"The Red Pill" is the #1 best selling movie on YouTube in Sweden!

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Not quite. Feminism also contains an assumption about the existence of inequality. Take this definition:

the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes.

These definitions keep being watered down to hide the underlying assumption but it is still there: a feminist advocates for women's rights because they believe that leads to more equality.

This doesn't require the belief to be true and, in practice, feminists don't ever care if it's actually true. For example, researching how many women are "sexually assaulted", sometimes including the "male gaze" in that definition (we were just talking about this one yesterday), and pretty much never looking in anywhere near as much "detail" at sexual assault of males. Or how about the fucking "wage gap" which is a deliberate attempt to present a financial disparity between the sexes but fails if you ever scrutinize the differential, especially when you look to see who is actually spending the money.

To summarize, no, feminism isn't just "women's rights", it's "women's rights plus an assumption." Feminism and Men's Rights are zero sum because the existence and nature of the problems men face are at odds with feminism's assumption about reality. You might as well be arguing that Scientific Creationism and Geology aren't a zero sum game.

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This is absolutely incorrect.

Feminism is NOT about the equality of gender. It is the advancement of the rights of women.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism

Feminism is a range of political movements, ideologies, and social movements that share a common goal: to define, establish, and achieve political, economic, personal, and social rights for women.

The logical opposite of Men's Rights would be Women's Rights. Also attached with feminism are theories and myths among them, the wage gap, male gaze theory and rape culture, all under the lovely banner of patriarchy.

MRAs cannot work with feminists simply because the latter group blames all of societies ills on men. To fix issues that plague men, MRAs have to work with people who do not have this bias and simply want to work for the betterment of everyone. You have to let go of this patriarchy theory, but once you do, you are no longer a feminist.

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Feminism

Feminism is a range of political movements, ideologies, and social movements that share a common goal: to define, establish, and achieve political, economic, personal, and social rights for women. This includes seeking to establish educational and professional opportunities for women that are equal to such opportunities for men.

Feminist movements have campaigned and continue to campaign for women's rights, including the right to vote, to hold public office, to work, to earn fair wages or equal pay, to own property, to receive education, to enter contracts, to have equal rights within marriage, and to have maternity leave. Feminists have also worked to promote bodily autonomy and integrity, and to protect women and girls from rape, sexual harassment, and domestic violence.

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Description	A "red pill" meme tweeted by one conservative politician to another is yet further evidence the men's rights and pickup artist movements have become mainstreamed, relying on the naivety of decent Canadians, a University of Calgary professor says. On Monday, Conservative Party of Canada leadership candidate Maxime Bernier tweeted at Wildrose MLA Derek Fildebrandt a meme stating: "Take the red pill, Vote Mad Max." The term "red pill" was popularized in the 1999 film The Matrix, when the characte...
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Selective Service System

The Selective Service System is an independent agency of the United States government that maintains information on those potentially subject to military conscription. Virtually all male U.S. citizens and male immigrant non-citizens between the ages of 18 and 25 are required by law to have registered within 30 days of their 18th birthdays and must notify Selective Service within ten days of any changes to any of the information they provided on their registration cards, like a change of address. A 2010 GAO report estimated the registration rate at 92% with the names and addresses of over 16.2 million men on file. However, the only audit of the addresses of registrants on file with the Selective Service System, in 1982, found that 20–40% of the addresses on file with the Selective Service System for registrants in the age groups that would be drafted first were already outdated, and up to 75% for those registrants in their last year of potential eligibility to be drafted would be invalid.

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A minority of states restrict voting if you've been convicted of a felony. Anyone, of either gender, who has been convicted of a felony, is restricted from voting for as long as they live in one of those states. The following quotes are from link you provided:

A 2010 GAO report estimated the registration rate at 92% with the names and addresses of over 16.2 million men on file.

That means there are lots of men running around who haven't complied with the draft, but weren't arrested or tried for it.

Also,

The last prosecution for non-registration was in January 1986. In interviews published in U.S. News & World Report in May 2016, current and former Selective Service System officials said that in 1988, the Department of Justice and Selective Service agreed to suspend any further prosecutions of nonregistrants.

