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That's a surprise now?

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April 23, 2015
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Date April 23, 2015 1:24 AM UTC
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[–]KingAchelexus 171 points172 points173 points 11 years ago* (13 children) | Copy Link

Interesting, we vilify men for saying "no"(faggot, loser, virgin, 'haha what are you gay?', etc), but we also vilify men for saying "yes".

[–]MonkeyCB 95 points96 points97 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Gotta cover your bases, don't want any of those pigs, loser, virgin, faggots slipping through.

Also, the "all men are pigs" or "all men care about is sex" usually comes from sluts who fuck for free in order to keep guys out of their league around. When they start charging (read relationship), the guys naturally leave. After a few of these experiences, sluts come to the conclusion that the only thing men care about is sex. Not realizing that the only thing that kept these guys around was free sex.

[–]Tomppeli 9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's probably the core experience about men for many feminist and other misandrists.

[–]Tmomp 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Not realizing that the only thing that kept these guys around was free sex.

I propose changing "free sex" to "not treating sex like a commodity." That phrasing points to a change in how you look at sex.

[–]MonkeyCB 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But they were treating it as such. They were trading free sex for a future relationship. It's why they're so angry in the first place, they never got their "reward". Otherwise if the women were in it just for the sex, why complain in the first place?

[–]konoplya 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

well said

[–]thedoze 20 points21 points22 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

wouldnt want to encourage a guy to feel good about themselves.

1 kind word = 1000 rapes.

[–]ThePedanticCynic 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You dare imply a man is not an infinite rapist?

[–]ExpendableOne 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You can tell by the way most of those men react that they have no real clue how they should react, because there's no right answer either way. If they show any kind of hesitation, or fear/inexperience, they risk losing the opportunity, being called a faggot or a meek loser. If they are too eager, they risk getting called virgins or desperate losers. If they act cool and accept the proposition, they might risk being called a pig, a creep and an exploiter of women(maybe even a sexual predator).

[–]RemCogito 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

To be honest if I were propositioned like that I would probably say something like. Can we grab a coffee first? I don't want to stick it in insanity Wolf or anything.

[–]Peter_Principle_ 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If I were presented with that situation, my first thought would be Badger Game. If an offer is too good to be true...

[–]Kestyr 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can't call a women trashy for going up to strangers like that as that's sex shaming

[–]jb_trp 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting, we vilify men for saying "no"(faggot, loser, virgin, 'haha what are you gay?', etc), but we also vilify men for saying "yes".

Might as well say yes.

[–]WhoIsHarlequin 486 points487 points488 points 11 years ago (32 children) | Copy Link

Why would they be pigs if they accepted? Two adults agreeing upon consensual sex. This is actual slut shaming.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 363 points364 points365 points 11 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

A woman consents to have sex. The man says yes.

Clearly the man is in the wrong.

[–]WhoIsHarlequin 102 points103 points104 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Clearly.

[–]Jazzeki 71 points72 points73 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

obviously.

the man should have contacted her dad/husband/boyfriend/brother/uncle or at the very least nearest male police officer.

can't let women go around making choices they'll regret later.

[–]seekfear 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But the man rapped her if she regrets!

[–]bertreapot 13 points14 points15 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

this is how feminists think. even if the sex is consensual, the man is still at fault

[–]ThePedanticCynic 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This goes beyond consensual. This is sex initiated by the woman, and somehow the men are still the ones in the wrong.

[–]IcyTy 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, obviously we should have asked to get to know her better, women dictate the standards by which we should have sex.

[–]timberwolves 40 points41 points42 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Philosophy aside, it just shows you how much women hate "player men" as much as men hate "whores". Even OTHER sluts usually don't like sluts.

[–]hugolp 51 points52 points53 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Women don't hate players, they just pretend to so they are not labeled as sluts.

[–]Nulono 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

*;

[–]IcyTy 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

More accurately I think women like the charismas players develope but want him to single-player game her.

[+]timberwolves -9 points-8 points-7 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No, you're wrong. It has a lot to do with the rage feminists have as to what appears to be against the more corrupt gender. A lot of the sex-negative feminists from the early 20th century came from this concept.

Men often hate women for also "exploiting" their sexuality.

[–]hugolp 21 points22 points23 points 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

You are assuming feminism is not rooted on female sexual strategy.

[–]timberwolves 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How?

[–]ametalshard 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

LOL women hate players? Oh god, that's hilarious. And 100% untrue in all my personal experience.

