Is this really something everyone should worry about?

kkeenn123 · 2013-03-13T23:38:54+00:00

Just because there are more men than women does not mean the movie is sexist. How many male idiots are there in Disney movies? The guys who are absolutely useless and make constant mistakes? Tons. How many of those kinds of characters are women? Practically none.

Mundokiir · 2013-03-13T23:38:39+00:00

I wonder where these statistics actually came from... Is this just # of characters? Screen time? What? Makes a huge difference.

AnnArchist · 2013-03-13T23:42:48+00:00

Mulan and Pocahontas are females. . ..

typhonblue · 2013-03-14T00:36:16+00:00

Yeah! I mean, look at the average plantation. There are tons more black people on it then white people.

Dare I say it... RACISM!

2013-03-14T01:25:29+00:00

Where are the movies that focus on strong female leads like Brave, Tangled and the other's? Somehow I feel like this was cherry picked and therefor cannot be relied on as evidence of anything.

themountaingoat · 2013-03-14T05:21:46+00:00

If you aren't allowed to portray violence against women or to portray women as evil or useless you don't have many types of characters that they can still play.

NemosHero · 2013-03-13T23:44:02+00:00

If we are supposed to disregard sex and see people as who they are rather than the (unseen) genitalia between their legs, what does it matter?

superstubb · 2013-03-14T00:49:11+00:00

Talk about looking for problems where there are none. Jesus.

Isn't the main protagonist in the bulk of these films female? Aren't a large chunk of these films named for the women who are the main character? When you go to Disney World, do you see Prince Charming's Castle or Cinderella's Castle? And how did it get to be her castle anyway? I'm pretty sure it was in the royal family's possession before she went to the ball. Did she win it in the divorce? That gold digging bitch loses a shoe and gains a fucking castle? Why are we even thinking this hard about it?

2013-03-14T01:34:54+00:00

They cherry picked for a desirable outcome. How do they explain the disney princess franchise?

danredux · 2013-03-13T23:51:15+00:00

People forget that Disney is a company creating art. They have absolutely zero obligation to try and create an even split in gender, race, or anything else.

This holds true for fiction books, paintings, video games, and television. They are expressions of speech, thoughts and opinions. They are ALLOWED to do and say anything they want, until it reaches slander.

This is the most important thing that the public forgets. Sure, I see it, women are sexualized on tv, under-represented in media, etc. The solution? Go make shows, movies, books and video games with women in it. Not whining about it and making all these statistics about it.

Thievishmetal69 · 2013-03-14T01:00:13+00:00

More males in disney movies equals oppression obviously...despite most movies being about/catering to a spoiled princess.

luxury_banana · 2013-03-14T01:00:55+00:00

What these things tend to neglect to mention is of course is that most of the male characters are set pieces or cannon fodder in entertainment.

muchachomalo · 2013-03-14T07:12:49+00:00

Did they count the bitches in 101 Dalmatians? I know there were a ton of bitches in that movie.

Faryshta · 2013-03-14T01:23:13+00:00

that look totaly made on the spot statistics.

Valsartan · 2013-03-14T06:09:19+00:00

The problem with these kinds of charts is that they're a blatant attempt to get a rise out of someone (usually feminists and do-nothing mothers that get the idea to break down the proverbial doors of Disney and demand more female characters.)

I mean, if we really wanted to make arbitrary charts all day long, I could make some about how few black people are in Disney movies. Ever notice how few black people are depicted as royalty in Disney movies? Not only are they sexist, they're also racist! And how about the number of LGBT characters? Why can't there be a transgendered hero in a Disney flick? Why can't the Princess be saved by a lesbian hero? That would certainly bring up the number of female characters in these films, now wouldn't it?

Drop_ · 2013-03-14T07:37:58+00:00

They left out so many Walt Disney Studios movies that revovle around females:

The Princess and the Frog
Lilo and Stitch
Tangled
Brave

CACKENBOOLS · 2013-03-14T14:51:27+00:00

Women also might prefer it. This is anecdotal, but I enjoy porn with women in it.