Why you won't go to jail even if you don't register:

A principal element for conviction under the Act is proving a violation of the Act was intentional (knowing and willful). In the opinion of legal experts, this is almost impossible to prove unless there is evidence of a prospective defendant knowing about his obligation to register and intentionally chose not to do so.

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Her campaign wasn't anti-male any more than it was feminist. She at most used a few phrases and vague promises that had no weight but would get a crowd of college feminists cheering.

Most of the 'feminism' in her campaign was just going on and on about how she would be the first woman president. It was even in her campaign slogan "I'm with her" its accompanying logo. Get it because the H stands for Hillary and also Her and isn't that just so empowering oh my gosh!

That was a major flaw on her part that the little gimmick there only resonated with a small number of college age women, which meant that to everyone else she effectively had no real branding for to spark their interest. Nothing to cheer in a crowd and nothing worth putting on a bumper sticker.

There wasn't enough to her campaign to allow room for any anti-male sentiment. Where on earth do you get that idea.

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I agree traditionally. It used to be that the left was more willing to destroy gender roles that were bad for both sexes. Recently they only focus on gender roles that are bad for women.

I switched to becoming conservative when Obama & Eric Holder told all universities in the US that in sexual misconduct cases they must abandon the "beyond a reasonable doubt", punish the accused before the investigation is through, and take away the right to confront the accuser in order to receive federal funding (which includes student loans that all universities need).

https://www.wsj.com/articles/punishment-without-evidence-on-campus-1465253334

Edit: want to clarify I am not a republican, just meant that i switched from being a democrat after I was falsely accused of rape and then realized that I had zero rights b/c of the democratic parties fear mongering about "rape culture"

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Both groups are idiots. Their own names reports their bias. There should be an equality group. For men and woman.

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Was disappointed the film did not have more official stats and relied heavily on opinion for most of the debate.

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Not necessarily. Humans aren't completely rational. You can bombard them with facts and it will do nothing as old beliefs harden and repel new ideas. One way to get around that is to humanize the new idea and make it sympathetic. That opens people up to the facts.

For example, one of the striking features of the movie is that the feminists interviewed routinely mischaracterized MRM claims or downplayed suffering as unimportant. To see how a guy's life was ruined by some policy, and then feminists saying "lol whatever" is powerful in a way merely citing a fact won't be.

Put another way, modern left-wing ideology is founded on oppressor-oppressed dyadic relationships. In sexism discussions, this means male - oppressor and female - oppressed. Everything has to be filtered through that analysis. Men's suffering is their own fault because men are oppressive. The point of narrative is to interrupt that analysis. Seeing a man be powerless relative to the system, or be victimized in some way by a woman makes the standard analysis seem lacking. The goal is to get the viewer to recognize that reality is more complicated than the simplistic analysis feminism offers.

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I think that with the rate of Swedish asylum seekers to by happenstance or just willfully to stay on benefits, that your notion there doesn't necessarily make any sense. A reform of the asylum system would be the rational choice for a Swedish anti-statist.

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That's a fairly piss-poor comparison to make.

Wage differentials between positions and professions are a naturally occurring phenomenon that arises because of differences in responsibilities, hours, risk, knowledge, experience, etc. Feminists are nut jobs because they rally against this as if it was deliberately planned by a conspiracy of white men.

People making laws that criminalize consumers but not producers because of the perception that there might be victims among the producers are a completely artificial construct and are far more applicable to the "people conspiring", especially since the entire goal of these laws appears to be to solidify the idea that women working in the sex trades are essentially all victims. (Because even if somebody was kidnapped and forced to work as a prostitute you can still arrest the producer... it's just that the producer wasn't the product.)

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This seems to be a common misconception about Sweden lately. Its not nearly as bad as the international media wants you to think. You know how the media always likes to take something minor that sounds bad and then turn it into something extreme for clicks. Like how the media tries to make America look like guncrazed obese illiterates, you and me both know that's obviously not the case. Same goes for news claiming that Sweden is overrun by feminists and muslims because they happen to be the loudest.

Don't get me wrong though, i'm probably the first one in line calling for a drastic change regarding Swedens immigration policy and pandering towards women, i'm often here voicing my opinion about how bad things are in Sweden compared to Before, but its not even close to as bad as some of you seem to think.