[–]StrawRedditor 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pretty fucked up isn't it?

They define: "Being a pig" in such a way that it's incredibly broad, and then use that to blanket all men as pigs. And then when I test my "hypothesis" I find out that even by my fucked definition, that most don't even apply.

Really goes to show how fucking warped their narrative is.

[–]cfcsvanberg 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The police have arrested a black youth.

[–]garybuseysawakening 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://vimeo.com/72381722

[–]jmg83 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course he is. Haven't you learned anything?

[–]emperorhirohito 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not even that. A woman propositions a man to have sex

[–]captain_craptain -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hahaha! Not disagreeing with you, I just thought that was quite funny.

[–]ExpendableOne 18 points19 points20 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Could you imagine if the title had been "Surprisingly, not all women are cheap sluts" or "Surprisingly, not all women are dirty whores". The elite daily would have been subject to a massive boycott, if not even threatened.

[–]tonygarycooper 46 points47 points48 points 11 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

There is no double standard for slut shaming. We all know a guy who thinks he's a player, but no one calls him that except himself. People refer to promiscuous guys as pigs, creeps, creepers, douchebags, assholes, etc. I'd say that these are just as hurtful as any "slut" or "whore" label.

edit: "ghoul" is another one

[–]Ultramegasaurus 41 points42 points43 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Promiscious men are also usually accused of "using" women. We hear "men feel entitled to sex" everywhere, the female equivalent "women feel entitled to commitment" is completely ignored.

[–]konoplya 24 points25 points26 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

yeah, i also like how they flip it and say that promiscuous women are just humans and have urges just like men and is nothing wrong with satisfying that. BUT if you're a guy and you want to satisfy those urges, you're a pig.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points21 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's because the more women you sleep with the less you'll be able to pay them afterwards(e.g. child support) and that provokes great anger.

[–]095179005 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Standard demonization of male sexuality. It's been constantly drilled into their (and our) heads that basically anything male is inherently evil.

[–]IcyTy 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think slut has become a lot less hurtful with time. We have the almost comical "sloot" making its way where it's clearly sarcastic and done in good humor. Not to mention applications of broad usage like Bridget Jones' "sluttish washing up".

'Whore' is also taken back when an embrace of sex work.

Ass/Creep/Creeper/Douche/Pig are far more hurtful and nowhere near positiveness as all the female terms.

I've been thinking we could get men to practise walking silently like ninja and take back creep/creeper on that basis.

"I'm a doucher not a douche" could rescue that if we embrace keeping a clean anus and talking about it comfortably.

Ass is already sort of on its way in a sexy/confident kinda way.

Not sure about 'pig'. 30 minute orgasms could be the key to taking it back.

[–]KnowsAboutMath 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why would they be pigs if they accepted?

Because then it would be a man having sex... and men having sex are gross and scary.

[–]Blutarg 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good question.

[–]Banana_Slut 78 points79 points80 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Men who have sex with women are pigs? Oink oink motherfuckers I guess.

[–]IcyTy 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Miss Piggy is more attractive than the majority of women. No chance of preggers, nice curls, felt may be machine-washable, talented actress, only have to compete with amphibians, a lot of pluses here.

[–]Roguta 58 points59 points60 points 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

They probably refused because they knew something was off. Women don't come up to you in the street and ask for sex. That simply doesn't happen. Empirical experience tells us to become instantly suspicious.

And even those 30% that agreed probably knew it was fake. They were just curious as to what was actually behind it.

[–]ivyleague481 12 points13 points14 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The asians couldn't be bothered with her shit. I like that.

[–]IcyTy 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Tired of being hassled, I basically ignored a girl who asked me out in HS since she was a total stranger so I felt confident it was a joke with her friends.

[–]mng20 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well yeah. I think most guys were worried about leaving with a parting gift...

[–]ztsmart 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Women don't come up to you in the street and ask for sex.

Speak for yourself, buddy

[–]Spysnakez 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I literally have to use elbow tactics right after I step out of the front door. They just keep on coming, they are like a zombie horde.

[–]ThePedanticCynic 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Right? I once turned a girl down who propositioned me on the street. True story.

Ok, i lied. We totally had sex. And i knew her. Because she was my girlfriend.

Otherwise, completely true.

[–]ztsmart 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I believe you. She did the same thing to me.

[–]ThePedanticCynic 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You and half of Virginia.

[–]ametalshard 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, it definitely happens. Just to a smaller percentage of guys.

