TIL feminist play "The Vagina Monologues" celebrates the statutorily rape of a 13 year old girl by a 24-year-old woman, describing it as a "positive, healing experience" and a "good rape".

feedmecarrots · 2017-02-21T05:24:39+00:00

Why am I not surprised? From a feminist standpoint, they see only men as being able to rape.

William__F0ster · 2017-02-21T06:21:50+00:00

Outcry from the play's supporters resulted in Swope's being fired from the staff of The Hoya, before the piece was even run.

bluefootedpig · 2017-02-21T06:40:48+00:00

If I am not mistaken, the vagina monologues are taken from real interviews. It is not passing judgement on those women, merely retelling their stories.

I imagine they could have found others.

Imnotmrabut · 2017-02-21T09:35:23+00:00

For those met with demands of Proof:

1) The "Good Rape" line is from the 1998 Villard edition;

2) Full reference; Eve Ensler (1998). The Vagina Monologues. Villard. p. 75. ISBN 978-0-375-75052-6.

3) It can be verified on Google books

"I was only thirteen and she was twenty-four" Link To Page 75 Snippet View

"good rape then, a rape that turned by sorry-ass coochi snorcher into a kind of heaven"Link To Page 75 Snippet View

Ensler and her whole empire have been built upon hiding lesbian paedophilia and rape in plain sight.

Sheriff_Jibbers · 2017-02-21T13:16:24+00:00

yes a good rape, quite

iTzinmyblood · 2017-02-21T13:33:05+00:00

They ended up firing the guy who wrote an article against it...Wow is all I can say. This world sucks

BannedFromImzy · 2017-02-21T15:01:47+00:00

Outcry from the play's supporters resulted in Swope's being fired from the staff of The Hoya, before the piece was even run.

Swope is the guy who called out the rape apology.

ThePigmanAgain · 2017-02-21T09:33:12+00:00

Yet, funnily enough, nobody is refusing to publish Ensler's books!

Tmomp · 2017-02-21T12:08:42+00:00

Should we teach women not to rape?

... and not to be rape apologists?

GunsGermsAndSteel · 2017-02-21T13:33:21+00:00

I bet that somehow, a man is to blame even when an adult woman rapes a female child.

Nergaal · 2017-02-21T17:41:17+00:00

The relevant section:

Memories from 13: There’s this gorgeous 24-year-old woman in our neighborhood and I stare at her all the time. One day she invites me into her car. She asks me if I like to kiss boys, and I tell her I do not like that. Then she says she wants to show me something, and she leans over and kisses me so softly on the lips with her lips and then puts her tongue in my mouth. Wow. She asks me if I want to come over to her house, and then she kisses me again and tells me to relax, to feel it, to let our tongues feel it. She asks my mama if I can spend the night and my mother’s delighted that such a beautiful, successful woman has taken an interest in me.** I’m scared and I can’t wait. Her apartment’s fantastic. She’s got it hooked up. It’s the seventies, the beads, the fluffy pillows, the mood lights. I decide right there that I want to be a secretary like her when I grow up. She makes a vodka for herself and then she asks what I want to drink. I say the same as she’s 36 drinking and she says she doesn’t think my mama would like me drinking vodka. I say she probably wouldn’t like me kissing girls either, and the pretty lady makes me a drink. Then she changes into this chocolate satin teddy. She’s so beautiful. I always thought bulldaggers were ugly. I say “You look great,” and she says “So do you.” I say “But I only have this white cotton bra and underpants.” Then she dresses me, slowly, in another satin teddy. It’s lavender like the first soft days of spring. The alcohol has gone to my head and I’m loose and ready. There’s a picture over her bed of a naked Black woman with a huge Afro. She gently and slowly lays me out on the bed and just our bodies rubbing makes me come. Then she does everything to me and my Coochi Snorcher that I always thought was nasty before, and wow. I’m so hot, so wild. She says, “Your vagina, untouched by man, smells so nice, so fresh, wish I could keep it that way forever.” I get crazy wild and then the phone rings and of course it’s my mama. I’m sure she knows; she catches me at everything. I’m breathing so heavy and I try to act normal when I get on the phone and she asks me, “What’s wrong with you, have you been running?” I say “No, Mama, exercising.” Then she tells the beautiful secretary to make sure I’m not around boys and the lady tells her, “Trust me, there’s no boys around here.” Afterwards the gorgeous lady teaches me everything about my Coochi Snorcher. She makes me play with myself in front of her and she teaches me all the different ways to give myself pleasure. She’s very thorough. She tells me to always know how to give myself pleasure so I’ll never need to rely on a man. In the morning I am worried that I’ve become a butch because I’m so in love with her. She laughs, but I never see her again. I realize later she was my surprising, unexpected and politically incorrect salvation. She transformed my sorry-ass Coochi Snorcher and raised it into a kind of heaven.

Nergaal · 2017-02-21T13:10:19+00:00

Ah, the good ol' days when Salon was criticizing "voices conforming to orthodox feminism."

poorpersonality · 2017-02-21T13:13:01+00:00

Where I live there was this influential Feminist, Atlas Saarikoski, who wrote a blog wheres she tried to inspire women to rape 14-year-olds. To turn them into lesbian Feminists or something. Perhaps she just liked it. She said that young girls are easy to manipulate so Feminists should try it.

