BPers are just mocking bullies.

Midwitticism · 2019-09-06T13:28:07+00:00

Well ya, the BP sub literally exists to mock TRP. And TRP offers up so much worthy of mockery. TBP has a lot of unnecessary cruelty tho. More than TRP for sure.

NockerJoe · 2019-09-06T14:36:19+00:00

I'm gonna let you in on a secret. 90% of the people talking about this shit are fucking losers. TRP is a combination of losers trying to play catchup and losers roleplaying as winners. TBP are losers who shame other losers to pretend they aren't losers. Your average member of say, r/inceltears isn't exactly flush with trim and if you think TBP is about kicking people when they're down hoo boy does that rabbit hole go deep.

Just fucking look at your average female PPD poster. These bitches are here during all hours so they obviouslyy don't have an active life outside this sub but they love to play high amd mighty and shame dweeby dudes because its a cheap way to feel big. Your average male poster is obviously fucking crazy but a lot of their opposition is losers pretending they're slumming it so they can turn up their nose.

soggycephalopod · 2019-09-06T16:27:25+00:00

Nobody hates men who want better dating options. Everyone should be able to find the love that they desire. Unfortunately, that's not actually what's going on with the RP movement. Most of it has turned into a misogynistic hate group. To your point, that doesn't mean everyone seeking it out is hateful at all. For those of you who aren't, I'm sorry that this is all you have available to you. You deserve a relationship struggles support group that isn't a cess pool of hate... in other words, an actual support group.

I think by now it’s obvious to most people here that non-Chad men had never had a lot of success with women, whether it’s due to looks, anxiety, or what-not.

No, it's not obvious. Most people end up in relationships, and most of these people aren't Chads or Stacies. You might be right that a lot of people have poor success with relationships, but this is more down to communication than looks. There's an entire industry of relationship advice trying to teach people this, but interpersonal skills are hard to master, so even with all the information out there it takes time. Which leads to this...

So why is there a lot of hate to a source of information where people new to the dating scene can learn about the inside-outs

What you think of as a source of information is actually a lie. There's SO much real information out there. My guess is that you're just looking for the wrong type of information. Chad's get divorced all the time. Where do you think they fall short?

The piece that most people struggle with is understanding themselves, their coping mechanisms, their automatic bad behavior, their own ego, self love, etc. There's a lot of ways to approach this problem, but none of them are through dating. MGTOW is a good philosophy; the modern movement is just a mess. I don't mean hating on women and storming off in a fury of spite, but actually finding yourself. Counterintuitively, this is an important part of a happy relationship.

And while I admit the language is kinda misogynistic

It's extremely misogynistic, angry, and spiteful. Unless you promote the language, it's not your fault that it's such a mess, but it's not going to help you to dilute it. Women don't get ruined by sex. Women don't have a shelf life or a market value. Women aren't femoids or rosties; women are people struggling to figure out this profoundly complicated life just like everyone else.

all they want is a little piece of the dating pie, not the leftovers.

This is what I'm talking about. Maybe this is so automatic that you don't even realize what you're writing. Are you the leftovers? Do you want to be considered the rejected spoils that nobody wants, or do you want to be loved in your own right? If it's the latter, then why are you calling some women "the leftovers." Don't you imagine that she might want to be loved in her own right too? I'll repeat it again.... she's a person too.

To me, BPers look like those high school bullies, who pick the class nerd last and then make fun of him when he struggles, because obviously he has been investing his time to books.

I hope you're not actually being bullied, because if you are that's extremely wrong, but if you're in TRP, you're in a cult. You've being lied to and it's hurting you. It's masquerading as "support" and making it worse for you. It's horribly ironic that it's called "the red pill" as if it helps you awaken from the delusion; it IS the delusion.

Dating can be hard. Relationships can be hard. Finding happiness in life can be profoundly hard. Those are all true. Going your own way is important. Don't do it in hate, though.

I wonder if the people you're calling bullies are really angry at you or just wish you could find your way free.

[edit] fixed sentence that read really confusing

statusincorporated · 2019-09-06T16:46:11+00:00

Because most of the advice is B.S.

It's not going to work for STM. It will work IRONICALLY for more LTR-focused guys.

STM is all about looks + non-sperg level social acumen.