If these movies are sexist, it is by reinforcing the princess stereotype if anything. There has to be at least one bumbling idiot to lick each heel.

DavidByron · 2013-03-14T17:37:14+00:00

It shows the sexism against men as those high male numbers are there because all the generic bad guys in movies have to be male.

memymineown · 2013-03-13T23:57:28+00:00

I don't even know what this graphic is supposed to mean.

Always_Doubtful · 2013-03-14T04:44:43+00:00

If girls are underrepresented then why did Disney buy Marvel and Lucas Arts ?

Alot of things Disney does is targeted at girls.

Purpledrank · 2013-03-14T05:36:51+00:00

I think I get it. It's evidence that there is systematic oppression of women starting at a young age. Some men in charge at Disney set this all up so that 20 years from now the women who grow up would be subservient to their will. This is what happens when you put 25% more male characters in a Disney movie.

C0CKPUNCHER · 2013-03-14T07:13:33+00:00

The only solution is for women to start making movies. There isn't actually anything stopping them.

Bla34112 · 2013-03-14T11:00:03+00:00

Maybe.

It's this old:

Men - Actor

Woman - Reactor

dychonomy.

jack_gats · 2013-03-14T12:00:19+00:00

The way they use figures! Even if the figures were correct, they prove nothing. If and when women have over 50% representation in making the movies, they will contrive to announce that less than 50% of the public seeing the movies were women. This will only end the day feminism ends.

nigglereddit · 2013-03-14T12:39:54+00:00

This is based on the idea that girls can't do the same things as guys, therefore guys on screen can't be role models for them.

This isn't true and is fundamentally sexist.

almightybob1 · 2013-03-14T16:25:30+00:00

Villains in the same 20 films

Data

Beauty and the Beast - male villain (Gaston)

Aladdin - male villain (Jafar)

Lion King - male villain (Scar)

Pocahontas - male villain (Governor Ratcliffe)

Toy Story - male villain (Sid)

101 Dalmatians - female villain (Cruella De Vil)

Hercules - male villain (Hades)

Mulan - male villain (Shan Yu)

Toy Story 2 - male villains (Al and Stinky Pete the Prospector)

Emperor's New Groove - female villain (Yzma)

Monsters Inc - male villains (Randall and Waternoose)

Finding Nemo - male villain (Dr Sherman)

The Incredibles - male villain (Syndrome)

Chicken Little - female villains (Foxy Loxy and Goosey Loosey)

Cars - male villain (Chick Hicks)

Ratatouille - male villain (Anton Ego) (NB: turns good)

Wall-E - genderless villain (Auto)

Toy Story 3 - male villain (Lotso)

Cars 2 - male villain (Miles Axlerod)

Wreck-It Ralph - male villain (King Candy)

Analysis

Villains by film: male 16/20 = 80%, female 3/20 = 15%

By total villains: male 18/23 = 78%, female 4/23 = 17%

Conclusion

Disney films are teaching children to fear and hate men more than women.

NoGardE · 2013-03-14T16:53:50+00:00

There is something to this, though. In story-writing, your "default" character will be a white dude, or act like a white dude when you're not dealing with humans. The deviation from that default is what makes a character interesting or unique, i.e. I make a character a woman, or black, or sickly, which means I can rely on people bringing some expectations about the character which they wouldn't have if they were "normal."

Alopixgg · 2013-03-15T01:43:30+00:00

It would be interesting to see this broken down further by character archetype/role. Bet you any money more males cast in demeaning roles such as "dopey sidekick", "meathead goon", "flamboyant pompous arse", etc. while hardly any women are cast as such

CaptainVanderdecken · 2013-03-14T04:14:38+00:00

MRA Forum discussing children's animated cartoons. Guys, get a grip.

Title	Is this really something everyone should worry about?
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Date	March 13, 2013 11:33 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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Villains in the same 20 films

Data

Analysis

Conclusion