Does TRP truthfully believe that materially all women are incapable of keeping their urges in check, and ensuring they behave ethically in a committed relationship?

cuckspace · 2020-08-23T22:28:07+00:00

It's not the bottom 20% of women. Women are bombarded with "go grrl" propaganda and motivational messages in all avenues of education, popular media, social networks, women's magazines, news articles, movies, tv etc. Everywhere the message is the same:

Woman can do no wrong. Whatever mess you find yourself in, it's someone else's fault. Be a slut. It's empowering. Sell your nudes on the internet. It's empowering. Have an affair. It feels good and anyway it's his fault. Do whatever feels good. You can always shift the blame to someone else. It was a bad husband. It was society's impossible expectations. It was the Patriarchy. Never take responsibility for any of your actions. Be strong and independent when it benefits you. Be a weak victim when it benefits you. Deny everything and watch them squirm. Some simp or society at large will pick up the tab.

Edit: Needless to say, but I'll say it anyway for clarification. Women are social creatures who don't generally want to rebel against the dominant culture. This is the dominant culture. I believe women are perfectly capable of having moral integrity and take responsibility for their own actions, just as men are impelled to do if they want to stay in civilized society. They just don't do at present and have no incentive to do so as they are urged on to live as irresponsible woman-children. I like the idea of a strong and independent woman, if only it was true and not full of inconsistency and hypocrisy.

JohnDoe9564 · 2020-08-23T21:28:40+00:00

When we've been raised with the "Women are wonderful" effect what'd you expect to happen?

j3wbacca996 · 2020-08-23T22:27:33+00:00

What TRP says is just more true than not true, not gonna sit here and say every woman is like that, my fiancée certainly isn’t, but literally every other girl I ever dated or just hooked up with before I met my fiancée was like how TRP says women are. However that isn’t to say that when I found TRP it was TRP saying “this is how women are” and me learning about women from TRP, it was me reading TRP and going “holy fuck, this is exactly what I’ve experienced all throughout my life with women”.

If you’re really telling the truth, than you and your friends are probably exceptions, but exceptions don’t make the general rules null.

2020-08-23T21:17:37+00:00

Women (of all classes) shop around, men (of all classes) shop around, but women are better at it (better social skills, more plausible deniability since men are generally the pursuers, inherent ability to better keep back up mates around all else being equal because of the off chance of dickwetting).

But this comes as news to a lot of men. Women get "redpilled" as it were probably from the first time their middle school teacher starts looking down their shirt or some 60 year old follows them home from the bus. For guys, learning the ways of the world is something they have to actively seek out, in part for the reasons stated above regarding men being the pursuers, but especially since there are no real adulthood rituals or cultural inculcation of understanding in society (other than like don't make anyone uncomfortable ever bro, which is true, but it's like handing someone a package of beef and a stove and telling them "don't burn it" as a way to teach cooking)

Thus, trp is the crazy idea that women are people too (with their own accordant hungers). Society did once suppress that idea. Dissemination of the message and meaning of liberarion can't happen all at once for fuck's sake some folks in Appalachia still vote democrat because of the civil war.

Coming full circle the next phase of trp is probably "it's okay to have sexual urges dude go fuck some hookers already and stop moping no one will know 'past is past teehee'"

majani · 2020-08-23T22:09:05+00:00

AWALT is a synonym for "safe assumption"

GYN-k4H-Q3z-75B · 2020-08-23T22:31:40+00:00

The answer is probably 'no', but the answer is also irrelevant. AWALT in practice means 'the overwhelming of experienced majority' -- unicorns are not relevant the same way lottery winners are not relevant to poor people.

TRP likes to oversimplify things and put out one liners describing the world. Blue pill likes to differentiate and subdivide groups into oblivion so that all arguments break down and no real statement can be made.

lestratege · 2020-08-23T23:10:47+00:00

Well this view of the women being unable to control their own desires isn't new.

Contrary to the modern stereotype that views males as more susceptible to sexual desire than females, during the Middle Ages women were often seen as much more lustful than men. General opinion held that men were more rational, active creatures and closer to the spiritual realm, while women were carnal by nature and thus more materialistic.

https://www.brown.edu/Departments/Italian_Studies/dweb/society/sex/sexual-desire.php

PUNCH_DOG · 2020-08-23T21:16:51+00:00

As far as anecdotes go the negative ones outnumber the positive by far. Kind of why this sub was put together.

