ATTENTION: Visitors from VICE

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This goes for anyone visiting us because of this bullshit of an article. Ask yourselves "why am I here?" In my opinion it's because the author is either an idiot, or outright lied to you. I'm leaning towards the latter because everyone knows the men's rights subreddit is over here --> /r/MensRights

My thinking is that the author committed what's known as Yellow Journalism and tried to write a hit piece on the men's rights movement. This isn't the first time this has happened pointing to TRP and holding it up as something it's not. Now in all fairness we do have our own threads on the subject now and then, which can be searched on by the "men's rights" flair.

If you wish to post in this subreddit, first you must have an account in good standing that's been around for a while, so no non-attributable throwaway accounts, and you must first read the sidebar, which I've made a guided tour of for newbies who want to know what we're really about.

We thank you for boosting our traffic and adding to our readership, but post in good faith or you will be banned. This is your one and final warning to behave.

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Title ATTENTION: Visitors from VICE
Author bsutansalt
Upvotes 1095
Comments 292
Date 30 August 2017 11:33 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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[–]Modredpillschool[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (1 child) | Copy

Edit: I answered my own question.

Here's the link to Men's Rights flair:

[–]SovereignSoul76307 points308 points  (10 children) | Copy

The narratives created by TRP, in my opinion, are myths to enable its users to justify rejection, overcome a lack of self-confidence and are the result of a crippling power complex. Before I delved into TRP, I thought that the harmful, hateful opinions held there were alarming but unthreatening, occurring in an online space so distanced from my own personal political anchor. But perhaps we shouldn't be so detached: if today's politics are evidence of anything, it's that those who feel ignored have finally managed to wield the most power.

Translations: "I came up with this narrative before I even visited the site. Everything must be related to politics; I cannot see people for what they are: people. These MRAs must be Trump supporters, and are therefore HATEFUL. Masculinity and physical violence are the same thing. I am SCARED of these people and you should be too! (no specific reason required). I do not know how to think logically. I'm so open minded, I sneezed and my brain fell out."

[–]albino_red_head125 points126 points  (1 child) | Copy


evo psych truths, ftfy

enable its users to justify rejection

helps it's users overcome rejection, ftfy

overcome a lack of self-confidence

Build self confidence, ftfy

and are the result of a crippling power complex.

and fly in the face of a crippling power complex, ftfy

[–]jgwould71417 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

Once I looked up ftfy I loled.

[–]mwobuddy42 points43 points  (3 children) | Copy

Except its the potential for physical violence literally makes women dripping wet.


Want a dangerous man who is civilized. They don't want men who are not a threat, who are naive or incapable of harming others. He's a pretty blue pill kind of guy and yet so many things he says are red pill.

Trying to be "Mr nice guy" is not only not what women want, it actually causes revulsion and disgust AND an impugning of the reasons behind 'acting nice to get laid'. In other words, the 1950's version of buy a woman a drink and treat her nice is so passe because women are raised to be disgusted rather than love it. Treat a woman like she's amazing and bring her flowers, and you're a beta bitch which inspires rejection from her.

Here's a video about women choosing to date 'assholes'.

[–]1OneRedSock21 points22 points  (1 child) | Copy

Further, the paradox is that while women yearn for the threat of violence, or violence in some sanctioned forms (BDSM, see 50 Shades of Grey) which is why they are attracted to the "asshole", the reality is they are safer with an RP aware asshole than a BP asshole. Why? Because BPs put all their eggs in one basket and take some drastic measures when they don't get what they think they deserve, whereas a RP man will think "plenty of fish in the sea".

BP men all over the world make irrevocably life changing decisions in the name of pussy because they operate from the scarcity mentality. I've said it before, and I will always maintain, that a BP man is more of a real threat to women than RP due to their operating from a place of weakness and desperation.

[–]WhySoRuff9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

As the article claims:

According to Dr Bensimon, the root of the problem may be in the imbalance rooted in the employee's personality.

Of course, any transgression committed by a woman requires searching for any information since her birth as to what may have caused her to commit such an act. Female psychology or biology can never be the answer, women are always the victims, because...... reasons.

In order to tackle the problem, he explains that prison administrators should recognize the problem and provide training to staff.

Prison administrators must rewire the female brain so their pussy doesn't get moist when they interact with men who are ruthless, selfish and got game.

Feeling attraction for an inmate is not an ethical transgression in itself, but responding quickly and appropriately to control it is the ethical and professional responsibility of all correctional workers,' concludes Dr Bensimon.

Dr Bensimon is obviously a smart doctor who believes that women are rational creatures and can control the tingles brought about from an alpha male. He is also a proponent of gender fluidity and believes biology or psychology has nothing to do with the differences in male/female behavior./S

The only fact that is pertinent to TRP:

The study found women were more affected than men, with over 70 per cent of cases of sexual misconduct in US correctional system involving female staff, despite them making up less than half of the prison workforce.

The rationalizations and solutions are nonsense.

That article laid a general foundation as to the trend among female correctional officers, now take a look at this actual incident, and see how far these women went to serve ONE MAN.

Meet the 4 female prison guards who were impregnated by Black Guerrilla Family inmate Tavon White

[–]Rian_Stone2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Short of having a 'what is truth' moment, RP has never been about truth, but utility.

It members reading that the moon was made of cheese created a way for them to lift on the regular, then it would be written here extensively.

fortunately for us, a truthful (yet often unflattering) narrative tends to elicit the best results, but it's not a law of nature.

We just aren't designed for truth, from an evo psycho perspective, we are irrational by design

[–]-ATLAS-_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"How dare you fail at something and try to improve yourself and try again! Your attempt at improving your life and trying to find a sense of happiness is all because of a crippling power complex"

[–][deleted] 400 points401 points  (61 children) | Copy

On a slightly offtopic note, I find the notion of people being here "because they're outcasts who always had trouble with women" to be laughable. Not that there's anything wrong with that -- are those who have trouble to just sit back and accept their lot, or are they to proactively tackle their issues? Idiotic. I've never had trouble with anything like that, but I usually lurk in this sub because not only are there always interesting posts here, but also because it's a really distinct perspective on masculinity that you won't really find elsewhere in the modern world. And I'm sure there's a ton of people like me on this sub, too. There is clearly something of value offered by this sub, else I wouldn't bother coming here, would I?

[–]Modredpillschool253 points254 points  (24 children) | Copy

I find the notion of people being here "because they're outcasts who always had trouble with women" to be laughable.

I think a lot of people here have a different problem with women than most think. Many here have had girlfriends, wives, or got laid. The problem was that their lives crumbled because the women in their lives didn't follow the rules that they thought society follows.

Many are here just to learn what the real rules of the game are so they have a fighting chance.

[–]russbussdp36 points37 points  (1 child) | Copy

Couldn't have said it better. Never had a problem with getting laid. However, needed some insight to clear up the oneitis. Alot of men find themselves here after a dramatic heartbreak, myself included. Looking back I wish I had redpill knowledge that would have prevented the emotional investment.

[–]AdamWillis14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

I was over my heartbreak when I found this sub and I believe this sub has helped me realize my bad investment and showed me the way to properly invest with my new LTR. I think it has made our relationship stronger but at the same time, if we split ways, I think I would lose less emotionally than before.

[–][deleted] 116 points117 points  (13 children) | Copy

I'm not even here because of problems with women (perfectly happy in my current LTR - moderately successful in the dating scene beforehand) but because I like to discuss issues concerning masculinity with other men outside the usual PC cuck bubble.

I wonder how many others like me?

[–]sharp734 points35 points  (0 children) | Copy

I come here for general self improvement, and business advice (mostly book recommendations). Along with some fun with playing around with evolutionary psychology.

Mostly though, its the book recommendations.

[–]_BITCHES_LOVE_ME_ 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I'm the same. Masculinity is mostly viewed as something toxic and dangerous that should be suppressed, but this is a place where you can be unapologetically macho. I'm successful with women and in general, and was before I found this sub. I just want a place where men are allowed to be men.

[–]RedPilledGodEmperor13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yeah. It's pretty disgusting that our society says that ANY type of masculinity is toxic. Which includes being strong and in good shape. If you put on some muscle and are strong, you are a "meathead", instead of someone who wants to look good

[–]_BITCHES_LOVE_ME_ 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Absolutely. And it's not just about looking good either, I want to be strong because i feel like a certain level of physical fitness is required so I can look after myself and my loved ones (women, obviously).

