Apparently some 4chan user came to the exact same conclusions as Neil Strauss.

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More importantly, what the guy wrote isn't even his- it's taken from other sources, guaranteed. This is one of the bad parts about seddit getting bigger- stupid crap like this gets upvoted because so many people either haven't read through the sidebar and/or haven't read anything beyond The Game. Everything the guy said has been said multiple times before. Go to one of the bigger forums like rsdnation and you'll probably see the exact same shit posted there somewhere.

Edit: Like this post made on an MMORPG site in 2010

Before you do anything, build up some self-confidence. If you're new to interacting with the opposite sex, get ready to face rejection. It's something that everyone goes through at first, but it helps build confidence if taken the right way.

A lot of women (if not all) don't like a guy who's nervous and jittery the whole damn date.

Tip 1 : Don't be sexually judgmental. A women's worst fear is to be viewed as "easy"

Tip 2 : Don't get angry at her if she does something stupid. Women know they have emotional outbursts and they need to know that you can handle that.

Tip 3 : Don't let her control you etc in any way. She will lose all respect for you.

Tip 4 : Don't try to impress her, ie showing off. As soon as she see's that you're trying to prove yourself, she'll lose all interest.

Tip 5 : Don't ignore her friends. A woman values her friends opinions more than just about anything else in the world. Nothing matters to her more than what other women are thinking.

Tip 6 : To get your woman attracted, you've gotta mix up those feelings. Don't just make her feel good. Make her feel good, sad, angry, connected, astonished, intrigued etc. Make her laugh.

Tip 7 : As she gets more emotional, she'll probably try to ruin things by throwing in logic. She'll ask you questions, sure, but don't take it seriously and give some logical answer.

Tip 8 : She will start asking you lots of questions. This what women will do when they suddenly find themselves attracted to a guy they know nothing about. This is a chance to open up a little and find out more about her and build a deeper connection.

Tip 9 : Keep your woman always swinging somewhere in between validated and rejected. If she feels rejected, she drops out or gets REALLY MAD. And if she feels to validated, she'll wave goodbye in a heartbeat. So push her away (emotionally) and then pull her back in.

Tip 10 : Move her to different locations. Take her next door to hangout. Take her to a gallery to check out some art. The more locations the better.

One more thing : Many guys make the mistake of listening to a woman's romantic advice. Don't listen to them; they don't know what they're talking about, and they will steer you wrong. They tell you what they think they want instead of they they actually respond to.

Now go out and get yourself a girlfriend mtherfucer!

Maybe it's the same guy. Or maybe it's not. I just put quotes around some of the words and googled it.

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Exactly. What I was trying to say though (probably not too well) is that you can find literally hundreds of similar posts that say the same things. It's great that a lot of people experienced it now, but that also tells me that a lot of people haven't read through the sidebar or even through some of the top posts (why wouldn't you do that?). We mentioned that you should read through the sidebar before posting random shit, and as a regular guy, I can totally understand if people just ignore that- but as a mod who tries to uphold the subreddit, I take offense to the fact that all these people obviously haven't looked through shit themselves.

I deplore anyone- give me one of the points that's made in the OP, and see if I can't find at least a few things in the sidebar that say the exact same shit. If I can't find anything, I'll paypal you 5 bucks. If I can find anything, then you pay me. Or we agree not to bet on shit like that, but also agree that the basics tend to remain the same. The things in this post are pretty damn basic. The first point is not to slut-shame girls. If people don't know about that concept, that's fine, but it also means they're fuckin ignorant and haven't taken the time to look through the shit that's already here.

Not only that, but you'll also find plenty of posts that are almost identical to this 4chan post. You'll find plenty of them on seddit, and plenty in other places across the internet. If you choose not to search for that shit, I won't judge anyone for that. The only thing I take issue with is some of the arguments that have been made in this thread. Some arguments seem to say this is the first time this shit has been posted. Other arguments seem to say this shit is completely misogynistic. The truth is in between both of those, but from what I've seen in the comments, a lot of people have no idea what's going on and are just responding emotionally to the post.