SocialSanityy · 2020-08-24T00:34:52+00:00

Dude I’m literally sleeping with a chick now in a committed relationship who would consider herself a good Christian woman , and a woman of “integrity “ . I’m convinced 98% of women are like this ; it just takes the right guy . I honestly do not believe woman can control their urges , it’s not in you. You are not logical creatures .

angels-fan · 2020-08-24T00:36:48+00:00

Men that fuck a lot of men's wives seem to have the inside scoop on how unfaithful women can be.

Get most women in the right setting, with the right guy, with little chance of being caught and see how fast their loyalty turns into "one thing led to another and it just happened".

SeemedGood · 2020-08-24T01:34:11+00:00

Truth screams loudly.

Red Pill philosophy is entirely reactionary. If women’s sexual choice behaviors were actually consistent with what you claim, TRP couldn’t exist because it would be obviously false.

It exists because it models women’s behaviors more accurately than your claims.

wtknight · 2020-08-23T21:57:56+00:00

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Workaholiconew · 2020-08-23T21:21:41+00:00

TRP believes that most women choose not to put their instincts in check. Not that they are unable to put them in check. Mostly because they don't recognize their instincts as instincts or perceive their own warped view of reality. And thus unable to control their own behavior.

wtknight · 2020-08-23T22:10:39+00:00

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trueorfalsedmitry · 2020-08-23T21:23:32+00:00

You've answered what you see as a cartoon with another cartoon. Of course, if you are surrounded by MC and UMC people, the laughably low bar of not "demonstrating poor behaviour when out with their boyfriend," and not branch swinging to "tatted coke dealers," is gonna be met by all the women you know.

who were raised clearly without any moral compass.

This is, of course, part of the point. It is true that some women have better morals than other women. Some women try to act ethically when dealing with men, some are less ethical. AWALT is not contradicted by that. The "like that" refers to how fundamentally universal their ids are, not how their superegos are varied. The base impulses they constrain in order to evince a "moral compass" are all the same. This is probably true of men as well. But, the reason AWALT is a TRP mantra is that the nature and depth of a woman's id when it comes to sex is fundamentally different from a man's.

Women's emotionalism is not really something a lot of people will argue with, blue or red. How much it impacts their reason is another thing, and there can be a lot of disagreement. But, women's ids are so strong that they warp their reason to justify ignoring their superego. They rationalize actions they know are immoral and unethical, and their reasoning is almost always supported by their community of peers. This is a Big Lie. AWALT is a small tool used to combat it.

Edit: typo

TheBookOfSeil · 2020-08-23T21:54:45+00:00

“AWALT” is more of a rule of thumb than a declaration.

They’re saying that most will, so men shouldn’t be surprised if someone they’re with says or does things that align with the majority. There will always be exceptions, and it’s in those cases where people should be surprised.

Texan2116 · 2020-08-23T22:25:01+00:00

I do like red pill, and there is at times some good meat in their discussions. I will say the same of the opposite extreme..Female dating strategy as well. Having said that...Both come off as butthurt incel/femcel types.

blendedbuns · 2020-08-23T21:46:38+00:00

No. Though, as the flair says, I'm a woman.

muddynips · 2020-08-23T22:35:20+00:00

Take this with a grain of salt, as I’m one of the “take what works and leave the rest” guys. But Of course not. We live in the real world just like you. Only Sith deal in absolutes.

The slightly more realistic take on it is something more like: “this assumption has predictive power, and should be used to understand behavior patterns.” I would never say that squirrels can’t waterski, because I’ve seen it. But it would be silly to expect your average squirrel to own skis.

So no, not all women are whimsical floating pixies with zero agency. On the other hand I’m not going to keep running headfirst into walls women swear aren’t there. Assuming hypergamy is a utilitarian approach to getting what you want out of dating. There’s no malevolence to it, it just exists as a tool. I don’t tell women about it, I don’t shame them or control them. I keep my mouth shut and I learn. The exact number, whether it’s 20%, 40%, 60%... who cares. I certainly don’t.

The guys who get wrapped up on posting stories on reddit are applying the ideas incorrectly. Instead of using this understanding to actualize their own desires, they ruminate on their little blame cycle.

intelectualycurious · 2020-08-24T01:11:00+00:00

like a lot of people have already notated, especially with the landscape of social media and dating today, the only way to keep a woman in check is through this purification through religious indoctrination. i’m not saying it’s good or should be enforced on women, but the only women who i’ve been able to trust have been the ones who believe in some sort of higher power. take God out of the equation, and there’s no grounds for people in general to have an objective moral compass that takes into consideration factors beyond oneself.

