something would be because that’s permanent. Watching a lot of My 600-Lb. Life, you see a lot of men and women who have high cheekbones, small noses, and beautiful eyes but who are grossly overweight. When they start losing the weight, their naturally pleasing features shine.

SnowHatesWome · 2021-02-13T07:15:05+00:00

Lmao bro some of y’all be looking hurt. The reason why y’all got so many options is cause men just ask y’all to be fit and have no facial deformities. Men just have lower standards. The average woman is average (below average in the west cause you westerners tend to be fat)

heliotach712 · 2021-02-13T10:04:32+00:00

The 'curves' and 'breasts' you adore are literally just sagging fat deposits. They're attractive to men b/c they evolved over millions of years to signal fertility. Yet there's nothing 'objectively' beautiful about them. Take away all the sexualisation and social aesthetics of femininity, women are basically bottom-heavy and fatty. Literally all of their 'beauty' is nothing but fertility-signalling. There's a reason classical sculptors looked to the male form 9 times out of 10 - it's lean, defined, and athletic, seems to defy gravity instead of just sagging everywhere and hints at going beyond nature instead of simply...being nature.

It is only the man whose intellect is clouded by his sexual impulses that could give the name of the fair sex to that undersized, narrow-shouldered, broad-hipped, and short-legged race: for the whole beauty of sex is bound up with this impulse. Instead of calling them beautiful, there would be more warrant for describing women as the unaesthetic sex. Neither for music, nor for poetry, nor for fine art, have they really and truly any sense or susceptibility; it is a mere mockery if they make a pretence of it in order to assist their endeavour to please - Arthur Schopenhauer

Are you a man or a woman? If you're a woman and, as your avi suggests, black, you do realise you're exempt to a large degree from the social beautification of women?

NotGoingoutofMW · 2021-02-13T14:05:12+00:00

Remove all make up clothes and compare the people completely naked. Then you will see that the difference, if there is any, is so abysmal objectively.

The actual difference is for the most part a percieved difference. For one men are thirstier and and more visual making them more lenient with women's appearance where they overlook bad features and focusing on the good ones only.

The reason why women find women more attractive than men is mostly due feminist and "women are wonderful effect" regardless of her appearance. Kids absorbing these messages from the moment they were born.

Additionally a recent thread about looksmaxing showed that most women only tolerate basic beauty routines for men basically wiping out this route for men to reach a higher domain there.

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kor8der · 2021-02-13T12:14:13+00:00

I'm curious what standard you would judge physical attractiveness by, in order to make a comparable scale.

Thehebben · 2021-02-13T14:13:07+00:00

I’m a straight woman. I’ve had a handful of gay experiences/experimented but I consider myself straight because ultimately I’m attracted to men and not women sexually.

You arent straight you are bisexual and it looks you more into men so destroying your idea

Lets say you are right about women are more physcally attractive .

But in heterosexuell groups women dont compete with men to get men they compete with women

In heterosexuella groups men dont compete with other women they compete with other women

So even if all women 8 9 or 10 and men are 4 5 and 6 a 8/10 women dating a 6 the women would be one dating up because she is only competing with women

athrowaway283222 · 2021-02-13T14:39:28+00:00

Honestly, this is highly controversial as we can see, but an opinion that I have seen expressed quite often on TikTok-- kind of accepted amongst women and a good number of men (though it's understandable many men would disagree b/c the healthy male specimen is gorgeous as well... also makes sense that men would get offended at this opinion or view it as egotistical).

So, with the number of times it has crossed my mind, I did just end up accepting this as my overall opinion. The female body is more aesthetic to me, I appreciate it more, women who don't fit any extreme (scarily thin or fat; both of that also doesn't look good on men) usually come off as beautiful to me. I also think more people are attracted to women than men. This is my perspective as a bicurious (?) woman (I want to end up with a man/have more sexual attraction towards men, whereas a more reverent attraction towards beautiful women).

My point is if you took the most beautiful woman in the world and the most beautiful man in the world and compared them

I think they'd be similarly attractive, but yes, the woman would be more beautiful overall.

If you did the same with the ugliest man/woman....the ugliest man would be significantly uglier.

This I agree with.

When I look at other women though, so many of them are beautiful...female bodies/features are just objectively nice to look at even if it doesn’t “get you going” sexually.

The female body is artistic and nicer to draw and comes in a lot more variety, yet can still be beautiful despite this variety... which is probably also why men's tastes are so various as a whole.

Really shaking the boat here haha.

biggestuzifanea · 2021-02-13T16:13:55+00:00

I dont know if i agree, notice how popular "trans" and "traps" are getting with belle delphine-esque make up and clothing. A lot of people seem to ignore how frumpy and unflattering a lot of women can be

HelloThere00F · 2021-02-13T16:22:57+00:00

I’d say with makeup yea they are, but without it no it’s pretty balanced.

