FR: I want a divorce

pcadrian · 2014-11-13T10:53:48+00:00

Start securing those assets man.

stoicly_whimsical · 2014-11-13T10:31:57+00:00

Speaking from experience.

When your woman in a relationship is saying she wants something or you to do things.

It's not usually what she's actually talking about. She's annoyed, upset, bitter, resentful or whatever emotion she feels and to rationalise and justify it, comes up with a reason for it to be so.

Not. "I'm feeling unhappy so I've been self analysing and need to spend some time on my hobbies to unwind".

More like. "I'm feeling unhappy and it must be that enteralterego doesn't take me on holidays."

I was copping more arguments and resentment when I was actually doing more housework and helping out more. Go figure. Doesn't make sense logically but I understand it now.

The difference is instead of just doing what was said I just flat out said "No. I appreciate what you do around the house and am thankful for it. I try and help out as much as possible but if I'm working or busy too bad. I will do what I can, when I can but it will be my way and in my own time."

Obviously it also is a test and being a door mat and doing everything asked is usually the wrong answer, even though sometimes it is based on some degrees of truth.

Also on the "I want a divorce" bit. I've found those sort of threats or similar are a bit of a mix of a test and power play. Essentially do what she wants or she will threaten you with losing her so you will cave and do what she wants. But then also, on the other side of the coin, a desire for you to call her on her bullshit and put her in her place.

Archwinger · 2014-11-13T16:24:39+00:00

You explained way too damn much.

She didn't hear your logic and words. She heard that you were explaining yourself to her, which meant that you care, you thought you had to convince her, and that managing her thoughts and feelings ranks highly on your priority list.

That's why she was nicer. You thought you were being a badass, but you were actually qualifying yourself to her, which validated her. Explaining yourself in thorough detail like that felt exactly the same to her as "please don't divorce me i love you."

slcjosh · 2014-11-13T09:11:12+00:00

The biggest problem I have with divorce and the divorce rate in this country is how bad it FUCKS WITH YOUR KIDS. I have seen it first hand with so many close friends and no one ever talks about it.

I'm sorry, but if you are 16 or younger and your parents split....it traumatic as fuck. Some of the smartest, brightest kids I knew lost their way when their folks split. It's a sad reality.

Fractures like that, as a young, developing adult can really fuck you up, and it happens more often than it should.

But when I bring up these thoughts people call me a misogynist...

denmaur · 2014-11-13T14:40:22+00:00

I went through the same thing until we divorced about 3 years ago. My son was also 8 at the time. Once we split, I focused all my time (other than work) on my son. I took a single parenting class at the local childrens hospital, and learned a lot there. I made sure he had a great bedroom in the new apartment, complete with furniture, posters, lots of books, etc. The custody arrangement is basically 50/50 including every other weekend. I make sure to spend quality time with him. At the park throwing his football, occasionaly trips, reading and praying together, dinners out (I can but I hate to cook). Our relationship is rock solid, he's doing really well in school, and has no anger issues that I can tell. It's been three years and things are going really well. My point is, if you care about your child, make him/her a priority in your life, and divorce doesn't have to be the disaster that some people make it out to be. According to a councelor I've seen a few times, the latest research proves it. As long as you're a positive, active influence in the child's life. Hope this helps.

EdsonH · 2014-11-13T07:39:17+00:00

Well, the woman will put herself before you and her kid in every way, except in the sense of improving herself.

The modern western woman is pretty much impossible to keep "happy" because she is raised to find all happiness in external things. The woman's entire perspective is about bending everything towards them. So, right now, her decision isn't about love, it's about greener grass and "better" things. Can she find better or be "happier" with some new external stimulation.

Antagonistic_Comment · 2014-11-13T13:18:48+00:00

You got to give that Vince Vaughn length 6-paragraph speech without being interrupted by an upset woman who doesn't respect you? I think that's amazing.

Locastor · 2014-11-13T13:31:32+00:00

Last night before we went to bed she gave me a long hug.

How long has it been dead bedroom? Is she cheating?

westhewolf · 2014-11-13T15:34:24+00:00

Business dinner? What kind if business? The cheating kind?

mordanus · 2014-11-13T10:25:09+00:00

I did a very similar thing a year ago. My relationship with my wife was shit and I kept looking for ways to fix it. Glad to see trp is working out for you like it did me.