HelloDearWorld223 · 2020-08-23T21:17:58+00:00

It’s the truth though

12112019 · 2020-08-23T21:45:45+00:00

The sub doesn't really focus on women as your friends, the position is usually that you can't really tell apart women who are LTR oriented and women about to hit the wall acting like they were always LTR oriented, enough women can pull this off flawlessly and the men will never have an idea what their wives have done in their past.

We can look at factors such as OLD to understand who is the average woman is interested in depending on her age, you can then look at the number of divorces and the % of them initiated by women, so you come to very unfavorable conclusion regarding the trad way of life.

Sultmaker_9000 · 2020-08-23T21:27:00+00:00

I don't think anyone was claiming a normal boyfriend would be swapped for a tatted coke dealer, women who go for those type of men live in a different habitat, which is at a guess 10% of people; rough ghetto types. Let's say another 10% are religious types who it wouldn't apply to, and another 10% small town people who don't move about also.

High n women are usually liberal arts degrees type girls, travelling girls mostly, doesn't apply to career women either, so whatever that is, it's still high.

thetruthishere_ · 2020-08-23T23:00:42+00:00

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gstyle547 · 2020-08-23T21:34:27+00:00

It depends on what you define as poor behaviour

TheSnowyPlover · 2020-08-23T22:08:36+00:00

“Hyper gamy is not a straight jacket”

RedPillSuper · 2020-08-23T22:56:49+00:00

They have no need to tell anyone about it but it happens.

SilentLurker666 · 2020-08-23T23:21:11+00:00

Sanity talk here. Humans in general are not great at checking their urges. Also what's considered ethical for one gender is different then another, and can vary from couple to couple. (i.e. some couples considered flirting with others cheating, others might not.) All this comes in consideration that women are advantaged and privileged both in relationship and the divorce court.... and the fact that most people are self serving into taking these advantages means it's a safe bet for guys to take precaution to protect themselves or at least be educated into the the kinda risk they are getting into.

What OP should worry about is the dehumanization of... well, humans.

The subreddit is littered with “AWALT” posts, and endless stories of hypergamy etc... but in my entire circle of female friends, not any one has demonstrated poor behaviour when out without their bf, nor have any “branch swung” from their solid, stable, bf to a tatted coke dealer.

This is a classic example of anecdotal evidence. Among my two separate circle of friends, there were only two divorcees. However it doesn't change the fact that the divorce rate are quite high... I'm also interested to know how you would know if your friends have or have no desire to branch swing consider you are not in their bedroom nor can you read their minds, or how one even quantify as "solid, stable bf" ... and ofcourse the minor problem of the whole argument in the first place because the redpill describe these scenario as not branch swinging to tatted coke dealer, but rather just cheat on the beta provider without their beta knowing. The scenario which applies more (and a male's worse nightmare) is the wife leaving them when they lost their ability to provide via job losses, health issues, or when a better provider shows up.

These stories all seem to involve the worst of the bottom 20% of women, who were raised clearly without any moral compass.

I think you should at least assert that statement of at least how you come up with that 20%... from male's perspective... just because women doesn't branch swing doesn't mean she's great.. but could also be that she doesn't have the ability to branch swing, or even get into a stable relationship to begin with.

Napoleon-Bonrpart · 2020-08-24T00:05:43+00:00

It only takes one bad experience to ruin a mans mentality and fill him with insecurity. It’s happened to me, but I also have had enough dating experiences, and work in a predominately female environment, most women are respectable. There’s women out there like that, but it’s not the norm.

thetruthishere_ · 2020-08-24T00:28:46+00:00

In general men or women that are emotional balls have attachment issues/traumas.

I think anyone of can let our emotions get to us sometimes no matter how in check we are. Sometimes to are 'pushed to the brink', we are human.

Sure, women tend to be more emotional.

I don't see or experience much, if at all to a lot of the stuff they post. Not to say it doesn't happen, to me its more rare though.

Ive personally never 'chased' money, I 'chased' connection, compatibility and stability. He could make $40 or $80. Stability is not about how much you make, its about are you stable in general life an adult paying your bills, etc no matter what you make.

Not like a person making bank cant be broke as a joke...

Suck-Less · 2020-08-24T01:42:53+00:00

It’s more like, women are highly encouraged to bypass damn good for looks better. All women (US) are encouraged to behave that way. They are encouraged to be highly materialistic, and to chase perfect. Told that they don’t have to lower her standards (normal people call this compromise).