[–]RedPilledGodEmperor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

same. I like being able to go to the gym weight about 177 lbs and being able to bench at least 315 lbs and at my peak a few months ago, 330-335 lbs. It's a great feeling.

Body positivity should be about taking pride in being healthy and making your body look good. It shouldn't be about giving fat people an excuse for being overweight.

[–]Kalepsis2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hit the nail on the head there, man. It's so frustrating to see "male" being progressively turned into a disorder.

[–]SILENTSAM6912 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

I am here for similar reasons. I would say on top of that it is to be sure I keep my relationship healthy by following the advice around here.

I feel like TRP has helped me be more secure in my relationship.

[–]Kalepsis1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Here to improve my overall quality of life. I'm working on a healthy diet, lifting, improving my assertiveness, and, yes, trying to improve my interactions with women. TRP helps with all these things.

Notice a distinct lack of the word "hate".

Edit: you know, I've come to learn a bit about psychology. It seems to me that the author of the hit-piece in OP's post isn't actually trying to shove the Disney Life Experience down peoples' throats as much as he's trying to convince himself it's still valid and correct.

The beauty of TRP is that we can simply ignore the blathering of Stockholm Syndrome men who have trapped themselves in a worldview that does nothing but crank up the Misery knob the longer they're there.

[–]Narcissus470 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yup. I'm here with yah, although I think the TRP has really improved my LTR even though I was already happy and would really maximize my success in the dating scene if I do re-enter it.

[–]Ma1nStreaM0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Maybe MGTOW is up your alley. I mean this as an addition, not a replacement.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Not really, if I understand correctly mgtow are against relationships with women and I already find TRPs position on LTRs too extreme for my taste.

Like I said, I'm not really here to talk about women or our relationships with them idk if that's missing the point of the sub but there it is.

[–]Ma1nStreaM0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

MGTOW is more about living your life independent of considering women. Some MGTOW are married, some are in LTR, but MGTOW is about self improvement and living your life for yourself.

/TheRedPill is a self proclaimed sexual strategy. MGTOW is all the parts of self improvement, and self discovery, without the end goal of bedding ladies.

Edit: There's posts about women on MGTOW, but those are guys that are just waking up, similar to the hate posts here on TRP.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

Many are here just to learn what the real rules of the game are so they have a fighting chance.

And naturally the feminists in this world would shame TRP in an attempt to prevent a larger mass of men from learning the real rules, as we see with the Vice article.

[–]BoringNormalGuy14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

Right, I didn't understand what "Just be yourself" truly meant until I started reading this subreddit. If you're being yourself, and women still don't like you, or those same women don't want to be with you, it's very hard to see yourself as something valuable. This subreddit taught me that YES, I have value.

I have no doubt that this subreddit saves lives, and I don't think enough people appreciate that. It certainly saved mine, I was not in a good place when I first got here.

[–]Modredpillschool11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have no doubt that this subreddit saves lives,

Being able to connect with others who think similarly definitely saved my life.

[–]GunsGermsAndSteel6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Absolutely! And you know what? After implementing some of this red pill stuff, I started a new relationship, and I keep this one happier than any of the women before her, because back then I was treating them like princesses... I treat my current wife like a PERSON, with all the good and bad that comes with it.

[–]TheRecycledMale3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Since I don't presume to know why others read here, I will just state - I found TRP not because I couldn't get laid, I've done fairly well in my life. My path was through the back door, because after my marriage disintegrated, I believed it was "all on me", that I wasn't "man enough" to make it work. I shouldered 100% of the responsibility, just like I was told to do all my life. That as head of the household, it was my failure ... literally, "the buck stops here".

I can not thank the thousands of men and the internet, that helped me past that belief, and who provided the proof, the logic and science behind what is being taught and shared.

In my mind, it is just as important to understand the dangers of the BP male as it is understand the nature of women.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Wonderful description.

Also, many women I know are equally as perplexed by the way they themselves navigate the smp. Without using trp terminology and treading softly (not pointing fingers), one can use trp truths to even help them out.

[–]spermface0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Rules are an ever-changing and player-defined concept, so I think "alternative rules" is much more realistic than "real rules". House rules abound.

[–]ThePounder52 points53 points  (8 children) | Copy

You are right. Some come here because they are social outcasts who are angry, or trying to better themselves. Whatever the reason, I'm certain that everyone who frequents this subreddit in good faith just wants to improve as a person to become the best version of themselves.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (5 children) | Copy

"most attractive version of themselves" which happens to coincide with success, looks, strength, and owning your shit.

This is and always will be, first and foremost, a Men's Sexual Strategy subreddit. It just turns out that a lot of that strategy is self improvement; despite the "just be yourself" message of society.

[–]EightyTimes16 points17 points  (4 children) | Copy

Not to get off on a tangent, but I agree with "Just be yourself" as actually good advice that works.

It basically means "Make no apologies for who you are, what you want, or how you behave." It means "Be straightforward in your dealings with others".

the real problem is the misinterpretation of it. Many people hear it and think it means "Wear your heart on your sleeve". They think it gives them permission to whine and find excuses.

I like my interpretation better.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

The popular interpretation of "Be yourself" works only as long as "yourself" is good enough. Self-improvement isn't and shouldn't be about being someone you're not, self-improvement (and this sub for that matter) is about building the power and discipline needed to live life at full force.

[–]spermface4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

All of your actions and thoughts of self-improvement are also "yourself". Being yourself is an extremely wide reaching concept, and people misinterpret it as "stay who you are right now forever" instead of "Don't hide who you are, including where you are in the journey".

[–]MuleJuiceMcQuaid15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

the real problem is the misinterpretation of it. Many people hear it and think it means "Wear your heart on your sleeve".

I'd argue more guys hear it and think "Well it's okay that I'm 100lbs overweight with poor hygiene and no job, women should love me for me.

[–]Future_Alpha0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue

Or walk with kings nor lose the common touch.

If neither foe nor loving friends can hurt you,

If all men count with you but none too much.

If you can fill the unforgiving minute with sixty seconds worth of distance run

Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it -

What is more, you'll be a Man my son!"

Rudyard Kipling

[–]johnyann19 points20 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm here to help people like this sub helped me.

This is a good community.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy

Watching this sub encourage that guy with cancer to fight it made me realize I like this community a lot. It's like a brotherhood. Tough love, too.

[–]Roaring40sUK14 points15 points  (3 children) | Copy

I think the "had trouble with women comment" comes from her (and feminisms) solipsism.

Men, who bear the burden of performance, in life and sex (relationships), naturally have more problems, because we have to go out there and make it happen. We are "The Man in the Arena" and women are "The Critic".

Women just sit back and wait for it to happen and so it all seems easy to them. They have no idea what it takes to approach.. TRP gives men the tools to overcome.. women should be applauding it.

[–]lopsidedlucky1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

They should be applauding it but, it's being spun as misogyny or weak men. Either of those terms cause women to go deaf. They can't hear, read or understand anything after those phrases.

[–]Roaring40sUK0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, becuase it looks like we dont "just get it".. but of course, we have to do the work so that over time we do "Just get it"

[–]-ATLAS-_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's the same concept as the "slut". There's the old adage that a slut is someone who enjoys sex, but just doesn't share that part of herself with you. The same can be said about a successful guy. A misogynist is a guy who is successful, but doesn't share that part of himself with them.

[–]biggerbetterjobs17 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy

This sub is literally just filled with normal guys in the 18-25 range with normal problems, saying relatively normal (sometimes angry, but still normal) stuff regarding sexual/romantic relationships. Literally everyone man or woman has had problems with this shit at some point in their life..

"Don't get married kid" is something I definitely did not hear first at TRP.

[–]spermface3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Literally just" is an exaggeration, there are other types of people here too.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Full on agree, its just that in the PC version you say "haha my boy is getting married, lifes over buddy, haha" while congratulating him on getting married. Then you spend 20 years hating your life in silence, because its just what everyone does. The internet allows privacy and freedom of speech, so it is no wonder that TRP thrives here.

[–]EightyTimes6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I sub because it's nice to have my ass kicked every once in a while.

I like to be reminded that I have to actively WORK towards being the best man I can be, and that I don't DESERVE respect just because I exist. I need to earn that shit.