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Once you get going, you can probably get 30-50% (edit: of women you actually want, not of all women. This could probably skyrocket if you have very low standards). The guys' probably just ignoring all the ones that didn't bite, but you can bring a girl home every night if you were to go all out. And going all-out isn't actually that difficult once you get used to "rejection", which is really nothing more than a fee taken from your limitless fund called "Ego".

As some guys point out (Tyler Durden, for example), when you start out you will get sympathy. They will be like "aw, this guy is trying!" and be flattered. then you will start to get some legs and they will start being mean. Then, the final stage is where you actually know what you are doing and you will get positive reactions once again. Weird cycle: positive, negative, positive. And by the time you reach the 3rd stage, you just don't really care how mean they are to you because its' never really that bad and you've likely dealt with worse by that time.

Hell, I've dealt with far worse while in relationships than I have ever, EVER dealt with from a random woman. Keep that in mind.

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He's in the airforce and he's someone as a man you would want as your friend. But reaction to women is pretty much the exact same as the screen. And the hotter the girl, the crazier they are. I don't think he actually dates that often, so I shouldn't say it like its routine. The girl he dated was a tab bit psycho and I imagine he said he'd go out with her to get her to stop asking about it. When they broke-up, that night he got no less than 100 texts on his phone without any answer form him.

The whole point of the post is women don't know what they want. If you follow that line of thinking, on his part it's not hypocrisy. He never had any expectation of been monogamous, and as the good looking and unstable girl she was, she probably wasn't either. Some people in our society are beginning enter this gray area where for a good portion of their life, there's no point in dating but its still expected of them. The post keeps talking about a woman's "friends". The second her friends find out she slept with a guy she didn't date, even if their in a bullshit relationship themselves they are going to go into total bitch mode.

Edit: I should say, in this post, you either agree with it or you don't. Obviously most men wouldn't agree with this post, but that kind of goes without saying. I'd like to see someone argue on a philosophical standpoint without "the OP is a douchebag" as a sticking point, or "this is why he's a douche". I'd be interested to see "well here's where my experiences contradict those and why", without just mentioning you're in a happy relationship right now.

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I have come to the conclusion that hot women are one of the most useless demographics to a society, other than sex. How does one develop their personality? By overcome adversity, building character through solving your own problems, actually working! What do attractive women have to work at? Just get the skill of manipulation down and you can get all your problems whisked away (or is it wisped away?).

Essentially, using their orbiters, they have the least personal development of anybody. Of the very attractive women I've met, almost every one has been either like a child in maturity, or seriously crazy. That's it. There's maybe a 1% chance of them being an actual catch.

This leads to us. I've found that after a while learning the material and getting it down, I have a sort of addictive property to women. Once I've got attraction, they stay attracted and have sometimes gone to crazy lengths in an attempt to get me. I like to think it's because I'm the 1% of guys thanks to learning the material.. or maybe I'm the human equivalent of crack to a very specific group of women. Who knows.

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Anonymity It's a numbers game. If you're in a big city, it's much less likely that the guy at the front desk is going to have any clue who you and some random woman are. If you're in a small town? Well, it turns out that the front desk guy is the cousin of Billy Blibbidy Bob who is friends with Sally Mae's husband who now knows his wife was in a random hotel with you. Now she's a cheating whore and the whole town knows.

This is close, but oh so slightly off. She doesn't care about the guy at the front desk, because she knows that Man Code dictates that he won't rat you out. Who she cares about is the maid, who goes to her church and everyone in town will know she's a cheating whore because bitches hate sluts and will rat them out at the drop of a hat. This is why you isolate her from her friends before making it sexual.

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Listen men:

If you want the kind of woman that this guy is talking about than yes. This will work.

If you actually want someone with a hint of self-respect and intelligence this is not going to work. Sorry. No wonder he can't find a "decent woman" to settle down with.

Me: woman, 25, NEVER cheated - I get slightly uncomfortable hugging male friends. I'm not perfect but I'm not completely bat-shit unreasonable.

You know why 22 year old women are having more sex that 22 year old men? 100% success rates. Women are picky men.... only if you're puggly and even then you have better shots than every man in the bar.

