Is the male equivalent of AF/BB, wifey material (AF) vs a casual partner (BB)?

xQueen-Bx · 2021-10-30T21:18:34+00:00

madonna/whore

Gaddammitkyle · 2021-10-31T06:34:01+00:00

Men are not entitled to sex. Women are not entitled to marriage.

-Giga- · 2021-10-30T21:41:14+00:00

Lol no.

Beta bucks would be the forever girlfriends that get conned into these roles thinking they will be a wife only for the dude to end 8, 10, 15 year relationships and marry someone they met 3-6 months ago.

These men use manipulative tactics that tragic pick mes try to find comfort in only to be made a fool of. Women will love hard and defend any stupid shit these dudes tell them only to get humiliated.

Tactics like "why does a piece of paper matter" or "women always want to pressure xyz let me take the lead"

Meanwhile said man is getting his skidmarks washed, fucked, fed, cared for when ill, endless support system and these days half the rent or mortgage at that until his epiphany with some rando new chick who he is surely with bc of personality.

It's an extremely common scam. It's why that meme on Tik Tok about not doing a wife's job on a girlfriend salary has been going around

superlurkage · 2021-10-30T23:22:17+00:00

Duh. The hoe and the housewife/the Madonna and the whore are way older than the red pill

Flightlessbirbz · 2021-10-31T00:18:49+00:00

It’s not the same, but it is a type of dual mating strategy. Madonna/whore complex. However, sometimes being the “Madonna” figure is more like being the BB if he sees you as a mommy to cook and clean for him while he’s out fucking other women he finds more sexually exciting. Basically, you do not want to be either. You do not want a man with a strong Madonna/whore complex, period.

CloudBerryFizzy · 2021-10-30T20:58:57+00:00

Of course. Men want to bang as many sluts as they can and then marry the nice virgin girl next door. It is exactly the same.

PMmeareasontolive · 2021-10-30T22:24:14+00:00

I've only had casual a few times, but the reason it was never repeated is that it wasn't worth repeating. If the sex had been good, that is rare enough that once would not be enough. That is; sex itself is rare enough and good sex even rarer, why would you not want that again?

I'm not saying it was terrible. But that's why a ONS doesn't become more than that. It's a compatibility issue I guess?

edit: this doesn't apply, I suppose, for men who have casual sex effortlessly, but what percentage of men is that?

Laytheblameonluck · 2021-10-31T06:10:46+00:00

As the women here love to say, men will stick their dick in anything

That's not really true though I don't think.

It seems to be based of a survey done in the 80s where University students were approached for sex, most women said no, most men said yes, however I recall the survey repeated, oddly enough in a northern europe, and more women said yes.

So, what they didn't control for was the SMV of the interviewer.

Anyway, a lot of guys do pass on having sex with women of low SMV.

Surely that's understood.

Fudstersecured · 2021-10-30T21:08:55+00:00

Absolutely, men will put more effort in and do things for women that they see as wife material that they wouldn’t consider with other women. I see this in myself right now. The woman I’m seeing is really unique and personable. She brings out the wifey treatment from me.

ilovepetya · 2021-10-31T01:27:49+00:00

So now the women on this sub have gone from vehemently denying that AFBB even exists, insisting it is merely a figment of our imaginations, to boldly admitting that "men do the same anyways!"

Perfect, and nice goalpost shifting lmao

flapperfemmefatale · 2021-10-30T21:23:49+00:00

I can't tell if you're serious. Why wouldn't the wife be "beta" when a husband is?

tiposk · 2021-10-30T21:44:06+00:00

Yes, it's the same shit rationalized differently by gender. Both men and women who have casual sex with no intention of commitment do so with people that are lacking the necessary qualities for a deeper connection.

wtknight · 2021-10-30T22:18:47+00:00

As such, women with "wifey material" qualities are seen as more valuable, respectable, and desirable than those without.

No, not necessarily. If the man is in a stage of life where he would rather have fun with promiscuous women, the hypothetical "wifey material" woman will likely be less valuable and desirable because she'll likely make him wait longer for sex.

Female dating strategy (in general, not the sub) involves making a high value man commit to her, because women realize that men operate from a "life stages" perspective when it comes to sex. She needs to find a way to get the high value man to arrive at the life stage where he would like to commit, and there are three ways to do this. The first is to entice him by trying to be as good of "wife material" as possible (this is RPW strategy). The second is only rewarding men who play by her hardcore unbreakable rules (this is FDS strategy). And the third is to just wait and be patient to find a man who is finally ready to settle down (this is the typical strategy these days).

