How mixed are are your views in red/black/blue pills, as a purple piller?

SmarmyPapsmears · 2022-05-07T12:01:27+00:00

I am effectively purple pilled. I believe there is validity to a lot of RP ideas, and looks do matter the most for both men and women (I guess blackpill). I don't think AWALT and there are some RP ideologies that I don't think are good.

Substantial_Video560 · 2022-05-07T13:26:41+00:00

Well, from experience I know women are more attracted to the arrogant, cocky and player types of guys then they are to the more reserved, cultured and intelligent guys. Very few women pursue the latter hence why most geeky guys are forever alone types.

DaMilan · 2022-05-07T14:43:42+00:00

Roughly 50 % Blackpill, 30 % Bluepill and 20 % Redpill.

Some of my believes:

Agree:

Blackpill: I think Looks do matter, and not only just a little but moderately to strongly depending on subculture, that genetics matter and for some non-trivial amount of guys "it never began", that especially young women are very picky (insert a more nuanced 80/20 Rule take here), that Lookism is a thing not only in Dating but also in Friendships and workplace, that media and society gaslights massively about female sexuality/denial of bad behaviour of women and that a large minority of (mostly, but not only) young, working and lower class women hava toxic elements to their sexuality and partner choice ( e. g. hybristophilia or unreasonable selectiveness which makes their partner treat them badly more likely due to his abudance).

Shit, the Blackpill is the only of all pills which is actually scientifically backed with its own page!

https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill

Bluepill: I think quality women really appreciate a good-hearted, empathic and prosocial man, you can show emotions and weakness with your LTR and it will not only not be bad, it will even make you more attractive in her eyes, that there are single mother who really did everything they could but got just unlucky, Finacial and Educational Hypergamy is overblown, Quality men care about a womens education/intelligence/carreer (though it's not symetrical with how much the average women cares), I don't think a child growing up fatherless ist *that* bad and shared values and interest are really important, especially for LTRs.

Redpill: I think many women find power/status/competence attractice and this is not symetrical with male desire for women, there is a large minority of women who sexually reward toxic masculinity/bad behaviour in men and society/feminists should call this out more, a minority of women (~15 %) engange in Finacial and Educational Hypergamy, Men not showing to much weakness in public is a Chestersons fence which many men are right about better not tearing down, AF/BB is a thing (though I have a more nuanced take), and some percentage of single mothers with deadbeat dads or generally horrible spouses actively choose this and deserve blame for their actions.

Disagree:

Blackpill:

Looks are important: Yes, they are, but as a Man, as long as you are a bit above average you have made the cutoff and then other factors like social skills, intelligence and shared values matter more

Chadfishing proves that if a women doesen't sleep with you immediately, you are Plan B: No, it may be true for those women who got Chadfished, but not every women is like this.

Bluepill:

Some of them already said in my red-and blackpill agree take above, here are some others:

AF/BB is not real: Redpillers may overestimate both the relevance and how strongly the women in these dynamics settle, but do you really want to claim that 1) when women look for somthing short-term, they can date above their league?, that 2) as a consequence they date down for LTRs and thus that the "Cads" get better and more validationals sex than the "Dads?" Do you really want to claim that women who already have one child and are 35 are dating a bit lower quality men than when they were 21 and childless and that the guy they "choose" at 35 can reasonable deduct that he is their plan B?

Also, the constant lamenting in media about toxic male behaviour/sexuality while completely ignoring toxic elements of females really grinds my gears. You can't say anything negative about women without beeing labeled as a Nazi-Incel-Trump-Dudebro. But of course female behaviour is far from perfect! The cognitive dissonance.

Redpill:

AWALT, oldest Teenager in the house, 1000-Cock Stare (Lol, who really believes this), Single mother all beeing horrible and stupid people, "Men peak actually at 40 bro" supported with made-up charts, A women settling or dating down when she gets older automatically meaning she has ZERO attraction the her Betabux (where is the nuance guys?), and tactics like Negging or Dread Game working (yes they work - but only on low qulity women)

Now fight me!

