23 year old virgin posts to CMV that he's frustrated and considering TRP. Helpful redditers assure him it's a bad idea. I posted a response to one such redditor and I wanted to share.

Vodkas21 · 2014-01-03T22:39:45+00:00

Since when were these redpill views?

women are dumb, rape is okay, etc.

reedrichardsstretch · 2014-01-03T22:10:36+00:00

Dude, that was awesome. Amazing post! Congrats!

puaSenator · 2014-01-03T23:04:09+00:00

The BP philosophy has given him a life of virginity... And now they are continuing to insist he continues following the very philosophy that has him given him nothing... Poor guy. Hope he chooses the pill.

Uh huh. Well, allow me to let you in on a little secret: the day that Jezebel of Feministing start publishing articles advising women to head down to the library and gather up the meek, studious men that will respect them and value them, TRP will disappear from the face of the Earth. poof gone. You guys win.

It's such a simple concept. TRP exists because it works. If we were teaching a strategy that didn't work, and we were all just delusional, TRP would shrivel up and die. However, we are growing at a very fast rate. Must be doing something right.

Hormander · 2014-01-03T22:53:57+00:00

There's one giant reason why you should stay far, far away from TRP:

If it was going to work for you, it would have worked already.

wut

CptDefB · 2014-01-03T23:33:33+00:00

At first I read it and I was little incensed...

The guy says he lurks here, then says we advocate rape and consider women to be stupid people.

THEN, he closes with, "TRP has been boosting my confidence, but I know people don't like it, so tell me how I can do without it."

Imagine his NYE if he didn't read TRP? No girl on lap, at all. He said, for a man with no sexual contact, this is a BIG FUCKING DEAL. But hey, go ahead and throw TRP under the bus.

Dude, if you actually do lurk here, and are reading this... take a look at the comments you received. Do they sound kinda like... you know... THE ADVICE YOU'VE BEEN RECEIVING YOUR WHOLE LIFE LEADING UP TO YOUR PRESENT VIRGINAL STATE??

Go ahead and keep doing what people who can't relate, and don't give a shit, keep telling you to do.

I'm not even mad... I'm disappointed.

You were ready to swallow the pill, and then went and asked a bunch of women and manginas if you should swallow it or not. How many more examples do people have to link on this sub, to show you that reddit is generally full of anti-masculine advice? You would have received better advice from RPW, and they don't even have penises.

Spitters are quitters, my friend.

Swallow or stay lonely.

McMurphyCrazy · 2014-01-03T22:16:47+00:00

Incredible response, and wow, that guy has a very messed up understanding of TRP. Not that it's uncommon on reddit to misunderstand TRP, heh.

Whisper · 2014-01-03T22:52:25+00:00

Hell, you can cut open people's brains and see the differences!

Coming on TBP: RedPill poster advocates killing women by cutting open their heads!!!!

cagethepepper · 2014-01-03T22:17:38+00:00

Again with the rape, are these people projecting themselves or something?

The_CEO_of_Beta · 2014-01-04T01:21:56+00:00

JamesDK's comment got BESTOF'd by reddit. BEST. OF.

A poorly constructed fallacious comment filled with weird rhetoric like, "If it was going to work for you it'd already work for you." and tripe like, "Just be yourself and you'll find love!"

Holy shit. I have learned 2 things about Reddit.

1) These redditors have no fucking clue what logic is and how to argue. It's like they knock over the pieces, shit on the chessboard and call themselves the winner.

2) They are so desperate to bash TRP that they would bestof even the most poorly constructed arguments just to make themselves feel better.

Wow. I thought it was just another random guy. But fucking BESTOF'd?

To see so many people upvote him makes me feel like I'm taking crazy pills. My entire life, nothing I've ever experienced reflected a single thing he claims. The complete opposite actually. I feel like I live in some parallel universe where everything I'm experiencing is the complete polar opposite of what these blue pillers say happen.

nicethingyoucanthave · 2014-01-03T22:47:11+00:00

/r/thebluepill post BS stories on other subs like /r/askreddit and /r/relationships (or make up RP to BP conversion stories on their own sub) to validate their perceptions of TRP. Their stories are pretty easy to spot when they discuss their interpretations of RP theory.

Let's see how quickly this one shows its stripes. The second sentence:

First of all, I don't subscribe to any of /r/theredpill 's more extreme views (women are dumb, rape is okay, etc).

It doesn't get any clearer than that.

EDIT:

At some point, I was sitting on a couch and pulled her into my lap without asking.

Straight out of that kickstarter controversy. No one would ever conceive or advocate that as a first move to get someone interested.

