Stefan Molyneux talks to an insufferable beta and his hypergamous girlfriend who wants to be able to fuck other men.

Chuckwagon1645 · 2015-09-25T02:44:29+00:00

At around 48:30, Stephan pins her down on what she's really after. She's already got long time "friends" in mind. I'll bet my left nut she's already got this shit going. She's just trying to rationalize it and get him to go along with it so she can ease that conscience. LOL.

aphelion3342 · 2015-09-25T02:05:11+00:00

What would be good for the children is not having mom out banging other dudes while dad's home crying and pulling his wiener.

avngr · 2015-09-25T08:30:39+00:00

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What is this?

Philhelm · 2015-09-25T03:20:15+00:00

I can understand why a man might initially agree to an open relationship, under the misguided belief that he will get tons of strange, but a woman wanting to have children with different men while maintaining the relationship is beyond outrageous. I'd sooner LTR a hooker, since at least she'd be making money.

mrmeyhemn · 2015-09-25T01:29:55+00:00

Some guys take "she's never yours its just your turn" way to fucking literally.

Lesninore · 2015-09-25T03:48:14+00:00

This woman is such a slave to her tingles that she's willing to invite a bunch of strangers to hang around her children, this is how kids get molested, women willing to compromise the barriers that protect their families for the sake of tingles. It's generally not a good idea to invite a bunch of strangers to hang around your children, common fucking sense, but no, gotta have them tingles.

This woman should not spawn but she will, and her kids are going to bear the brunt pain of her shortcomings, no father figure, no stability, an unstable household that creates ripe opportunities for predatory segments of society, for her and for her children. Her boyfriend lacks all of this foresight and wisdom, guy needs to spend a significant amount of time in monk-mode and realize that he's the first and most mighty barrier that can protect his family, and he needs to realize that he needs to find a mother that doesn't so easily embrace her tingles, especially at the cost of the children. A relationship is the last thing that this guy needs right now.

whisky1111 · 2015-09-25T04:27:24+00:00

The guy(Matt) is painful to listen to, no doubt.

But the real villain here is the woman. You can just hear the entitlement in her voice.

Yes, I understand AF/BB and that and we should, on some level, accept a woman's "amoral" behavior as standard but this is something different.

This is downright pathological.

Statecensor · 2015-09-25T01:30:14+00:00

The better follow up after the guy saying "good for the children" would be. What if they are not your biological children but the children of the man she is currently with while you babysit?

What gets me is all of the comments trying to get this guy to leave the woman. This guy knows exactly what type of relationship he is in and yet everyone in the Youtube comments and perhaps even here. Have this need to try and rescue him. You cannot rescue a man who wants to be a cuckold.

5pecial · 2015-09-25T11:29:08+00:00

If my girlfriend/wife ever uttered the word "polyamory", I'd ditch without a second thought.

timoppenheimer · 2015-09-25T09:15:17+00:00

I'm just gonna drop this here. Men, you need to understand that women view you as utilities if you're trying to use "status" to get laid. The fact is that the male caller doesn't have much in the way of bargaining power, since she can leave with the kids and house in modern family courts. Men should avoid marriage so that they can at least leave a shit-tier woman like this.

https://i1.wp.com/www.pressandjournal.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2014/09/backup_infographic_F.jpg

SuperMaoriFulla · 2015-09-25T06:01:12+00:00

Good listen. Still listening. Did a transcribe of section 11:47 - 14:12. Stefan discusses why monogamy developed over polyamory.

Stefan: "Because if you don't have monogamy from a man a woman, before birth control, right when all this stuff evovled, a woman would generally spend the vast majority of her time from 14 to 40 either being pregnant, recovering from pregnancy, breastfeeding or being pregnant again. There's a pattern here, I'm trying to figure out what it is right.

"Now this requires 20 or 30 years of massive resources investment from a man because she's kind of busy with 12 kids and breastfeeding and diapers and cooking and cleaning and diapers and I think I may have mentioned something about diapers. So she needs the man to go out there and get her a big giant house and she needs the man to go out and bring home 10 times the amount of food that he needs to eat for himself. So she needs the commitment from the man.