[–]slumdog-millionaire10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

I've done better with women than all of my friends, I'm here because I have a focus on improving myself and want to have even more success with women and their is generally some useful content to be found here

[–]Gawernator12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Facts don't matter to them. It's all about ad hominem and character assassination.

[–]ChadFuckingThunder4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I found trp during the time of my divorce. I tried to find what I was doing wrong and got many answers here.

I've got lucky in the looks department, so I've never had any trouble with getting women.

Some posts i find helpful, some I don't, but overall there are a lot of topics covered here that I find interesting even if I don't agree with the argument. So i think everyone can find something helpful here.

[–]tuyguy4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

We're all sexist, white supremacist, racists here friend.

[–]benzguy19720 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I've learned to embrace the labels they throw on us. It drives them even crazier. Like the term "deplorable".

When EVERYONE is sexist, supremacist, racist and deplorable, then NO-ONE is.

[–]blackjackANDplates11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

because they're outcasts who always had trouble with women

Saw that argument too many times. It's a post-wall female shaming tactic

[–]GunsGermsAndSteel2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I find the notion of people being here "because they're outcasts who always had trouble with women" to be laughable.

Dude. Not even women understand women.

[–]-ATLAS-_1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

"How dare you focus on improving yourself!"

[–]2IVIaskerade1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I find the notion of people being here "because they're outcasts who always had trouble with women" to be laughable.

I mean, most of the lurkers here probably are. But isn't that the point - that if they were already successful with women, they wouldn't be here. Apparently they should be shamed for trying to improve their lot in life.

[–]1rporion-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

This notion is also irrelevant.

If it was so, why would they come here, why not find religion, or political extremism, or, let´s say knitting, or bungee jumping?

As a journalist I would ask myself, why TRP, why this message, why not something else.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Perhaps they come here for the same reason that I do

[–]1rporion0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yes, but whatever those reasons are, why here, why now?

If we are all bitter losers, why do we start to congregate?

One would think that we would hide our shame.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Oh, I see what you're saying, I misunderstood your original post, my bad.

Yeah, clearly the guy who wrote the article doesn't appreciate what those who have trouble with women, and just life in general, see in TRP. There is clearly something of value in the paradigm offered by TRP.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I have fucked 45 women in the past year, all well above average. I don't have any issues but I enjoy the topics and threads brought up on TRP. This author is desperately gasping at straws....

[–]_TheRP110 points111 points  (30 children) | Copy

The author wanted to "understand the right" so they came to a forum on sexual strategy and self improvement? I'm not sure what that says about politics.

There are a ton of beta losers all over the political spectrum. Political leanings and the ability to get laid are completely separate attributes.

By the way - I'm about as Red Pill as it gets and I think Trump is an egomaniacal blowhard and Clinton was unelectable. So which part of 'The Right' am I on?

Really wish this author had an account so we could have some back and forth. What a clown.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (19 children) | Copy

Yep, left leaning person here. Feel the same way about Trump and Hilary. I've seen it said a few times here in this sub that you can't truly be redpill if you're left leaning. Those people are idiots. My economic views don't affect my ability to attract women any more or less than super conservative views.

[–]ebonboneheart 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Not true. A communist making minimum wage isnt going to attract an 8 or 9 compared to a capitalist. Money turns women off. Left wing men typically physically weak and psychologically more prone to anxiety and neuroticism.

So, in general, lefties do face a SMV deficit to most attractive, high value women.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (4 children) | Copy

Cite sources for any of that bullshit you just said or fuck off with that shit.

Left leaning people aren't communists, we just understand that capitalism has a lot of potential for abuse, especially in a post industrial society that is flooded with workers and jobs are shrinking. Income inequality is a growing problem, and no the answer isn't communism. Very very few people on the left think that, and they're all idiots.

[–]ebonboneheart 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Lol you can tell this sub is getting weak. My money says you arent out if your 20s yet. Lots to learn about ladies if you make it to your 30s. Left wing politics make weak men.

[–]Ma1nStreaM2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You mean fighting for abortion rights of hypergamous women, unlimited welfare, and demanding that every snowflake is seen as equal in worth doesn't get ladies panties wet? /s

[–]jokuhuna2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

In real world "communist" societies, people would build social value or status in other ways. That often ended in nepotism and corruption. Not everyone can be a worker hero of the people or an artist. So if a man in a socialist society wants to gather more stuff or bundle resources to increase his value he would sooner or later end up involved in the grey or black market. This is one of the major reasons why real world communist or socialist countries can not keep up with capitalist ones.

[–]_TheRP3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

You're just making shit up.

Some of my good friends own businesses just like I do, crush women (or did when they were single) just like I do, and have some of the most (to me) ridiculous political opinions I've ever heard. Some are left, some are tin-foil-hat right.

It's a crapshoot.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy

Maybe the author litterally meant "the right." Because this community is one of the few built on a foundation of facts and truths.

[–]George_Rockwell1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It says that "sexual strategy and self improvement" is nonexistent on the left.

[–]ovrsurge0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The term redpill is associated with right wing politics because of larger communities like The_Donald and /pol/

[–]JFMX19960 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think it's from so many right-wingers say "dropping red pills", meaning "dropping truths". Or another example, "she got red pilled" meaning, she got enlightened or awakened, unplugged, so to say.

I think they mean it in a different context than us.

Red pilled means awakened.

While the right wing political movement and our sexual strategy movement might not be related, we use similar terminology which may have gotten us confused with eachother.

Though there is a significant amount of cross-over, it shouldn't be taken that our movements are one and the same.

[–]Future_Alpha-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

Political leanings and the ability to get laid are completely separate attributes.

Not necessairly true. There is a strong correlation between masculinity, being able to get laid and rightward leaning attitudes.

[–]_TheRP0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Whatever you've got to tell yourself, Chief.

[–]Future_Alpha0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's not my invention. There's studies on it. Go look it up yourself like a big boy.

[–][deleted] 50 points51 points  (5 children) | Copy

There is guaranteed to be a gaggle of soyboys who are clickbaited here and stay awhile trying to feed their ego that their life choices are justified.

They will look for justification that Bros are evil and rejecting masculinity is good for attracting women because thats what each was told and raised on.

A lucky few will read about guys who dont pay for dates and have women call them to go out again. Beg them really. Women are sick of sniveling asskissers and halfmen afraid to escalate that sexual tension women crave

They will read about married men who awoke late and actually lead their household now rather than play happy wife, happy life schmuck game

They will read about guys in their 30s spinning plates who smirk off family silly advice to settle down because it's time

"Do you really think you can play the field forever?"

"Actually, Yea I do!"

So thank you globohomomedia for sending these lost boys home to Uncle Cad. Probably not your intention but we appreciate it.

We are going to save the ones we can and say last rites for the ones who are too far gone.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy

A lucky few

I was already long into alot of PUA stuff. Quess how i found the Red Pill? It being critiziced via shaming tactics in the comments of some NoFap-thread. My initial reaction was labeling it misogyny, but im not too quick to form an absolute opinion. Kinda an actual skeptic (not that youtube shit, rather someone who doesn't believe anything until he himself proofed it or found enough material for it/ enough trustworthy opinions about a thing), so i stayed some more and bam there i was, shallowing the Red Pill myself.

With that in mind, There is no bad publicity is kinda true.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

I was the opposite where I had to turn around a flailing marriage and save myself from laungishing in a so so job with love handles and a bad back

Fixed all dat and now love to study the Art of Game. I love spiking attraction with new women, love parrying their shit tests and watching them giggle as I treat them condescendingly and I love taking them to poundtown.

Rinse and Repeat

[–]lopsidedlucky0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I came here a similar way. A seduction forum that turned blue pill as fuck talking about treating women right etc. and someone was bashing TRP a little to hard. Got me curious. Never looked back.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon99 points100 points  (32 children) | Copy

The one shred of truth in an otherwise disingenuous article:

One of the incredible feats of TRP is how it's managed to pack so much clout behind the ideas it purports. 

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP139 points140 points  (14 children) | Copy

She misses the follow-on sentence: this is because the ideas hold up to real life scrutiny of what is independently observable. You can literally go out and test TRP ideas and get positive results.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c70 points71 points  (5 children) | Copy

The problem with such an empirical approach is that it often proves things to be true which we find unsavory or even difficult to believe. Most people can't deal with that cognitive dissonance.