Smekiz · 2014-11-13T14:28:19+00:00

The "you never let me win/i am always wrong argument", can someone please tell me what the fuck they are hoping to achieve there? I get it all the time, and i really don't get it - if i thought i was wrong i'd not be arguing my point.

How is that a valid argument? The stupidity is baffling.

fasterpussycatdie · 2014-11-13T13:41:22+00:00

My wife used to pull that shit early on to try to get me to back down, or if she felt she was "losing" an argument. I finally said GOOD! This conversation is finally over, have the papers drawn up and I'll sign them. and I meant it. Back in those days I was always good with women, I just sucked at marriage. I thought that it would be the same thing as any LTR with the exception that you live together. It's not.

Christian_Kong · 2014-11-13T15:39:38+00:00

I guess I havent been around TRP long enough to imagine that women use "I want a divorce" as a shit test. Jesus fucking Christ, man.

Frozen_Tundra · 2014-11-13T15:49:10+00:00

Married here.

You mentioned you left some stuff out so it is hard to judge exactly what is going on. I do think you handled things correctly by setting boundaries using the divorce card, but her asking to see if you cared about her wanting a divorce was a test. It throws them off if you go rational (cold in womenspeak) as they are expecting you to get all beta on them and use it to gain control.

One thing that we tend to miss out on including me, is how women communicate. A great read is Rollo's article on the medium is the message here:

http://therationalmale.com/2011/09/06/the-medium-is-the-message

(mods if you want an archive post instead drop me a line not sure of the policy on quality manosphere links)

I am guessing that you may have missed some of those "medium is the message" along the way and as rollo points out in the article

Lastly I should add that women are not above using overt communication when it serves their purposes. When a woman comes out and says something in a fashion so as to leave no margin for misinterpretation, you can bet she’s been pushed to that point out of either fear or sheer exasperation when her covert methods wont work.

So whatever is going on she is telling you she isn't happy and she is looking to you to take a leadership role to figure it out.

I would hazard a guess that growing further apart etc. are symptoms of an underlying problem and she has no idea what it is, just knows what she feels.

RojoEscarlata · 2014-11-13T16:16:18+00:00

Why would you go to such lengths to explain yourself to her? Beth she didn't process half the things you said.

At some point you just started hamstering a lot too.

If you don't show that you REALLY are able to walk away she will always thing of you as a little bitch.

HS-Thompson · 2014-11-13T13:38:05+00:00

Not bad, but you are talking too much and using rational linear thought to try to convince her. In the long run you will find that is not going to work for you. It's fine that you gave her that mini essay speech or whatever but if you find yourself doing it again you have failed. Make sure not to forget that the only way you will achieve change in her is by observable changes in your own actions. Not words.

ubiety · 2014-11-13T10:03:38+00:00

Good job standing up for yourself. Your wife pulls the divorce card whenever she wants to win a fight, and previously you didn't contest it. Now that you have, you've established boundaries and (hopefully) she knows she still has a husband to call her put on her shit. Ball's in her court (literally) to complicate each of your lives. Is it worth it from her stand point to break up everything, essentially gamble, or keep the family intact with this "stronger" man? I can't say, I don't know the whole story. Just keep yourself happy in the meantime, and keep incorporating the No More Mr. Nice Guy advice. Both will help immensely (and lift if you haven't started already).

bonerOn4thJuly · 2014-11-13T15:01:00+00:00

It's always gratifying to see people who have lost so much ground over the years having the strength to turn things around and recover their place, well done to you sir!

sinnerdizzle · 2014-11-13T15:22:35+00:00

Posts like this remind me of my mentally destructive ex. She'd constantly make fits about the smallest things, and if we ever got into too bad, she'd threaten to leave me. Usually when that happened, I ignored her, kept cool. Then we'd talk, everything would get better again. Eventually when things heated up, she'd post on facebook, for the world to see that she's upset, it's MY fault, and then my friends (one of which happened to be her cousin) would verbally assault me. I got tired of that shit real quick. So one New Years eve, she went down that "we need to break up" bit. I said fuck it. Bye. Get out, have a nice life. Glad things kinda worked out for you OP, but sometimes you gotta draw the line. I don't think anyone's worth keeping if they make constant threats to leave

BluepillProfessor · 2014-11-13T15:48:44+00:00

I bet she has no intention of filing. It was a Shit Test and you passed. Keep us updated and hold that frame.