Lift

Improve style

Improve hygiene

These will take you far. White or black, tall or short, clean cut or punk rock.

Triadfamilyties · 2019-09-06T15:33:35+00:00

You know, when I read the title I thought that the intent was to say that Blue Pill are just here to mock red pill, who are bullies.

And I thought to myself, for some of us that might well be the only real purpose blue pill has, they come here to vent stress at online bullies and go home or something.

And then I read and I realized that you see Red Pill as the victims here. The nerds lol.

Alright so like I've been around for a long time. Back when /r/jailbait or whatever existed and before we ruined violentacrez's life, there was a ton of crossover in all the manosphere places. /r/seduction was full of genuine rape stories, /r/mensrights was a cesspit of men directly advocating for violence against women and legislated return to 50s gender roles, and when /r/redpill came into being it was like they took all the hate from other spaces and made a space that was just about that. There weren't serious discussions about real men's issues and what could actually be done about them, just anger about it. There weren't serious discussions about dating anymore, just men screaming angrily that they were gonna start treating women like shit to get laid.

Over time, these spaces have calmed down. PPD wasn't really possible a decade ago. There wasn't any discussion, just alot of reactionary anger.

And then over time, I think alot of the mellowing has honestly been that older men angry about failure became outnumbered by younger men who hadn't tried and failed enough to really hate the world about it. Men still looking for some way to succeed in life instead of just a philosophy that removed all blame from their shoulders and told them they were allowed to never change.

There's alot less anger now than there's ever been towards Red Pill because of that mellowing. I'm genuinely more concerned about incels. That entire sub amounts to like a neurotic break from reality. But that doesn't change the fact that Red Pill touts an irrational ideology that radicalizes people who believe in it in ways that make them worse off for relating to women and actually connecting to them than they were before.

I mean, when you're generalizing about how women don't love, it's not because you're a man who doesn't love, it's because you're a man who's trying to convince yourself that love doesn't exist and thus it's not your fault that you can't find it and you're right to give up on it and stop being emotionally vulnerable and getting hurt.

Factually some weak shit to bring to the playground yall.

As long as that kinda unhealthy irrationality exists people are gonna push back against it. Red Pill is a societal force that pops up everywhere. Saw some random red pill dude forget that video games are full of all kinds of people and go on a rant in StarCraft 2 general chat the other day and had like three guys with wives and kids shutting him down in a few minutes. Yall aren't the majority, but yall are loud as shit.

Eastuss · 2019-09-06T13:33:01+00:00

Blue pilled ideologies do not make the distinction between bad character and unlucky with women. In their worldview, tall strong masculine bullies who are successful with women and in life, and tiny frail unmasculine bully victims who have no success with women, are just one bad person that has no success with women because he's an asshole.

And even if sometimes they recognize that bullies and chads have it easy at first, it's ephemeral and they'll regret later, or whatever about karma catching them back.

And all of this is just deeply false.

nemma88 · 2019-09-06T14:01:10+00:00

“ Why does these BPers hate that men want more and better dating options?”

They don't hate that men want more and better dating options. BP is a reactionary sub, it's reacting to views about women (which it see's as bullying from it's own POV) and mocks them in the same way circlejerk subs exist.

I think by now it’s obvious to most people here that non-Chad men had never had a lot of success with women, whether it’s due to looks, anxiety, or what-not.

Most of the men I know have success with women. Most are in relationships or married, not all of them are Chads (Err tbh I don't think I know any Chads so there is that). So no, I think it's obvious to this sub there are men who need help, but I highly doubt many people are going to set the bar at Chad.

So why is there a lot of hate to a source of information where people new to the dating scene can learn about the inside-outs, which natural Chads and women have already acquired by their dating experience?

BP believe RP is a shitty source of information, the insides out are laughably bad, and I'm going to guess most don't even know what this natural Chad figure is as most will sit around the average rather than either side.

For example: Plate spinning. I think it’s fair to say that any man would feel comfortable in a relationship when he knows he has backups, just like women have with their endless orbiters.

Orbiters are not effective backups, they are called orbiters because the woman doesn't want them. Really important distinction. If Plate spinning includes the fact you don't want to have sex with them then it becomes a comparable situation. Even so, the idea my partner would have backups seems like a doomed to fail situation, I don't have them and I would not want a partner who does. I invest everything into my relationship and I expect the same level of respect. For many BP, this is their norm.