That article that /u/Rollo-Tomassi posted the other day about Mitch's Purple Pill is a perfect example.

[–]mwobuddy64 points65 points  (4 children) | Copy

That's what I've told people about PUA: No one hates PUA because its completely wrong. They hate it because it gets so much right about what women respond to sexually, and exposes the fact that women are superficial, amoral, etc.

That women lie to you about what women want. Never ask prey how to catch it.

[–]EightyTimes47 points48 points  (3 children) | Copy

Sexual strategy revolves around finding the naturally strongest mate.

Red Pill analyzes the source code of Mate Finding Algorithm 1.0. Seduction finds loopholes in it.

The reason people dislike PUA and TRP is because their very existence undermines Mate Finding Algorithm 1.0. If people are hacking the source code to mimic outward signs of strong mates, it's seen as a very low move. Hence why we don't talk about fight club.

[–]iBchyllen24736523 points24 points  (2 children) | Copy

Mimicking phenotypes/behaviors of strong mates is more of a PUA approach.

TRP is actually becoming a the real deal.

i.e. True self love, true change, and true progression.

Either way, people will find ways to scrutinize even the most golden-hearted Red Pill man because his aura/lifestyle is a reflection of their insecurities and shortcomings.

[–]EightyTimes9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

Either way, people will find ways to scrutinize even the most golden-hearted Red Pill man because his aura/lifestyle is a reflection of their insecurities and shortcomings.

People LOVE Redpill men. A true, stoic, self-improved man living by these ideals are praised by men and women alike. They are respected and followed and loved.

Mimicking phenotypes/behaviors of strong mates is more of a PUA approach. TRP is actually becoming a the real deal.

TRP is still a 'hack' to them because:

Naturally strong mates don't need to be told "women present no threat. It's all one big game, one big test. They will poke you and so long as you remain strong, it will all be okay".

They just BEHAVE that way, because how else would they behave?

If as a man, you were told by a group of theorists and strangers how to behave, and you followed, you have automatically become a fake schlub.

Regardless of how you act or how you behave or if these changes are internalized or not, just belonging to such a community is a red flag that you're not the real deal. Real deal men act that way without the external nudge.

This group, even if it centers around true self improvement, is a threat to traditional hypergamic mate selection.

[–]dkt2 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Seems like that's every argument against TRP. People striking down the ideas without proposing counter arguments or actually testing any theories themselves. The people who do test them likely don't come back to argue.

[–]1rporion23 points24 points  (4 children) | Copy

There is a journalist called Andrea Nagle, who I find interesting, because she wants to know what makes "the right" tick.

Nevermind what she considers to be right, but, she conceded that us "MRAs" have a few points but our answers are all wrong.

What I repeatedly answered to people like her is, "alright, show us a better way"...

No really, show us how we can do better with chocolate, and roses and being totally respectful, I would not mind....

What they really do not like about us is that it works, which means our conception of reality is, at least when it comes to this, superior to theirs and what else might they be wrong about?

[–]spermface2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

I feel like there's a strong aversion here to acknowledgement traditional approach works for lots of men, just as there's an aversion to admit PUA works among traditional daters. They both sometimes look for a solution that works for ALL people, and there isn't one. Some males aren't able to win a mate traditionally and have to subvert the system, but instead of accepting that and working it, many males insist the traditional system is equally a failure for everyone and that everyone having success must be using PUA, giving TRP a bad name and connecting it in the public eye with incels. The name itself refers to a scenario wherein one reality was entirely false and the other true, but in this case, both realities are true, and different people prefer the results of different systems. It's easy for an outsider to get bungled up in the misinformation from inside the sub, let alone from outside it. I think one of the early steps in having the world accept PUA as a valid reality is ceasing to "other" it in an either-or dynamic.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

The "traditional approach" only works with traditional women, which are few and far between these days

[–]Archimedas1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Hit me up next time you meet a traditional woman (unicorn) AWALT

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because it's like, sexist and stuff, duh

[–]kellykebab4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, but that sounds like science. And science is biased in favor of the patriarchy. Rather than testing hypotheses for validity in real life, you should reevaluate every experience after the fact in accordance with an inflexible social theory. Much more reliable.

[–]1empatheticapathetic40 points41 points  (0 children) | Copy

This sentence is straight up shaming of 'betas' trying to move up in status.

"Ugh stop it. Just stay beta!!"

[–]Modredpillschool51 points52 points  (14 children) | Copy

Whoops, these guys are totally wrong and nobody should pay them any attention because of how wrong they are. They gathered a following of over 200,000 subscribers because they're so wrong. We keep reporting about them in the media because they're so wrong!

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon44 points45 points  (11 children) | Copy


I try to read criticism of what we do, and I try to keep an open mind.

But this article isn't even criticism, it's just parroting the same cheap outrage-inducing women-implicitly-as-victim stuff we see everywhere.

It's trying to claim some sort of effort.... like the articles such as "I went deep undercover and lived as a neo nazi for 3 years", except it's "I spent a week reading TRP occasionally" - which seems to really be "I read a couple of other articles about TRP and then rehashed it a bit into more clickbait".

Claiming we wear fedoras .... jeez.... what is this, 2016?

She's right about the minorities claiming all the power though, and maybe that's her fear.

[–]Modredpillschool20 points21 points  (7 children) | Copy

The thing is, our discussion is so far outside the overton window that there's no way in hell a media outlet could even facilitate a discussion on the merits. They disagree so wholeheartedly with the very basic premise that men and women are fundamentally different that they could never even consider some of our higher level theories (such as the feminine imperative).

Ironically, the overton window is essentially the executive branch of the feminine imperative. So, it's operating as intended.

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP30 points31 points  (5 children) | Copy

This was my personal favourite bit:

Except, people on the left generally don't call rape survivors liars, or reckon they know better than the overwhelming majority of climate experts when it comes to whether or not climate change is real.

Apparently we're climate change deniers. Not sure what that has to do with sexual strategy but ya know how it is... everything is about sex, right?

[–]akolyteofthecentury26 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy

Climate Change is racist against polar bears and sexist for making men turn up the AC while we walk around the office in skimpy clothes. Not Fair REEEEEE

[–]Rian_Stone3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

So rediculous, that whatever we read next looks factual by comparison

[–]justshitposterthings3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Not sure what that has to do with sexual strategy

They constantly try to tie TRPers/right wingers/GamerGaters/etc etc together in order to make the boogeyman seem worse than it is.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think this is a product of intersectional third wave feminism. You cant challenge anything without threatening the entire edifice, so anyone who questions them for any reason is equally dangerous and essentially equivalent.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ironically, the overton window is essentially the executive branch of the feminine imperative. So, it's operating as intended.


Women have managed to label everything that goes against women's best interests as sexist, and simultaneously to make "sexist" be comparable in social status to being a racist pedophile.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I couldn't read more than 2 paragraphs of that shit article, but i'm pretty sure you could use the Glosarry of Shaming Tactics on it and go: Check, Check, Double-Check, Check, Bingo!

[–]LuvBeer2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Any time they open this type of article to comments, which isn't often, I'm reassured that normal males have a future.

[–]B_Campbell1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah. No arguments or counter points made. Just name calling.

[–]spermface0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Eh, I wouldn't stray there....being reported on is no indication whatsoever in validity....we're still talking about epic historical failures on a daily basis 80 years later.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The bluepilled by definition are unable to connect ideas or philosophies to real world truths and situations. This is fundamentally what makes them bp.

[–][deleted] 129 points130 points  (18 children) | Copy

The narratives created by TRP, in my opinion, are myths to enable its users to justify rejection, overcome a lack of self-confidence and are the result of a crippling power complex.

i went from being an early 30s loser who had 2 bluepill relationships horribly crash and burn. i only had sex with a few women in my life. TRP turned me into a guy who can pick up most women in a bar, and i crush it on bumble/tinder. i've had sex with more gorgeous women in my 30s than all the rest of my life combined, many times over.

when i found TRP, i was already ultra-confident, but i wanted more on techniques and understanding of why women do things, and actual data on dating strategies. as i read PUA and TRP techniques, i found PUA to be parlor trick type manipulation that often doesn't work. i found that TRP is a sexual strategy that revolves around (1) understanding how women truly think, and (2) improving yourself into a high value person based on how women truly think. some of the guys in TRP actually posted data, links to studies, etc.

i never see counters to TRP theory/truths... no one ever says "that's false, here's why." it's always SHAME SHAME SHAME SHAME. that's not an argument. that's an admission of defeat. if a goofy ass motherfucker like me can become a bachelor playboy through TRP, any of you fuckers can do it too.