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ex_red_black_piller · 2022-05-07T12:59:21+00:00

50% black, 40% red, 10% blue.

ScrawnyWhiteBoy94 · 2022-05-08T05:14:15+00:00

How mixed are are your views in red/black/blue pills, as a purple piller?

I'm black pilled in terms of the belief that looks are very important and your physical appearance has a HUGE effect on not only the type of people you date, but on your dating experience as a whole. Really attractive people tend to date other really attractive people and dating in general is just easier, the more conventionally attractive you are.

However, I also believe that almost anybody, regardless of their looks, can find a partner. Even though looks are DEFINITELY an advantage in the dating market, they're not a 100% requirement to find love.

wtknight · 2022-05-07T13:15:49+00:00

I support the side of evolutionary psychology. However, I think that TRP often makes too many negative generalizations about all women, so I don’t consider myself a Red Piller. Unfortunately, people seem to take to extremes when it comes to taking sides in any debate these days.

Lift_and_Lurk · 2022-05-07T14:04:34+00:00

There are no “pills”. It’s just marketing by “internet gurus” to sell you their ideas and methods on “what works”.

It’s the equivalent of a fad workout. I’ll put it this way, let say someone invents a trash fitness program (let’s call it CrossFit). Sure, this program works for some, might even work great for certain people. And for a lot of people doing CrossFit is better than the “nothing” that they had been doing. But 99 percent of the people aren’t going to be looking like Fitness models, and the athletes in the CrossFit games aren’t even doing the WODs. So what you end up with is a bunch of dudes acting arrogant and smug acting like “CrossFit is the greatest. And it’s the only way” and being annoying. while not actually looking like they do CrossFit because they aren’t actually doing a lot of the WODs regularly. But oh they sure can tell you “All about it!”

now replace CrossFit with RP or FDS and tell me it doesn’t sound like them

KikiYuyu · 2022-05-07T19:52:26+00:00

I basically don't believe any side that tries to assign intent to the other. It's always "Oh men do this because they HATE WOMEN!" or "Women act like this because they are MEGA SLUTS". It's bullshit. Men and women are different over all, but we're all human which means we're all deeply flawed. We all do horrible cruel things to each other. We also do great things.

The media is definitely skewed heavily in favour of women right now. I see it as a big overcorrection for past wrongs. Neither sex should be believed or valued more than the other. Worth is not determined by winning the suffering contest.

I think the division is really just tribalism. Everyone wants to be on a team, and everyone wants their team to win.

Substantial_Video560 · 2022-05-07T13:12:22+00:00

The older I'm get I turn more towards red pill.

basedconfidentsbro · 2022-05-07T14:10:08+00:00

blue: “just be urself” red “get attractive bro” black “it’s ur genetics or it’s over bro”

2022-05-07T15:13:45+00:00

Roughly 60% black, 30% red, 10% blue.

EugeneCezanne · 2022-05-07T18:06:01+00:00

Blue pill, I guess. I think the basis of red pill ideology is men who feel disempowered by modern dating seeking to reclaim power through information. The problem is that the only acceptable information is whatever can be misinterpreted as reinforcing the worldview that got them there.

2022-05-07T19:31:43+00:00

The life I live is more purple pill. Fantastic relationships. On this forum I become more red pill as the comments push me that way.

ObviouslyAnAltAct · 2022-05-07T23:38:28+00:00

I'm an older guy. Much older than the average Reddit user. All I can really tell you is that TRP is absolutely true in almost every way when it comes to observable female behavior. Not so much the toxic prescriptive elements, but definitely in outlining standard female behavior. But at the same time, you can't really be angry at women for it. I mean you can, obviously, but then you have to be angry at younger men too with absurdly insatiable sex drives. We, as human beings, are what we are, and there is a distinct and observable difference in the psychology of the sexes. It really has always been this way. And it will continue to be this way. The only real difference is that the internet has done a few things. First, it's expanded dating competition from your immediate surroundings to the entire world. It's also pumped up women's egos beyond anything even remotely reasonable and fueled male resentment while at the same time rewarding it on both sides with echo chambers and anger. Finally, it's provided the education to show all this, including data, and documentable trends. I can tell you that the relationships between men and women were significantly better before the invention of the smart phone. Significantly better in basically every way. I'm not talking about life in general. Just dating and how men and women felt about one another.