Can I introduce you fine 'gents to an actual completely illogical social phenomenon I noticed in my female college age peers:

THE NUMBERS RULE This basically means if you sleep with a girl once she will be welcome to sleeping with you multiple times (unless you were absolutly terrible).

Women are not worried about having "too" much sex but rather having "too many" partners. No one wants to be the first to go into double digits or be the first to hit 20 and then so on.

They don't want to stop having sex because sex is awesome but they don't want to be perceived as sluts by their peers so they rationalize this by keeping the number of men they have slept with low and the number of sexual incidences with each man high.

Women are also open to fuck buddies, they just avoid flings because then its a number increase for just one incident making it less worthwhile.

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^oh how about this (2 weeks ago) new picture + a tan due to track biking & i'm 6'4" 198lb's built like a biker. That other picture is 3 months old.

As for friends the ones i have and go out with are cool guys, one of them got me into PUA the rest are in LRT's. the problem with all these guys is that they got stuck in the trap of the 20's, the imma chill trap. They stopped going to school and they have $15/hour jobs with no motivation to reach the top. I'm just looking for people who are motivated when it comes to success. I love the PUA community because ever since I've gotten into it I've made self improvement my life. My only time waste is reddit, i spend most of my days reading (philosophy, non-fiction, or PUA material), working out, biking and interacting with as many random people as i can. Everything i do now is geared towards self improvement.

Books for the mind (right now A Briefer History of Time) working out/eating super healthy for the body PUA reading material and practicing for the social skills improvement And when school starts up i will live and breathe the campus to maintain a high GPA for the monies.

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I live in reno nevada; it's a shitty place and girls value themselves way to much (old mining culture ratio men to women ect ect). You have to start gaming casually like in a nonchalant i want nothing from you manner, use a lot of negs and make sure your perceived value is extremely high (the norm). Even game other chicks then come back to the primary target and ask for advice or something along that line, when you do game other chicks make sure they are hotter. Normally something you have to game over a period of time, I've found classmates with BF's the easiest of all targets. Because when you want to study in a serious manner (study groups ect), and you make your "we're only here to study" intention obvious but then subtly game it, it all falls into place. Same thing with girls at work.

Oh you know they want you when you comment on "this would look better this way," and they THEY ACTUALLY TAKE THAT PIECE OF ADVICE.

I only get with girls with BF's to do a public service for my fellow man & idk it's fun, sometimes for lulz I'll contact the BF buy him a beer and tell him what happened. Then for additional lulz (this has happened twice i now have two really good friends) both of us invites the girl to a party she comes with either or BUT GUESS WHO'S THE NEW BEST BUDDY CAPLOW ma-ma-ma-mmonster kill!! I know it sounds evil but putting people who cheat in their place just feels good.

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I wasn't a sexist before I understood women. There was a time when I was blissfully ignorant. I grew up watching Disney cartons, I believed in romance and "true love conquers all" etc. I wanted to find a woman who could be my equal, my partner. I believed in finding that one true love and being committed to each other forever. You know, like in the marriage vows, "for better or for worse, through sickness and in health, for richer or for poorer" etc. And I believed that women basically wanted the same thing. Now I understand that this was only possible when society was structured to enforce it. Now that women are "liberated" (and thus at the mercy of their own emotions and baser instincts) this is mostly no longer possible in today's society. Victorian society, or many Arab societies are examples of how society used to be structured to keep women as faithful as possible.

I'd like to point out that I am not a misogynist...I love women. But I AM a sexist, in the sense that I believe women are vastly different than men and, according to the standards that men hold for other men, women are inferior as well.

I must be a bitter loser, right? In fact, I enjoy more success with women than most of the men in this city. I have slept with over 200 women in my life. I am sleeping with 5 different women right now. They are all normal, healthy, well-adjusted, good-looking (8+ on the looks scale) professional women. (At least as normal and healthy and well-adjusted as women can be - most women have issues.) But that's not all. I can go out any night of the week and pick up a woman. I can pick her up in front of all her friends (with 80% efficiency for each approach.) Women will slip me their phone number when their boyfriend is in the bathroom. I can talk to women on the street or in the grocery store and within 30 minutes, I can usually have sex with them right there in my car or get them back to my place. If I have to settle for a phone number, and I meet her on another day, assuming she doesn't flake, I WILL fuck her that next day.