"And so women who were not monogamous would generally tend to produce kids that no individual man had much investment in and that's why men and women would date, get engaged, get married and then would be monogamous because that gave each individual's genetic material the best chance of surviving and flourishing and those people who turned away from monogamy ended up being weeded out of the gene pool over time - not permanently and not for everyone and for every of course 'cause nauture is nothing if not playful. But that's sort of the fun.

"So if you want to have kids I guarantee you that the vast likelihood is that if you are not monogamous, and if you Matthew, end up with Cristina getting pregnant by some other guys kids, then your commitment to the protection of that child will be vastly diminished much to the detriment of that child."

Matthew: "Well, you know, I don't think it's fair to equate uh... um monogamy, or equate non-monogamy with a lack of commitment, right. You can still be committed to someone and... and you can be committed to multiple people, right?"

Stefan: "Well, but, you. It's like I didn't even speak earlier."

porcupinee · 2015-09-25T07:16:45+00:00

My best friend was in an almost identical situation. He would always half-heartedly try to explain to me why polyamory was superior by stringing together buzzwords like biology and compassion. In the end his gf fucked a bunch of other dudes and gave him HPV. He even told me a story once about how he went down on her after another dude just banged her. Years after she left him for one of these dudes, he finally admitted that he only tried to reconcile it; he never truly believed it.

Polyparenting lol. Idiots.

letsberealistik · 2015-09-25T01:34:11+00:00

I was just watching this after a long day, and nearly spat my drink out when Stefan (@1:00) asks Matthew why they're going to talk about benefits of multiple partners within a committed relationship:

"Because... uhhh... I guess it's more Christina who has expressed interest in umm....I guess...Poly-relationships"

You can't make this shit up!

cheeky_throwaway101 · 2015-09-25T02:41:45+00:00

Man, women are so fucking selfish this kind of shit can't go on for much longer. When my ex ran off with a rich dude I wanted to murder everything.

U can only imagine what would happen if she was behaving like this woman in the vid.

It's literally like speaking to a brick wall. This (Matt) guy is so fucking frustrating.

HommePensif · 2015-09-25T06:01:50+00:00

Stefan Molyneux is the shit, I'd recommend him to anyone looking for insight into hot topics. Kinda felt bad for the dude in the call though, he must have some serious mental issues.

scarletspider3 · 2015-09-25T03:23:45+00:00

God I can't watch shit like this. Nobody can really be that brainwashed. That has to be some kind of mental illness that has yet to be defined.

Donner-Hahn · 2015-09-25T03:49:10+00:00

This is fucking wild, thank you for sharing.

jdgsr · 2015-09-25T06:28:03+00:00

He even explicitly goes over shit tests in the last few minutes. He explains it perfectly.

https://youtu.be/8J59XD9x_Vc?t=5092

squidracer · 2015-09-25T16:46:21+00:00

That whole thing made me cringe. WTF is wrong with young men these days??? He spent over an hour trying to hampster on her behalf!?!?

Is this the result of being raised by single mums or what?

justtookit · 2015-09-25T02:36:19+00:00

It's 90 minutes. Is there a most-relevant-section you recommend?

EuropeIsFallingApart · 2015-09-25T08:17:57+00:00

Just the sound of this guys voice alone gives away how fucking beta he is.

pcadrian · 2015-09-25T16:54:14+00:00

The guy's hamster surpasses any woman's I've met. Stefan has infinite patience.

dr_warlock · 2015-09-25T17:31:13+00:00

What do you call a person that watches kids, but none of them are theirs? A babysitter.

Peow_peow · 2015-09-25T01:59:56+00:00

Seems like a nice lady, not sure what all the fuss is about.

1NV0K3R · 2015-09-25T14:22:34+00:00

He could be a second dad.

I'm literally crying from laughter.

Pkbeefatude · 2015-09-25T17:08:24+00:00

I don't understand why so many men have such low self worth that they put up with this shit.

Even my Dad. His entire relationship is essentially rolling over to whatever shit my mom wants to do. I've told him a hundred times to put his foot down. "This is why you're not married"

Why the fuck would I want your slave status? If "being married" means capitulating to every fickle whim of your wife...fuck that! How did older me get like this?