And while I admit the language is kinda misogynistic, it’s only to get the point across to us new guys who have been putting women on a pedestal all their life. Real life examples where a man goes full misogynist is not the goal of most guys who stumble upon TRP, all they want is a little piece of the dating pie, not the leftovers.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Many people who head to TRP need help in the social world, and tend to take things a bit too literally. Mostly seen (Ok last time I read TRP was over 2 years ago so this might be outdated) in things like field reports which often turn it up to 11, maybe many people are exaggerating... but then whats the point of doctored reports at all?

Basically BP beliefs are so far from TRP to them it's like meeting a flat earther. I recall some years ago an article from The rational male found it's way on to Facebook. People believed it was satire.

PennnyLame · 2019-09-06T14:41:54+00:00

You seem to understand that bullying requires someone with power picking on someone with less power (class nerd in your example). What power do BPers have over RPers?

sublimemongrel · 2019-09-06T16:24:18+00:00

TBP thinks TRP exists to primarily mock and hate on women.

xlime4 · 2019-09-06T21:21:15+00:00

It’s not that everyone hates the nerds. The whole premise surrounding red pills is wrong, to start with. Women don’t have endless orbiters. “Chads” are not real. Neither are “Stacies” and “Tyrones.” Those are just straw men. The reality is that people are far more complex than that. To a lot of blue pills, red pills are completely dehumanising everyone other than themselves. Therefore, they find it hard to be sympathetic.

It took a very long time for me to understand social things, especially because of my disability. Dating was even harder. I’d have people leave me for reasons that I didn’t understand. However, these things must be learned in order to have a happy, healthy relationship.

The fact that people almost never have a predictable way of operating (especially in regard to relationships), is one of the many things I’ve learned. They all have different reactions and ways of behaving that is dependent on their own experiences and personality, which are as unique as a snowflake. Sure, you may get people who act similarly, but they’re never the same. Therefore, you have to treat everyone as an individual. Straw men don’t work.

I’m sorry that there’s no easy answer. It’s tough to grow up not quite understanding social nuances like other people do. I know, I’ve been there, I’m still there and I will always be there. Message me if you have any further questions, because I want to help out as many people as I can.

flamingoinghome · 2019-09-06T14:08:26+00:00

> "And while I admit the language is kinda misogynistic ..... Real life examples where a man goes full misogynist is not the goal of most guys who stumble upon TRP, all they want is a little piece of the dating pie, not the leftovers."

And how the hell is someone just looking in supposed to know that? You could easily say the same about the man-hating rhetoric in certain corners of feminism, and heaven knows men don't simply shrug THAT off.

Moreover, I'm a Blue, and I've said many, many, MANY times that a lot of my issue with TRP, even beyond the misogynistic rhetoric, is that I think much of it is straight-up inaccurate and harmful. I don't like seeing lonely guys get taken for a ride any more than I like seeing people taken in by homeopathy or televangelists. This is not bullying; it's consumer protection.

eboy4hire · 2019-09-06T14:43:18+00:00

And while I admit the language is kinda misogynistic,

I wouldn't even backtrack with that. TRP language isn't that misogynistic.

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HellenicLady · 2019-09-06T15:14:12+00:00

I personally just dislike the fascist, hypocritical and pseudoscientific elements of TRP. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/cxx746/trp_and_the_pipeline_to_the_farright_an/

DXBrigade · 2019-09-06T18:11:33+00:00

So you admit that TRP is mysoginistic and yet, you Wonder why some ppl hate you ?

geyges · 2019-09-06T13:34:37+00:00

So why is there a lot of hate to a source of information

There's some contention to how good that information is. For instance is AWALT really a thing?

There's obviously girls that ride the cock carousel; there's girls that ride it, and don't even realize that they do.

There's girls that DON'T ride it. It's not entirely unusual to meet your SO in High School as a virgin in the "till death" type of scenario.

TRP is applicable, but is it universally applicable?

PrideInIndividuality · 2019-09-06T17:46:50+00:00

Ironically, Red Pillers are much more sexually successful than Blue Pillers. It's quite hilarious Blue Pillers mocking Red Pillers for being incels, when in fact, it's the Blue Pillers who are involuntary celebates.