Let me point out right now that my Modus Operandi doesn't change in the slightest if she single or if she has a boyfriend or husband. I just do my normal routine and I fucker her. Sometimes she brings up the boyfriend so she won't feel guilty when I fuck her because now it's "my fault." Sometimes she hides it from me until after I've fucked her, then she admits it. I can't tell you how many times I've been laying next to some chick, all sweaty cause I just finished busting a nut all over her face or in her mouth or on her back, and suddenly her phone rings and she's on the phone with her man, giving him some bullshit story. This is with NO GUILT WHATSOEVER!!! The sweetest most innocent girls you ever laid eyes upon, will cheat at the drop of a HAT. The one thing that most men value most - loyalty - is just not there with women. Women don't think in terms of honor, women don't say "word is bond;" women are basically emotionally driven. If they feel it, they do it, period. Then they rationalize it to themselves later. Nothing is more meaningful, or compelling, to a woman than (1) the way she feels and (2) learning more about her inner self and having emotional realizations. That's why women love astrology, chick flicks, soap operas, stupid Cosmo quizes that supposedly reveal info about yourself, etc.

I must be really good looking, right? NOPE. My looks are marginal; I'm maybe a 7. I don't work out (though I'm not fat or anything.) In fact I didn't have any success with women until I was in my early 20's. That's when I decided to go out a lot and start trying to get laid... I was willing to face rejection a thousand times a night, and do it over and over, trying everything, until I got it right. I had to completely set my ego aside. I didn't get laid at all for the first few months. Then every now and then. Then pretty often. Then downright consistently! I'm in my early 30's now and I am basically a sexual god. I wouldn't have even believed this were possible when I was in high school. The ONLY factor that determined whether a woman would cheat was my own skill level. When my skills were poor, women shit all over me. (Everyone knows how women think they have license to be rude bitches in social situations... in fact I understand and appreciate that behavior now.) But once my skills got good, I could fuck just about anyone's wife or girlfriend. And many times I didn't know they had a man until after I fucked them.

Look, I'm not saying that men are perfect, or whatever. Far from it. I'm just saying, I've spent a lot of my time studying women and interacting with them, and I know how they are. In fact, sometimes I hate knowing it. Sometimes I wish I had taken the blue pill, and never went down the rabbit hole, because now there's really no going back. I didn't want to believe these things... but how could I ever get married now? How could I ever be the chump who pays for everything and blissfully goes through life not worrying about his woman because he trusts her? Look, would you leave your dog alone with a steak? You can't hate the dog for doing what's in its nature. You can't trust a dog, BUT you can trust a dog to BE a dog. Some men are disloyal... but I could *never* trust a woman to be loyal. Some men are bad presidents...but I could *never* vote for a woman to be president. I can rarely expect a woman to regard her own promises as more important and compelling to her than the emotions she feels in the moment. She will rationalize it to herself later.

Here's an interesting fact. Did you know that the median 22 year old woman has TWICE as much sex as the median 22 year old man? You might ask, how is that possible? If a woman's having sex, doesn't that mean a man is having sex at the same time? And thus, shouldn't men be having just as much sex as women? NO...because most men hardly get laid, or if they do, it's because they "got lucky." But a small group of men get laid ALL THE TIME, and fuck LOTS AND LOTS of women! It's evolution at work. Women follow their emotions, and that leads them to sleep with men like me (who know how to control female emotions.) Women want the top man...so the top man fucks lots of women. That's right - the sexual revolution, feminism, etc has resulted in a return to harems. Women, at the mercy of their own emotions are volunteering for the modern-day equivalent of harems Lucky for me!! Heh.

You might say, "But...but...I'm so nice! I'm a nice guy!" Guess what? That's like a fat chick saying, "But I'm so smart!" As if those things have anything in the world to do with sexual attraction!