I notice it especially among people over 50, babby boomers and even my grandparents. They just do as directed by their wives to avoid a fight; it's sad really.

2comment · 2015-09-25T17:51:04+00:00

Damn, Stefan has god-like patience. I couldn't imagine trying to talk sense into this mangina for more than 5 minutes.

knifpearty · 2015-09-25T07:40:51+00:00

Poor guy.

Also: i wish i’d be given this knowledge much earlier in my life. Either by my dad or my mother.

denart4 · 2015-09-25T08:11:01+00:00

It gets better and better. Worth the build up if you have the time.

marrio91 · 2015-09-25T08:50:40+00:00

You can tell by listening to this, that the guy "learned" everything he knew about polygamous relationships from her. Every one of his points was said by her in some capacity, better by her. He's probably not going to be smart enough to jump ship, and just listen to her complain about "you deciding we go on that stupid show with that idiot who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about."

CrustsRemoved · 2015-09-25T19:02:02+00:00

Matthew's Law: There's no end to what a man in scarcity will do for the slightest chance at pussy.

GhostOfAladdin · 2015-09-26T14:01:29+00:00

Poor sap's self esteem must be low. Let me guess, the sap didnt express much confidence with Stefan?

ShazzMichaels · 2015-09-25T16:46:48+00:00

"Maybe the guy has to go on a date with both of us" I absolutely lost it at that point.

tingle_tangle · 2015-10-20T04:18:11+00:00

This might be a stupid question, but I'm curious: what do folk here actually think of two well-adjusted people who actively engage in a polyamorous relationship? Not the one stated above, but one where both partners actively go out and have sex with other people and are fine with the other party doing so.

MakesYouFeelWeird- · 2015-09-27T21:18:31+00:00

Most painful thing I watched on this sub. Onetis makes you sound like an idiot.

mrgrowl94 · 2015-09-25T03:40:10+00:00

Holy smokes. Not even half way through and this is literally like a lion pouncing on an injured fucking gazelle. How can someone go into an argument like this with no thought process of what their talking about?

"Uh, well, I mean, uhh, noo no no no. That's not what I mean at al-.. I mean.. uhh." This is just pathetic on the couples part. They don't need relationship counseling, they need mental counseling.

Moolg86 · 2015-09-25T01:29:39+00:00

I'm listening to this as I'm typing this out. got the gmail notification when it posted. I can't help but shake my head in dissapointment, and marvel at the mental judo this woman's hamster is capable of.

plenkton · 2015-09-25T06:37:17+00:00

While we do demonize the affair-seeking woman, she is speaking to Molyneux about her desire to sleep with other men.

While we judge her for the damage her actions cause, it's unlikely she has thought beyond her own feelings. Nothing unusual for a female. And while her attempt to rationalize her behaviour 1. suggests she feels guilty AND 2. knows the reason why, <1> is true, but <2> is not.

The reason she is ABLE to discuss this with her husband is a combination of: 1. Her husband's cuckolding fetish. 2. She being vastly higher SMV than him. 3. He's been brainwashed by women's social movements.

To the extent to which <1> is true, the call to Molyneux results from him feigning dislike to keep his cuckolding fetish secret.

To the extent to which <2> is true, she will always be greatly motivated seeking men better than her husband.

To the extent to which <3> is true, he can keep her inline if he learns sexual strategy, and has her comply relative to their respect SMVs.

LoL-Guru · 2015-09-25T14:48:46+00:00

I couldn't finish it...it was so painful to watch them squirm and try to evade questions. Listening to him defend her behavior after saying how it made him feel was sickening, he can't even stand up for his own well being.

DonRP · 2015-09-25T18:12:45+00:00

I feel like I'm going to be downvoted into oblivion here but am I the only one who gets the sense that Stefan Molyneux is a bullshitter of epic proportions?

Sorry guys - I think the people on the other end of that call are at best sourced by Molyneux or at worst the whole thing is staged. He's a quick and convincing talker who makes my bullshit flag go crazy every time I see one of his videos like this.

Don't ever forget that people like him make a lot of money from videos and web traffic. If content doesn't exist for him he has an incentive to create it.

x0diego0x · 2015-09-25T12:54:04+00:00

It would be good for the children just for the fact that she wont leave him if she can fuck whoever she wants. And we all know children grow up better if have dad and mom in home. Having the fuck buddy in the house as a second dad would be awkward as fuck.