You probably want to talk less and let your actions speak for themselves.

2014-11-13T15:53:10+00:00

good FR, but you obviously have something to lose and act on the defensive, despite having improved, which very commendable, you did stand your ground, but you have no trenches!

marking your availability in bold for her to access whenever she wants. that will make her feel safe and secure in having you, and won't get her to work hard for you to stay.

if/when it gets ugly, she will most likely end up using your kid against you.

dread game. gym + start flirting (with other women). it will get her tingles going.

and contact a lawyer asap and get a contingency plan happening. your woman sounds flakey, and gives you and your child much less consideration than what you seem to be doing.

oldmantrp · 2014-11-13T16:03:20+00:00

Do not fool yourself in to thinking staying together for the sake of your child is a good thing. Your child is at the age where he is going to start realizing that you're making massive compromises of yourself.

He will start connecting the dots and will blame himself for his parents deluded selves and unhappiness.

If you're are truly congruent with the no more mr. guy stuff, you need to show a lot more strength and stability. A divorce is ok if you are your childs rock. The love of an alpha dad feels so much better than the love of a compromised, broken dad.

1independentmale · 2014-11-13T16:53:14+00:00

My ex used to pull the "I want a divorce" card on the regular.

Every time, I called her bluff and told her, "Go for it." She never did.

Eventually I got sick and fucking tired of hearing it so I said, "I'm sick and fucking tired of hearing this. The next time you ask for a divorce, you better be prepared to file because if you don't, I will."

That put an end to it. Still wound up divorcing her (and she fought it to the bitter end).

jcrpta · 2014-11-13T20:38:19+00:00

Get yourself onto /r/marriedredpill

No disrespect to the people on here - the ideas are by and large pretty sound - but it's mostly oriented towards men who are neither in nor interested in any sort of LTR.

Too much of it is poisonous, you'll wind up wanting a divorce more than you'll want to patch things up.

sir_wankalot_here · 2014-11-13T10:05:36+00:00

My take on this. People say all sorts of things when they are upset. Just with women usually say different things then men. So the favorite one with women is "I want a divorce". If she really wanted a divorce she wouldn't have bothered to threaten OP with it, she would have gone out and found a lawyer. OP would have learned about it when he was getting served papers.

Personally I think divorce is too easy now days. And the solution to every relationship problem is get a divorce. Unless there are extreme circumstances work shit out. Working shit out does not mean bending over backwards but both sides make intelligent compromises.

OP I think did the right thing, he got his wife to actually think about what she was saying. Also the divorce thing was a shittest in my opinion. The fact that his wife calmed down the next day seems to indicate OP did the right thing.

rednukleus · 2014-11-13T10:47:11+00:00

This is one of the better posts.

OpiumPhrogg · 2014-11-13T15:01:56+00:00

"With that out of way - I know you are unhappy. So am I. But I am doing things for myself, that will make me happy. You are not responsible for MY happiness. If it was so I would resent you when I fail to be happy for some reason. I don't want that."

As a married man, I can relate to everything said there. That was absolutely spot on. I will need to remember this. Thanks.

TheRealMewt · 2014-11-13T15:32:10+00:00

Be careful, OP.

The relationship you have with your wife is nearly exactly how I handled the situation with my ex wife. The dust might be settled now, but I wouldn't be surprised if she plays the D card during the next petty fight you two have.

UEMcGill · 2014-11-13T15:42:24+00:00

The only so-so thug you did was talking at her about her happiness. She'll see this as yet another instance of "he doesn't listen"

I would add dread to the conversation next time. A simple "I'll have your replacement in short order. I DONT NEED YOU".

By all means file.

karmacrunch · 2014-11-13T16:24:45+00:00

If it helps i was 8 when my parents go divorced and it didn't affect me at all, it does depend on the kid ALLOT but with the right support kids can cope with divorce

systemshock869 · 2014-11-13T17:58:51+00:00

I held frame to the 'I want a divorce' thing, and she left. Fortunately there are no kids and dividing up our assets/debts was fairly straightforward (I still ended up with the short straw on debt, but it went so smoothly that I can't complain).