Although misogyny and conservatism of TRP is unnecessary, there's no question that Red Pillers and seductionists (PUAs) are far more sexually successful than Blue Pillers who get into monogamous relationships. Hoo Hoo Hoo.

meeselbon573 · 2019-09-06T15:10:24+00:00

Well said.

openoids · 2019-09-06T16:09:54+00:00

Fairly accurate. It makes sense that someone who believes the idealized version of women that exist in the BP, will also presume that all those incel jerks started out that way and THAT is why they are now "undateable." It's the converse of sour grapes- might as well hate them since they have been siphoned off the bottom and are no use to anyone in society.

ZoroasterFlame · 2019-09-06T17:37:20+00:00

Yep. So spread this far and wide: https://theredarchive.xyz/

f0e_paw · 2019-09-06T17:54:38+00:00

BR, RP, I don't care if they try to bully me, it's the internet. 🤷🏽‍♂️

All I'm trying to do is let men know there's different ways of thinking about women and relationships.

Which is why I always try to link a Patrice O'Neal YouTube video with my responses. For me Patrice has the best view on women and how he approaches relationships.

One of Patrice's more insightful views in reference to relationships with women is, the it's never a women's fault, it your fault.

https://youtu.be/jFm-H3sC4QI

ariesv123 · 2019-09-06T19:37:40+00:00

Honestly form both sides it seems like a LOT of sulking. Usually people fall into the red pill when they don’t want to improve themselves anymore. Otherwise they go to r/TheGlowup or whatever. Yes, sometimes don’t get the chance due to looks but they can also get ahead with how they act. Yes it sounds like fucking bullshit, but it’s not. But it doesn’t work for everyone, unfortunately that’s life. Life is unfair.

For example Im black. Personally, I think i’m average but a little more on the attractive side. Not attractive for being black or attractive despite being black, just in the general realm of the world. There are A LOT of people that will find me unattractive simply because of my race or my skin tone. Oh well, I can’t sulk over everyone that thinks i’m ugly because I’m black or for any other reason, all I can do is work on myself.

When people work on themselves they need to keep in mind “If Henry Ford asked the people what they want, they’d ask for a faster horse”

Tealllane · 2019-09-08T16:24:59+00:00

I'm a no pilled man, and I have no problem admitting that I mock and insult TRP, Mgtow, and Incels.

I spin plates, but I'm not lying to these women. I'm honest, nice to them when we spend time together, and enjoy their company. I'm not out seeking to manipulate women or anything. I'm friends with them, maybe help them move, hangout, sometimes go on dates, and of course fuck. I get tested regularly, and always use condoms. So maybe I'm a natural, even though I'm no Abercrombie model and I'm not rich.

I'm not doing it because they're nerds and less successfully banging out women. I make fun of these shitbirds, because of their mysogistic and often racist rhetoric. So I view it as bullying the bullies. I don't subscribe to "two wrong don't make a right.", I am very for publicly shaming people who are shit birds.

Ant1matter8 · 2019-09-06T17:03:21+00:00

Most people on TRP are weak minded men but they are much better than the losers in BP.

cracksniffer666 · 2019-09-06T15:18:38+00:00

The blue pill is a cope, literally. That's all it ever was. The weak minded simps will never get past that, and TRP scares them and makes them crap their man diaper. It's the same way "inceltears" sub is full of virgin incels.

It's half sad, half funny.

Like, imagine thinking life is like some Disney movie, and crying into your keyboard making fun of realisitic men, hahahaha

Emervila · 2019-09-06T15:20:03+00:00

the language is kinda misogynistic

Biased as fuck!

Plate spinning: misogynistic

Beta bucks: not misandry

TRP language is not misogynistic bc it's not created to offend or damage any particular woman also not all women at all but to explain. Spinning plates comes from the circus analogy of a clown (men) balancing plates to indicate even if a man manages to get several women still being difficult.

BPers look like those high school bullies

Only Chad and Tyrone but all betas are the nice guys nobody cares about, they hate and attack TRP because simps feel the need to protect women in orden to get sex somehow. They want women to desire them bc they are good guys.

They are mocking simps not bullies, TRPillers won't feel threaten or bullied by a simp we can debate and crash them anytime.

Title	BPers are just mocking bullies.
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Date	September 6, 2019 1:22 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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