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (1 child) | Copy

Her shame tactics help us, imho. They keep the gullible far away; and they spark curiosity in those with a niggling feeling of disagreement with the author.

[–]lopsidedlucky2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's a good point. Her language makes it clear there is truth here for those that can see it. Most people throwing up that much bullshit are usually trying to hide something.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Shame shame shame stop asking so many damn questions. Why do you wanna have sex so much? Women arent just pieces of meat asshole. Just be yourself and keep doing what you've been doing and you'll do fine.

[–]SovereignSoul762 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

But the meat asshole is my favorite part...

[–]1empatheticapathetic12 points13 points  (9 children) | Copy

How were you ultra confident but a early 30s loser?

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (7 children) | Copy

i was confident but still terrible with women. i'd do blue pill shit thinking that's what girls liked. i was in dead end betabux blue pill relationships.

[–]Frdl18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is exactly it. We've been taught to bend over backwards for women; to be their prince charming/knight in shining armor. That's what women want: a doormat. Complete and utter bullshit. I've read enough divorce horror stories to know this is such a dangerous dynamic that's permeated western culture for decades, and MEN are paying the price for it.

[–]lopsidedlucky1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is why TRP is so important. Boy are being indoctrinated with disney bullshit to follow the feminine imperative and when they become men follow the very rules that cause women's vaginas to dry up and leave them crushed and poor.

TRP is here to wake those men up before it happens or help them after it does to prevent it from happening again.

[–]1empatheticapathetic4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

If you had a normal level of self respect and boundaries that comes being confident, im surprised the women's actions within your relationships didn't push you to developing normal RP type boundaries.

[–]lipidsly5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

Ignorance is bliss man. You can be so confident yet so obviously wrong

[–]1empatheticapathetic3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Confidence for me is highly tied with boundaries and self esteem. I'm simply wondering how with high confidence he would be missing the other two integral components.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

believing in all the knight-in-shining-armor bullshit, that women want a man to engage in self sacrifice, and that when a guy does this, it's "attractive."

[–]lipidsly0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Because he wrongly believes himself to be worthy of high self esteem and that boundaries arent necessary

[–]EightyTimes8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

In the moment, the old version of themselves thought they were the shit despite not having accomplished much.

New person, having found a new perspective, looks back on how they used to be and their old accomplishments and says "what a loser I was back then."

[–]Endorsed Contributorsqerl[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your journey is the same journey so many men have discovered. TRP helps men become aware of this journey then identify ways to maximize it's potential. It's not a power complex as the author opines, it's accepting and seeing reality for what it is. Welcome to the red pill.

[–]Tie5o111 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

i never see counters to TRP theory/truths... no one ever says "that's false, here's why." it's always SHAME SHAME SHAME SHAME. that's not an argument. that's an admission of defeat. if a goofy ass motherfucker like me can become a bachelor playboy through TRP, any of you fuckers can do it too

This. The Vice article was yet another hit piece that didnt actually address a single substantive point the Red Pill makes.

[–]wanderer77937 points38 points  (1 child) | Copy

Also - if you are here from vice and are tired of constantly striking out with women and reading media that habitually attacks men and deifies women, you're in the right place.

[–]SonOfSparda3042 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Are they gonna realize you mean vice? Probably not. They follow the "I'm a male feminist so women will like me" narrative and actually believe it.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet37 points38 points  (6 children) | Copy

Thanks for the free publicity, VICE.

[–]Gay4Pancakes 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I'm pretty sure I saw a Vice article once that was about one of their writers doing a 30 day experiment of using his own cum as moisturizer.

[–]SonOfSparda3043 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Didnt they also do the cum-cocktail drinks or was that nowthis?

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's not a hitpiece. It's not yellow journalism. This is giving the author too much credit.

Stuff like the Vice article are the inevitable consequence of internet media, which is driven by clicks and shares, e.g. by pandering to an audience segment — not telling people new information and viewpoints, but reinforcing what they ALREADy believe.

Here's what happens to produce articles like this:

Some bright, enterprising kid graduates with a liberal arts degree, a MacBook, a carefully cultivated sarcastic persona, and a boatload of debt.

They move to NYC or a major city, and—joy of joys!—land a job at a red-hot media property. Now, they can not only keep churning out sarcastic hot-takes and ironically uncapitalized tweets, they'll actually get PAID to do it — and develop a "following" along the way. Blue star on Twitter. Plus, dogs allowed in the office, wear jeans to work, and beer on Fridays. Life is good.

Until a few things happen.

First, they come face-to-face with the bitter truth that when the metric of success is clicks and shares, the content that wins is the most nakedly pandering content. Which means they aren't journalists, roving the world for interesting stories and producing a unique viewpoint on them. They're marketers. Their job is to churn out crap that gets clicks and shares. That's it.

In other words, their job is not to be objective; it's to bounce back their audience's viewpoints at them. Remember, VICE's audience are insecure millennial narcissists. They aren't interested in objectivity, and they certainly aren't interested in questioning the narrative in any way. That's not how the game is played.

So in a weird way, I actually respect writers like this. They've figured out a way to be successful, and they're doing it.

Of course, it's making them into repulsive human beings who are enslaved to pandering to an equally repulsive audience. Most of them struggle with some level of depression, substance abuse and anomie. Nothing is sacred; they don't exercise, they don't eat right, and they spend their waking hours hunched over a computer. This is pitiable. But it is what it is.

There have always been people like this. Now the internet gives them a voice. We can't do anything about it; we can just keep our focus on living healthy and productive lives that make the world better. Let them have their cynicism. It's all they actually have.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman20 points21 points  (18 children) | Copy

The article is glorious.

But instead, in TRP world, women do lie about rape and do like to be treated like shit.

Of course, this would never ever happen in The Real WorldTM .

Except, people on the left generally don't call rape survivors liars

No, they just call liars "rape survivors".

And much like the way Brexit rhetoric was built on a bed of falsities, reinforced and regurgitated with authority,

Because progressives would never do such a thing. (don't get me started about the bullshit I've read in German newspapers about the incredible human potential that was finding its way to Germany in the wake of the refugee crisis)

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Rape survivor" is bullshit. It's rarely ever a life threatening event. You know what's life threatening? Car accidents. But you dont see anybody calling them 'car accident survivors'? Virtue signaling to the max. But your social standing goes to zero if you point that out.

[–]1Metalageddon17 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy

: shrug:

I expected this from vice. Heck, I expect it from most popcorn media.

To all the newcomers, try reading the sidebar. Form your own opinion. Try, this once, to divorce yourself from what you believe to what is objective in function.

See where you fall on that once you have both sides.

See quite a few of you, soon. You'll be back.

[–]10xdada16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy

Mensrights will never be a threat to the SJW agenda. Men who take responsibility and transform themselves with work are an existential threat.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is the fundamental message of Jordan Peterson. You can’t change the world if you don’t fix yourself first. Don’t try fixing the economy at 18 when you can’t even organize your room.

It’s interesting that TRP and some random professor from Canada has arrived at the same conclusion through different means.

[–]lopsidedlucky2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's not interesting at all. It's the path the male mind will travel using logic and introspection. There are hundreds of thousands of men in the western world coming to the same conclusions.

[–]SilverGryphon13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

One of the incredible feats of TRP is how it's managed to pack so much clout behind the ideas it purports.

It is obvious that TRP is gaining traction and women are losing orbiters on a daily basis. They see the ever growing redpill/MGTOW/men's rights movements are a threat to the status quo. I expect major changes to the social structure in the coming decade, where more and more men are unplugging from the matrix.

As the author rightfully states:

it's that those who feel ignored have finally managed to wield the most power.

I myself managed to convince my brother to read into the red pill theory and he changed himself for the good. I also told a close friend about it and he is the process of changing too. If an average guy like me is able to convince two other men to stop being orbiters, think of the "damage" a whole sub could cause. It's no surprise that feminists are panicking about the growth of the red pill community.