Doomblaze · 2015-09-25T09:08:47+00:00

As much as I don't like calling people cucks and betas seriously since most people have some modicum of self respect, theres just no other word for this guy, holy shit. I almost feel bad for him.

Chopin_ · 2015-09-25T10:16:25+00:00

This guy is mentally ill, one or two of his parents must have been full blown narcissists. He has absolutely 0 pride, 0 self-esteem, 0 self-awareness he's an ideal catch for the kind of woman his girfriend is.

On every corner he exhibits scapegoat-like behavior, by doing this he is inviting more narcs to his life that take advandage of him, because this is how he was brought up, this is the only thing he knows to do - how to please others.

It's obvious that he is fundamentally broken I don't even need to point out that when presented n-times with the truth and harsh reality he just crushes, reboots and doesent remember antything except for his prime imperative and purspose(default settings) which is to please his female overlord.

He thinks that the only source of his happiness is his girfriend doing whatever she wants even if it hurts him and their family...

And she is a cold, lying, narcissistic predator bitch... You can see the dynamics very clear. Also she tries to come off as an caring girlfriend that treats her boyfriend as an equal, come on... come onnnnn..... this is pure evil.

I just love how this bitch is trying to get all clever with Stefan "Weeeeelllll... 1.emotional intimacy oooorrrr physical intimacy" and at the beginning he just opens her up by pretending to buy her bullshit ("farm animals", tips the scale to get her comfortable), then when she gets comfortable and he makes her in a way spill the beans(but still with plausible deniability by answering with awkward silence and "withdrawing" statements) he just proceeds to politely exclude her from the conversation and tries to help the poor, obviously mentally ill betafied guy.

burnouttt · 2015-09-25T16:12:23+00:00

never seen this show. how does this start? why would a couple call this guy in the first place? is he a therapist or something?

Mrokthe · 2015-09-25T16:16:38+00:00

I don't get why the guy was defending polyamory so much, he even says in the beginning he refused and is "considering" it. This talk would have been better if Stefan had the girl defend it more. It was hilarious when she said she was considering certain people.

recon_johnny · 2015-09-25T16:20:02+00:00

I just, for the life of me, don't get guys who entertain this shit in their heads for longer than an instant. Why man? Drop the bitch like a bad fucking transmission.

DOCTORxTEETH · 2015-09-25T18:48:12+00:00

Everything this man knows about polyamory came from his girl. He couldn't give one reason it was beneficial for him and only repeated shit homegirl already said. It sounds like he's reading his answers from a some notes he wrote on why getting cucked and letting a guy fuck his wife and play with his kids afterward is okay.

Kaptin_Kiwi · 2015-09-25T19:07:33+00:00

I only made it about 40 minutes into this. It was brutal.

KaldisGoat · 2015-09-27T09:29:01+00:00

At 51:28 it seems like he got to the root of the problem even though it was denied.

I was in a relationship with a girl that wanted this. She started with let's have a threesome (but not with another girl), and I said no. Then she wanted to have sex with other men, because she had only been with me and it was not fair since I had been with other people, and again I said no.

She ended up cheating on me, but I think she was just try to justify cheating in some kind of nonsensical way. Why do women find it so hard to dump a guy they are not satisfied with? Perhaps what attracted her to me originally fizzled out and she was just seeing what she could get out of the relationship before she moved on.

I'm just glad she didn't drop this before we had kids.

DaphneDK · 2015-09-25T08:57:21+00:00

oh man, that Matthew guy calling up need to be neuered. Or perhaps he already is. That was so pathetic it hurt my ears. Of course she wants to have sex with men, he's not a man. He's an enuch.

fundude12 · 2015-09-25T17:24:38+00:00

Stephan was right on point with this issue:

1) Female has a higher SMP than the Male in this situation. He is afraid of her leaving.

2) Female is unable to monkey branch to an alpha for commitment, so we will use the beta for resources (unless she can get an alpha to commit in the future, which is unlikely) while banging alphas.