Within a month she went from a reasonably sane person to being a bi-polar wreck that got kicked out of her friends' house for her shitty behavior. Dating (now living with) her plan C because plan B rejected her. Getting fired from one of her jobs for being a flaky employee. Losing her beautiful and amazing dog because she has to live in an apartment with her new fuck buddy. I've come to realize that I dodged a HUGE bullet.

Now I'm friends with her former roomies/best friends once again, and everyone can see the shitty bed she has made for herself. In a way it's pretty satisfying. But also very sad. I'm not one to say never get married, but don't get married until you're 1000% ready kids!

Edit: I still think that the whole thing was a shit test, and she was just too proud to come back and apologize to me. Now she's dug herself a giant hole and there's no turning back. Pride goeth before a fall.

johnbranflake · 2014-11-13T20:45:14+00:00

Don't explain your feelings or anything about the red pill frame etc to a woman. I think you passed her shit test but do it with much less talking. Silence is confident

enteralterego · 2014-11-13T14:05:55+00:00

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ColdEiric · 2014-11-13T12:06:07+00:00

Well played, enteralterego.

I am looking forward to your next post.

HermitXenotrope · 2014-11-13T17:02:49+00:00

In a similar situation. Not to the extent of yours, but along the same lines and maybe heading that way in 7 years. I feel for ya.

surfjihad · 2014-11-13T17:06:14+00:00

OP would be wise to prepare for the worst. Recommended reading - "The List"

http://forum.mensdivorce.com/viewtopic.php?t=13374

jrr6415sun · 2014-11-13T17:08:48+00:00

You can't let your wife constantly threaten a divorce. Tell her the next time she says that it's final or get some papers ready and the next time she says it hand her the papers immediately

thenarrrowpath · 2014-11-13T17:12:17+00:00

Take all of your money and give it to your Parents or another relative you can trust right now. Threating divorce over petty things???? I don't even think non-red pillers would agree with that!!!

asd1100 · 2014-11-13T17:44:27+00:00

I said "do not threaten me with divorce. I never mentioned divorce in any of our fights, and when I think about divorce I will simply go and file one. So if you mean to get a divorce, by all means just do it and I'll sign the papers. If not don't keep threatening me with it because I will not allow it." "With that out of way - I know you are unhappy. So am I. But I am doing things for myself, that will make me happy. You are not responsible for MY happiness. If it was so I would resent you when I fail to be happy for some reason. I don't want that. I tried doing the stuff that you said you wanted, and I didn't get a proper response for it. I tried taking you to holidays, buying nice stuff, going out, to be available all the time, to do chores, take care of the kid, handle the house stuff, not doing stuff that you say annoys you all on top of providing the bulk for our family- but in turn I get no intimacy, no respect, and no reciprocation. This makes me unhappy. So I will do whatever makes me happy, because the other method did not work. I suggest you do the same. Secondly I do not consider divorce a viable option to resolve your problems. Not having me in your life will not make your life any easier or happier. You need to work out your problems and ask for help if you need me to fix something - which I will happily do. Just stop blaming me for your unhappiness. Lastly I believe that divorce will affect our 8 year old son in a very bad way and he will feel it was his fault that we had to separate, because that is how the child's mind operates at that age. He will resent you, or me, or both of us for not being like other parents, or making his life complicated and the current state of things is not so bad that there are constant fights, abuse etc and our son is happy as he is. I do not want to destroy this for him, at such an early age.

I like this guy. Where was this guy the other night?:

The other night, she started bitching about something I forgot. A minor thing - I was supposed to fedex sth to her parents and couldnt get round to it because of work (busy week for me). Instead of making up lame excuses I simply said "I didnt have time to sort it out, I had more important stuff to do, and your mother already had told me that it wasn't a big deal and I could send it any time I wanted". She then started to bitch about how I always "was right" and "I never let her tell me when I was wrong etc" (which is not true, I always own up to my mistakes) , and "how arrogant" , "annoying" and "know-it-all" I was. When I replied she simply tried to cut it with "do not shout at me". I wasn't shouting so I said : "when I shout you will know I am shouting. This is not shouting. This is me upset. "

I don't like this guy, you don't like being this guy, and your wife can't stand this guy. Why do you keep him around? Do not engage in her petyness. She is just lashing out because she can't hit her kid or her boss and it's one thing to let her, but you fuel her rage, you engage and you amplify her vitriol. Do you get mad at the rock if you trip on it? How about if it could talk back to you?