Eventually, gone would be the days where women would enjoy the free luxuries thrown at them by beta orbiters. With an ever growing population of red pill aware men, women would have to start doing the dirty work themselves if they are to survive, just as we men have been doing since prehistory. After all they wanted gender equality and henceforth they should work just as hard as a man. But we all know that they want gender equality only when it suits them.

[–]Redmajora39 points40 points  (15 children) | Copy

why did the authour politicise this place?

its neither left or right leaning. just a group of men using the information here as a toolbelt to improve their perceived shortcomings.

this is the video that is alluded to in the article. the context of it has nothing to do with MRA vs Feminism. its a more elitest individual proclaiming their opponent is more elitest than they are, only to be proved wrong by their opponent.

the article really feels as though its grasping at straws to condemn this place. it pulls in random political snippets of information that has no relevance or links to this place, other than the false dichotomy that left is pro-women and the right is anti-women.

what's more is that the authour didn't even bother to read the sidebar. disingenuous beyond belief.

[–]EminemLovesGrapes41 points42 points  (7 children) | Copy

It's VICE. That's what they've turned into. Along with many other journalists.

Step 1 : Find a fringe group with some different views.

Step 2 : Paint them off as another group of white angry men.. bonus points for saying they're "Alt-right"

Step 3: Somehow spin the story into that they're what's wrong with America and they somehow caused all this misery.

Back in 2012ish I loved to watch VICE. They had interesting documentaries that filmed things from a perspective where they never really "judged" what they were documenting. Maybe an offhand comment. But that was it.

Nowadays vice just posts documentaries and articles with as much narrative pushing malarky as they can shove in there.

[–]Rian_Stone8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

They were better back before Gavin was booted

[–]Bing400 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Why was he booted? Didn't he co-found it?

[–]Rian_Stone1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Internet is full of knowledge.

It was a Canadian grant that they took advantage of with some Haitians. Aparently was just supposed to scam for free government money, but it took off.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

VICE = misandry propaganda machine

[–]EminemLovesGrapes8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not just misandry. Vice is just a "hipster" opinion machine.

The type of people that say we should accept everyone. Doesn't matter how much of a snowflake you are!

While in truth you should only strive for tolerance.

The type of people that say women have it so much worse and that men have it so easy and they're bitter and angry.

While in truth women and men deal with different issues. Women show these issues overtly. Meaning they can solve them and blame us. While men shove them inwardly. Meaning it's invisible to them. We suffer alone.

America is a shithole and the only thing organizations like vice and many others are doing is making the divide in America grow larger by making clickbait bullshit to collect more ad revenue.

This is a perfect example. This got posted to TRP. Kotakuinaction. These two subs are big and you gotta guess many people read the article and maybe even a few idiots started acting exactly like "muh angry men" to prove their point.

Were just another target. It'll pass. As long as we stay out of the spotlights of groups on twitter and Tumblr that start harassment campaigns, were alright.

[–]g8TUNESbra-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

You just made it political again

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

sexual marketplace is the realm of RP, and the sexual marketplace is amoral and apolitical.

Left, center, right you are still in the same Game.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

why did the authour politicise this place?

Standard reactionary politics. The problem is they never read ahead in the book to the part where they eat their own. Every. Single. Time.

[–]SonOfSparda3041 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

"The warnings come after the spells."

[–]GrimsterrOP11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fuckin Pseudo Journalists don't read everything and just throw out blatant assumptions

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Welcome to the vice squad. At least half of the visitors will stop and go "wait a minute", and then there will be no turning back.

[–]biggerbetterjobs11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

I wonder how many dudes the author of this article banged who regularly browse TRP.. lolol

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm not a big red piller, I stop in here from time to time to read some things as I think you guys make a lot of good points.

But I just wanted to say all Vice and Viceland related things are typically bullshit. Usually highly sensationalized, low on facts, high on opinions, inaccurate bull shit. Some stuff they show is okay but after watching two seasons of their shit, it became obvious that much of it was scripted and written to fit a narrative.

They will twist what you say, portray you in a bad light to fit their liberal/sjw agenda, and you will not be shown favorably. You just gotta say "fuck it, who cares, it's all bullshit anyway."

[–]B_uckets12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

> Men's Rights Activist Forum

> The Red Pill


[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (3 children) | Copy

Red pill exists because no one knows the rules for the interaction of the sexes in our society anymore. We need some sets of guiding principals to make order out of the chaos. Progressives tore down 2,000 years of accumulated social norms and customs in less than a generation and replaced it with nothing.

[–]1Metalageddon21 points22 points  (1 child) | Copy

Not nothing.

It's worse.

They replaced it with contradictory rule sets and expectations. Ham fisted and double standardized.

It's turned from "quelling" to "damaging" within the last 15 to 20 years.

[–]lopsidedlucky5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly this. Nothing would have at least allowed men to rediscover on their own naturally. Now their indoctrinated to act against their own best interests.

[–]AsianGurlsHawt12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

I come here for the real truths about society and dating, not the PC culture, sugar coated, feel good lies.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsqerl[🍰] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

The narratives created by TRP, in my opinion, are myths to enable its users to justify face rejection, overcome a lack of self-confidence and are the result of a crippling discover inner power in a complex sexual marketplace.

The author almost understood TRP. Like so many here, they just a little bit of help in seeing it thru.

[–]GunsGermsAndSteel7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

The only thing the red pill has really taught me about women is to pay attention not to what is requested, but what is EFFECTIVE.

And that's a good policy whether you're dealing with women, or other men, or your boss, or anyone else. Don't listen to what they say, listen to what they do.

Once I got that through my head, I was happier, and the women I encountered were happier, too.

[–]Kalepsis6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

That was interesting to read. As a subscriber to this sub for at least 4 years, I found it mildly amusing that the author, who can't spell "peddle" correctly and thinks "falsities" is a word, is trying so hard to convince his readers to conflate this sub with the deeply unpopular and unstable Trump presidency and the alt-right in general. Sure, it may be true that a majority of the people here support the president and conservatism in general, but he obviously didn't pay attention to anything this sub actually provides.

Does anyone here actually hate women? No. There are more than a few losers new to TRP who are in the anger phase because they're finding out the Disney Life Experience shoved down their throats since age 5 is a lie, who are trying to improve themselves and their understanding of human nature and gender dynamics so that they can stop being losers. I include myself in that category. We're here to learn. Not to hate. There is a huge difference between being a misogynist and making yourself better so you can be happier in the future. If you truly hate women, you don't belong here. Maybe try MGTOW. If you support the orange crybaby snowflake in the White House, there's a RP politics sub for you where you can heap praises on him all you want; more power to you... Speaking your mind is not illegal yet.

I am here to improve the quality of my life. I'm sure many, if not most, of you, my fellow assholes, are here to do the same.

Rant over. Time for another set. Can someone spot me?

[–]Trucks_N_Chainsaws0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Two things:
1) How the fuck did an actual penis-wielding man write that much effeminate trash?
2) Did you just assume his/her/xer/zer/bbq's gender? You fucking pig.

[–]Kalepsis1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, I'm so insensitive to the gender fluidity of today's post-modern culture. My bad.

[–]Roaring40sUK24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yellow Journalism? I couldnt see ANY journalism in that piece..

[–]TheSKSpecial6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

How many times has this happened, somebody makes a post or writes an article crying about TRP and the sub gets a spike in subscribers? 4? 5? 10?

[–]15640015 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well, that's what this author sees from her point of view. I can see some of it, disagree with most, and disregard the rest. Since reviving my journey of personal growth, of which TRP is a part, my life has less and less to do with being "mediated" by the media--less to do with consuming and more to do with creating.

I try not to drink the Kool-Aid here or in the MSM.

[–]og_babytelli4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

This article couldn't even be further from the truth. I usually just lurk, but it's filled with so much bullshit that I had to comment.

Since I've found this sub my life has improved drastically for the better. I was doing ok before but I can hands down say that all aspects of my life: social, mental, emotional, financial etc. have improved just from stumbling upon this sub and applying some of what I have read in my life (I loved lifting/sports already but there's also some solid advice on that too).

I'm not going to say it's the perfect sub(what even is perfection?) but it is a place that you can get guidance and knowledge on important aspects of life that no one really talks about/teaches young men about these days.

The biggest message that any new person on this sub should take away is that of constant self improvement. What you choose to improve is personal but it isn't about just picking up girls, misogyny and being "alpha".