Great response, OP. But it's nothing that hasn't already been explained endlessly to these hopeless folks. They need their bogeyman to fulfill that urge to be self-righteous white knights.

ekjohnson9 · 2014-01-04T00:04:38+00:00

I don't know how to say this without sounding like an outside observer, so as an active member of this sub I'm going to take the position of an outside observer in this post to try to clarify why this vitriolic reaction seems to appear whenever TRP is discssused outside of /r/TheRedPill and its sister subs. For the purposes of this post lets disregard all overtly feminist/jezebel type criticisms because anyone subbed here knows that discussing them is an absolute waste of time.

The reason that TRP attracts the vitriolic outbursts from the average reddit user is because it has a branding issue. I use the word issue loosely here because I dont really view it as a problem but I'm on my 3rd glass of leftover champagne so you'll have to bear with me. In this sub we use VERY strong language. Bitch, slut, etc. There's a good reason for this, a ton of our newer and less experienced members need a fucking wake-up call that being treated a certain way is unacceptable and the only way to get this message across is to use this language, but to someone who is not actively seeking out TRP, it comes across as inflammatory, exaggerated, and emotional. Its easy to see a post like This and disregard it whilst patting yourself on the back for "being a decent human being". Nobody wants to think this way. Everybody wants to matter, be cared about and be loved, but the truth is that 99.99%+ of the people you meet in your life will never give a shit about you. That's a scary figure, its a big fucking number and its something that people who are already struggling with perceived problems in their lives (work, relationships, fitness, etc) will have trouble coming to terms with. Most people's friendships (at least in the USA) are superficial and lonely to a degree. Sure you can surround yourself with "friends" but how many of them would you have in your fox hole? That's what TRP mainly asks. What kind of man do you have to be to have a chick foxhole you, and what kind of chick do you want to foxhole with. That's fucking it.

People don't want to face this truth so they look at the terms we use and the examples we cite and label them as extreme and inflammatory. TRP and TRP ideas could be universally accepted and even admired if you just changed the terms around to make them softer and more palatable to the average idiot. While doing so COULD have potential positive consequences I doubt it would hold true, softening the ideas just moves them away from the core theory and the underlying reason as to why they WORK, so it can't be done for efficiency and effectiveness's sake. But I will give some examples for shits and giggles. If I was in charge of re-branding TRP to make the ideas palatable to the average idiot, here are is a free change:

Oneitis: It's important not to get involved in one sided relationships, make sure that you don't invest in someone emotionally until you are certain they will invest in you in return. Unrequited love is fine when you're 13, adults in healthy relationships know when to give up and move on.

It's branding, branding, branding. That fucking simple, but it should never be done because it detracts too much from what makes the material here effective. Now can we PLEASE stop lurking /r/changemyview and trying to argue with retards. Has the subscription counter ever gone DOWN!?!? Not since I've been here.

MockingDead · 2014-01-03T22:54:43+00:00

I have such a sophistboner for you right now. That last bit is precisely why we need TRP.

jolly--roger · 2014-01-03T23:34:35+00:00

"First of all, I don't subscribe to any of /r/theredpill 's more extreme views (women are dumb, rape is okay, etc)"

NO ONE HERE SAYS THAT!!!

This person is a young ignorant fool.

RedSpectrum · 2014-01-03T22:41:42+00:00

Awesome response OP

mrpoopistan · 2014-01-03T22:57:25+00:00

One of the better dissections I've seen performed.

lightfire409 · 2014-01-03T22:54:16+00:00

This is correct. We call that very specific type of woman: The Majority of Them

i got a pretty big chuckle out of that one. I hate it when people assume the "game" only works on lonely girls with daddy issues.

pcadrian · 2014-01-03T23:44:35+00:00

This is correct. We call that very specific type of woman: The Majority of Them

Goddam man that is some funny shit. A great response.

gprime312 · 2014-01-03T22:52:56+00:00

Never seen this sub-reddit and its ideas so thoroughly summed up. Saved.

ajswdf · 2014-01-03T23:41:53+00:00

Good job. I found this paragraph of his particularly stunning.

First, I don't think that you're really looking for what TRP is offering. At their heart, TRP and the 'seduction' community are about one thing: getting laid. You're a 23-year-old virgin, which means that you made it through high school and (probably) college, the horniest times in peoples' lives, without having sex. I don't think that casual, meaningless sex is what you're looking for.

The thing is: TRP will not help you get a girlfriend, and I think that what you really want is a girlfriend. If all you wanted was a casual fuck, there was girl in your group of friends who you just knew was into you. Maybe she wasn't quite pretty enough, maybe she was kind of irritating or kind of dumb. Who cares? She was ''DTF'' and you knew it and you turned it down.

Even if we give him that TRP can't help get a girlfriend (which I can personally attest to be false), the idea that a 23 year old virgin wouldn't want casual sex is absurd.