[–]AKnightAlone 26 points27 points28 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

TIL you're a pig if you enjoy pleasure.

[–]ExpendableOne 9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

hedonist pig!

*unless you're a woman. Then it's fine because girls just want to have fun!

[–]Doomblaze 52 points53 points54 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

its like that 'Wow, were all so surprised when boys dont want to hit girls!" thing that happened recently

[–]Cee-Jay 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The cute Italian kids? I've really no reason to believe they would've hit another boy, if instructed to.

[–]L0gic1o1 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A lot of them gave the reason "Because she's a girl" for not hitting them

[–]scdi 20 points21 points22 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Their being pigs has nothing to do with it. They said no based on the very old rule 'if it appears too good to be true, it is'.

[–]PM_ME_UR_PLANTS 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

...and they were right. It was a setup.

[–]Caesar3890 19 points20 points21 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Woman asks 100 guys to have sex with her to prove how fucked up or not men are??

Really, wow. Chicks are crazy

[–]L0gic1o1 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The original video wasn't actually feminist propaganda, I watched it a while ago. It's pretty old, dunno why it's becoming a thing just now.

[–]Caesar3890 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah don't think its the video more than the comments after it

[–]L0gic1o1 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The original video wasn't actually feminist propaganda, I watched it a while ago. It's pretty old, dunno why it's becoming a thing just now.

[–]nowedger 14 points15 points16 points 11 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Elite Daily is known for having really dumbass feminist-friendly articles.

[+]ChicagoRunner -10 points-9 points-8 points 11 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Explain how this has anything to do with feminism

[–]MisterDamage 14 points15 points16 points 11 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

What other philosophy labels men "pigs" for consenting to sex?

[–]GodOfAThousandForms 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What other philosophy labels men "pigs" for consenting to sex?

I was about to answer christianity, but then I remembered that they usually calls us "fornicators".

[+]ChicagoRunner -12 points-11 points-10 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Point to one feminist author that labels a man as a pig for having obviously CONSENTUAL sex. This fucking subreddit sometimes

[–]MisterDamage 10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Kelly Bennett and Kelly Fox

How much time do you want me to spend pointing out all the fucking feminists who believe that men are pigs without even having consensual sex. The internet is overflowing with the evil that feminists peddle about men, you can't find that shit, you're not looking

[–]ChicagoRunner -3 points-2 points-1 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Feminists are all about creating a culture of consent. I don't know any feminists that would call a man a pig for having sex with a woman who ASKED. Jesus fucking christ, this subreddit is so delusional sometimes.

[–]MisterDamage 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Right, you don't know one so it doesn't exist. Ever met a quasar or a black hole? You saying they don't exist?

[–]ChicagoRunner -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This sub is fucking crazy. If there's anything feminists love, it's proper consent with sex. You guys are all circlejerking over a boogieman that doesn't exist.

[–]Zenodice5 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

☐ rekt ☐ not rekt ☑ TYRANNOSAURUSREKT

[–]mtersen 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ive had feminazis scream "ALL PIV SEX IS RAPE!"

[–]ulthrant82 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's garbage?

[–]goldmouthdawg 29 points30 points31 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

They actually did this for both sexes. The guy got absolutely zero yeses and a drink poured on him. The girl almost got arrested and asked if she was crazy multiple times. It was pretty interesting.

[–]TryingNotToBeSassy 9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Huh, then it seems most of the sexism comes from The Elite Daily or whoever titled it.

[–]goldmouthdawg 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup. Here's the youtube channel.

[–]ThePedanticCynic 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminists. Feminists titled it.

[–]yoduh4077 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Funny, you'd think the guy would have almost gotten arrested, not the girl.

[+]jmg83 11 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I'm a straight man who likes sex with women. That makes me a "pig", right?

[–]sallypug 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

and a rapist, unless of course you have signed papers stating consent..consent...consent written all over it. and even then, its a grey area now.

[–]jmg83 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Of course. I might have emotionally blackmailed her into wanting sex.

[–]sallypug 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

well, thats obviously what happened because women are not capable of carnal lust like us savages.

[–]slideforlife 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

what's wrong with having sex? is this some kind of guilt trip?

[–]Hateslayer 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I forgot that being attracted to women makes me a rapist, thanks! She looks worse than any dude, offering to fuck random people. I know as many females that would jump on the offer if it was a hot guy than I do males that would say yes to this so...fuck this experiment.