3) Male with lower SMP instinctively understands this is very bad for him genetically but is trying to rationalize his concerns away due to being a beta simp.

Morale of Story:

DON'T BE A WEAK BETA SIMP THAT GETS OPENLY CUCKHOLDED!

JMaybrick · 2015-09-25T08:27:19+00:00

The fact that she can't properly define the word committed/commitment really should be the wake up call that Beta needs. Having said that, I'm fully aware this isn't the only one, just the one that stands out the most IMO.

Zvesda · 2015-09-25T20:06:09+00:00

When i see this i feel bad, these poor guys really are "in love" and are so ignorant.....

How does someone NOT come to this conclusion, if i was the most beta person ever i would honestly know that some shit is wrong here.

zuk1 · 2015-09-25T05:53:26+00:00

Oh god. I don't know if I can listen to this or not...

gosserbeer · 2015-09-25T12:42:58+00:00

This couple is fucking painful to listen to.

staggerman · 2015-09-25T13:22:11+00:00

Holy shit. This guy just sounds like a pussy.

wiseprogressivethink · 2015-09-25T07:06:12+00:00

Stefan is getting more and more based.

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zuk1 · 2015-09-25T20:04:59+00:00

When he revealed they'd only been dating 4 months my jaw literally dropped. Fuck me what planet is this idiot on? Sony beta max on a DAY-LEE.

Betterthanuatlife · 2015-09-25T20:05:02+00:00

Holy shit this made me cringe... What a fucking loser.

Polaris382 · 2015-09-25T21:21:50+00:00

This is just awful...Im honestly not sure what is worse between that bitch of a woman, and that pathetic cuckold loser Matt. Its so cringeworthy listening to him speak for multiple reasons.

ioncloud9 · 2015-09-25T23:24:22+00:00

I figured it out. Kristine is a ventriloquist and this guy "Matt" is just a puppet.

Tempolop · 2015-09-26T01:16:55+00:00

Am I the only one who yelled at Matt while the video was playing? What in the actual, cognitive dissonant fuck is wrong with this guy?

Pharmakoza · 2015-09-26T01:23:39+00:00

God, what a couple of idiots.

[deleted] · 2015-09-26T02:22:41+00:00

I can't even listen to this, the dude is cringe as all hell

RedOnArrival · 2015-09-26T21:19:00+00:00

honestly, he could have saved about an hour and 15 minutes just by saying, "no, you can't be committed to multiple people because those people will naturally be in competition with each other. what happens when you both want to have sex with her? who does she choose? she has to choose who she's 'more' committed to, and in that moment you find out who she's actually committed to. commitment denotes respect, and if she's more committed to the other guy, the other guy commands more respect and no child will listen to a parent that no one respects, especially if the mother doesn't respect him. enjoy raising kids that don't respect you while your wife bangs some other dude, who by the way is statistically more likely to molest, bail on, and generally neglect those kids. and if the other dude does bail, there's no respect left in the family and no structure which is a recipe for anarchy and a shitty future for those kids. other than that, yes polyamory in a family setting is totally fine."

he had a chance to address this at the end of the video but unfortunately missed the opportunity. if you give kids the choice who to have as a dad, they'll choose the one who commands the most respect from others and especially the mother. the problem is, that choice is not always mutual. men do not have the same bond to other's kids as they do to their own.

MarineLayer · 2015-09-27T13:05:17+00:00

Man, while watching this..all I could think about was what if these two were talking to Patrice O'Neil. He'd have torn their ass a new one, and shown them both how fucked up/unnatural their relationship was.

Patrice: THE ONLY REASON WHY THIS BITCH IS ACTING LIKE THIS IS BECAUSE YOU LEETTT HERR NIGGAA!

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Cthulu2013 · 2015-09-25T07:26:41+00:00

Trolls, she was playing WOW and half listening while Matt gave him shit answers to let him continue rambling on.

I'll stick to my Conquer poster and the pretty girls texting me at 10pm

zuk1 · 2015-09-25T05:54:00+00:00

Oh god. I don't know if I can listen to this or not...

Title	Stefan Molyneux talks to an insufferable beta and his hypergamous girlfriend who wants to be able to fuck other men.
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Date	September 25, 2015 1:09 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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