I wrote to several people who should have been concerned about this and usually got no answer. Perhaps the best answer was from a woman who warned me against libeling her if I didn't want to end up in trouble. And I had sent a link to the text.

After that I just gave up. Fighting Feminists is very hard. I'm not sure why, but it is.

Nowadays she's the editor in chief of a Feminist magazine.

I'm totally convinced that Feminism is behind many rapes of young girls. And murders of boys and men, but that's another story.

Thuban · 2017-02-21T17:02:01+00:00

Also in that part of VM Ensler also claims (without exaggeration) that there are 700,000 rapes in the US per year. Stats for the year 2016 say 89,000 (still too many) and 3% of those are men.

source

DrippingHotButter · 2017-02-21T15:42:53+00:00

Triggered

HellhoundsOnMyTrail · 2017-02-21T15:44:02+00:00

I wonder what ever happened to Robert Swope

MrSmook · 2017-02-21T15:56:57+00:00

What the fuck is a "good rape"? :|

SolongStarbird · 2017-02-21T17:28:53+00:00

I actually read the wikipedia article. The event this thread title describes is in a monolgue entitled "The Little Coochie Snorcher That Could".... WTF?

ScienceAteMyKid · 2017-02-21T19:25:21+00:00

There's a vast difference between artistic expression in a play, however odious, and advocating a practice in real life.

ifelsedowhile · 2017-02-21T19:36:38+00:00

still not sure how Milo personally considering his statutory rape at 13 as good makes him a pedophile or a pedo apologist. if I had a positive single experience with cocaine it's not like I'm encouraging, apologizing or advocating heavy drug use. I'm just stating/recalling my personal experience.

2017-02-22T17:29:47+00:00

FEMALE EMPOWERMENT YAAY

Rethgil · 2017-02-22T22:15:18+00:00

Shouldn't they be the first feminists to defend Milo then?

BruceCampbell123 · 2017-02-21T19:20:54+00:00

Outcry from the play's supporters resulted in Swope's being fired from the staff of The Hoya, before the piece was even run.

Fuck.

SKNK_Monk · 2017-02-21T09:41:07+00:00

Are we having a throwback day in this sub?

_kodz_ · 2017-02-21T13:14:35+00:00

/u/TheDevineJuan

kaluh_glarski · 2017-02-21T16:51:01+00:00

What in the fuck?

Knittingpasta · 2017-02-21T17:12:36+00:00

Well that's super messed up

2017-02-21T21:33:39+00:00

Reasons why I never at all wanted to see that play, besides its being a crude sycophantic piece of shit.

Darkbeshoy · 2017-02-21T21:58:24+00:00

"Criticism from feminists[edit] The Vagina Monologues has been criticized by some within the feminist movement, including pro-sex feminists and individualist feminists.[14] Sex-positive feminist Betty Dodson, author of several books about female sexuality, saw the play as having a narrow and restrictive view of sexuality.[15] Individualist feminist Wendy McElroy stated that the play "equates men with 'the enemy' – heterosexual love with violence".[16][17] McElroy also identified problems with the work's lesbian bias, stating "A play that claims to unveil the truth about vaginas but, somehow, overlooks the salutary role men play in most women's sexuality has no credibility."[18]"

Huh.

2017-02-21T22:48:03+00:00

They also changed the girl's age to sixteen. Then future editions omitted that skit altogether. Caught with their pants down, they scrambled to save face.

kutuup1989 · 2017-02-21T23:52:00+00:00

Isn't it one of the least popular stage shows ever produced, though? I don't think I've ever met someone who had seen it and thought it was good. Then again, in my experience very few people have seen it.

I think it's seen more widely as a deliberately provocative heap of trash with little substance. I don't think any theatre near me has ever agreed to have it performed.

I think ultimately the solution is to get a bunch of guys together to put on a show called The Dick Diaries. 90 minutes of nothing but discussion of dicks and all things dick related. Throw in a little segment on anecdotes of illegal things people have done with their dicks and dick paraphernalia and you have the complete package! We'd have a smash hit on our hands...

...Apparently.

icecoldpopsicle · 2017-02-21T12:54:08+00:00

Yeah because modern feminism is a tribal movement, pro female, anti male. That simple really. It's not pro victims. A stronger female > weaker one.

Tyz3 · 2017-02-22T00:23:27+00:00

This is the sub where everyone hates feminism? It should be worth mentioning that the play got much critique from other feminists aswell. From the same wikipedia page: The Vagina Monologues has been criticized by some within the feminist movement, including pro-sex feminists and individualist feminists.[14] Sex-positive feminist Betty Dodson, author of several books about female sexuality, saw the play as having a narrow and restrictive view of sexuality.[15] Individualist feminist Wendy McElroy stated that the play "equates men with 'the enemy' – heterosexual love with violence".[16][17] McElroy also identified problems with the work's lesbian bias, stating "A play that claims to unveil the truth about vaginas but, somehow, overlooks the salutary role men play in most women's sexuality has no credibility."

Stop trying to portray all feminists like men-hating idiots. They exist, but they are not in majority. It's like saying all muslims are terrorists and we all know that isnt true.. right?

Bad_Idea_Hat · 2017-02-21T15:40:59+00:00

G'morning, NAMBLA apologists.

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