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I'm going to give some tips here for the poor sucker guys who are posting online trying to get laid and who are spending hundreds/thousands of dollars on all those whores out there without getting any play. (You bitches know exactly what you're doing, and I"m on to your game!)

Don't be sexually judgemental in any way. A woman's worst fear is to be perceived as a slut. She will suck your toes and take it in the ass if she thinks you don't view her poorly for it (and she knows her friends won't find out.)
Don't get angry at her. Women know they have emotional outbursts and they need to trust that you can handle that. It's ok (and necessary) to occasionally put your foot down...just make sure she knows you are fully in control of yourself.
Don't let her manipulate you or control you in any way. She will immediately lose all respect for you. Always be leading. It's just like dancing - women hate a man who can't lead.
When first approaching a woman or group, they tend to get a feeling like this is just your little scheme to get close to them, when you really just want something from them - like sex. (And they're right.) It's important to structure your body language and conversation so that they honestly don't believe you want something from them. They should feel like you are about to leave at any second.
DON'T TRY TO IMPRESS HER IN ANY WAY. Don't show of. Don't talk about accomplishments or possessions. As soon as she perceives that you are trying to prove yourself to her, she loses all interest.
Don't ignore her friends. A woman values her friend's opinions more than just about anything else in the world. Nothing matters to her more than what other women are thinking. Give her friends lots of attention and get everyone laughing. If one woman is feeling different than the others, she will drag them away. They will follow like a flock of pigeons. Society is the book of women. (Notice that men do NOT behave this way! Women are very different!)
To get a woman attracted/emotionally vulnerable, give her lots of emotions and feelings. Don't just make her feel good. Make her feel good, and angry, and sad, and connected, and astonished, and intrigued, etc. Make her laugh. Tease here. Tell stories about your sick puppy. Tell her why things would never work out between the two of you. Call her a dork. If she gets heated up, she will start touching you...playfully push her away. If she calls you a jerk and punches your arm, you are doing it right. If she gives you that "I can't believe you just said that" look, do NOT back down, do not say "Oh I'm just kidding" or anything like that.
As she gets more emotional, she will try to ruin things by throwing in logic. She will ask if you are a player, or if you say this to all the girls, or whatever. The trick is this: Don't take it seriously by giving it some logical answer! That's rigth...women lose interest if you take them seriously!!! It's crazy but that's how they behave. Just blow it off or misinterpret what she's saying as though she is coming on to you. If you fail these tests, she will be gone so fast your head will spin.
She will start asking you lots of questions. This is what chicks do when they suddenly find themselves attracted to a man they know noting about. This is your chance to open up a little and also find out more about her and build a deeper connection. You have to do this, or she will flake later (even if you've kissed her!) Women are the worst flakes in the world! Don't make it too easy for her, make her work for it a bit. Then talk about connections and childhood memories and things you have in common, etc. She needs to feel that this is genuine. This is usually the time when I throw in a few fake vulnerabilities, like pretending I'm shy or insecure about something. I know it's fucked up but women need to see that there are at least a few small holes where they can sink their hooks in you. They get uneasy if you are too perfect.
Make sure she gets the feeling that you have standards and that you are judging her based on them. Ask her questions that show her you are checking her out to see if she is up to snuff. Women don't like to feel like you are with them only because you can't do any better. They prefer to feel like you have high standards; you can get any chick you want, but you chose HER because she is SOOOO special and SOOO different from all the others. Yeah, I know.
Move her to different locations. Take her next door for a drink. TAke her across the street to check out some art. The more locations the better.
Take responsibility for every escalation. A woman will do just about anything as long as she doesn't have to feel like it was "her fault." Make it YOUR fault. Make it "just happen." She will rationalize it to herself later using the same bullshit generator that women use to flake out on dates at the last minute. Don't get her horny until you get her isolated. Believe me, emotional is better than horny.
Keep the woman always swinging somewhere between validation and rejection. If she feels rejected, she drops out or gets REALLY MAD. And if she feels too validated, she will ditch you in a heartbeat. So push her away (emotionally) and then pull her back in.
BELIEVE YOUR OWN BULLSHIT. Chicks do not look at your excuses and try to see if they are bullshit or not... because that is the logical thing to do, and chicks are not logical. Rather, what they do is see if YOU seem to believe your own bullshit when you say it. If you look like you do, then chances are, they will believe it too. So the key is to believe your own bullshit, and other aspects about yourself that you want the chick to believe about you too (alpha male..whatever)... because your own self beliefs for some reason will automatically 'impart' to the chick!
One more thing...many guys make the mistake of listening to female romantic advice. Don't listen to them, THEY DON'T KNOW WTF THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT, and they WILL steer you wrong. They will tell you what they THINK they want, instead of what they actually RESPOND to. And furthermore, a large part of the female sexual experience IS the inability to admit theses things BECAUSE they derive sexual pleasure from putting up resistance and being overwhelmed.