I bet this guy is somebody who was naturally attractive from the start, lost his virginity at the age of 16, and had sex with dozens of girls through high school and college before getting tired of it and deciding he wanted a relationship. Since he has had sex so easily, he doesn't see what the big deal is.

Of course, to somebody like OP, or even myself (I didn't even kiss a girl until 21), it's like a rich person telling a poor person that money isn't that important. Sure, if you can have sex basically whenever you want, maybe you'd prefer to be in a passionate relationship than to emotionlessly fuck another girl who's name you don't even know. But to a guy who struggles to get laid, just being able to have sex at all with a moderately attractive women is amazing.

desylid · 2014-01-04T00:01:40+00:00

IMO TRP needs to quit going into the general redditsphere (BP land) and trying to "spread the gospel". We aren't missionaries and nothing is gained by arguing with wannabe Dr. Phils about why you shouldn't supplicate to women.

People are ALWAYS going to be coming up with creative, imaginative ways of discounting TRP theory. (TRP only works on low quality girls, bro). These people arguing against TRP will always be "better" at coming up with bullshit rationalizations of why TRP doesn't fit their subjective experience than you will be at making a case FOR trp. You will always lose when arguing a BPer, because the fact that you are trying to justify yourself and try to get others on your side by logical arguments means that you are playing their game.

I see all these posts downvoted to -10 arguing on the side of TRP... but what's the point? Other men knowing RP ideas does not benefit you in any way. Making more people away of TRP by creating subreddit drama everywhere we go does not help YOU. Let the haters hate. Leaping to defend TRP every time its mocked just shows that you are a internet jockey, and not really living the RP life.

The fact that 99% of people are going to look at TRP, glance over, maybe just believe what someone else has said, and snarkily bitch about us... is good. It seperates the wheat from the chaff - the people with functioning, intellectual brains will come in here, read the full theory, and at least give it a full evaluation based on their own thoughts. This way the people who want to join the community and discuss have already been selected for their capacity to self-evaluate information. The majority of people, those who cannot understand RP, will kindly remain in the dark about RP.

TLDR: This isn't men's rights. Quit going on feminist leaning, BP areas of reddit and arguing about the same old tired subjects - it only funnels more morons and trolls into the RP subreddit.

shakaldrogo · 2014-01-03T22:46:15+00:00

He's stupid. Ask a feminist to attack her own gender on certain issues & he'll see they'll turn on him right then & there.

Kepaso · 2014-01-03T23:07:42+00:00

slow clap

RPsixthree · 2014-01-04T00:06:30+00:00

Nobody here thinks rape is ok. Where does that come from?

TehGinjaNinja · 2014-01-04T01:25:12+00:00

He admits that his wife reads "Jezebel and Feministing". It doesn't matter what you write, you aren't going to get through to him.

ZeusAlansDog · 2014-01-03T23:26:31+00:00

Milktoast lol

Olipyr · 2014-01-04T00:41:34+00:00

Where the fuck do people get that we think rape is okay?!

McMurphyCrazy · 2014-01-03T23:03:42+00:00

Holy fuck you are amazing sir.

IIHotelYorba · 2014-01-03T23:46:15+00:00

GJ. People need to be continually confronted by this stuff.

And not just because of how much it pisses me off when people get so self righteous reciting "well known facts" about how game works that were clearly made up on the spot.

johnnight · 2014-01-04T01:57:06+00:00

more publicity, more unplugged

http://emotibot.net/pix/3318.gif

drallcom3 · 2014-01-04T04:56:12+00:00

The best-of post doesn't even have any real content. It just screams no, don't do it. Him mentioning his girlfriend reading Jezebel was the best part.

sniperhiding · 2014-01-03T23:19:49+00:00

Just know that while some might say you wasted your time, arguing with feminists and white Knights (since it won't change their mind), you did the right thing. There will be those, the quiet ones, that do come over and see Trp for what it really is. Excellent work.

_whistler · 2014-01-04T00:08:52+00:00

I finished reading and wanted to stand and applaud. Fucking BRAVO, brother!

mordanus · 2014-01-04T00:23:30+00:00

Hell of a response to him man. I know this sounds sappy but it is nice to know that people like you and the rest of TRP exist. It felt so alone before.

MightySurly · 2014-01-04T01:15:37+00:00

The only proof needed that femnazis are full of shit

Warren Farrell goes to give a speech about Men's Rights and the femnazis show up and proceed to be unruly and violent. It's unbelievable how disrespectful femnazis are.

648262 · 2014-01-04T02:09:45+00:00

I need to stop reading threads outside TRP when they have anything to do with this sub.

I tend to keep my calm on most issues, but the views presented are so amazingly skewed and fucked up. Then the ignorant words just eats me up.