It's up to an individual man to decide when he wants to settle down. Men are ultimately the gatekeepers of relationships if they are attractive enough to actually sexually attract women. Depending upon what a man wants, either the wife material or the casual partner is more valuable, which is why AF/BB doesn't work as a framework for men. It's better to characterize how men look at women in terms of categorizing them as either "madonnas" or "whores", but not all men look at things this simplistically, and most men these days don't care what their partner's N count is as long as he doesn't perceive it as significantly higher than his own.

jbo99 · 2021-10-30T21:04:03+00:00

100% although I don’t think guys really develop emotional feelings for the casual partner but do for the wife material girl. I think women can develop emotional feelings for both types of guys

amwfhunter · 2021-10-31T14:07:40+00:00

Sort of. But now I think all girls are casual partners.

PerceptionTasty1495 · 2021-10-31T17:39:55+00:00

Nah the male equivalent is sleeping with an escort (AF) and settling for his wife (BB). Most men don't do this, however. For both men and women, the AF is someone who is way out of their league who would never date them. The BB is the person who is their market equivalent that they can get commitment from.

Dukhaville · 2021-10-31T19:45:50+00:00

Men have much higher beauty standards for a LTR than a casual hook-up.

Women have lower beauty standards for a LTR than a casual hook-up because "other things are more important" [$€£ and/or having a self-esteem low enough to be monogamous].

chilikettlechips · 2021-10-30T21:51:57+00:00

Fuckable/datable.

Expensive-Guitar3609 · 2021-10-31T09:06:23+00:00

Any woman that says she wouldn't marry her "fuckboy" given the chance, is lying, as any man claiming he would marry a slut.

The first to protect her ego. The former to get his dick wet.

The problem with this (false) equivalence is that women can't keep their first options around, while for men their wives are, without any doubt, their first options.

This is because even when men would stick their dicks everywhere, when it comes to choosing somebody to get married, men are ten times (and may be more) consequential than women.

No fucking man EVER has said "weeeeell I think I'm going to propose her because she's a nice girl, she can provide for our family and I want kids and a white picket fence".

For men, marriage is serious shit. We know what is at play, we know what we lose, we know what MARRIAGE means, so we go for the full package or nothing, and if a woman doesn't fit our idea of a perfect partner WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET MARRIED.

That's why women want the ring so bad, I mean... It's the most rare and special compliment and form of validation a man can give to a woman, it's like basically the guy kneeling before the girl and accepting she's the most special human being on Earth (to him).

Men rarely do that in their lifetime. We can sacrifice our money, time and effort for sex, but we won't sacrifice our freedom for any "rando", and women know it.

(The reverse, this is a proof of validation from women to men, is virginity. That's why marriage and virginity where complimentary institutions.)

If a man gives you a ring, that means you are a special woman. That's it. You don't need degrees or a career or to be super cute to prove anything, some other human being (a man non the less) has given you a material proof of how much special you are.

I was seeing the other day a post of a woman who "married herself" hahaha she even bought an engagement ring for herself...

You see how deep it goes this intrinsical need of women for male validation, and how powerfull a symbol can be to the female psyche, that this woman had actually BOUGHT A RING for herself. She HAD to have a ring, It wasn't enough to say "hey I'm single, I love my single life and I'm happy", she needed a ring.

So no, this "AF/BB" thing is not the same than women banging the "Chads" and marrying the "Billies"

The woman's version of a BB, I think, It would be a "forever girlfriend" or a "step-girlfriend". A woman who is used for sex and stringed along with the promise of commitment, or a woman who's used for sex until a better one shows up.

Fusiontron · 2021-10-30T22:57:20+00:00

For me, there isn't any? When I see a woman taking care of kids or otherwise acting very nurturing, she starts to look hotter to me.

gimpgirl555 · 2021-10-31T05:36:23+00:00

As the women here love to say, men will stick their dick in anything. Men have a low attraction floor, so they'll have sex with most women.

That's a female bluepill. some guys will bang anything. Higher value guys usually have standards that most women don't meet.