801735 · 2021-02-13T16:24:55+00:00

"Ladies"... (pfff hh hh h hh h hh) But if you can so easily find sex, dates, commitment to the divorce following shortly after having consumed the ridiculously expensive likesharvestable instagrampic yielding relationship highlight party with a cake, how come you're still, instead of being safely time-frozen in the perpetual bliss inducing fantasy dimension of permaextasyness, online femdomdemanding, bitching and moaning about there being a drought of that which you clearly absolutely deserve for just existing as a concept, the barely good enough "ultra high value rich prince socialite gazillionaire gym-lifting 6 12 pack packing Nobel prize awarded ubermensch 5 star chef cleaning~~lady~~boydy with puppy eyes personal jester circus monkey" self-castrated guys adamantly set on flowing through the manmincing machine to please your every whim and unexpressed secret tingle inducing material and ever rising ultrafeelgoodism guaranteeing excitement and loving feels?

Where did the world fail you? How come you're not happy? We've already established it's possible all you do is only take,... so what gives?

K0KSAL · 2021-02-13T16:38:20+00:00

You are coping,

Wipe off that makeup, and cut their hair shor and most women look like their male incel couterparts.

LillthOfBabylon · 2021-02-13T16:54:04+00:00

It's that, but it's also evolution, and sex drive.
Men are way more impressed by a hot girl's mere existence than women are impressed by a hot guy's mere existence. For the longest time in human history a woman's only job was to look pretty, submit, and have babies. Men had to always do more than that and money (or brute stregnth/invasion) typically determined if he got the best quality women.

Prize-Thought-4205 · 2021-02-13T17:28:31+00:00

Disagree women have fake beauty and deceit, men have more natural beauty and handsomeness.

cloudsongs_ · 2021-02-13T18:28:32+00:00

I think most men I see passing by are decently attractive if I really looked, even the ones that are considered "average." I do agree that whether it be something evolutionary or because of media conditioning, women are usually always more attractive.

abetea11 · 2021-02-13T21:31:44+00:00

Well yeah. Its a pretty obvious fact women are more attractive than men. Even other women would get soaking wet for a pretty blonde girl.

throw-away-1709 · 2021-02-13T21:33:11+00:00

"Female beauty"? Look arround. Look at top female athletes and too male athletes.

Very very very few women are good looking and even less are a beauty.

Most even have to color their hair and nails and use make up just to compete in the day.

Natural beauty is very rare.

Kaisha001 · 2021-02-13T22:04:52+00:00

TBH I think the jury is still out on what is causing the imbalance, there are many possible factors/explanations and I haven't seen any conclusive data on this.

- It could be that fashion/makeup/clothing etc... are tailored to make women look beautiful, while for men anything that accentuates features is usually mocked/derided. If we slathered men in concealer, guyliner, and contoured their faces they can look very model-esque.

- It could be that hormonal contraceptives have altered normal female attraction (see MHC profile).

- It could be evolution, in that women needed to be more friendly/cooperative while men are more competitive. This might extend right down to innate attraction (sexual or otherwise).

- It could be that modern civilization just doesn't agree with men the way it does with women. A jeep doesn't look sexy on the red carpet, but a Bently looks right ridiculous off-roading.

- It could be the measurable drop in testosterone that modern men have (compared to their fathers/grandfathers). Many male traits deemed attractive are proxy measurements for T.

My point is if you took the most beautiful woman in the world and the most beautiful man in the world and compared them...the most beautiful woman would be far more beautiful.

Definitely not. The top tier men make women swoon. Think Brad Pitt in Legends of the Fall, or Marlon Brando in a Street Car named Desire. Or compare say (something more recent) Tom Ellis to Lauren German (costars on the show Lucifer). Both are top tier, but he certainly outshines her.

The fact that top tier men seem to be on par with top tier women, seems to imply that it's more about women being picky about male mate choice, than an otherwise innate difference in physical attractiveness.

geyejoe7 · 2021-02-13T22:18:45+00:00

Most women take care of their appearance (on average) than men.

I almost never hear men using skincare products. Hair products that are anything further from a shampoo for washing and a gel to make it stick. No makeup.

Men usually try and get fit. Other than that, little to no effort.

Most men (going based on what I see out there) either dress to try and point out their status (branded clothing) or don't care at all. Some, like me, just dress to look good. But in all honesty, it's one in every 30 dudes I see.

Whereas women got tons of clothing and styles.

Women try more. But you can't claim one gender looks better.

Because men value femininity and women value masculinity.

Being hairy ain't attractive on women, but it is on men. For example.

cast-away-ramadi06 · 2021-02-13T23:59:07+00:00

Sounds like you're not fully straight to me so there won't be much I can do to convince you but I'll try anyway.

If you take the average athletic 25yo male, I would say he probably looks comparable to your average athletic/slim 25yo woman. For every potential negative a man has (balding, hairy, too short, under developed facial hair, etc.) a woman has something equivalent (sagging breasts, stretch marks, under-developed buttocks, too tall, etc.). One of the big differences is that you're not going to see as many of those on a clothed woman whereas you'll probably get indicators of more of these negative characteristics from clothed men.

Also, the rise of modern society and socialistic policies has continued to degrade some of the most important sexual characteristics of men, resources and socially acceptable violence. What form that violence takes (tribal warfare, warfare, medieval tournaments, local sports, etc.) depends very much on the culture - but they are all form of acceptable violence.