The "journalist" took one piece of what is sometimes posted and just ran with that angle to fit her narrative, shit's sad because I actually respected Vice's material. Why would you even come on TRP to "understand the right" more? Shit, somebody sign me up to be a journalist if I can just write bullshit, not even do the right research and still get paid.

[–]imn0tg00d1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

And also, most posts here need to be filtered out because any idiot can post here. You can only really trust stuff on the sidebar.

[–]wtf_is_taken2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

i don't even understand how she considers this alt-right. alt-truth is more like it.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Everything to the right of Mao is alt-right now.

[–]rdesktop75 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Link to another article in that archived article: "Why Australian Men's Rights Activists Had Their Bullshit Documentary Banned"

huh.. Biased "journalism" anyone?

[–]Whoneedspacee4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Men = Evil (because you disagree with me)

Nothing new to be honest.

[–]tuyguy4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

That author didn't get anything right. From her interpretation of alpha widows to post-wall to the alt right, she didn't even come close to understanding what happens here.

[–]B_Campbell4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Jesus. What a read. Ugh. We're all alt-right now? Half TRP isn't even white. How did telling you to lift, dress well, and be successful and interesting if you want to attract the opposite sex make us Nazis. I hate Nazis and Trump.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

They just want to conveniently conflate anyone they don't like with Nazis.

Republicans, Trump supporters, the red pill, actual despicable fucking Nazis, North Koreans, men's Rights, the manosphere, anyone else they disagree with = the alt-right

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor11 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy

They write an article about us but there are no references to us. I bet she'll be working at CNN within 6 months.

[–]clint_bronson0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

she'll be working within a week

[–]totalcornhole-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

I mean you can just browse the sub for five minutes and it confirms most of the major things she pointed out. How do you figure there are no sources - it's all right here.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your comment confirms my theory that your hallucinations don’t stop when you encounter ideas you disagree with.

[–]kellykebab8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Didn't read that article past the description of a "typical Reddit user." What a fantasy. Reddit is populated by millions of people. Check out any forum's post requesting commenter selfies and you will see how many redditors look completely normal. The site skews male and white, but that's it. It's pretty mainstream.

Vice is like the younger brother who finds out about the cool band 3 years too late, completely misunderstands it, and then pretends to be an expert. It's like they're fueled by insecurity and laziness.

[–]nsummy2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Am I missing something or is that article from December 2016?

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

It is, but I saw it's making the rounds again.

[–]un-supervised-savage0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Probably due to the The Red Pill documentary that came out November 2016 that said this sub seeks to use the current system to our advantage. They figured it could generate more clicks recycling it.

[–]billsmashole3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I find it ironic that she gerealizes us after saying we generalize women. I think a lot of what she brought up was factually correct, but I don't think we're all alt right Trump supporters and I don't see why our political views should matter. This is in my opinion a subreddit dedicated to the improvement of man so that he can be comfortable dealing with women.

[–]Sensei_Hensei3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Which one of you bastards been talking about fight club?

[–]NeoreactionSafe21 points22 points  (6 children) | Copy


False Flags and Fake News are everywhere these days.

And be aware...


  • It's Only Getting Worse


Add in censorship (which is way up) and we are under a full scale attack by the Globalist Tyranny trying to prevent any awakening from happening.


  • Truth is never Popular


If it's an important Truth then it exposes a crime.

Crimes are part of the control system.

Just like in the "Matrix" the control system sends "Agents" within the system to confuse and redirect (or destroy) those who are waking up.


  • Cue fight scene of Neo versus the "Agents".


We are deeper into the Matrix movie now... way past first taking the Red Pill.

The system is releasing anti-bodies as "Agents".


[–]poorimaginations10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

True. Seems free speech is falling out of favour. In it's place fascism grows complete with censorship and violent suppression of dissenters.

Too bad. I was hoping we as a civilisation would be shooting for the stars by now, instead we seem to be aiming for the gutter both intellectually and metaphorically.

[–]NeoreactionSafe3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy


We are being cornered and softened up for the kill.

Unless we find ways to escape the future will be a "prison planet"

And that's assuming many even survive as significant culling (deaths) are in the plan to reduce human population down to half a billion.

That means billions must somehow be erased before the plan is completed.

It will make the last century look peaceful by comparison.


[–]un-supervised-savage0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I had to rewatch the matrix movie trilogy. Saw so much more of the movie this time than I did 14 years ago.

[–]NeoreactionSafe0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy


Yeah I'm starting to realize not only is the Red Pill / Blue Pill thing real, but the Agents are inevitably going to appear and start to do everything they can to destroy us and transform our clarity into confusion.

We are into the later parts of the movie now.

The Red Pill has been taken and the "Anti-Bodies" ("Antifa") are active.

Agents have also activated other things like Fake Nazi and Fake KKK entities.

Fake News has spun so far out there that everyone is scratching their heads and saying:


  • "What the fuck are these news people saying... this is nuts."


[–]un-supervised-savage0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I'm old enough to see the changes to media and the left since the 90's and early 2000's. I remember CNN was much more reasonable in their criticism of Bush then. Hell I considered myself liberal once but liberalism now is almost terrorist like.

[–]NeoreactionSafe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


The first really, really big False Flag was 911.

For a decade I was an absolute true believer in the entire "official narrative" because I just couldn't believe the MSM would consciously lie to us.

Then I started looking at youtube videos of the Building 7 just falling down at the speed of gravity while suffering no significant damage and never being hit with a plane.

After that you find out more about how the Enron files "just by coindence" were placed in the building and had been lost.

And more...

And more...

And more...

The evidence piles up higher and higher until you get a Paradigm Shift where you begin to realize this was not as it seemed.


At this point the Globalist Tyranny seems pretty much exposed.

Only the low effort, low IQ, well trained beta males and clueless females still hang onto the idea everything Blue Pill (MSM) is real.


  • Truth is the Alternative to Falsity


So these days we have the "Alternative" view which seeks the Truth.

The Red Pill seeks the Truth and the Blue Pill is the mythology which is False.

And this seems to be more and more understood with each day.

Even the recent false flag that went against the "Alternative" people seems to have failed.

No one falls for the tricks anymore... or fewer at least.


[–]Physical_removal6 points7 points  (10 children) | Copy

Hey trp, one of you should pick up this author and fuck her brains out, then come back here and post a field report

That would be

Very funny

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt[S] 11 points12 points  (9 children) | Copy

edit: that was mean and I have no idea what she looks like.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

If she's writing crap like this, I wouldn't get my hopes up

[–]imn0tg00d1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

Idk man. I've had sex with plenty of feminists. I remember one of them telling me in bed that I was exactly what she stood against, but fucked me anyways.

[–]un-supervised-savage0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Me too. When They see you and know they want to fuck you before you even start talking then you just let them say their piece. I don't even pretend to agree with them. It really funny to see the Hamster start spinning out of control in their heads as you methodically disprove and call them out on their Hypocritical BS with facts they can't refute.

[–]imn0tg00d1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Dude its a fool's errand to argue with them! I just have a strong enough frame to where I dont acknowledge what they said and just keep going with whatever I was talking about.

If you try to argue with a feminist you're going to lose because of the way society has framed everything. We are now getting lumped in with the alt-right and Nazis. We know that's not true, but your frame cant win against that, just ignore the argument altogether.

[–]un-supervised-savage0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

This was before I discovered the red pill. I realize it's a waste of time. I wouldn't bother now. I will say that in this case It got me a hot lay. She was really swayed however at least while I was fucking/plating her I didn't hear about it again. And the fact that she already decided that she was going to fuck me probably factored in to her backing down. I will say this woman must have been surrounded by less than average intelligence men because she really was blown away by me and I'm no genius.

[–]imn0tg00d0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Thats just what she told you to feed your ego. Girls know how to flatter way better than guys do.

[–]un-supervised-savage0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yup. What's funny is that she'd try to "repair my ego" after trying to hurt it with her gross display of misandry.

[–]phoenix_maestro8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

"It's a home for the self-proclaimed 'beta-male' rejects."

It's more like a school for the"beta-male" rejects, and it works.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

When will the media learn...