Be a rock my friend.

Darkone06 · 2014-11-13T17:54:47+00:00

I would rint up the Divorce form and have it printed out.

She wants to bring it up walk over to your shelf, pull out a nice fancy folder and tell her to sign it.

I seen it done and it turn her world upside down. She could no longer make a threat since you were all ready to go with it. It will show her that you have your shit in order and have already comtempleted an exit stradagy.

Make her feel like fine, im doing what you want but im doing it better. I have options bitch.

R50cent · 2014-11-13T17:59:14+00:00

I wouldn't put up with that. If I was arguing with my SO and she continually brought up the "well I'm going to leave you" card, I would beat her to the punch, I'd leave her ass, no reason to put up with that emotional blackmail.

Honestly, she sounds spoiled. If you are constantly trying to keep her happy and she is constantly complaining to you about it, something definitely needs to change in her behavior, or its time to walk away from that.

I know it's a tough prospect, given that you have a kid, but think about it this way, do you really want your child to pick up these bad personality traits from your wife? How long is it going to be before your kid is living a perfectly normal life but complaining over nothing?

Finally, the problem obviously wasn't about you not sending the package, I'm sure you know that. So the question becomes what is it really about? My best guess, she's either bothered by her lack of control over you, or its what everyone else is saying, she's looking for a reason to leave, or she's trying to goad you into leaving her/cheating so she can leave guilt free.

Regardless, mark my words OP, your wife is keeping something from you.

Kozen117 · 2014-11-13T18:06:09+00:00

This is why you need that prenup.

binrobinro · 2014-11-13T18:23:04+00:00

That was really well thought out. Good going.

jumbokrajewski · 2014-11-13T19:07:52+00:00

This reads like a fan fiction of TRP ideals. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but mentioning you were reading No More Mr. Nice guy, and your uninterrupted monolouge of TRP dogma makes it sound embellished.

2014-11-13T19:33:56+00:00

No way in hell the wife is filing for a divorce. That being said id contact a lawyer to secure your assets right away.

xthemoonx · 2014-11-13T20:00:34+00:00

you are doing all the right things! keep it up bro and good luck!

User-31f64a4e · 2014-11-13T20:25:58+00:00

Threatening divorce is dread game.

You called her on it, so kudos.

And whoever said securing assets is right. Even if it's only dread game, the fact is that divorce is not inconceivable to this woman. If they can conceive it, they can do it. If she doesn't, then having some assets in a place she can't get them will do no harm.

Keep in mind that in a divorce, you will be asked for tax returns. That has implications for how you might secure assets, assuming you don't intend to commit tax fraud (which imho would be a really bad idea.)

ExamplePrime · 2014-11-13T20:28:17+00:00

Brilliant Field report man

You manned up without being aggressive, showed a level of compassion without being soppy, listed off reasons without being boring, stood your ground when you could have wavered and most importantly, you actually took action instead of wanting to.

I hope you can sort things out. Good luck.

evilquesadilla · 2014-11-13T22:41:36+00:00

That's just how women are. My GF threw the "I want to break up" tactic in my face, so I helped her gather up her stuff and sent her on her way. We did get back together, but she has never tried that trick with me again. It's because she never wanted to break up with me in the first place; all she wanted was to get her way, and I've demonstrated that trick will only backfire against her.

Break up/divorce, to men, is the highly escalated result of serious problems. To women, it's simply a tool for getting their way.

I've had my platonic female friends gave me advice about using break ups as a strategy to get my relationship partner to do/not do certain things. They rationalize it as the ends justify the means, for the side they're on... my platonic female friends - my side. But in their own relationships, their side would be, well, their side.

It certainly sucks having to deal with this, but this is like wanting to live in a big city but you hate traffic. Well, there's no way around it. Relationships are power struggles, period. And this is just one of the many tricks women will pull to win the power struggle. It is what it is.

Keeping frame isn't just important while dating, it's just as important in a relationship. Giving in to women may be a nice gesture, but it will only encourage them to push farther and go for more.

pl231 · 2014-11-14T03:57:33+00:00

this actually seems pretty serious. it's different to hamster it one time and then never again but to maintain the thought of it for this long, fuck, if I were you, I'd want a divorce from her after this. If she's this serious and thinking this hard about it, then it's likely you will end up divorced or she will do some shady shit if you don't.

