Women's rights activist vs feminist

typhonblue · 2011-12-18T22:23:52+00:00

Ayaan Hirsi Ali is, apparently, as passionately against the routine circumcision of boys as female genital mutilation.

Yay for consistency!

ManderPants · 2011-12-19T00:01:06+00:00

I just wanted to poke in and say Ayaan is an amazing woman and with incredible story to tell. I read her book Infidel for a class and she truly is about women's rights (human rights, really) and had the strength to speak out against her previous faith.

filo4000 · 2011-12-19T01:43:27+00:00

Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a self described feminist: "[Ali] described herself as a "dissident of Islam"... [Ali] put forward the deeply contentious idea that Islam was simply incompatible with modernity and feminism.

Scott2508 · 2011-12-18T22:37:20+00:00

you know , I actually like that term , "womens rights activist" someone who is consistent and who actually is realistic and fair, heh i actually know a few "feminists" who would fall under that category more than the other.

xteve · 2011-12-19T02:43:23+00:00

I think that if Rebecca Watson represents feminism the movement has gone terribly wrong.

cynwrig · 2011-12-18T22:59:30+00:00

Kind of reminds me of that comparison between Christians in places like Afghanistan where you can be killed for praying vs those in America that think "war" has been declared on Christmas by saying "Happy Holidays"

LocalMadman · 2011-12-19T03:47:59+00:00

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del_preston · 2011-12-18T23:52:32+00:00

Why do I have the feeling that Richard Dawkins would never take issue with Ayaan Hirsi Ali? Oh, yeah, 'cause he's not an idiot.

cherryskull · 2011-12-19T02:28:12+00:00

I am both a MRA and a WRA at once, I do not believe in the abuse of either sex - I find however the "feminists" are the ones who blatantly cause more problems for the sexes than ANY other group, the worst part about it, the "good" feminists do not kick the idiots into line, hence the term is sullied by total morons - Ayaan is amazing, very strong lady and knows what she is fighting for, rather than "wahhh, porn is bad, BAD PORN BAD, ALL MEN ARE RAPISTS" - she's actually going after serious issues like the mutilation of genitals both of MALE and FEMALE children, she is fighting in areas which are so far in the basket case they need people like her to try and get some logic into the minds of people. Good on her, upvotes for amazing WRAs.

NotYouPal · 2011-12-19T01:56:26+00:00

To paraphrase another commenter elsewhere in this discussion: Did you just make the argument that, since worse things are happening somewhere else, we have no right to try to fix things closer to home? By that argument, you shouldn't complain about feminists, since elsewhere male children are being forced into being soldiers while their mothers and sisters are raped and killed. It's nonsense.

I looked up Rebecca Watson and found what you were referring to. I found her complaint reasonable. She didn't like being propositioned - not in general but: 1) when alone in an elevator in a hotel in a foreign country 2) by a stranger that she had never spoken with before 3) at 4 in the morning. 4) Especially since she had just stood on a stage and said "Please don't hit on me. I'm not interested."

I'm a 5'11, 230 pound white male who has never been really afraid, but even I can see that this was not appropriate. And that's all she said: "It's not appropriate. It's kind of creepy." She didn't call for his head. She didn't say he should be arrested. She just asked for a little more discretion.

ForMensRights · 2011-12-18T19:55:27+00:00

I laughed. She's even doing that thing a lot of girls do when they take pictures of themselves where they take that 'top-down' camera shot to make sure the cleavage/'down blouse' gets into the view with them. There's an actual name for that but I forgot it.

douglasmacarthur · 2011-12-18T23:37:51+00:00

The right should be "makes jokes about raping and castrating of males, believes assault against them should be legal."

arguecat3 · 2011-12-19T03:52:07+00:00

It is a bit refreshing that you guys decided to point out the difference between women's rights activists and feminists. It makes me happy to know that not all of you brand all females who fight for equality should be branded as something detrimental to a fair and balanced society (feminist).

2011-12-24T00:37:16+00:00

Ayaan Hirsi Ali is one of the most famous feminists of our time. She readily identifies herself as such. You don't really think you can praise her while divorcing her from the movement she so strongly identifies with, do you?

Oh, of course you do. Because if you can't simply ignore all the good, admirable feminists out there, you can at least rewrite their bios and remove every mention of the world feminist or feminism to keep with this narrative that all feminists are bad and have no legitimate cause.

Aerowynn · 2011-12-19T02:15:00+00:00

I am a woman who hates feminists. This more or less sums up why (though I'm not sure about Watson as an example, but only because I'm unfamiliar with her work).

I have no issue with women's rights activists - the true ones. It's a fact of the world that there are still a number of cultures that treat women as second class citizens, and it's one thing to campaign for equality (more power to you!), but it's another entirely to expect superior treatment. Most self-proclaimed feminists are actually misandrists. They claim that it's so hard being a woman, constantly being objectified or approached inappropriately. This is not a solely female experience! I have personally witnessed creepy middle aged women making lewd propositions at unwilling younger guys on numerous occasions, but you don't see guys running around crying about how 'all older women want me for is my cock'! Unwarranted advances are a two way street.

I just wish some 'feminists' realized that blaming all men for the inappropriate behavior of some makes them just as baselessly biased as the men they protest about.

Indon_Dasani · 2011-12-19T12:37:00+00:00

So a woman's rights activist is a feminist who gets respect.

Which means, a feminist for a society that isn't ours - because people trying to change society are rarely well-received until after they have succeeded.

Scott2508 · 2011-12-18T22:49:49+00:00

the only red flag is the sweden bit .

2011-12-19T15:40:11+00:00

Wherein Men's Right's Activists don't know what the fuck they are talking about. Again.

venereveritas · 2011-12-19T00:43:11+00:00

I'm glad this was posted. I often felt that people (usually fellow women) tend to put both in the same category, but seeing all these positive remarks about the difference puts a smile on my face.

notfeminism · 2011-12-19T21:29:48+00:00

Rebecca Watson does not represent feminism.

BlueStreak22 · 2011-12-19T07:05:59+00:00

You know the person who created the image is English when the word "lift" is used.

ASubhumanMale · 2011-12-18T22:49:09+00:00

Fantastic.

againstmensrights · 2011-12-19T02:37:39+00:00

You guys realize that "feminism" and women's rights" are synonymous, right? You can't just invent false distinctions and expect them to make sense in the real world.

Oh right . . . that's exactly what you do.

XFDRaven · 2011-12-18T21:56:57+00:00

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arstin · 2011-12-19T08:58:03+00:00

I agree that it's an important distinction, but if those are the names you are going to go with, then a good chuck of what goes on here needs to move to r/Masculinism. Would be a great thing for both communities.

A_Nihilist · 2011-12-18T19:49:38+00:00

Then what, pray tell OP, are you?

barbadosslim · 2011-12-18T23:03:10+00:00

hahaha you guys stuck on that elevator thing

AlreadyGone45 · 2012-02-10T17:32:36+00:00

hirsi ali jumped on the hate islam bandwagon. there are a lot of inconsistencies in her story.

leave Islam
make claims without proof
write book
profit

no ?? needed

Hypersapien · 2011-12-19T06:29:00+00:00

I'd replace Watson with a self-proclaimed "feminist" who is actually a threat to sexual equality.

ManderPants · 2011-12-19T00:02:53+00:00

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ordinaryrendition · 2011-12-19T00:34:56+00:00

In this picture, Ali looks like a relative of Denzel Washington. And that's a great thing.

Title	Women's rights activist vs feminist
Author	A_Nihilist
Upvotes	718
Comments	244
Date	December 18, 2011 7:48 PM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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