Biologically everyone is tempted in a relationship. Men are often held back because of monetary loss, women are encouraged for monetary or sexual gain.

So, add in maybe he loses a job, makes less money. Maybe he gets fat, stops workout out. Add in social media where she is comparing her life to someone’s representation of “perfect.”

Are women biologically incapable of keeping their urges to themselves. No. People are not a slave to their “ID.” Are they are however, highly encouraged to say “fuck it.” So in practical application the answer is yes.

Women are incapable. Unicorns are something else.

DangZagnut · 2020-08-23T21:49:09+00:00

The dehumanization of women is appalling.

No one denies women are of the species homo sapiean, but no one said they were good humans.

You want "women" to be supreme to humans. Angels. To be worshipped up on a pedestal.

If you are more than happy to grow how horrible men are, and women are equal to men, then yes, women can be shown to be pieces of shit. Your denial of that possibility shows where you stand.

but in my entire circle of female friends, not any one has demonstrated poor behaviour when out without their bf,

Your friends act differently in front of you than behind the scenes.

Do you always know when your friend's husbands are beating them? Demanding anal?

Do you always know when your friend has an opioid or alcohol addiction?

nor have any “branch swung” from their solid, stable, bf to a tatted coke dealer.

Well congrats on being upper class and not hanging out with crack dealers, except, of course, that little time in college during your crazy years. You sound like a classist, which means you're a leftist, so you're in that mental state.

These stories all seem to involve the worst of the bottom 20% of women, who were raised clearly without any moral compass.

Have you talked to any feminists? They hate all men. Perhaps you're one of them and not aware of your supremacist feelings about women?

Meritamen9 · 2020-08-23T21:33:02+00:00

TRP sees women as out of control balls of raw emotion, which is quite a far cry from the actual truth.

People are guided by emotions and subconscious desires most of the time. Emotions and instincts are like cheat codes that help the species survive, people who aren't guided by them are usually diagnosed with an array of personality disorders.

extrachromozomes · 2020-08-23T22:13:11+00:00

They get hurt by one women and blame them all

jlpw · 2020-08-23T21:48:01+00:00

Ive been thinking along these lines whilst reading things on this sub but could never quite find the wording, good effort bud

reluctantly_red · 2020-08-23T21:56:31+00:00

Most women are always on the prowl for an upgrade. And it's not just poor working class women. Middle class women who have a decent husband don't branch swing as often because they're less likely to find a better deal.

CodeTamarin · 2020-08-23T23:33:49+00:00

RP is about alienation. There’s no facts, no principles, nothing.

They’re exactly like Incels, they just haven’t radicalized enough, yet.

They’re alienated men, who see a changing world and simply cannot parse it. So they scapegoat women because that’s easier.

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rubbooyuri · 2020-08-23T21:32:14+00:00

No, they just want a 100% guarantee, as ridiculous as that sounds

2020-08-23T22:09:38+00:00

Huh? Where the fuck in the TRP bible does it say a characteristic of an AWALT is that they all cheat?

not any one has demonstrated poor behaviour when out without their bf, nor have any “branch swung” from their solid, stable, bf to a tatted coke dealer.

We say essentially the exact opposite of that. That a girl is always aiming higher than herself. In some social circles the tatted coke dealer is the highest status, in others a guy with a white collar job is the highest status. That however only goes for committed relationships. If she's been into tattooed drug dealers her whole life, you wouldn't know who she's cheating on her SO with.

These stories all seem to involve the worst of the bottom 20% of women, who were raised clearly without any moral compass.

Which stories? If she's been dating tattooed drug dealers her whole life, no she doesn't mature at age 30. She's going through a stage where she convinced herself she has a stable fetish, when in reality she's a train wreck with 3 kids,and while I wish r/whereareallthegoodmen was true, she'll in all likely hood find some simp who feels special for being picked, then dump his ass later, and get an alimony check for HIS troubles.

upalse · 2020-08-23T23:02:21+00:00

You're black&whiting a generalized statement. AWALT is about as accurate as "all men are violent" is AMALT. The point here is that while there's a widespread, general tendency, most men don't actually take it to the extreme - ie most men don't go on murder and raping sprees. Yet it's also clear to see that most men are indeed quite violent in general sense compared to most women.

z2a1-9 · 2020-08-23T23:11:48+00:00

It's just a matter of time AWALT

Title	Does TRP truthfully believe that materially all women are incapable of keeping their urges in check, and ensuring they behave ethically in a committed relationship?
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