I was watching a group of streamers debate on YouTube
MrGirl - a liberal streamer who mostly debated on social topics from a liberal mindset but can actually logically defend and fight for his position. (Aprox 38 male, looks 30)
Sneako - an trp streamer who is witty and about as good looking as Mr Girl. His worldveiw is redpill centric but gets away with problematic utterances by being generally charismatic and funny. ( Young 20s)
MrGirl was like a more sophisticated version of my high-school self. Very introspective, deadpan affect, stoic, and with a strong code of values whereby he gaurds his virtue. He elucidated in he video that he would not violate his value system even if by doing so the world would benefit, as doing so would make him far more susceptible to corruption and far more likely to to be a threat.
He was a man deeply concerned (at least he presented himself) by his capacity to be a cause of harm and actively limited himself to avoid that. He was also extremely critical, casts judgements on people based upon what they said and prone to being pedantic.
Sneako on the other hand was a more dynamic person, who basically lived life, like a few assholes i know, with no concern for those around him He prioritized himself over others. He is funny, countered MrGirls statements with insinuations of MR GiRL being a pedophile for viewing "cuties" as problematic for sexuallizing its cast (his argument being " if you saw it as girls being sexualised, then you must have sexualised them too, why you sexualising them brah?")
when Sneako and Mr Girl left the stream the other female streamers remarked that he (sneako) was interesting and fun to be around.
it was a mirror image of my experience with society.
Women avoid men like Mr Girl because they don't want feel judged, despite his positions and his viewpoints making him less likely to be sexist and abusive. More likely to be self reflective, and more likely to be an equal partner. I got more platonic attention from women when I was more shy and didn't tell them that i felt like they contributed to a lot of situations in life that they complained about. My silence created an area of nonjudgment that they gravitated towards. They didnt see me as a sexual choice however.
What women like about guys like Sneako despite his openly sexist ideology is his over all lack of value judgement on a moral scale ( which makes sense considering he is amoral) and they don't feel judged when they are with him, especially since he will say as much without actually meaning it ( because he is a proponent of the redpill)?
So why ask men to be more moral? why the entire circle-jerk of how men should be better if a few jokes and charisma is all it takes to supersede that?
Is social justice and feminism a giant shit test for guys?
Is it so that the ones who are anxious enough to avoid making women feel uncomfortable weed themselves out of the population?
That seems to be the only possible reason as far as I can tell.
Edit : I dont like sneako. I actually think he is an asshole, however he has energy and charisma which dominates a conversation and people kinda accept the wild shit he says because "sneako gonna sneak". I prefer Mr Girl as a template for behaviour especially because of his near autistic refusal to make things he says more palatable. I prefer that clarity
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