Every time they attack a group or "ideology" or whatever we are (Digital Frat house?), all they do is make the subject popular. Does anybody honestly think that any Vice readers who turn up here won't stick around for a bit, maybe read the sidebar and work out

"Holy shit, some of what is said here resonates with me and my life"

All they'll do is drive up subscribers and give TRP more clout. Well done MSM, Slow Clap

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

You spend a month on a subreddit and you can barely muster a few meager paragraphs? I can guarantee you that woman spent no more than 4 hours around here.

The whole article kinda reads like it's been patched up on a two hour notice.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil9 points10 points  (7 children) | Copy

I wonder what percentage of our subscribers found us because of articles written by Jewish women like Ruby Lott Lavigne?

[–]ARUKET6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

What does them being Jewish have to do with anything? It's not like Jews are extremely over-represented in feminist circles as well as all other leftist movements...

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

Feed a woman a diet of bagles and cream cheese. Spoil her with an above average lifestyle and tell her that she deserves the world. Complain about everything all the time and have you wife nag you as much as possible. That's the secret recepie for a She Jew.

When She Jews realize that all the hot goys don't want to date fat annoying nagy shrews they write articles about why masculinity is bad. No one getting creampied by Chad on the reg is writing anti masculinity articles.

[–]Patriarchysaurus3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

You forgot a matriarchal domination complex. No she-Jew is complete without that!

[–]causeandcorrelation1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I came here from an internal reddit link that was vilifying the place. It took me a while to understand. Even longer to build hope through my new nihilism. Nevertheless. The advertising helps men. Helps us buy encouragement of criticism and challenge.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Bears wolves and dogs all live without morality and are perfectly happy. An existence without ideology or morality doesn't have to be a negative one. The only reason why nihilism has a negative connotation is because Nietzsche was a negative guy. If some woman sucked him off I'm sure he would have had a more positive spin on the whole thing.

[–]causeandcorrelation2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think the difference is that; in getting one's nob gobbled you get a sense of a gobblin in the future. As Nietzsche himself contended; the difference between man and the animals is that man is able to imagine the future and expend effort to actualisation results on it. Animals only have the present and their instincts for inputs into Immediate behaviour. Nihilism is simply that hopelessness that that the future holds nothing. That's what's so hard about TRP. We need to change what the future looks like for ourselves. Nihilism is the step between unicorn oneitis and the understanding that one needs to meet particular requisites of performance before hope in an alternative future is possible.

It's probably semantics at this point.

[–]slumdog-millionaire 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

That article reeks of arrogance and stereotypes. I'm nowhere near the alt-right, I'm borderline fucking communist actually, I don't nor have I ever worn a fedora, more successful with women than all my friends.

This guy writes off this sub as misogyny but clearly doesn't realize that it's about adding value to men's lives, despite having spent almost a month here.

Worst of all, he sounds like a blue pill white knight who has no idea of how relationships between the sexes or even people for that matter work.

[–]clint_bronson0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

that added value must be redistributed, wouldn't you agree?

[–]slumdog-millionaire 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

absolutely, share the knowledge, lift each other up

[–]clint_bronson0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

But you know, someone always stands out, its not like we're all equal. Those with more value got there by exploiting us less valuable men.

[–]Gallobrax5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy

The unfortunate truth is that to those still plugged in we look like some of the most vile and manipulative individuals on the face of the planet. I mean think of it in their terms: instead of letting "the magic of love" and being yourself dictate intergender dynamics we are in an almost psychopathic manner conning women through pick up artistry and inflated egos. Of course while not true What they will never get is that some of us are here due to the tremendous betrayal we felt when we found out that this concept was a lie. They will also never view TRP as I and others do: as a theoretical science. Thus, as we cannot prevent these instances we should use them to our advantage as for as long as this sub and corresponding communities gets the hate it receives the great majority will ignore the wealth of knowledge and expertise we present.

It doesn't surprise me one bit that this is the product of vice news. Not one bit.

[–]totalcornhole 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I don't get it - I've come to this sub and I have the exact same impression as the article writer. This is exactly who you people are. Is reality difficult that to confront?

[–]chopcult3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

We understand you're emotional and prone to mood swings, hence your edit.

You offer the happy relationship "standard" when '50 Shades of Grey" is the fastest selling book of all time behind the Bible.

Most of us stumbled upon TRP just to understand that dichotomy and now do.

We stayed for the self-improvement and for armor against cultural shaming and the emotional feminist imperative. The Ritalin was effective short term.

If you want to be angry take on evolutionary biology. That or come here and try your shaming. Same result.

[–]2Dmva1005 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Always a woman going after TRP with these articles. Hey she got pumped and dumped by a Red Pill Chad.

[–]SiulaGrande5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

i fucking love you mods, thank you so much for everything you do for this community and all the hours you guys spend collectively running it. thank you so much

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's vice. This has to be the least threatening attack yet

[–]DisidntAggrssor1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

been reading articles and discussions on TRP for years. A great source for self improvement with a dosage of true reality, the brutal truth is rare in most journalism, but it is absolutely necessary to understand how to turn the world into an enjoyable, and fruitful place for an individual. In face to face discussions, people don't often have as open conversations as they do here, regarding the important and necessary steps a successful male must observe and navigate through the modern world.

I personally went through some unnecessarily difficult times with the women I chose to date and chase before I found TRP, after some introspection and concepts better understood here I managed to establish a continuing and very enjoyable LTR.

[–]life0361 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

About that article: I'm gettin' real fucking sick of people trying to make it like this place or men's rights is full of conservatives. I'm as fucking left as they come and I would never vote for Trump in any universe. I'm all for equality but I draw the line at people trying to be more equal than others. Just because we call people out on their illogical bullshit doesn't make us alt-right or Trump supporters.

[–]NSA-HQ1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The interesting thing is that TRP membership will grow because of this.

a small % of people will read an article bashing us and come on over

"Wow- they are making some great points actually"

And will stay...

As OP said- we welcome the hit articles... Intelligent people see through them and our truth spreads.

[–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is exactly the misdirection I said would occur because MRAs appropriated the term 'Red Pill' for their misguided documentary The Red Pill.

Not sorry AVfM you own this shit now. Cassie Jaye is laughing at your pathetic lives all the way to the bank now.

[–]Charrington840 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is another part of what /u/redpillschool mentioned in his post from last week, "Censoring the Internet". The media found a scapegoat that nobody would defend (kkk, nazis) and used them to justify censorship of ideas (these ideas promote violence, therefore it is reasonable to curtail free speech).

Now as was mentioned in the comments under that post, that censorship can possibly be used to censor other discussions, like trp. It's not a stretch at all to imagine groups calling for a ban of our ideas, citing that trp ideas lead to violence against women. This vice article is trying to tie trp to the "alt-right" and white supremacist groups.

The problem with mentioning all this is that it sounds so conspiratorial, like there are players pulling strings in the background manipulating the direction of society and directing people like this vice writer to author hit pieces like this linking us to hate groups. It could be, but I think we are just seeing the zeitgeist of our times in action.

Hold fast and wait for the pendulum to swing back around.

[–]LavaPipe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That article is such trash lol. Of course a woman would gladly deny truths of the sexual marketplace. I used to be in denial of this sub-Reddit too when I was younger but the things talked about here and the sidebar material has rang true time and time again.

Any newcomers, I recommend you come here with an open mind and really try to understand the ideas that are written. Compare them to what you've witnessed in your life. There is a lot to be learned here even if it doesn't align perfectly with your beliefs.

[–]-ATLAS-_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Honestly I wonder what made her so attracted to coming here. She was here for a week on her own accord, obviously nobody invited her, and there's no requirement to stay.

When I'm repulsed from a place, I leave. She stayed for a week.

[–]SgtBrutalisk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The result is that she becomes a "damaged woman accustomed to a tier of man she can no longer attract". Or, as TRP bros will say, she becomes "post wall"

Jesus Christ, this woman didn't get anything.

[–]Redditgavemecancer96 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I could not bother to get through that article. But on anotger note I never understood why there is so much obsession with the alpha male thing on this sub. I was reading something on here yesterday that was telling me I need to treat my wife like she belonged to me. Make it an expectation for her to be subservient and do all the chores. I was cracking up it was too funny.

[–]MelodyMyst12 points13 points  (4 children) | Copy

If you are in a relationship one of you is in control. Wouldn't you rather it be you?

When you are reading here please substitute the word Leader in place of alpha male.

After you have done that for a bit ask yourself if you are the Leader of your life or are you led...

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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