A long hug?

MoneyStatusLooks · 2014-11-14T01:35:44+00:00

Why does she want a divorce? Where have you been fucking up?

From your post, it seems like you said most of that shit with a strong/attractive frame.

BluepillProfessor · 2014-11-14T02:40:42+00:00

Definitely check out /r/marriedredpill

I am not sure the old married guys would agree this "I want a Divorce" shit test is a sign of cheating. This happens all the time- if you let it.

ShekelBanker · 2014-11-14T06:01:22+00:00

OP you broke the main rule of game: holding frame. Your wife using the "I want a divorce" card as a shit test (a pretty sado-masochistic one if you ask me, but who am I to judge) is the perfect way that she will coerce you into turning betabux for her (aka doing whatever she wants). How do you think some of the betas that got divorced managed to get screwed? They gave in to the wife's threats until she convinced hereself he would serve her after divorce via alimony/child support.

Do not by any chance get coerced into doing her anything when she uses the divorce shit test. Hold the frame and send a clear message you are not the one to be bossed around with such ludicrous threats. I for one might hate these psychologically sick women but as a parent, whether male or female is inexcusable in my eyes to compromise a child forever either by using him as a weapon (woman almost always gets custody, the child support money) and deprived of the other parent (the father, which is disastrous not only because of the lack of a male role model but also a myriad of other psychological issues like increased rate of suicide, drug abuse etc.)

Endevour · 2014-11-14T12:52:58+00:00

This is jusy a vibe I'm getting, but the way she reacted gives me the feeling she be cheating on you. It can be worth looking into, because it will weight heavily in your favour in case it comes to divorce. Both speaking in terms of division of assets and child custody.

imaRPman · 2014-11-14T22:19:52+00:00

Threats of divorce over trivial arguments is a loyalty test, which you failed. She is insecure and wants re-assurance.

I had the same experience with my wife and failed several times too. I finally shut it down with this:

"I'll decide if and when we are to divorce. I have no thoughts or plans for divorce. If you want a you'll first need to seek my permission which i will not grant to you. I don't want to hear that word from you again."

frzndesserts · 2014-11-15T02:38:01+00:00

yea- it seems like she was using the divorce card as a shit test for him to comply with her demands-and he maintained frame- in the end you are only responsible for your own happiness! if she does follow thru with the divorce threat- keep frame and continue to enjoy your life! she will still be unhappy no matter what! the problem with these girls is they want 100% control over guys! some guys comply-other guys don't -and the guys who don't comply, usually gives these girls the balls to file divorce and think they will get you to comply with their demands via the state and court system!

2014-11-13T16:37:03+00:00

if you end up getting a divorce trust me when i tell you that it might be better off for your kid. He has a higher chance of being screwed up if he lives in the home of a loveless marriage, a lot more psychological issues can stem from seeing you two argue all the time, etc.

AchillesOtherLeg · 2014-11-13T19:43:08+00:00

I would say you communicated with too much logic and fairness.

I would be suspicious that underneath that smile is a dagger aimed squarely at the sweet spot between your shoulder blades.

Dread is supposed to inspire worry, loss, panic. Not conciliation, that is why the reaction comes off as being fake.

PS I'd be willing to bet she's now looking up your choice of reading materials to get inside your head.

dented_halo · 2014-11-14T05:36:15+00:00

Lawyer the fuck up right now and protect assets. She's had this in the works for awhile. Keeps a diary, sleep in your own bed and don't move out.

enteralterego · 2014-11-13T08:44:21+00:00

Oh my fucken hell your wifes hamster went insane. I don't pretend to know how it is for 10 year married frame. Ill throw out some random knowledge and you can say whether or not you need to take it on board. You need to be the leader and the rock that her emotions can rage around. Most of what you said sounded good but you went into negotiation mode with her by throwing back that she decides whether she wants a divorce or not. I also think you need to talk about how your a team and need to work together to improve your lives instead of framing your "talk" as a you vs her interaction.

Tell me what you think, I have no idea how 10 year marriage works.

acidbass303 · 2014-11-13T20:24:06+00:00

Having a wife be around other single men, let alone work a full-time job is blue pill. Sounds like youre not poor, why not let your wife raise the kid.

Title	FR: I want a divorce
Author	enteralterego
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Comments	208
Date	November 13, 2014 7:33 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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