PMmeareasontolive · 2021-02-14T02:56:05+00:00

Has anyone considered

Yup. Comes up about every other week or so, and many agree with your premise. I disagree. I think the easiest way to demonstrate this is to look at your school yearbook , or anyone's school yearbook. That is what people look like out in the wild. Attractiveness is pretty evenly distributed amongst regular folks (non celebrities).

Workaholiconew · 2021-02-14T05:18:01+00:00

Did it come to you that there is no such a thing as "objectively valuable" anywhere?

Diamonds (and almost all gems which do not require heavy elements) are easy to find, easy to make, easy to manufacture, and are extremely expensive... Likewise, helium is extremely difficult to find, is limited and rare... and yet dirty cheap.

Your value is entirely determined by the market. Your opinion is irrelevant, at best you can try to inform the market, but it is in their power, not you, the true value of your product.

Your definition of value to women, my friend, has as much power as an incel's has to women, i.e. infinitesimal.

121demon · 2021-02-14T06:11:25+00:00

All subject women are half naked walking around with a shit load of make up with clothes that hides there shortcomings. Guys dgaf and will where anything

UnfathomableWonders · 2021-02-14T10:58:49+00:00

No. The majority of women are actually straight.

RandomKeyForgePlayer · 2021-02-14T23:00:29+00:00

Yeah it's true that women on average are more aestethically pleasing.

Being aestethically pleasing doesn't always imply having an equal sexual dimorphism.

Women are more aestethically pleasing on average because they're more neothenic: their faces are less shaped by testosterone and they're more similar to children faces.

In fact it's not rare that for men the stage in which they reached they highest peak in terms of attractiveness is childhood.

To those who are reading and may misinterpret my comment be aware that i'm not saying that children are sexy or attractive(i'm not a pedohile),just that they're more aestethically pleasing because their faces are just cuter.

The main difference between men and women is that during puberty women's faces are not stripped of their cuteness while they develope their sexual dymorphic traits,while males faces are stripped of their cuteness during puberty to gain more sexual dymorphic traits, but the results aren't usually great because the hormonal equilibrium needed to create an aestethically pleasing and sexually dimorphic man is more complex.

To explain me better: Jason Statham is attractive despite being not so phisically pleasing because of its strong sexual dymorphic traits.

Chris Hemsworth is instead both aestethically pleasing and masculine (despite being less masculine than Statham) and it's an axample of a good balance between aestethically pleasingness and sexual dimorphism.

Also women bodies are low-maintenaince,while a man to reach a good shape with muscles has to put in a lot of work.

upalse · 2021-02-15T12:51:07+00:00

Because there's no objective measure. Women are exactly as attractive as (straight) men judge em to be and vice versa. For instance, gay men may consider women aesthetically pleasing, but definitely not physically attractive.

Whisper · 2021-02-19T10:47:24+00:00

TRP talks about this “unfair” imbalance around how even “average” looking women can have sex whenever they want, including with men who are considered above average in looks, but that “average” looking men can’t even find success with average or below average women.

"Hi, I'm a girl who has never actually read TRP, but I've heard a lot about it!"

This gets blamed on so called “hypergamy”

"I also don't know the definition of hypergamy."

the objective beauty

"And I don't know what the word "objective" means."

cloudydays84 · 2021-02-13T11:31:35+00:00

I'd say it's even. The average man and average woman look about the same in terms of attractiveness and general aesthetic if you strip them down to their bare bones. Most couples I see are about the same, the only difference is the girl puts in more effort to look good.

Zonkey_Zeedonk · 2021-02-13T08:26:36+00:00

Absolute nonsense. If people were objective and not blinded by thirsty horniness the average woman wold be a bit bellow the average man. The average woman is overweight but shorter than men so it looks worse. The average woman doesn't get to much mileage out of makeup as they like to think. In fact it makes many women less attractive. The average woman may have a child that really fucks up their attractiveness. The average woman has a pretty shitty personality and brings nothing to the table. It may come as a surprise to PPD folks but men and women are still the same fucking species so the average genetic stock is pretty much the same.There is nothing objective about male thirst or in this case lesbo in denial thirst.

Luna99NB · 2021-02-13T16:18:03+00:00

Saying this as a bisexual febfem women, I kinda find the male sex organs gross and it is also pretty much more complex to handle in terms of sexual pleasure. Rather, women are generally more neater and look after themselves. I would also say estrogen boost and the fact that men have a higher sex drive(as a part of their reproduction strategy) makes women more desirable. A lot of women would look crap if they were men (and I am not even talking about makeup). I know plenty of women whose face if transplanted on men would have been grossly rejected by other women. So....thinking that women are more physically attractive is pointless. Rather, women as a gender is always the sexually more pedestalised gender

RDelbson · 2021-02-13T13:00:49+00:00

I’m a straight woman. I’ve had a handful of gay experiences/experimented

You're not straight, and this quote is emblematic of why we laugh at and look down on women.

Has anyone considered that women are just more physically attractive than men objectively, and that’s why there appears to be an imbalance in how many can get dates?

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