Liberal_On_Guns · 2021-10-30T21:32:10+00:00

Not really. It already has a name. Madonna/Whore.

Nihi1986 · 2021-10-30T22:37:25+00:00

I think It would be fair to admit that a woman used as casual or FWB is the female equivalent of the BB in the sense that she's used and not given what she truly wants, the commitment.

BB can get the relationship too (for one reason or another) and this female could too. Chances are low, though, and they bet their precious time and energy often to find out that the guy is cheating or dumping her for a new, younger and hotter model, or just being a very uninterested bf/husband.

JacobMoogberg69 · 2021-10-30T20:59:00+00:00

Wifey material is the chick that you promise your material possessions to but get tired of fucking after about a year. So you tell me where wifey fits in the analogy?

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passepar2t · 2021-10-30T21:59:21+00:00

Kinda

SylvestorTalone · 2021-10-31T02:15:59+00:00

Yes.

Ok_Razzmatazz_1751 · 2021-10-31T04:41:37+00:00

Every woman that I know that is an executive director or a doctor, they all have stated in casual conversation that men that have issues with authority don't marry women like them.

idrinkapplejuice42 · 2021-10-31T20:03:57+00:00

There isnt an equivalent. The roles of men and women are asymmetrical.

sinisterforces · 2021-10-31T20:51:18+00:00

Madonna-whore.

I thought about this for a long time, and *to be honest* I think males practice it more than women. I feel like women genuinely see men in a less dichotonomous view and actively try to find men with traits that allude to A/B traits. I mean we can even see this in female *attraction* in the sense of looks. If we look past the fact that women aren't as visual as men and are attracted to context and behaviour as well... Women are attracted to masculine men, but not hypermasculine. In general it's masculine men with some certain less masculine features. Women see men as more "whole" person, making them actually divide men less into A/B than men divide women into M/H, especially after a woman has fallen in love. I think men aren't capable of love in the same way women are.

Look at John F. Kennedy. Men marry Jackie Kennedy and cheat with Marilyn Monroe. Can't be attracted to women they love and respect, can't love and respect the women they are attracted to.

Men marry "wife material" but will cheat on her with "promiscious" and in their eyes more attractive women, who again don't gain a shit from that. Unlike men, we women don't idealise the whore but rather the madonna, as most women would prefer being in the role of the female version of "beta bucks".

Looking wifeable often tends to mean looking less attractive, but also more chaste, modest, caring, nice. I am called I look "girl next door" like and similar things. That's used positively (the girl next door is a term used to describe a female archetype and fashion aesthetic which can range in terms of personal definition, but usually denotes a girl or woman who appeals to traditional or “all-American” gender norms with the allure of purity, simplicity, and charm, with a natural, modest, or effortless beauty) but ultimately it means a woman that is pretty enough to marry (and have s3x with), but she lacks the actual allure of the "bombshell". It's not the woman he preferably would have in bed, but within marriage, if he has good morals, he makes do.

spinsterchachkies · 2021-11-02T05:12:41+00:00

Both are beta.

Men will fuck anything and settle when it’s time for a wife. It’s no compliment to be either. Both are beta. Better to be alone then that.

The only alpha or winner is if a woman finds a man that actually loves her, and wants to spend the rest of his life with her, and THEN doesn’t cheat on her. If she can find someone she can raise a family with then that is alpha.

Hoopy223 · 2021-10-30T22:58:25+00:00

I thought the whole idea was the hot guys get all the sex and the regular guys have to $$ up and be a provider if they wanna get laid?

Anyways as a guy theres the hot/crazy matrix. Lots of times the women you meet who are very attractive and fun are also completely nuts so you don’t typically date/marry the “hottest girl” because she tried to stab you with a screwdriver.

DerekMorganBAU · 2021-10-30T23:18:16+00:00

Not even close. Wifey gets the same dicking down that the casual fling gets. There’s no distinction in that department, which matters a lot to us but not so much for women.

An AF can fuck a bitch easily and get the same relationship perks as the BB.

The BB can NOT get quick access to sex. He can only get it through relationships and commitment.

Blackheart201992 · 2021-10-31T09:12:14+00:00

There's no male equivalent to AF/BB because most men don't have options.

Title	Is the male equivalent of AF/BB, wifey material (AF) vs a casual partner (BB)?
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Date	October 30, 2021 8:54 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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