Comprehensive_Bed314 · 2022-05-07T12:26:38+00:00

Red pill - seems weird

Blue pill - seems weird

Black pill - seems weird

A bunch of pillers like to put Alphas on a pedestal. I think Alphas pale in comparison to Sigmas.

parahacker · 2022-05-07T13:57:49+00:00

Red pill.

Not black pill, because my observations lead me to conclude that most variances in attraction behavior between men and women in dating are cultural; not all, but most.

Not blue pill, because I don't agree that everything is fine and that men and women act rationally at all times during dating; and I don't agree that there aren't differences in how men and women are attracted to each other, or that it doesn't matter.

Red pill, because the question should be answered. And, despite a decade and change of this, we're still at the throwing-spaghetti stage of theorizing what's actually happening. That's what red pill is: the knowledge something is off and the need to get answers regarding dating and relationships, that people - largely women, but also men - are not acting in accordance with rational principles, not being consistent or inconsistent in their behavior, but some odd middle between the two; and that this is causing problems.

E-2-butene · 2022-05-07T14:16:34+00:00

Probably 40/40/20.

I think a lot of the behavioral observations that TRP makes about dating and women are pretty much correct, as long as you’re careful to take the most reasonable interpretation. A lot of the ways to “game” women and the different attraction cues they look for are both fairly well supported by the scientific evidence and also align well with my personal experience.

But many of the black pill’s observations about the important of attraction and height are absolutely correct. I don’t entirely agree with how fatalistic they are about it, as self improvement can clear some of the gap (and more than I suspect most of them appreciate), but I also believe some guys are too fucked for TRP stuff to work.

But I’m still enough of a delusional idealist to convince myself that I can pull of finding a unicorn and have a family without blowing up my life. I consider that a pretty “blue pill” idea.

daddysgotanew · 2022-05-07T14:54:09+00:00

Definitely between red/black. As I’ve gotten older I realize that looks are the ultimate trump card, unless you are exceptional in other areas that can make up for it. And the looks threshold is extremely high. I can say as an over 6 foot tall “7”, I don’t cut it for 90 percent of women

No-Priority7869 · 2022-05-07T15:14:17+00:00

I wish the dating world was blue pill, but my life experiences have led me to see it in a red pill way. People of all genders lack basic self-awareness and self-criticism, which leads them to the complete delusion that they are blue pill when their actual behavior is red.

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2022-05-07T12:09:21+00:00

I am pro-Bayesian inference. Update your beliefs as you get more information instead of sticking to dogma.

LittleDragonMaiden · 2022-05-07T12:33:14+00:00

I think there are bits of truth to every philosophy but maybe I’m between blue and purple pill. I’m somewhat idealistic while still being somewhat grounded in reality.

humdf · 2022-05-07T13:26:09+00:00

you want a xls file and bar graphs with percentages??)

titanicgs · 2022-05-07T15:05:41+00:00

All black baby

techr0nin · 2022-05-07T15:23:48+00:00

I would say I believe in blackpill principles, redpill mindset, and a bluepill endgame.

I think attraction is first and foremost physical, and other than weight/muscles alot of desirable traits are innate. However I think self-improvement and practice can go a long way for most men. But I also think that spinning plates in perpetuity is a dead-end path, and for most men marriage with a high quality woman for the purpose of raising children will probably result in the greatest level of life satisfaction and contentment.

throwaway164_3 · 2022-05-07T15:54:42+00:00

I think at the end of the day, we’ll all be dead.

So whatever your pill/worldview, as long as you get what you want (sex, dating, etc.) and don’t actively harm others, all power to you.