[–]culture13 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Here's the video...

http://youtu.be/QBtF3I7fDfU

[–]MittenMagick 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I originally viewed this as a sarcastic "Surprisingly", like if someone said, "Feminist displays her double standard. Shocker." It's not actually shocking, and the sarcastic "shocker" calls attention to it.

[–]yum_coke_zero 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Am I the only one who would actually be somewhat offended by a random stranger propositioning me like this? The "surprising" idea is totally offensive also, but I would be insulted by the idea that id have sex with any willing woman upon request. So bogus...

[–]MisterDamage 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm perfectly confident in predicting she did not have sex with any of the men who said yes. What offends me is deliberately toying with men's feelings with no intention of following through.

[–]L0gic1o1 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

They did the same thing gender-swapped.

[–]HeyZuesHChrist 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What was the reaction of the women who were asked?

[–]L0gic1o1 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

1 yes, 1 yes, it'll be 50 bucks.

[–]GodOfAThousandForms 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So if a man that's not in a relationship agree to have sex with a woman he is a pig?

[–]PerniciousOne 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Based upon this, attractive women have it 30x easier when it comes up to strangers asking them for sex. When they had the same experiment using an attractive male only one woman said yes, and one prostitute said yes.

I am surprised that this number is this high as many men should be wary of the honey pot, heck she could just take him somewhere and murder him, with very little effort.

For men to have the same levels of success they need to be famous, or show signs of extreme wealth. Men who do not have these things have to work much harder to get anywhere close to these levels of success.

[–]GodOfAThousandForms 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

only one woman said yes, and one prostitute said yes.

Wasn't the prostitute female? If she was it should be "only two women, one of them a prostitute, said yes".

[–]thekarateguy 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This has only happened to me once in my life. It wasn't a sting like in this video either. She didn't come out and say "do you want to have sex with me" but she was very forward and very overt.

I was 19, she was close to 50. And with her 4 male "friends" standing in the background it was seriously creepy.

[–]Vance87 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No joke, they were probably gonna jump you.

[–]thekarateguy 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've got a decent sense for potentially violent situations and while that one had all the hallmarks, I more or less got this creepy "domme/sub" vibe from the group of them.

You're probably right, though. I'll never know for sure, though, since I wasn't fool enough to follow her.

[–]DownVoteSoldier 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

To me this would seem like a strange prostitution scheme.

[–]belil569 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How does it make a man a pig to accept an offer made of her own free will.

[–]8088XT8BIT 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Give them what they want ... Pig .. Don't give them what they want .. Pig. Heads feminist win, tails men lose.

Ruined Lives ... http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/mallorymillett/marxist-

Behind Feminism ... http://www.martinlutherking.org/ma-chapter18.html

”All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman.” – Catharine MacKinnon, Marxist, professor of law at the University of Michigan

”All men are rapists and that’s all they are.” – Marilyn French, advisor to Al Gore’s presidential campaign, assistant professor of English at the College of the Holy Cross in Massachusetts

”Marriage as an institution developed from rape as a practice.” – Andrea Dworkin, feminist author, homosexual activist, former prostitute.

”The nuclear family must be destroyed… Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process.” – Linda Gordon, Professor of the Humanities at New York University, appointed to the National Advisory Council on Violence Against Women during the Clinton administration .. (Need more?)

Great Women On Marriage ... Alas, when people complain of men not marrying (even they who are able), they forget how little women offer in exchange for all they get by marriage. Girls are so seldom taught to be of any use whatever to a man that I am only astonished at the numbers of men who do marry! [ed: we all are, mary.] Many girls do not even try to be agreeable to look at, much less to live with. They forget how numerous they are, and the small absolute need men have of wives; but, nevertheless, men do still marry, and would oftener marry could they find mates – women who are either helpful to them, or amusing, or pleasing to their eye. –The Art of Beauty by Mary Eliza Haweis, published in 1878.

[–]tonobux 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Surprisingly some were gay

[–]Nezoula 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And! Wait for it.... he's in a fraternity!

[–]ThePigmanAgain 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, i'm a pig whether i say "yes" or "no," but why would i be more of a pig if i said "yes" to such a proposal?

[–]kickinwayne45 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body." 1 Cor 6:18 bro. You can see it on half their faces like, "I'm outta here"

[–]JackBinimbul 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But this chick isn't a pig for asking 100 strangers to bang her? Kay...

[–]L0gic1o1 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Shockingly, not all blacks are thugs.

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