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I live in Sweden as a non-national. You may not think it's bad, but Sweden has a couple of characteristics that make it vulnerable to dogma.

For one, it has no real national identity. That leads to Swedes being open to importing foreign ideas, such as American "rape culture", and similar ideology spouted by Black Lives Matter and neo-marxists in general.

Second, Swedes are good people, in a naive kind of way. That makes them vulnerable to wanting to virtue signal, or tolerate intolerance.

Sweden also has a strong pro-nanny government attitude. This can be witnessed in almost universal support for the appartment queues, Systembolaget, etc. That makes nationals unlikely to question government decisions that are made on ethical grounds.

And lastly, there is a strong protestant influence in Sweden. Ideas such as "don't think you're anything special", "you're on this earth to work and not complain" and "don't make waves" (summarised in jantelagen).

Combine all of these, and you get young people who completely and unquestioningly believe neo-marxist ideology in general and feminism, specifically. They can't think critically and are unwilling to discuss issues openly, because it's so important not to stick out and not to "create an awkward atmosphere" (dålig stämning).

They fully accept government decisions such as importing loads of uneducated muslim migrants (and Roma, for that matter), refusing to even discuss issues of integration because "think of their oppression". They don't voice concern when the feminist party wants to introduce a tax on men or a Title IX-like "consent law" (both direct US imports). They don't challenge the "wage gap" misconception (also imported from the US). They talk of the "patriarchy" and fully equate women's rights with feminism.

Even if Swedish society is nowhere near as unstable as American (conservative) media make it out to be, it is definitely vulnerable as a fertile breeding ground for dangerous ideas without being able to challenge them.

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questionable sources

To pick a few points from the movie:

Men comprise 93% of the prison population - U.S Federal Bureau of Prisons
Men receive criminal sentences that are 63% higher for the same crimes as women - Huffington Post
Men account for 92% of occupational deaths - US Bureau of Labor Statistics
Men taken less seriously when reporting sexual assault or domestic abuse - US Department of Justice
Men are more likely to be victims of spousal abuse when including non-physical abuse, even though nearly all shelters only cater to women and children - Center for Disease Control
Men commit suicide at a rate 3.5 times higher than women - Center for Disease Control
Men are less likely to get accepted to college, get lower grades, and are less likely to graduate - Pew Research Center, Standford University, US Census
Men comprise 84% of the homeless population - The Guardian
Men get treated unfairly during child custody disputes - St. John's University

These are the same types of "sources" the other side uses, when it is convenient to them. There's more there for anyone willing to do the research.

MRM itself is not a movement against women or feminism. It just inadvertently falls in opposition to the modern feminist movement because feminism either ignores or outright denies there are any issues facing men. Usually when a feminist is forced to accept an issue, it is dismissed as trivial and the answer to fixing it is to keep focusing on women's issues which in time will balance both sides, yet no information as to how or why is provided.

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The rest is demographic data that is not indicative of a systemic problem.

It's relevant because we often hear how black crime rates, as opposed to other races, demonstrate systematic unfairness in the legal system. And when every single possible variable is controlled for, men's criminal sentences are significantly longer. I don't see why bringing things up like this is and asking why is a problem.

Are fanatical feminists driving male suicide?

I think you fundamentally misunderstand the purpose of the movement, which is to bring to light ignored issues faced by men. I updated my previous post near end to explain why that is.

The fact that you dismiss my entire comment as just "demographic data" demonstrates why this movement is needed. Take for instance how we hear on a regular basis about how we need to fight the wage gap between women and men. We see it in the news, in TV and film, we hear it from our college professors, from the former president in speeches, in superbowl ads run by Fortune 500 companies--all this despite the gap resulting mostly from less time worked, not discrimination. Yet bringing up any disparity where men are legitimately not treated fairly immediately warrants "why do you need a movement for that?" I imagine you would never say the same for any issue facing women (honestly it would almost certainly result in a ban assuming it was on a feminist platform).

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That's an interesting video, but I don't see how it's in any way relevant to what we were talking about. It seems you came into this discussion assuming there is some great ulterior motive to this community.