If you do things this way, after a few months of practice you WILL get laid like a rock star. The guys who get laid are the ones who know what they are doing, because they have practiced on lots of women. Ironically, women are most attracted to the men who are most likely to fuck them and then dump them on their ass - because those are precisely the men who have so many other options because they practice on lots of women. That's why you always hear women bitching about how men are assholes that only want to fuck them and dump them - because those are the men that they gravitate to.e they practice on lots of women. That's why you always hear women bitching about how men are assholes that only want to fuck them and dump them - because those are the men that they gravitate to.

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Is this what you guys really believe? Because that reads like some frustrated jerk happening on a bunch of women with daddy issues and taking advantage of them by being emotionally manipulative and abusive.

What it is, is someone dumbing down the material so it can be understood by the unwilling. Perhaps they'll investigate and get to the good stuff, but this advice will get their self-confidence kick-started. It's the truth about women, as hard as that may be to admit to yourself.

Which I guess works for one night stands.

And how would you know?

But geez, guys. Have some respect.

Interestingly enough, the PUA community generally has more true respect for women than most men do. They're just better at sifting through the chaff and letting the detritus fall away so they can find a woman that they actually like. Maybe if you had some respect, you'd recognize that it's not a woman's fault that she likes to have sex. And so what if she does anyway, don't you enjoy it?

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The boaster is probably full of shit anyway. (=He's probably lying about his accomplishments)

written by a very well known PUA (=No he's not lying because he's a well-known PUA)

Ross Jeffries is one. How much do you think he's gotten laid with "healthy" 9's and 10's though? (=Someone being a well-known PUA does not guarantee that he's as successful as he claims)

And Ross Jeffries is a real person.

So what?

I was merely commenting on the post of "I bet this person is lying or full of shit", trying to valid the existence of this person.

How does it make sense to talk about his existence when I'm talking about whether he's being honest about his accomplishments?

You just said he is probably full of shit. I was pointing out that he is probably not.

How can you equate talking about his existence to talking about whether he's honest or not?

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Whoever originally wrote this (though I doubt anyone "originally" wrote any of this) was probably speaking the truth. Whoever originally came up with it was saying what he felt (unless it's purely just a culmination of other shit- which it might be). The basic point I was trying to make above is that all of these points have been thoroughly detailed before. Also, this guy wasn't the first guy to combine them all into a certain "method."

Everything the guy said (whether or not this guy is lying or whatever) is pretty true- at least, it's generally a pretty good structure to work from in general. The guy in this post claimed to have an 80% success rate, and that's obviously false, but that doesn't negate the other points he made. IMO, pretty much every other point he made is a legitimate point (that gets made here every other fuckin day), but most people seem to ignore most of the shit that's already here.

I don't doubt a guy like this, and I myself am a guy who prescribes to most of the points this guy made- the only thing I doubt is his success, but it depends on his definition of "success." I also don't like the fact that he's a misogynist, because I think you can have plenty of success, using the same shit he talked about, without being a misogynist.

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Title	Apparently some 4chan user came to the exact same conclusions as Neil Strauss.
Author	[deleted]
Upvotes	375
Comments	240
Date	January 12, 2012 2:59 AM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/seduction
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/odcqb/apparently_some_4chan_user_came_to_the_exact_same/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/seduction/apparently-some-4chan-user-came-to-the-exact-same.1326905 https://theredarchive.com/post/1326905

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