Good post OP. Sometimes I want to explain shit to the world as well, but I would end up crying when I got replies. You're a good dude.

anarchopianist · 2014-01-04T02:51:28+00:00

rape is ok

Seriously who makes this shit up?

[deleted] · 2014-01-04T04:28:23+00:00

I couldn't even get past the first comment. "I don't think casual meaningless sex is what you're looking for.."

Yeahh... And I want to marry women who have been through "casual and meaningless sex."

Seriously, who do these guys think they are? On what authority are they being so principled? If they were religious I'd buy it. But many people on reddit are athiests, and for an athiest to uphold one-sided morality like that, its just appalling to me.

I might have said it wrongly. But do forgive me.

Sam_Vimes177 · 2014-01-03T23:21:44+00:00

Absolutely perfect explanation as to what most modern men need to hear these days.

You knocked it out of the park brother.

[deleted] · 2014-01-04T00:13:06+00:00

I saw your response earlier and was very impressed how you explained everything fairly and genuinely.

agkooger · 2014-01-04T00:41:31+00:00

I myself and unsure if I want a relationship or just a casual encounter/pick up. However I am leaning more towards relationship, and new here. What I am getting at is there is solutions/advice/tips/break downs for both here.

NotMeUsee · 2014-01-04T00:53:18+00:00

This is fantastic, I saved it to pep talk myself in the future.

Dishmayhem · 2014-01-04T01:18:52+00:00

Glad I can tell you here, bc I couldn't in that thread: you fucking rock

slutworship · 2014-01-04T01:19:45+00:00

Bravo most excellent response

Stopher · 2014-01-04T01:51:21+00:00

It bugs me mashing TRP and PUA together. PUA is just a technique. I feel like TRP is more about self improvement.

mrhelton · 2014-01-04T02:45:31+00:00

Great reply. FYI I think "false dichotomy" is the fallacy you were looking for :)

[deleted] · 2014-01-04T04:15:39+00:00

This is from another discussion, but it still holds:

Most Redditors, (even the ones here) are part of the silent majority of people meet mates though their social circle. Provided they're not too boring or nice, and are at least okay socially. Most shit just works for people because of this. So of course you're going to see a lot of detractors on this site dumbfounded on why people would need game/RP. They can't fathom that for one reason or another shit doesn't 'just happen' for everyone.

If shit is 'just happening' for a lot of people, why bother with 'misogynistic' red pill shit? /s That's your average blue piller, and redditor. A good amount of people are doing fine either from chance or circumstance. Don't let the minority of incel redditors complaining fool you. Check the front page of AskReddit to see that half its front page are topics relating to interesting sex stories.

But for some people here (myself included, things didn't 'just happen') Because of my severe BP upbringing, things came very hard for me, and I've had to work for every inch I've gotten. (i.e learning game, TRP, ect...) Although I've gotten praise for my looks and style and had opportunities in the past, for a host of reasons, I wasn't able capitalize on them.

Everyone loves watching a train wreck or car accident, as long as they're not involved.

*spelling

Mightyskunk · 2014-01-04T04:22:10+00:00

Your answers were not only well thought out, but really civil. Damn, man. You have the patience of a monk.

NakedAndTheDead · 2014-01-04T04:38:35+00:00

Spot on response man. It was good of you to take the time.

Atleticomadrid · 2014-01-03T23:34:17+00:00

Damn... Nigga you on point

10J18R1A · 2014-01-03T23:30:52+00:00

With a few exceptions that post their cringeworthy pseudobiologic , I think the point of places like TRP and MRA is that women aren't dainty little creatures that have to be babied and that we have to enslave ourselves to and for. If things that are posted here were put in a Cosmo magazine, they'd eat it up. At its core, TRP is about knowing who you are and not settling for less than you want. White knights can't understand that, feminazis don't want that, but we actually treat women like equals, not like superiors.

TheSonofLiberty · 2014-01-04T00:00:53+00:00

You did well, its unfortunate that the thread is dying (dead?) though.

SacredC · 2014-01-04T00:22:26+00:00

Brilliant

Nick08f1 · 2014-01-04T03:22:19+00:00

Solid, but trashing OP at the end was just rediculously childish and unneeded.

Letesse · 2014-01-04T00:23:39+00:00

Nice...very nice. Clear and well written, I'll be back for more

SSTUPNC · 2014-01-04T00:47:06+00:00

I wanted to respond due to all the bullshit being espoused over there.

People still think game is still canned openers from 2004 like it has been frozen in time. Shit has evolved massively since then people have no idea.

Unfortunately CMV has a tendency to ban people who are subbed to TRP so I can't post comments over there.

CMV has a lot of censorship if it is not BP you will get banned.

Good job putting it in perspective. Hopefully the guy will stick to his guns and not be shamed by exaggerated caricatures of RP philosophy.

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