Regardless, the MRM merely seeks parity between men and women, which is essentially the dictionary definition of feminism itself. It recognizes that while women may still be disadvantaged in certain ways (although a difficult case to make in the modern west), they also have strong movements working to rectify the problems, and men do not.

Is 'male' a minority, or an under represented demographic?

What does it matter if they're a minority or not if the judges always see women as better and "less evil" so get less jail time? Individuals can be disadvantaged male or not, as I already as I demonstrated in previous comments. Do you not accept the a man can be advantaged in one area and a women in another? And that it's okay to fight for both of these to be equal? Honestly you ignoring the the points made in this thread up to this point indicates to me that ideology is too strong and there's no point in discussing it any more. I'm no stranger to it, reminds me of debating Christians back in the day.

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I'm Swedish and actually wondering what you mean by making this statement.

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From what I've read online the only conclusion I can draw is that the Word "feminism" does not mean the same thing to the rest of the world as it does in Sweden.

In Sweden the word "feminism" is used to drive trough decisions regarding gender, because "feminism" in Sweden means that men and women should be on the same level regarding everything.

For example the draft has taken a comeback in Sweden. It used to be only men that had to do the basic training (9-11 months to become a soldier) but thanks to feminism this now includes women.

There's also some weird shit (which some people hate for some reason). For example, in a newspaper 10 years ago you'd be reading the newspaper and read an article regarding a robbery, with a detail like "the assailant has not yet been caught". In Swedish we always use the word HE for everything, making it sound like if only men commit crime. Direct translation would be "the robber-man is still on foot".

But a few years ago a new genderless word snook into Swedish vocabulary, "hen". It's hard to translate but imagine this: him, her, hem. "Hem" being the genderless word, as in "hem is still on foot" instead of "the robber-man is still on foot". Because even if a woman robs someone and escapes she would be called "robber-man".

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I know, I've too visited /r/shittumblrsays and watched numerous videos about "feminists" (SJW's) spouting bullshit.

We too have a party like that in Sweden, directly translated to "feministian initiativ" (I think). They only get like 5% of votes.

We Swede's know the difference between manhaters and real feminism.

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While we still have a conversation going I might as well add something that's been on my mind...

When Sweden gets called "the feminist capital of the world" (or the most PC country in the world, whatever) it always shines a bad light on Sweden.

That's why the point I want to get across is that this is positive for both sexes, and not something negative.

Take for example the current law on rape.

When it comes to women, it boils down to: A woman, put in a situation where she doesn't have a choice, gets forced to have sex.

Also, she has to say no to the man raping her in a way that he understands that she does not want to have sex.

Meanwhile, for men, the law states that a male is raped when something is inserted into him without his consent

Rape is very, very different here when the victim is a man instead of a woman.

This means that men who fuck sleeping women gets away without being charged without rape, because the victim (obviously wakes up during it) can say no, the rapist stops, and hasn't committed a crime.

A new law is being put in place, thanks to feminism. The new law is not based on the action (forcibly penetrering someone) but instead on the consent.

This makes it so that if a man has sex with a sleeping girl, it is still rape because she has not consented to having sex.

Guess what. This new law is genderless. The same thing will apply to women.

A woman can't touch/have sex with a sleeping man because he has not consented to it. He doesn't have to tell her before going to sleep "I don't want you to put something in my ass while I'm sleeping", because the new law on consent requires just that, consent.

If not for feminism (maybe I need to make a point that I mean Swedish feminism) then men wouldn't be able to get raped.

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I'll watch it. Not today, I'm currently on a fishing trip but you have my word I will in the future :)

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Read my other reply, please. It's only recently that I've read on /r/mensrights etc. And realised that "feminism" outside of Sweden means "women above men" instead of "men and women alike".

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Sweden, I have one question for you, What compelled you, to buy, let me say this again, buy, The Red Pill, on, wait for it, YouTube?

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David Attenborough Dave Chappelle Morgan Freeman Jon Bailey and so many more!

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Wow, that was a great country in many, if not more.

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Title	"The Red Pill" is the #1 best selling movie on YouTube in Sweden!
Author	03sje01
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Comments	274
Date	June 24, 2017 12:30 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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