Paradoxically, I have seen some red pillers who are kind and understanding to strangers, and blue pillers with extremely toxic and harsh behaviors. People of all pills can, and alas often are, toxic assholes.

To each their own.

odd_cloud · 2022-05-07T16:47:40+00:00

I think some rp ideas are quite true. For example, hypergamy and 80/20 explain quite a lot. For me they are core ideas of rp, and they help to understand the opposite sex. I don’t find many other ideas true and useful.

At the same time I believe love happens between people so I am blue pulled in this part.

2022-05-07T17:02:31+00:00

I lean TRP however:

I don't like how many TRP views are expressed, even if true or "largely" true / more true than the opposite
I don't like how RP is a short-hand that's used as a whole-hand
I don't like how TRP has a tendency to praise men at the same time as deride women. I think both women and men are both sexually idiotic animals chasing a bunch of hormones and making bad decisions... TRP is like a one-way street in that regard, only looking ahead at women and never back at oneself

Electrical_Coat_8714 · 2022-05-07T17:07:08+00:00

Brown pill only pil

yeoldname · 2022-05-07T18:28:50+00:00

I lean towards red pill awareness with blue pill preferences - if a woman exhibits too many red pill truths like blatant shit testing or rampant hypergamy it’s not worth using red pill knowledge to “game” them - the less game I have to employ to enjoy my time with a woman (so the more blue pill she is inclined) the more likely I am to explore a relationship with her. I think having to use red pill knowledge means there’s too unnatural of a dynamic where “maintaining frame” (RP) is the baseline over “being oneself” (BP), tho a healthy unconscious amount of both is probably the right way - being able to maintain frame as your best healthy self rather than having to game to maintain frame if that makes sense.

boomcheese44 · 2022-05-07T19:20:18+00:00

I'm purplish-black at this point. There are too many truths in each pill...people just choose the side that aligns best for them to sort out their issues.

Lovers691 · 2022-05-07T20:52:25+00:00

Mostly Blackpill with some redpill and blue pill peppered in. I’m mostly blackpill cause the true is looks(facial, body, race and height)are the most important factor in dating, it is mostly objective and immutable since basic bone structure cannot be changed easily and even if it is done you’ll most likely not become chad from facial reconstruction. Where I diverged with the blackpill and pick upon the redpill and blue pill is one two fronts:

1.) just because looks are mostly immutable doesn’t mean much can’t be done to raise a 3-4 that hasn’t lookmaxed to a 6 or in rare cases such as obesity into a 7, things like skincare, building muscle, haircuts, being lean and dressing well are discounted by the blackpill any they can really improve your looks which is a redpill idea.

2.) social skills(game) and being a nice guy with interesting hobbies also matter. Although you have to break a woman’s looks barrier first before she considers you for dating if you are a 5-6 in her eyes and have 8-9/10 game and are a genuinely nice guy with an interesting personality you can do better than a 7 or even an 8 in terms of a relationship and even hookups(although it has a lower chance of working cause hookups are based extremely on looks) if they have poor social skills or are an asshole or have a shit personality, this point is a comb of red and blue pills.

Stunning-Potato-1984 · 2022-05-07T23:24:06+00:00

No pills for me. It honestly feels culty and weird but I really enjoy reading about and watching documentaries on cults so here I am.

AttachableSheep · 2022-05-08T00:25:53+00:00

Honestly I would be red pill all the way, if not for the hate, insanity, cultish behavior and promotion of actual abuse some of these groups advocate for. Red pill is mostly true, considering all those confidence, working on yourself and all those things, but come on.

I specifically disagree with most of what marriage red pill says (lots of abuse and stuff), AWALT, treating women like they are amoral and stupid, all those "coaches" and their blindly supportive fans, and generally the mindset that you can either understand or love women.

Anything not red pill is considered blue pill, so there you go.

As for the black pill side of things, I'm not really big on that one. I'm not into casual sex so looks aren't that helpful for me.

reignoferror00 · 2022-05-08T03:13:29+00:00

Practically for me as an unhappily married middle aged guy - blackpilled to a great extent. If you want a percentage number, I'd guess 80 to 85%.

Any sexual life I have left will likely be me paying by the hour. Online "dating" was almost entirely a waste of time (especially with my looks/age/personality/marital situation) and effort pre-COVID and I can waste my time online and otherwise doing more enjoyable things (like beating my head against a wall)

Theoretically I see more red pill than blue being valid, but being what I am and where I am in life it really isn't applicable to much of my life. Some of the blue pill behavior/thoughts still bleeds through from my youth no matter how I want it stamped out, but for the most part my thought run to blackpilled and not just because of the depression (which I'm medicated for, though that only does so much).

If I can find some fleeting moments of joy once in a while and I can just get by in life.

Severe-Pirate · 2022-05-08T04:34:26+00:00

Mostly black with some red mixed in

decoy88 · 2022-05-08T04:56:26+00:00

“Purple Pillers” don’t really exist. They are Blue Pilled.

AelfredRex · 2022-05-08T13:15:53+00:00

"Pills" are bullshit. Wasn't even that good of a movie.

smallstarseeker · 2022-05-08T16:13:58+00:00

Blue pill is a very well written fantasy world. The only problem with it is that some fans actually believe it's real.

Red Pill has a lot of merit however it does fail to see the bigger picture.

Black Pill same as Red Pill just decides that the best course of action is to despair.

Purple pill is not really a pill, just a place where people can debate... as in actually debate not jerk each other in an echo chamber.

I'm leaning toward the the truth.

H3l3l6758 · 2022-05-09T01:09:24+00:00

Blackpill to me is reality you can try and Socialmax, moneymax and even looksmax and it won't get you anywhere. Has an old friend before he hang himself once told me. "If you ain't never attracted a women or have been shown loved at our age, it's pointless to even try and look for it. It was not meant for us and only someone incapable of realizing he failed will keep looking for succes."

Redpill it's just to me the stage of anger for men who can't accept they failed and keep searching for success. looksmaxxing, moneymaxxing, socialmaxxing and other types of self help guru stuff. That only works for those that where gonna succeed anyway, those that already where somewhat successful already.

Bluepill is the equivalent of Voluntary ignorance to the Evils Humans can and will do. Most bluepill people I've met tend to believe that if you work hard enough you can make it. Their excuse is "See I have made it, you can too bro". Of course let's forget they have a good amount of success and family, that is willing to support them even if they are criminals or Bad people. But in their mind they hurt someone that person deserved it because he's was bad. But if he/she is hurt in their bluepill mind they are the victims.

Blackpill can ascend to Whitepill acceptance that this is our role and their is nothing we can do but accept it and die with a smile on our face. For we now Understand that Humans are not Sweet like Sugar, but we are like Caramel. We can be very sweet but also very sour and sometimes a mixture of both. But rarely can you find the sweet and some of us only have found the Sour ones so don't judge us if we believe all of you are sour.

Redpill descends into the abyss of the Blackpill for now you know and understand that we Humans are full of shit and your looks always matter.

Bluepill is the equivalent of knowing you can end slavery but ending it will make your food cost more. So you for the "Greater good" move slavery to somewhere you won't see it. Because if you don't see it, how can it harm your conscience.

2022-05-09T08:13:40+00:00

I'm an adamant no piller. I guess to the pill heads that makes me a blue piller but whatevs. I agree with bits and pieces of both sides but I think the whole conversation is utter trash and delusional.

dottywine · 2022-05-12T07:00:20+00:00

I don't know what the blue pill preaches at all. I know sufficiently about the RP. Most of it, I hate. Black pill is just god awful.

My flair says I'm a normal person. I don't feel I have any views that anyone would find particularly offensive or worth debating unless you're on the extreme of BlP or RP.

cholmanattom · 2022-05-13T19:13:41+00:00

Black + red. Dislike being too hard and unfair to normal everyday women but enjoy provoking FDS women.

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